The Americanization of European Shopping
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- Everyone knows about the shopping experience in North America. The large, boxy building, usually dominated by a single massive corporation like Target, Walmart or CostCo. This building is located next to a large, busy road, or preferably, next to a highway exit, surrounded by a Pacific Ocean of parking.This phenomenon started after the second world War in North America, but unfortunately, it has spread to other parts of the world. In this video, we'll visit 2 American style suburban developments in my city of Prague, Czech Republic.
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0:00 Intro
0:42 American-style shopping in Velká Chuchle
3:14 American-style shopping in Zličín
6:59 A better way to shop
8:27 Bloopers
#zlicin #mall #prague
Are you just an urban design enthusiast or are you an urban planning/ civil engineering student? These videos are very nicely done and they have a high level of professionalism
Currently, I'm just an enthusiast, but I'm planning to go to college for it this year!
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I've visited the Westbahnhof IKEA and the shopping experience is much better. +I also got a Blåhaj 🦈
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W Blåhaj enjoyer
The Westbahnhof IKEA has a publicly accessible roof as well and It's the best thing ever! Definitely recommend visiting it!
I definitely will if I visit Vienna again
I live near North Greenwich in London. It's a truly bizarre area. It's where they built the Millennium Dome which is now a shopping mall/concert hall, but it's surrounded by miles of car parks and a massive IKEA. When you take the bus to North Greenwich station, which is a connecting hub to the recently built Elizabeth Line, you spend about 5-10 minutes just driving through car parks and new luxury flat developments.
I guess they thought it would be a popular area because of the Millennium Dome (there's an art walk that follows the dome around the peninsula on that part of the Thames), but because of all the 'grey space' it feels really unpleasant to be in. For example, getting off at the train station bus stop and walking to the art walk covers a very short distance but requires crossing a very unintuitive section of road that doesn't feel safe. I also can't understand why anyone would want to move to the area, aside from the transport connections, because it's full of construction sites, has no convenient supermarkets (aside from maybe in the shopping centre in the Dome?) and all the parks are bland and terraformed and surrounded by main roads.
Yeah, car dependent infrastructure is really shit to exist in outside of a car, we as a society really shouldn't build these places everywhere
Rather there than in the shoebox towers near Excel and London City airport across the Thames.
People always look at me funny in the metro whenever I'm bringing home a big piece of furniture by hand. I always enjoy those 1km walks to the Černý most metro station from Ikea with something heavy above my head. It's a great workout, especially up those long stairs.
As someone who dragged lots of computer equipment from the Alza in Holešovice to the Vltavská metro station on foot, I definitely relate haha
You can take a rug on a bus in London so I found, but not a brand new unopened can of paint!
@@TheTramly why don't you order it to be sent to your home?
@@yokeprg because I wanted to save money on shipping, I was running on quite a tight budget haha
1:47 that transition was nice!
Thank you! I wanted to try something new, and it really worked out!
Dear Europe,
Please stop while you’re ahead. Don’t do this. It’s not worth it! Build for pedestrians! Abandon the personal car!
Thank you,
Canada
fully agreed, please, don't do this Europe!
As a Praha Východ citizen, I am used to shopping in the Černý Most area, and in my opinion, it's kinda ok to shop at without a car. The incoming buses from the "general Vidlákov" region stop on both sides of the "highway that is a continuation of Náchodská", so getting to Hornbach is possible without taking the long pedestrian bridge from the metro / bus terminal. But getting back isn't as easy, since you do have to cross the big road, but it is still "o-k"... The CČM(Černý Most shopping centre) is way better, since it is only about a 380 m long walk with one crossing and no parking lot (you just have to withstand the Č. Most transit hub and surroundings, which can be pretty uncanny)
And since the whole thing is ok from a pedestrians pov and it is about a 7km walk from my home, I sometimes walk one there or back, instead of taking the bus.(or bus + train)
Even though, I don't shop there too often, since the Lidl next to the Na Kovárně stop is closer, and I dont have to walk 2-3 Km next to the moto-hell that is Náchodská / or it takes less time by bus. (But sadly I haven't convinced the rest of my family to not go for the weekly Lidl trip by Bus instead of car, but I am trying, and I have made at least a bit of progress)
I'd like to hear your opinion on the Černý Most shopping area... Is it good, ok, or "tosidelasp*elnet**ole"(=Are u fing kidding me)...?
My opinion on Černý most and Centrum Černý Most is that they're better than Zličín, and Metropole Zličín, but not ideal
I absolutely hate Černý Most mall, everything is so far from each other. It's like 5 minutes walk from metro, but then for example from main enter to cinema city, it's another like 500 m walk inside of mall, it's crazy. How car peole and people with no car are completely differet worlds can be nicely shown on example of Černý Most when I had some meeting with someone there and he was going there by car and we were not able to find each other because he was talking about some enterance for cars which I've never seen and these people totaly don't realize that I really don't know where is some enterance from garages, how am I supposed to know that he means this enterance? It's ridiculous. 😀 Car people will never tell you anything clearly that you are sure what they mean, they are always stucked in their reality.
@@Pidalin Thankfully I never had to find / meet up with anyone, only had to do so in the transport terminal... But yeah it is true, I just haven't been there for about a month, so I have completely forgotten about how annoying it gets.. I mean, I do like to walk 25+ km distances, but not inside a shopping mall ( like I did when buying a freaking toothbrush, visiting 2 stores and getting 1500 steps just inside the mall... )
Nice video, if only more people would think about how much space is wasted and could imagine that things could be built differently. Unfortunately, we keep making this mistake in the Czech Republic, for example, the new shopping centre Aventin in Jihlava (built during COVID).
As a university student in Brno, I also noticed how terrible the accessibility of the Olympia shopping centre is for pedestrians/cyclists (one can say it is actually unreachable without using a car or bus), especially the Decathlon shop, which is separated from all the other shops by a highway and there is literally no way for a pedestrian to cross the highway...
You didn't mention that you can also get to Hornbach and friends by kayak.
That is the famous river is it not?
Jokes aside, not that far from me in London, you can actually turn up to a giant Supermarket on your narrowboat or canoe even, on the adjacent canal.
If you want to see what can be done with old abandoned american shopping centres, check out what Meow Wolf art collective has done in a few.
I can't wait for _this_ particular cultural phenomenon to cross the pond. There's hope yet!
They need to build a kayak-thru, they already have a drive-thru, why not haha
I think having shopping centres outside of the cities with parking lots makes sense. I don't live in a city and I'm grateful I don't have to drive into the city centre to get to those stores. I live in Slovenia, in the countryside. It's heavily urbanised and we do have public transport, but it's not time efficient and can't compete with cars. Students and retirees use public transport, everyone else who values their time drives cars. Ultimately I'm not against public transport, but it's certainly not for everyone. Ultimately, as a car driver I think parking lots and garages are a must have.
Great video. But I would like to add some points, not as criticism but rather just as addition and my point of view. You were right with the IKEA that it doesnt need such a huge parking space but I think the reason why the austrian one in Westbahnhof works is because it is in the city centre. That goes also with the Paládium. That is a shopping mall that many people use when they just pass by from work, tehy grab something and like half of the clients are tourists - without a car, moving mostly by public transport. So yea, it would be great to have that also in the city centre, but if you want to put these services in the suburbs I think going by car will still make much more sense. Thats the unfortunate nature of suburbs... :/ So I am not sure how this would work in the suburban areas like Zličín or Černý most or Chuchle. But I agree that the footprint of those buildings could be greatly reduced. OC Smíchov is a good example.
I agree that Palladium is probably impossible to build in the suburbs..
But still, we could make some great transit oriented development in place of those seas of asphalt and concrete, shopping in suburbia doesn't have to be the way it is now
Great video!
I still would like to add a couple of things that might be some food-for thought.
I actually think it's not that bad as development: growing cities tend to grow and usually grow along main roads, but from the video it appears to me that that's what I call "Interstitial growth" and it's usually close to cities and I consider it a level of magnitude better than a standard mall in the middle of no where just because it happens that it's on a crossroad of two regional main roads.
In the "interstitial growth" you have already a land that is criss-crossed by motorways and rail line junctions and the level of noise would be any way so high to make prohibitive to dedicate the area to residential use and too small for productive facilities.
This type of development can be ancillary and accessible via public transport to an existing or future residential area.
Great insights!
I mean, these developments along major roads are certainly better than building some mega-mall in the middle of nowhere, but it's still a shame that they promote more car use and general car-centrism..
@@TheTramly Thanks, I find also curious the case of Lidl that targets people that don't have spare money to spend on expensive groceries however they expect them to come by car, which is in most cases, the second largest expense a family may have in their lifetime, apart from their own house.
And by the way now it's literally hard to find a car below 20 000€ they are ridiculously depreciating too, few years ago my parents sold a 20 years old Toyota, fully functional and you would tell age of the car by the look, the official dealer did not even want to take it. We ended up selling it to a friend of mine, who has a used car dealer, for 200€.
supr video jako vždy! mě osobně vůbec nevadí Metropole Zličín, když nepotřebuju do Homeparku nebo Globusu (a tam teda fakt často nechodím). jediná věc která je trochu škoda je, že to je tak trochu z ruky z centra atd., ale alespoň to má blízko k metru 👍
Je pravda že tam aspoň je to metro a ty autobusy, určitě mnohem lepší než v Americe
stejně jsou podle mě Palladium nebo Nový Smíchov líp provedený obchodní centra
What are the steps that we can do as citizens to influence how new developments are being built?
I'd say we should vote for pro-transit and anti car dependency politicians, and that we should attend town hall meetings and advocate for less cars
There appears to be a frame rate mismatch in the render that is somewhat disconcerting. Maybe just stick to still images as much as possible.
It seems I fucked up during rendering, my bad...
I'll definitely watch out for it when making the next video!
Thanks for the reply. Making mistakes is just proof u are in deed a human.
I don't have a car, so I don't see all these massive shopping malls next to highway, sometimes when I travel with someone in a car and I see some place after years, I am always shocked by what they built there, such monsters. 😀
What really bothers me is that even shopping malls in cities (not next to highway) are totaly car centric and sometimes there is no even proper sidewalk so when you walk there, there is no way how to get there! You have to walk on road and at parking lot, it's totaly ridiculous, I think it should maybe even be illegal, some building norms should be installed to ban such desings because it's really not normal. Drivers are then angry that we block the way or jump in front of their cars, but what are we supposed to do? We still don't have teleportation unfortunately. 😀 Recently I visited a brand new Kaufland in Poděbrady, it's not far from train station, so I walked there and there is no way how to get there properly! You have to jump over cars, it's ridiculous.
BTW, you have KFC in Velká Chuchle? In such place where literally nothing is there except horse racing place? 😀 I have to revisit it after years.
These car-centric places should not be built in Prague, it's against our culture, these villagers who moved to Prague and politicians who moved here and developers and other naplaveniny are really damaging Prague by their planning, this is not natural in Prague and should not be natural. Unfortunately, I see growing trend of car-centrism in last years for some reason, I think it's directly connected to the fact hat more and more people from regions are moving to Prague and bring their car culture there.
On other hand, Palladium mall in center is very crowded (sometimes that crowded that you can't really go there) and pretty overpriced, so that's why people go to those far away malls. But in such case, I would go to Chodov wich is also above metro station and there are definitely more of such well accecible malls not literally in historical center.
I don't have a car either (even though I have a drivers license), so yeah, the growing car centric trend annoys me too
the growing car centrism trend is really shit for our cities, especially for those of us who can't or don't want to drive
and yes, the naplaveniny and just general boomer politicians (i mean, the mayor, Bohuslav Svoboda is literally 80 years old!) love to bring their 3-ton child crusher 4000s to the city, that's for sure
@mly I don't live in Prague anymore, I am vice versa naplavenina somewhere else, I live in a 3000 people town now and I am surprised that I see those massive american Fords F-450 and similar more and more often, it's some new weird trend. I guess that gas is still too cheap. 😀
@@TheTramly I am generally disapointed by how everything is complicated to do here, it's not even about money, it's about "this part of road has different owner, so sidewalk ends here and it is how it is, we can't do anything with that" but is it really that impossible to do something with that? Maybe they just don't care, they used their grants to build some their little side walk or bike path, so they have done and don't care that it leads nowhere.
Here in my littly city, they built a new nice sidewalk, how do you think it ended? People don't go to their garages and gargens anymore and they just let their cars on that sidewalk, I can't even tell you here how angry I am because of that, police should take all those cars and force them to pay for that, this is really not normal, they are that lazy, that they don't even properly park anymore, they just let it in front of their houses.
What if there will be a fire? They will be yelling that firefighters didn't save their houses, but how when they can't even get there because of their cars? This is really bad trend, I don't know what is wrong with people. Or maybe something is wrong with me, I don't know. 😀
@@Pidalin nah, there's nothing wrong with you, the bureaucracy and lack of political will is striking
if Prague, or any other city's government really wanted to, they could make their cities so, so much better, but they just don't...
WHY we should care would be a very important issue to cover. It’s not just that it’s inconvenient for people not in a car. Even people who drive in their car watch these videos so make the case to them too!
That's a good idea, I'll probably cover that in a future video
I'd hope that we all know by now...
@@JP_TaVeryMuch never assume our level of ignorance-we keep striving for higher!
@@ttopero
"A little learning is a dangerous thing."
A. Pope, poem title, (way, way back in) 1709 !
wait you should add czech subtitles
Sorry, but my comment will be in czech
Podívejte se na to, jak se třeba dostat do IKEi na Čerňáku-busem, který se neukazuje ani pořádně na idosu, nejde se tam pořádně ani dostat pěšky a ta jízda busem umí být zážitek
Nebo třeba brněnský globus (a Ikea)
Jednou jsem jela na jídlo do Globusu v Brně, ale pak jsem musela jít pěšky přes záhonky a po okraji rušné silnice bez chodníku, protože busy tam jezdili jen ve špičce
A upřímně pochybuju že někdo byl takový blázen a šel do brněnské Ikei pěšky
Nelíbí se mi to, musíte zdlouhavě googlit spoje a modlit se, aby Vám neujel bus zpátky, protože si nemůžete dovolit nakupovat v centru, kde ceny jsou o cca 5 Kč dražší a na větším nákupu se to pak propíše
Určitě to má svoje výhody a nevýhody, a souhlasím že nákupy ve více dostupných oblastech jsou většinou dražší
ale zase cena paliva a amortizace auta se do ty ceny nákupu taky docela promítne... takže oboje na svoje nevýhody
@@TheTramly nejsem vlastník auta a jsem pro, aby alespoň ve větších městech byla dostupnost těchto nákupní komplexů lepší než je teď, jak pěšky, tak více autobusů
Rozumím že na vesnici je auto nutnost, ale štve mě, že i na malých městech větší nákupní střediska jsou na okraji a pěšky těžko dostupné
Please use kilometers.
And the country is Czechia, not Czech Republic..
The country is both Czechia and Czech Republic, let it be the Krtečekstán if needed, I think we all udnerstand what he means in the video
@@davidp.3479 Czechia is shorter and simpler. Or do you constantly use the formal name for other countries as well?
Do you use Germany, Austria, Belgium and Spain; or Federal Republic of Germany, Republic of Austria, Kingdom of Belgium, and Kingdom of Spain? The answer is clear, no?
So why not use the normal name for Czechia?
@@PradedaCech
Chac'un à son gôut!
I'm a subject of His Majesty King Charles III in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
n I ain't got no probs wiv dat!
@@JP_TaVeryMuch meh..it's a Czech CZcams channel talking about Czechia. Nobody there uses miles, and the vast majority have no idea how long a mile is.
The video should probably be titled "The Americanization of European CZcams channels"!
@@PradedaCech ať si liďi používaj co chtěj, ne? mě osobní zní "Czechia" jako debilní název, takže se mu vyhýbám co nejvíc...
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