UPDATE: EW Hollywood Orchestrator has been updated to include a drag and drop MIDI feature to act as the MIDI export! Watch my update video here: czcams.com/video/-4ewJE0rjMM/video.html
Hey Robert - Great Videos Thank you! Unfortunately there is still a topic, that in chord changes all the subchannels Shopping to Recording the Mediadaten for the Single Instruments. Hoping EW has later an Update for this…
Ok I ran across this issue with East/West Hollywood Orchestrator using Cakewalk/Sonar. Here's my solution. Create a new midi track, then record the original chord track and Opus track to the new midi track. This creates a combined midi track with all notes. Then, [Process > RunCal > Split Channel to Tracks]. Alternately, Split Note to Tracks will separate all notes from every track in much the same way if you want to isolate individual notes instead.
Thank you for the video. Opus is exporting MIDI in real time to Logic Pro X. You failed to mention what version number you were able to configure 16 outs for OPUS. I only have 8 still. I'm running Version 1.3.9 which is the most recent.
@@kerose Hey Trey! Once Opus is all set, there should be a little button towards the bottom right side that basically lets you record/ export the midi into your daw. I’m thinking of doing a quick video to cover this soon 😄
@@RobertRodriguezMusic found. That’s awesome. But then I have to go and build out a separate set of instruments that is identical to what I was already doing in Orchestrator… hopefully they do something within orchestrator so you can build out a full track with one instance. Cumbersome.. or if you can save the instruments you have in opus as a multi output instrument. Then drag the midi out on to that??
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Thanks for the videos Robert, very helpful. Just subbed. I work on Logic Pro and I'm trying to decide whether to get the EW Opus + Orchestrator package. It looks very appealing but the issue of midi capture into Logic is a real concern. Have you heard of any other 3rd party midi export workarounds that would enable bringing the Opus engine data into Logic yet? Do you know if Scaler 2 would do it?
Hey Thank you so much! I've actually heard some people say to try Scaler 2 but I haven't tried it because everything I've seen so far really just affects the MIDI FX and not the the instrument's MIDI data. That said, I might just go for it and test it out myself! I've also seen MIDI FX Freeze recommended but that only captures the FX so it wouldn't really help in this situation unfortunately
@@RobertRodriguezMusic Thanks for the reply. Yes, if you find out it'll work, it'd be great if you could post it here. I'll do the same if I find a solution. I also have Suggester 12, and I've sent them off a note asking if it could be a solution. (And I just heard back, saying that unfortunately Suggester can't record the Midi input from a plug-in’s output.)
i have read somewhere they are working on that feature. But saying that Logic needs to have a recording ability I think is just bullshit because... stylus can also drag and drop Midi, so where is the problem to do it like that? I would buy it more for the sounds eventhough the orchestrator is nice, but I like composing my own sequences. But yeah it could speed some things up for sure if they manage to program it. (just ask spectrasonics how they did it haha!)
Another alternative is (if you're really determined to do this) is buy the cheapest version of Cubase (elements) and export the midi there and then re-import into logic, I tried the trial version of element and it works. Only a suggestion to those die hard folks who are determined to get this working. As for me I'll probably wait a bit longer to see if apple or East West do an update...then I'll probably get elements if I see no progress.
Haha that idea has definitely crossed my mind. I just don’t know if I’m that determined to do it. It could definitely work but if it starts to interrupt my workflow then it might not worth it. I’m probably gonna wait it out until there’s (hopefully) an update
I'm usually a fan of Logic! But this is really an instance where I wish I used another software at least as a backup! I'll have to look into Studio One some more
@@Epicator I've been a user since Ver 2.5 !!! I have always been able to record the MIDI of other instruments. I'm spoiled I guess !! LOL !! I would give the newest version(5.2) a shot for free for 30 days.You can use Your logic shortcuts also!!! I think once You "get Your Head around it"(won't take long!!!) You won't look back!! The routing is too easy.Watch some videos from the Presonus channel and You'll see what I mean.Good Luck!!
@@JakeEufil Go to the arranger window and add an instrument that You want to export.Now add another instrument track that You would like to export MIDI to.On the second (record) track, set the input for the instrument track to the first instrument output instead of a keyboard or other controller.Enable Record on the receiving track and play the first instrument while tracking that MIDI to the second instrument track.Hope this helps.
Looks like Opus might have accidentally reverted back to 9! This happened to me too. On their site, reach out to the customer support team and they’ll give easy step by step instructions to get the 16 stereo outputs again!
hey ROB, i had the same message , doesn't work with logic "but we are talking blabla ..." really desappoited ...may the team of logic will do something ... but it's really more complicated , cause when you change of logic version, you have to change of mac version etc etc .... no ending ...
Agreed, there’s so much on the back end of things that seems to make this more complicated but it wouldn’t be a problem if Logic just functioned like other DAWs and allowed us to create MIDI tracks. Now it’s just a lot of waiting to see who releases an update
Usually I’m happy with Logic! I’ll just have to use these workarounds until there’s a decent update! I do love the orchestrator though, even just to play around with
Usually I’m happy with Logic! I’ll just have to use these workarounds until there’s a decent update! I do love the orchestrator though, even just to play around with
That happened to me as well, all you need to do is reach out to the EW customer support and they can guide you through making it 16. For whatever reason it’s not automatic
If u could get that data, the orchestrator would graduate from being a sketch tool, to being a primary part of my work flow. Edit: never mind, drag and drop button added. Awesome!
why not use the looper or arpeggiator or record the pattern you want? more than this, these patterns make orchestral music sound like synth, it kills the whole effort for doing something fine
Thanks for this video . But I don't understand why E.W, as they worked with Sonuscore on this project, didn't use the option " recording midi" that is available in "the orchestra complete 2" ...???
Yes I got it ... but as I wrote, the complete orchestra 2 has the solution for any Daw... and the EW tech guy told me that it could be an option in a future version...
LightWing Studios yes for sure...'-)) here is the EW answer: " That may be coming in the future as a workaround if we can't get the Apple/Logic team to add the functionality - though this method is a little more elegant as in some DAWs you can Midi stem live out while playing rather than having to record then print from the engine "...
@@paazpad7522 If EW could just bypass a Logic update and roll a solution out themselves then that would be great! Of course, it would be ideal if Logic could just fix this on their end
@@RobertRodriguezMusic I use Divisimate for my orchestration tool. It needs 32 at least. Sad, but I have to use Reaper when I'm using Divisimate now...
@@RobertRodriguezMusic have you got a new version of Opus to get the 16 outputs? My (Diamond) v1.01 still only has 9 outputs. I've refreshed Installation Center but I don't have any new version of Opus available to me..... by the way great effort with the workaround! Man it seems like so much effort though. I'm still in shock that Apple would design the AU plugin format in a way that doesn't allow MIDI to output from a plugin. (as confirmed on Ableton Live page here help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209070189-Accessing-the-MIDI-output-of-a-VST-plug-in) I'm looking into maybe using Live Lite as a tool simply to get the MIDI out of Orchestrator then get it back into Logic. I don't really want to "move house" to another DAW! (edit: finding conflicting reports that AU specification *does* allow for MIDI out www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=539125 it's just not implemented in Logic. Maybe there is hope that Apple can add the feature to Logic, yet!)
@@newbreednet Thank you! Yeah, I asked EW where the 16!came from (Diamond or update) and it’s supposed to be an Opus update. What’s funny is that I don’t remember specifically downloading an update but I just saw that it said 16. If anything I’m assuming it’s a slower rollout? But yeah, the workaround is definitely an entire process but an option. At this point I think I’m more interested in working with the aux tracks as separate instruments and then editing midi in the engine itself
It's a bit of a kludge.....but you can record the audio from an Orchestrator playback on to an audio track in Ableton Live, then convert the audio clip to MIDI (harmony or melody). Once you do that you have the patterns, you just have to determine which instrument is playing that pattern and assign a new instrument to that pattern. Break out each pattern into it's own MIDI track and go to town!
UPDATE: EW Hollywood Orchestrator has been updated to include a drag and drop MIDI feature to act as the MIDI export!
Watch my update video here: czcams.com/video/-4ewJE0rjMM/video.html
Hey Robert - Great Videos Thank you!
Unfortunately there is still a topic, that in chord changes all the subchannels Shopping to Recording the Mediadaten for the Single Instruments. Hoping EW has later an Update for this…
Not Shopping, I mein Stoppsignal, can‘t change ist, sorry
WTF… autocorrection is making german words, I meant Stopping - sorry
Appreciate the in depth overview. Very informational!
Thanks man! I appreciate the kind words!
Ok I ran across this issue with East/West Hollywood Orchestrator using Cakewalk/Sonar. Here's my solution. Create a new midi track, then record the original chord track and Opus track to the new midi track. This creates a combined midi track with all notes. Then, [Process > RunCal > Split Channel to Tracks]. Alternately, Split Note to Tracks will separate all notes from every track in much the same way if you want to isolate individual notes instead.
Thank you for the video. Opus is exporting MIDI in real time to Logic Pro X. You failed to mention what version number you were able to configure 16 outs for OPUS. I only have 8 still. I'm running Version 1.3.9 which is the most recent.
That is absolutely insane for Logic users. God Bless Pro Tools and Studios One. :)
I’m honestly surprised! This seems like such a simple fix in Logic but I guess not?? Haha
UPDATE: EW Hollywood Orchestrator has been updated to include a drag and drop MIDI feature to act as the MIDI export!
Where? Can’t find that still
@@kerose Hey Trey! Once Opus is all set, there should be a little button towards the bottom right side that basically lets you record/ export the midi into your daw. I’m thinking of doing a quick video to cover this soon 😄
@@RobertRodriguezMusic got it !!!
@@RobertRodriguezMusic found. That’s awesome. But then I have to go and build out a separate set of instruments that is identical to what I was already doing in Orchestrator… hopefully they do something within orchestrator so you can build out a full track with one instance. Cumbersome.. or if you can save the instruments you have in opus as a multi output instrument. Then drag the midi out on to that??
A video would be very helpful x
Thank btw
Sad to see that you no longer monitor your channel. I KNOW that can be hard to do at times, but over the last 10 years I've managed to do that. No comment goes unnoticed. Those asking questions are answered, even when my video has been up for years, I still answer questions on all videos. You tube knows when our viewers ask questions. When we don't answer them, Google/CZcams lowers our position in search returns and suggested videos. It's a very common problem with channels, as I see it all the time. If you were getting thousands of questions monthly, I could understand. Cheers!
Thanks for the decade-strong wisdom! 🙌 You’ve got some solid points about engagement affecting algorithms. I do read comments and answer when I can, but for me, running this channel is more of a balancing act- it’s not a customer service desk. We may just have different experiences with our CZcams channels 😄
Thanks for the videos Robert, very helpful. Just subbed. I work on Logic Pro and I'm trying to decide whether to get the EW Opus + Orchestrator package. It looks very appealing but the issue of midi capture into Logic is a real concern. Have you heard of any other 3rd party midi export workarounds that would enable bringing the Opus engine data into Logic yet? Do you know if Scaler 2 would do it?
Hey Thank you so much! I've actually heard some people say to try Scaler 2 but I haven't tried it because everything I've seen so far really just affects the MIDI FX and not the the instrument's MIDI data. That said, I might just go for it and test it out myself! I've also seen MIDI FX Freeze recommended but that only captures the FX so it wouldn't really help in this situation unfortunately
@@RobertRodriguezMusic Thanks for the reply. Yes, if you find out it'll work, it'd be great if you could post it here. I'll do the same if I find a solution. I also have Suggester 12, and I've sent them off a note asking if it could be a solution. (And I just heard back, saying that unfortunately Suggester can't record the Midi input from a plug-in’s output.)
i have read somewhere they are working on that feature. But saying that Logic needs to have a recording ability I think is just bullshit because... stylus can also drag and drop Midi, so where is the problem to do it like that? I would buy it more for the sounds eventhough the orchestrator is nice, but I like composing my own sequences. But yeah it could speed some things up for sure if they manage to program it. (just ask spectrasonics how they did it haha!)
Another alternative is (if you're really determined to do this) is buy the cheapest version of Cubase (elements) and export the midi there and then re-import into logic, I tried the trial version of element and it works. Only a suggestion to those die hard folks who are determined to get this working. As for me I'll probably wait a bit longer to see if apple or East West do an update...then I'll probably get elements if I see no progress.
Haha that idea has definitely crossed my mind. I just don’t know if I’m that determined to do it. It could definitely work but if it starts to interrupt my workflow then it might not worth it. I’m probably gonna wait it out until there’s (hopefully) an update
Glad I use Studio One!!!!!
I'm usually a fan of Logic! But this is really an instance where I wish I used another software at least as a backup! I'll have to look into Studio One some more
I use logic for the past 10+ years and this gets on my nerves, interested in studio one, what version would allow me to get rid of this midi headache?
@@Epicator I've been a user since Ver 2.5 !!! I have always been able to record the MIDI of other instruments. I'm spoiled I guess !! LOL !! I would give the newest version(5.2) a shot for free for 30 days.You can use Your logic shortcuts also!!! I think once You "get Your Head around it"(won't take long!!!) You won't look back!! The routing is too easy.Watch some videos from the Presonus channel and You'll see what I mean.Good Luck!!
@@michaelkelly4055 Can you tell how you do to export midi in studio one please?! I'm using SO 4.5
@@JakeEufil Go to the arranger window and add an instrument that You want to export.Now add another instrument track that You would like to export MIDI to.On the second (record) track, set the input for the instrument track to the first instrument output instead of a keyboard or other controller.Enable Record on the receiving track and play the first instrument while tracking that MIDI to the second instrument track.Hope this helps.
I’ve updated and I still have only 9 stereo outs…
Looks like Opus might have accidentally reverted back to 9! This happened to me too. On their site, reach out to the customer support team and they’ll give easy step by step instructions to get the 16 stereo outputs again!
I was able to chat with support and they gave me directions on clearing the audio cache . That worked.
hey ROB, i had the same message , doesn't work with logic "but we are talking blabla ..." really desappoited ...may the team of logic will do something ... but it's really more complicated , cause when you change of logic version, you have to change of mac version etc etc .... no ending ...
Agreed, there’s so much on the back end of things that seems to make this more complicated but it wouldn’t be a problem if Logic just functioned like other DAWs and allowed us to create MIDI tracks. Now it’s just a lot of waiting to see who releases an update
Can't we use the IAC driver? I've used it on other plugin's where I wanted the midi data out on a separate MIDI track.
I am a happy Cubase guy but I do hope a solution will show up, Orchestrator is such a great toy!
Usually I’m happy with Logic! I’ll just have to use these workarounds until there’s a decent update! I do love the orchestrator though, even just to play around with
Usually I’m happy with Logic! I’ll just have to use these workarounds until there’s a decent update! I do love the orchestrator though, even just to play around with
That's weird cause as of today, I am looking and my Opus only goes up to 9. No 16..Hmm?
That happened to me as well, all you need to do is reach out to the EW customer support and they can guide you through making it 16. For whatever reason it’s not automatic
If u could get that data, the orchestrator would graduate from being a sketch tool, to being a primary part of my work flow. Edit: never mind, drag and drop button added. Awesome!
why not use the looper or arpeggiator or record the pattern you want? more than this, these patterns make orchestral music sound like synth, it kills the whole effort for doing something fine
Thanks for this video . But I don't understand why E.W, as they worked with Sonuscore on this project, didn't use the option " recording midi" that is available in "the orchestra complete 2" ...???
It's not an EW issue. It's a problem with Apple Logic.
Yes I got it ... but as I wrote, the complete orchestra 2 has the solution for any Daw... and the EW tech guy told me that it could be an option in a future version...
@@paazpad7522 It occurs to me EW DOES NOT want it's Orchestrator users running their MIDI outs to competitors VIs...at least right now. :)
LightWing Studios yes for sure...'-))
here is the EW answer: " That may be coming in the future as a workaround if we can't get the Apple/Logic team to add the functionality - though this method is a little more elegant as in some DAWs you can Midi stem live out while playing rather than having to record then print from the engine "...
@@paazpad7522 If EW could just bypass a Logic update and roll a solution out themselves then that would be great! Of course, it would be ideal if Logic could just fix this on their end
Just one of several features that Logic is missing. Seriously need more than 16 inputs!
Agreed! EastWest only provided 9 inputs so I’m actually happy they updated it to 16. But in general, 16 can easily feel like a limitation
@@RobertRodriguezMusic I use Divisimate for my orchestration tool. It needs 32 at least. Sad, but I have to use Reaper when I'm using Divisimate now...
@@RobertRodriguezMusic have you got a new version of Opus to get the 16 outputs? My (Diamond) v1.01 still only has 9 outputs. I've refreshed Installation Center but I don't have any new version of Opus available to me..... by the way great effort with the workaround! Man it seems like so much effort though. I'm still in shock that Apple would design the AU plugin format in a way that doesn't allow MIDI to output from a plugin. (as confirmed on Ableton Live page here help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209070189-Accessing-the-MIDI-output-of-a-VST-plug-in) I'm looking into maybe using Live Lite as a tool simply to get the MIDI out of Orchestrator then get it back into Logic. I don't really want to "move house" to another DAW! (edit: finding conflicting reports that AU specification *does* allow for MIDI out www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=539125 it's just not implemented in Logic. Maybe there is hope that Apple can add the feature to Logic, yet!)
@@newbreednet Thank you! Yeah, I asked EW where the 16!came from (Diamond or update) and it’s supposed to be an Opus update. What’s funny is that I don’t remember specifically downloading an update but I just saw that it said 16. If anything I’m assuming it’s a slower rollout?
But yeah, the workaround is definitely an entire process but an option. At this point I think I’m more interested in working with the aux tracks as separate instruments and then editing midi in the engine itself
@@RobertRodriguezMusic It's all very exciting! Best of luck and happy composing!
It's a bit of a kludge.....but you can record the audio from an Orchestrator playback on to an audio track in Ableton Live, then convert the audio clip to MIDI (harmony or melody). Once you do that you have the patterns, you just have to determine which instrument is playing that pattern and assign a new instrument to that pattern. Break out each pattern into it's own MIDI track and go to town!
Why build an instrument of this class and make it useless in the DAW. What is the point
they thankfully fixed it
Just use scaler 2 thank me later