IQSA Zoom Seminar #6 Ahmad al-Jallad, "Pre-Islamic Arabic inscriptions and Qur'anic orthographies"
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Check out the sixth installment in the series of IQSA Corona Qur’an Seminars on Zoom (#IQSAZoom), in which Ahmad al-Jallad (Ohio State University) presents on "Pre-Islamic Arabic inscriptions and Qur'anic orthographies."
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Thank you Dr. Ahmad Jalad for this amazing insight into pre-Islamic Arabian inscriptions, I am almost astound how the first two questioners were trying to link Quranic Revelation with Aramaic languages. :) and how beautifully Prof. Jalad negates and obliterated their false assumptions. secondly, to my humble understanding, the reason of deploying different denticle markers or spellings is simply to accommodate different Qureshi dialects of Arabic (لسان عربي مبين) in which Qur'an was revealed (a.k.a 7 Ahruf readings سبعة احرف ) for example i.e. تورـه or توراة , or ابرهم or ابراهيم so and so forth. consequently, these innovative writing style were deployed to precisely and competently preserve the reading of the Quranic Revelation for all audience. wa liAllahi al-Hamd. (All praise is to Almighty - Allah - Lord of All worlds)
But is it only qiraat? Isn't it weird to see quran affected by nebatian arabic instead of hijazi dialect?
Also isnt it weird that literally no scholar of Islam acknowledged this at all.. like they all suffered amnesia about the origins of the language? Yet they claim memory is so sharp they can transmit hadiths etc
@@worlddj1364 please provide reference to your assertions that Qur'an was affected by Nabatean dielect, before shooting arrows to the sky. قل هاتوا برهانكم ان كنتم صادقين
@@worlddj1364 sounds like you have very little to no knowledge of Arab History and their culture, if you do, uou wouldn't be making these claims, Arab has well documented their History, read Early Historians of Islam like -Alhamdani, Wahab bin Mumabih, they have all talked about the origin of Arabic language and its evolution / development throughout centuries. It's your ignorance that you don't know about it. Not my fault.
You sound upset by the first two questioners. Why? They were simply asking questions. Christoph Luxenburg's hypothesis is a valid question to enquire about. No need to be upset.
You sound like you get mad if anyone mentions anything that may contradict the standard Islamic narrative.
I enjoyed this presentation intellectually.
Thanks,informative.
....Prof.Dr.Nasir Fazal gold medalist Cambridge USA
ما شاء الله، جزاكم الله!
اقرؤوا في كتاب الاتقان في علوم القران للحافظ السيوطي و ستجدون هناك جزء فيه بعنوان "النوع السابع و الثلاثون فيما وقع فيه بغير لغة الحجاز" و ايضاً "النوع الثامن و الثلاثون فيما وقع فيه بغير لغة العرب", فعلماء المسلمين منذ البداية لم ينكروا احتواء القران علي كلمات غير قرشية او اعجمية او من لغات اخري و هذا من دلائل اعجاز القران و اثبات لتهافت اكاذيب المستشرقين بتلبيسهم بانهم اكتشفوا اشياء جديدة لم يعرفها علماء الاسلام و لم يناقشوها في كتبهم الضخمة سواء ما طبع منها او مازال مخطوطة
That's gibberish. All the proves has shown the quran is a heavily plagiarized book
Very illuminating discussion. Thank you.
A very interesting presentation by the competent Prof. Ahmed Al Jallad.
Nevertheless, the transition from the Pre-Islamic writing tradition to the Qur’anic orthography remains shrouded in mystery. How did that huge leap occur from the relatively primitive and almost ineligible writing system to the Qur’anic writing that seems to be relatively highly developed despite its shortcomings that have resulted in variant readings at a later stage.
Besides, the examples discussed in the presentation are limited to few cases.
Overall, it is a brilliant discussion. Many thanks to the speaker and the host.
لقد كدت ان ادمع لانني خطاط للحرف العربي ولولا خطوط الاولين لما علمنا شيئا عن هذا اللسان العظيم
Hello
For the T marbouta , luxenberg mostly suggest that it is a H ,, to be read as the armaic h ... the dots having been added later
In other terms when quran wants to write a T he writes it as nabira ت not as h with two dots.
Excellent!
Your description has answered the questions I've been asking for years.
It's now clear about the change in Arabic script & grammar.
Thank you !
This writing technique holds many secrets.
Please keep in mind that Allah conveys messages in the language of SIGNS. Arabic grammar is only used as a general intermediary. However, Allah's message goes beyond the Arabic Grammar. Only Allah can better explain this if He wills.
Luxenberg hypothesises that ayat is a wrong spellinh due to the later dots adding , the original word would be the aramaic word ata آث that has the same meaning ، wich mean the ي is in fact a ث
Wich makes the true inscription of بآيت as باـث bi'ata b-glotte-t
Super! I found a satisfactorily good answer for ya-heh contradiction. Thanks ☺️
The first arabic letters were found on a stone around 456 bce
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12:30 470ce earliest attestation to qur'anic script
How brilliant he is!!!. Philology is a real science. Some words in the Quran have been dotted and give different meaning to the original undotted scripts of some of the manuscripts of the Quran.
قال تعالى: إنّا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون
@@yeseenmeshleeah7359 لم يعد قادرا على حفظه او الحفاظ عليه. تفوق عليه علم الفيلولوجيا وتبين انه كان مكتوبا في السطور وليس محفوظا في الصدور. وأية تنسخ اية. والعجيب ان سورة التوبة الاخيرة تلخص نوايا القرآن من قتل ونزع الملكيات وتجريد المسلمين وغير المسلمين من اموالهم.
@@dakhla3254 الفيلولوجيا لم تبين أنه لم يكن في الصدور، والرواية التراثية لم تقل أنه لم يكن مكتوبا في السطور.. الله المستعان، كم أنت جاهل، خسارة الوقت الي أرد عليك فيه.
@@dakhla3254 حبيبي انت تنقل كلام من التراث في العصر العباسي لاناس كانت في بداية تكوين علوم او معارف لا يوجد نسخ في القران هذة اخطاء في التراث ولا علاقة لها بحقيقة التاريخ او القران ذاته و لو لم يحفظه الله دون وجود قواعد لغة و قواعد رسم قياسي للخط لضاع كما تقول هذا المنطق السليم فلم تكن هناك لحفظه سوى ارادة الله علم الاثار و الفيلولجيا تساعدنا على فهم ادق و احسن من التراث فلا تخلط بين الامور و تبني اعتقادك على معلومات غير محققة
@@ahmedamir4240 اقرؤوا في كتاب الاتقان في علوم القران للحافظ السيوطي و ستجدون هناك جزء فيه بعنوان "النوع السابع و الثلاثون فيما وقع فيه بغير لغة الحجاز" و ايضاً "النوع الثامن و الثلاثون فيما وقع فيه بغير لغة العرب", فعلماء المسلمين منذ البداية لم ينكروا احتواء القران علي كلمات غير قرشية او اعجمية او من لغات اخري و هذا من دلائل اعجاز القران و اثبات لتهافت اكاذيب المستشرقين بتلبيسهم بانهم اكتشفوا اشياء جديدة لم يعرفها علماء الاسلام و لم يناقشوها في كتبهم الضخمة سواء ما طبع منها او مازال مخطوطة
The ت مفتوحة was used intentionally by scribes to indicate a wider meaning - this ت is wider than ة so it means Gods mercy/ blessings are wider/infinite etc
Both ة and ت are Tā' / Taa' , there's no wider meaning at all, imposible!
The scribes never wrote a ة in quran , they wrote a ه , the dots were added later , there is no proof they ment a 't' sound , its most likely an aramaic ه to be pronounced 'é' as un the syrian and lebanese dialect تفاحه = تفاحي and not تفاحت and less likely تفاحتون with tanween and all that garbege that were added later to make quran sounds better تجويد
here today and noticed ONLY 3,640 views and 10 comments
how come you saw 3640 5 days before and I am seeing 3519 right now
17:15 Allah
این الترجمه العربیه ؟
Not ه but ة
برّ not بار.
its written br
we can see the word YAH, but since the scholar is a Muslim, he denies it
It would be interesting if you could give us the time stamp for your claim. But just for the record l Dr Gabriel Said Reynolds is in fact a Catholic
minute?
You are Asian; stick with your Buddhism.
are you sure he's muslim? has he mentioned that he is somewhere?
@@aliabassi8045Considering he's in a relationship with a man, I highly doubt he is a muslim