The biggest thing to happen in 3D Printing in 2024 will be...
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It's the end of 2023, and we can't deny this has been a crazy year in 3D Printing. What's coming up in 2024? Who knows? Let's talk about it.
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I picked up an x1c and I cant believe how easy it is.
I went from the printers are my hobby to the PRINTS are my hobby.
THIS is the way the market is moving. Essentially appliances. That will bring in the Creatives who have shunned 3D printing as we have known it since day one.. Finally, 3D Printing is growing up. As someone who has been 3D Printing since Rep Rap days I for one say "Hurrah!"
If it would "just print" then the customer support would not be so slammed. It practically none existed at this time. 3rd day and still no response to my ticket.
And for the $ k1 is a better investment.
I have x1c for a year now.
Same here. Bought an X1 and within a week I sold my two Qidi 3d Printers as I figured they'd lose most of their value because of the insane next level performance. Print quality is always good.
I only wish they could make the AMS work with TPU.
I am glad to hear this as I recently bought a Snapmaker J1 then bought an upgrade fan kit but failures and confusion outnumber successes by at least 4 to 1.Odd thing is, I had purchased a bambu P1s partially because of the AMC and partially because another customer told me his son had an Ender and was having lots of trouble so he bought him a bambu X1c and he loves it so I said to myself well maybe this is the way to go . I have no small children or needs to produce toys and gadgets just mostly intrigued with learning how to make things using my brain to design them. a week later I reurned it to the store unopened because I felt I would rather be learning in the trenches ,maybe I was wrong...Thanks, I have my IDEX J1 printer and I amwaiting for parts but perhaps I will pickup a bambu printer to make me feel better about 3D Printing Lol
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 i disagree, we have a k1 Max in house and the Bambu still makes the better print. we are looking to buy an X1E soon
There's already a standard for spool sizes. It's the DIN EN:ISO 544 standard for welding wire spools and many manufacturers use it.
Yea he means more manufactures will actually start following standards
i think the biggest advancement in resin will be in the resins themselves, more friendly ones for printing in the home that have less or no fumes, stronger resins on the cheap end, better filtration as standard on machines.
in terms of color printing i think for people that are more casually in the hobby, or just enjoy 3d printing like myself, but arent into finishing and sanding/painting prints, it will be a game changer. theres open source projects picking up steam and once universal kits come out, i think it will explode. im under the impression that most people who 3d print arent really into finishing the prints due to the extra space needed, the mess, and equipment required, while if a printer can just spitout a complex colored part, is a lot more appealing to the mass market. the roads already been paved this year. also the 3d printed "look" of having layers is a lot less of an eyesore on multi colored prints because of the detail colors give, with the clean lines between them. also, a lot of the market who would love to have a color changer dont really want to shell out the $1k+ it usually costs to get one, so a universal one that can work with budget printers would sell well i imagine, as most people in the hobby like printing in petg and pla, things that are relatively easy to print without needing an enclosure or worrying about fumes.
i mainly think this because currently 3d printers are employed more and more at schools where young people are getting a taste of it and learning the ropes, and will develop a love of the hobby, but not necessarily have the equipment to handle the more industrial filament types. i could be wrong but thats the fun part of guessing.
No fume smell is very different than no fumes. I’m worried that smell free, but still toxic to breathe, reasons will be developed.
like float32 said, no smell doesnt mean no cancer. Id much rather a very bad smelling resin to tell the user "hey make sure you vent me outside otherwise you'll get sick!", rather than a odorless resin that some idiot puts in their bedroom at night and sleeps to the carcinogenics in the air
@@float32 I've already seen this with people talking about water washable resins. Still hazardous.
Have you been living under a rock? You can get colour changing printers for much less than $1k, just look at the Bambu lab A1 series.
resin will likely just get bigger print areas from here.
On the subject of color printing, Prusa made a blog post about their ramming strategy for changing colors and it seems very promising as a way to significantly reduce waste. It seems that the single color mk4 does a similar ramming strategy for unloading filament and I feel like I don’t need to endlessly purge when loading a new color of filament like I did on the mk3
The first company to do SLS for home use will revolutionize the industry moreso than any other we've seen so far.
It's so dusty I'm not sure it'll happen. Maybe if it can be completely encapsulated like laser printers.
@@LostInTech3D For sure, dealing with the dust is the #1 issue. The first company to deal with that will explode just like Bambu.
Another issue is the need for perfectly sized particles which would probably lead to manufacturers tying their printers to cartridges with chips.
Not going to happen. The material and material handling is a nightmare. Resin is already a pain in the ass but fine powder giving you cancer is even worse.
Material jetting will probably be better and released for home use before SLS.
@@condorman6293patents are very difficult in this space tho
Happy New Year
It would be great is Bambu made a filament recycling machine. They will make it better and cheaper than anyone else and considering they're making a lot of waste it makes sense if they helped to clean it up.
it would be quite ironic (but very plausible to me) if bambu lab would be the company that makes recycling of filament user friendly and accesible just because they produced so much waste with their product in the first place.
Nah - I don't think that will be necessary. They COULD however make a fill-nozzle that could feed the scraps into the walls in order to not use good material as filler / internal support. So sadly you are wrong.
I world love one of it could be made small enough (like the same size as the X1). Can't tell you how many times I've been prototyping and ran out of filament when all I wanted was to do one more print... and all I could do was stare at the box of printed parts.
@@BradKwfc I'm sorry, but I can't help you with that.
@@BradKwfc I'm sure you like me have bags of filament bits...failed prints, supports etc. just waiting for the time they can be recycled. I'm loathed to throw them away. They have recycling facilities where they turn them back into filament in Germany, but I don't know of any others.
I want to see more multitool printers, either toolchanger or IDEX
Idex 😁 there might be, I couldn't possibly comment
I love IDEX I really hope the best for it
There are currently 2 IDEX printers, Sovol (which might be OK-ish printer with upgraded extruders) and Snapmaker (which is quite pricey but seems to have bed moving up'n'down and fun calibration sequence 🙂).
I'd like to see more as well. Or at least dual-head. I don't trust PLA and PETG printed through the same nozzle too much.
@@kimmotoivanen There are more, I have a tenlog D3. If your buying from America lookup lnl tenlog. Great print quality, good size 300x300x350 and a good price point ~$550, super reliable. imo it better than bamboo lab, but it is missing AMS, which is a personal decision to make.
@@kimmotoivanen there's also the Lulzbot Taz Pro. Their Titan Aero-based design is not great for PLA, but is good with ABS, PETG and support filaments.
Slicers with non planar printing would be awesome. There's already been some of that done but it's not built in to a slicer yet
Meh, the great thing about FDM is it´s simply in one plane.
I dont know who's gonna be brave enough to make a non planar slicer first, but I know who it isn't gonna be!
@@LostInTech3D Instead check out the Phrozen Acro printer, this thing is the Bambu Lab killer. This is way more interesting in my opinion.
oh they finally named it? it wont be a bambu killer unless they figure out how to advertise it! Any prices yet?
I totally love the idea, but feel like the application isn't as "universal" as many think, especially when you need specific hardware just to get it to work and not crash into your print. I'd much rather see more advancement and integration of printing in "mid air". That stuff is seriously cool!
I have a Dremel 3D45 fully enclosed printer, core XY from 6 years ago. Still….STILL rock solid and have not replaced one part on it. Brilliant printer, does everything the newer ones do now. Heated bed, enclosed, LCD, air filtration, semi auto levelling (it measures bed level and tells you how much to adjust and it was fast and reliable to adjust), it also had rfid tags on the spool which auto set temps and speeds for the filament…pretty awesome stuff. I think this printer got a ton right but wasn’t a hobbyists darling because it wasn’t dirt cheap and painful to use all those years ago. It just worked. Because of that, I have never regretted the higher cost of that unit. I’m probably going to buy a Bambu X1 soon since it’s so much faster…and that’s where the Dremel is a bit painful, like many printers. Respect to Dremel for building out a printer with top notch (for its time) Bosch parts and quality steppers and screws.
its not a corexy printer. its either vertical cartesian or an hbot. 2 motors at the back with remote toolhead on one belt would be hbot, and cartesian would with an x axis motor that travels with the axis in y. corexy has 2 belts in whole xy plane in a dual diagonal configuration.
'this bit' has been the long anticipated breakthrough. multicolor without the hassle and yup thatll sell
I want to see multi material advancements.
Same. Nothing on the radar though 😴
@@LostInTech3D watching the last few years of Voron developments making their way to the consumer market, I feel we are at the beginning of tool changing.
Lots of buzz around the 2.4 and Trident mods
@@LostInTech3Dcreality claims there will be in 2024
So I expect it to launch with the K2 printers
I bought my first 3D printer two weeks ago and that was the Bambu Labs P1S.
It just works. And that is what I wanted. No nerdy fiddling or need for 1000 reddit forum reads.
How long will it last? For how long will I be able to buy spare parts? Those are the questions to be answered.
My predictions:
* Bambu will come out with an "advanced" AMS that can also work as a filament dryer, and the slicer will be able to programmatically start/finish a drying cycle before a print run begins
* Bambu will come out with a larger format printer, i.e, bigger than 256^3
* Bambu will solidify its hold as the "Apple" of 3D printers as more mainstream people begin 3D printing and don't want to tinker with their printers (it should "just work" when you hit Print)
* Bambu will really start to dominate even more than in 2023
* In desperation, some other companies will start to copy Bambu's strategy
You didn't really mention bambu much, did you forget about them?
What about a Bambu Tool Changer Printer to compete with the XL?
@@LostInTech3D lol
Meanwhile RatRig will continue to sell incomplete kits where the buyer has to source lots of important and expensive parts by himself for as much as a Bambu Lab printer.
I agree with you on those. 3D printing is finally moving for cheap Chinese crap you need to tinker on, to more professional but still affordble.
I liked the analogy to the console market, at the start everyone and their grandmother made a pong machine and then it was just a few cartridge based manufacturers and then even fewer cd based manufacturers
standardizing reel dimensions makes so much sense, there should be a DIN or ISO for those
I am not a fan of “color” printing. But multi material printing I am 100% behind. Multiple material printing is the difference between a consumer printer and an industrial printer. Many times when you are engineering parts. You need the abilities of different material in the same part. Ability to use a different material is the difference between an end use part and a static prototype. Majority of my designs should be used with 2 materials and 2 support material.
_me, with the same ender 3 pro (heavily modified) and modified Tronxy X5SA I bought years ago, barely used in the last year_
"interesting, interesting" :d
to be honest sometimes its better to just watch :)
budget machines have come a long way, that's for sure. if I start getting back into it and get disposable income, maybe I'll get some of these more complete machines :)@@LostInTech3D
Same here
I finished modding my ender3pro, and it can print everything I want/need. So there isn't any incentive to buy a new one.
Happy New Year, everyone !🥳🥳
THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THE niche PRONUNCIATION.
I hope that there will be a big development in driers, living and working in southeren Sweden we iften have high humidity and printing with 4.5kg, 8kg and 15kg spools there are no efficient AND affordable way to dry and keep a spool dry during the print
If you're selling filament, the Bambu single nozzle AMS unit definitely helps you do that! I predict that Filament companies like Sunlu will bring AMS style systems to the masses for Klipper based printers. If you can waste half your filament printing purge rather than model, you have increased the amount of filament purchased. If you can make the spool just proprietary enough to where it is inconvenient to use others, then most people will buy your filament. If your system will work with almost any printer with a simple addition to control it with a USB cable and maybe a few printable mounting parts, then you could rule the roost right now. Companies that already make filamament and dryers are in a fairly good position to do this.
Haha interesting theory, don't tell them or they totally will
Your plan is foiled by the newer ERCF V2.0 that puts a filament sensor in the print head. Now you can only waste what does not come out when you do a retract.
I have been sitting on this very same board for years (Jun 2020) for my CR10 S5 when there was no guide =_=... My next plan is to move the CR10 S5 to this very board, Klipper, use E1 as a second independent z-axis and leverage gantry / z-tilt alignment.
I expect a slew of printers based on the Bambulab X1C setup but with much larger print volumes. There are now a bunch of 600mm and 800mm printers and I hope they get good
Ender Switchwire clone?
I updated mine with the Kevin-aka-Sam belted z. Love it.
more idex printers would be nice to see out there under 2024.
or just printers with multiple extruders like ultimaker's printers
I think this year will lead to more standardised recycling, and cheaper fillament (if shipnation will succeed in his plans, other companies may lower their prices)
Be honest, almost no one cares about recycling. Especially not in china, which produces basically 99% of 3dprinters and related stuff. And even if one care - i just can't imagine cheap reliable system that not takes too many time to actually be useful.
Honestly I would love for this to be true!
Problem with (filament) recycling is shipping cost, and logistics of handling different types of filament material. For recycling to succeed it need volume, and to be fairly local. Though challenges.
I meant recycling at home
@@pusnirizda5481 They'd care about it if they could buy a relatively cheap machine that you put scrap in and get more filament out.
Standard spool sizes please! I have an full roll of XYZPrinting carbon fiber PLA just just... will not fit in my Sunlu dryer.
They took our linear motors! :D
Here is my 2024 prediction: Linear motor 3d printers!
eehhhhh most engineers I spoke to seem unimpressed with the idea. We'll see!
This would make me cry
Could linear motors provide the needed precision?
@@MetalheadAndNerd Hmm good question. I don´t think they will really be a thing. I also don´t think they will have a huge advantage.
I’m here for the sheet metal cutting and folding in 2024. Bring it on.
i bought a $160 walmart cnc to assemble and use because yes i also want to go from 3dprinting to cnc, and ti also wanna make my own pcb qway board too man very exciting journey,. i cant wait to machine my own aluminum keychains
I am still using my Flashforge Adventurer 4 which is great incredibly reliable but if I were to get a high speed printer which is the most reliable option to go for at the moment ?
for me its getting and building that ERCF v2 for my voron trident cause im lazy and hate filament swapping
I have a trumpet. Shoulda hit me up.
noted for next time, it won't be long trust me
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11:18 - Is it really user driven, or is it something users will tolerate because all companies want to go in that direction and they're willing to push us? In smartphones, no one wanted a non-removable battery or a missing headphone jack, but manufacturers universally did, so they pushed it onto us.
both of those are versions of the same thing - if nobody makes a fuss and everyone still buys the same amount, but it works in the company's favour - it's user driven.
@@LostInTech3D - That's fair I guess, it just seems like a useful distinction to make: attracting users with a new feature seems a bit different from simply not repelling users with said feature, even if users are supporting the product in both cases.
the only thing the prusa XL needs is an enclosure. after that point, and some additional bambu style user friendliness, I wont need much more for a WHILE
My Ender 3 can do 1000mm/s. Even accelleration on it can be ridiculously high ... the question is how much control you then still have over that movement. Low mass on the moving parts is a must for high (well controlled) acceleration and high acceleration is a must for actually reaching high speeds (and still being able to slow down again to take sharp corners). What Bambu still needs to get: larger size (maybe they'll first get that on a bed-slinger) and ... tool changing. I think Bambu can simplify and optimize tool changing compared to what Prusa has on the XL, with fully automated tool alignment and lower BOM cost.
Gonna be a lot of tears when Bambu shits the bed...
I absolutely need more multicolor but more importantly multi material solutions
It completely skyrocketed sales for me
Things having colored parts just looks much more professional and people but products more …..
Very Nice Wrap Up of the Year. 2024 I agree with you. The market will probably go bedslinger for BEGINNER, BUDGET, LEARNER printers for cheap "Get them Printing" type printers. Then core XY as the "Next Step Up" "READY to Print" "hands free" type printers.
Just hope the 3d company's stop rushing out units to be first to the Market. Remember Prusa's Tried and True "I am 3D Print." Make it work for 2024!
While I get that the multi-colour systems are popular, I think the other thing that Bambu has done that's made them so popular is make their machines very, very user friendly. Even the X1C requires very little faffing about on my end, and the hotend design avoids the biggest failure point on my older Creality machine - getting the damn nozzle and heatbraek properly butted together. This ease of use was *supposed* to be Prusa's big innovation with the XL and the Mk4, but Bambu managed to steal the wind out of their sails.
I don't know enough about other printers to say if anyone else has really managed the same level of "it just works," which is the other thing Bambu did really well: they dominated the conversation about such machines.
So, yeah. Any 3d printer company that's wondering why Bambu is selling so well needs to step back and think "Do I need to know how to build a printer to use this printer?" If the answer is anything past "not in the slightest," then your design just flat isn't competing in Bambu's market segment.
It would be quite disappointing if $1400 printer had worse hotend design than $200 printer. You got what you paid for 👍
I think I prefer to pass on Klipper for the foreseeable future. Should I want faster speeds and input shaping marlin supports that now also.
Yeah, sometimes simplicity and the ability ro quickly modify the firmware is more important than a flashy UI.
@@MetalheadAndNerd not for nothing, I have a printer on Marlin and one on Klipper, the only reason they both aren’t on Klipper is because I had a kid, and my printers have been collecting dust.
With Klipper you don’t flash updates, you just modify a config file and press save, it’s insanely convenient.
@@MetalheadAndNerdWhat do you mean by modifying firmware? Do you mean settings? If so, that doesn't make much sense since in klipper it's faster and easier to change settings than in marlin.
@@ScarfmonsterWR If you don't know what modifying firmware means you probably shouldn't judge what is easier, better or makes sense.
Hope the new year will bring support for multiple AMS units with the A1 (mini)
I can see them releasing a bowden adaptor that is on the extruder to be an octagon for 2 ams lite units. They sell the ams lite separate, so it would almost make sense for them to do it
You can have one ams on the left of the printer, other on the right
This has to be the future: toolhead change and larger printbeds like the XL along with more accurate printing to make sure you get less warping so larger prints will not fail as often. A bit longer perspecctive is more camera and lidar observation technology of the printing process to make sure everything is printing as it should and also potentially to be able to adjust the print itself if lidar is able to help calculate new trajectories for prints on the fly
I agree that Bamboo is flying out of the factory because of their AMS. Multi color printing will make 3d printing more mainstream.
I do not think reskinned slicers will go away, while I can imagine a company could be tempted to do it in house I think the harsh reality is people expect Prusa or Cura based. Especially since lots of tutorials for slicing lean on one of those. And to keep the overall community happy I guess instead of Prusa I should say Slic3r based and Cura.
Orca Slicer might become a new big dog on the Slic3r based slicer side of things though. it seems to be integrating a lot of the best from Bambu and Prusa additions to the source.
Also doing a competent slicer looks like an incredible amount of work, while you have a open source one on the market easy to reskin
I only see cosmetic changes to slicers. I'd like to see something more funimental with the methods they use to make prints. For those making structural parts, I'd like to see an easy why so specify internal structure that is different in different parts of the print. For example an area of 60% infill then slowly blends to 15% or whatever. or 6 walls in one areas and 2 walls in some other. What about calibrated holes. I print a hole and measure it and tell the slicer and then the slicer compensates automatically
All I need are good slicers and high temp nozzles
2024 , the year my 2023 Eibos3D Polyphemus preorder will eventually ship
Machine, Slicers, Cloud sounds a lot like the way Cricut does business. It is very user friendly that way for lower end users and it can create some amazing products. The next step would be to add Create to the mix. 3D scanners, CAD software, ect. An all in one package and solution for 3D printing.
13:10 are you referring to PLA only or all filaments including PA? And do you happen to have a video on humidity/drying?
Yeah it's called "your filament is wet" but it was a while back. I should probably do another at some point.
Decent sizes build plate size, at least 359 X 350 x 400 like the Creality Ender 5 Plus, enclosed, auto z-probe offset, multi colour, scanner built in. 3D camera, auto part to removal. Open source all parts. Proper size for filters, nozzle cleaner. Auto STL file repair and viewing. No need to use prime tower
It's such a shame that more than 5 years after I bought a Tevo Tornado a print bed of 300x300mm ist still considered "Max" or large.
I was expecting to upgrade to a 500x500mm CoreXY within 3 or 4 years. But instead the market has brought us hundreds of tiny printers with uneven and slow 24V heated beds.
problem is FDM is inherently not scalable since the flow rates limit the speed and that "cubes" to make big printers ridiculously slow.
I sold my fairly modded Ender 3 Pro for €80 and got a Bambu P1S. Mostly happy with the change although I look forward to the day where someone drops in a replacement mainboard running klipper or something that I can print direct to the thing, and still use AMS etc. but without going through the cloud.
you can use lan mode as is, but I get what you mean
Do you have any more info regarding the new Prusa Mini?
it's pure speculation :) nothing yet, who knows
I don't think the market is demanding more integration between machines and software; rather the market is shifting towards products that offer a better overall "user experience".
Part of Bambu success over the last year has been their ability to improve the user experience, particularly for newer users to 3d printing. Unfortunately this means more closed sourced software, and a trend towards paid service offerings. Any vender offering open source (or partial open source) solution will have an advantage, as it allows hobbyists to contribute to the to evolution of 3d printing. This is a model that has worked well for Prusa historically.
those hobbyists free hard work will be greatly appreciated by the companies' profit margains.
My prediction for 2024...
Induction driven multi nozzel head with fan moved to somewhere else on the printer and cooling fed by umbilical.
What I'd to see in 2024:
Better extruders on consumer grade 3D printers. The extruders from Sovol, Creality, Elegoo, et al are much better than a few years ago, but not nearly as good as the many after market designs and implementations. Rather than a $39 extruder assembly, I think most of us would rather have an extruder with better performance, greater reliability and longer service life for twice the price. The extruder assembly is the heart of a 3D printer and isn't getting enough attention by the manufacturers that seem to make something that'll print 2000 hours of PLA and that's good enough. Even worse, the extruder assemblies are very proprietary making it impossible to buy an after market extruder upgrade for a new printer, or any printer with an installed base under 100,000.
Stop reskinning a two year old version of Cura and pretending you are supplying your own slicer. Ship your printers with profiles for Cura, PrusaSlicer and OrcaSlicer, including generic versions of all popular filament types. Product launches are always rushed, so keep upgrading those profiles on the 3D printer manufacturer's website, and work closely with the open source community to have the open source slicers fully support your printers.
Stop skipping Kripple Klipper printers. Use the full open source Klipper so we have access to all of the features. The printer specific issues should all be managed with config files and macros. Concerns about naive new users screwing up their printer by changing behind the scenes Klipper can be addressed by having a simple procedure to restore the 3D printer to factory defaults.
We're getting better (fancier, feature rich, prettier) new consumer printers but we still need a good small print farm printer for small businesses. I should be able to buy a solid, low maintenance and very durable printer, use it to prototype a product, then buy eight more of the same printer for the factory floor without needing to hire a full time employee to maintain those eight printers.
Lower cost commodity filament, packaged without a reel. We shouldn't be throwing away a large plastic reel for every kg of filament. The reel cores should be relatively small and easily recyclable and we should buy refills for our reusable reels. Filament should be sold in standard 1 kg and 3 kg refills. It's crazy that every filament manufacturer uses whatever reels they like and there are no filament packaging standards that would result in much better reel holders and filament dryers.
The 3D printing industry thinks of TPU/TPE as flexible, and it is, so the focus is on reliably extruding lower durometer 1.75 +/- 0.03 mm filament and making a 3D printer extruder that can print it reliably, but TPU has other benefits. Inter layer bonding is excellent. It adheres well to most print bed surfaces without heat and peels off after printing. It's very resistant to UV and most chemicals. It has vastly superior impact resistance. Use 4+ perimeter layers and 25+% infill and 95A TPU parts are solid. I wish filament manufacturers made much higher durometer TPU/TPE for solid nearly indestructible parts that have all of the above benefits while making a filament that is much faster and easier to print, with better print quality.
Klipper is great for FDM, it gives options and open source tweaking capabilies. If there was something for UV Resin......
My 2024 predictions: we will see a prewired, preassembled bedslinger with a fold down gantry. Take it out of the box, unlatch the gantry, swing it up to operating position, latch, and print. It may have either a handle or an easy-to-handle carrying case.
4 or 5 axis printers will move from grad-school projects to at least one production model.
Someone will take advantage of all that incredible clipper speed and better anti-string algorithms to drop their "normal" nozzle from 0.4mm to 0.2mm, and reduce typical layer heights from 0.1mm to 0.05mm, making for considerably more detailed prints.
You just described the fookos :)
Thank you for showing everyone how to say niche. It always peeves me when someone says it wrong XD
An upgrade for my prusa mini would be awesome!
I am missing filament recycling, both at home and commercially. Also refills are up and coming
I don't really care much for multi color. I've been running enders mostly for years with good results, but also with the usual tweaking to keep them going properly. What I'd really like is a solid workhorse printer that just prints well all the time but doesn't cost $1200.
What do you think is the next update in the Ultimaker S line? The latest iteration the s7 i feel is minor / incremental update. Seems like they are due for some major update to keep up with the competition.
As always thanks for the great content.
I have no idea, I generally talk to the software guys and not the hardware guys. I wouldn't be surprised if ultimaker made the same kind of machine but with corexy. I don't have a clue on that one.
If they make a core-xy it will probably cost 10k @@LostInTech3D
In resin we will find more auto-fillers, heating becoming a main-stream thing, more linux boards, wifi and nominal resolution will shift from 35um to sub 20um for small-screen, mid-tier machines.
Resin pumps are a cool idea, wonder how I can print one, ha ha.
What about chamber heaters? Also, more companies using integrated hotend setups like bambu which are all one piece and can't leak? If not, then more Revo compatibility. One can also dream about improved idex or multi nozzle print heads.
I don't know if its going to be that common mostly because of the problems it causes with heat creep. Once we have externally (water) cooled hotends then we can start to see chamber heating.
My predictions are Creality is going to make a bedslinger with Klipper out of the box finally and we'll have a proper release of a 5 axis. And maybe we'll see another belt driven as I'm only aware of one being commercially produced.
I've been suggesting heavily to creality that they try to do this.
Colour printing is just a waste of time and material for anyone who finishes their prints (sanding, painting and weathering). I’d like to see an enclosed printer with a decent sized bed.
I dont disagree with you. I would like to see more multimaterial so we can leverage actual material properties, rather than colouring stuff.
I love my Qidi X-Max 3, its got a 325mm X 325mm bed.
I agree for those who finish prints, but I will say I am in the camp of ain't going to do that and live with the color it printed in. I am still waiting for a much less wasteful multi-color setup...
voron phoenix
Its not gonna be cheap, but its big, enclosed and idex :D
@@LostInTech3D We have to differentiate more between multi material which is useful and multi color which is a gimmick in FDM at best.
7:00 I’m looking forward to solutions like anker make v6 color engine to avoid filament waste
I really hope they will actually make a success of that but I fear they might just fulfill the Kickstarter then stop making them.
@@LostInTech3Dfair concern. I’m optimistic that Bambulab caused many to get hooked on multicolor prints.
It makes a ton of sense to have printers with little waste and reduce filament cost by 50% for multi color prints
Are you counting the K1C in the Creality prediction to solve the K1/Max shortcomings, because that seems rather imminent based on recent leaks and the Formnext video. Good overall set of predictions.
the K1C is already way past the leak stage I think! I was kinda rolling it in to the K1 since as you say, just a fixed K1 really. I should be getting one.
Makes sense! I’ve wondered myself recently whether Creality will adopt a K* nomenclature or just keep going through their adjective soup to describe variants like they’ve done with the Ender series even more so as of late.
Kingroon offers 10kg PLA for 85$ shipped in europe this holiday. Sooo tempting, but ...
But ?
I mean, the ams lite is good and all, but the ease of use is probably the main reason people are going with Bambu. Price point with the ams included doesn’t hurt either.
The future? HUGE printers. Loving my Comgrow T500s.
Creality is going to release an AMS type system for their K1 printers, you saw it here first
Probably, eventually. Not soon though I don't think
That would be extremely difficult, because the K1 line doesn't have a filament cutter in the print head.
Qidi on the other hand have copied Bambu almost verbatim, so they could possibly do it.
Phrozen has already announced their Bambu clone "Arco" with an AMS.
I agree with @@LostInTech3D here, it's unlikely for the K1. Creality style would be anyway, to just release a K2 next year... 😄
Printers for paper long ago switched to closed loop servo motors and linear encoders, abandoning stepper motors. 3D printers seem to still be stuck in the open loop stepper motor age, equivalent to the paper printers dot matrixs age (printers with ink saturated ribbons). When are 3D printers going to switch to closed loop servo motors with linear encoders?
Have you looked at the cost of the servo motors big enough?
@@chrisalbertson5838 The price of the motors would likely be the same as steppers as they both need the same torque, so same amount of copper. If steppers were so much cheaper than servo motors, they would still be using them in printers.
I've never understood why go Kliper on budget printers? I totally love my cheap Elegoo Neptune 3 pro, it prints just as good as my Prusa, and yes its marlin, but super stable out of the box with no problem. But then again people rush to buy AMS also, something I really think should belong in the past. If we should have multifilament printers we should definitely learn from the CNC world and do toolswappers (like the xl)
2024 is 100% gonna be the year of multiple tool heads for all. It's also gonna become common to have multiple color extrusion. There's a REALLY cool system of cmyk color printing that's in the works, and I've got my own design for one that would be even better if I get around to it, but those are a few years off and multicolor through multiple tool heads is the least wasteful way we know of that DOES work to do multicolor because it stops drip and purge without wasting filament cutting it.
As for prusa, I don't know why they're still calling it new when it's just the same design we've had since the anet a8
The main reason people are mostly buying Bambu is because their printers are expected to "just work", and as a secondary having multicolor is a HUGE bonus reason.
Resin pumping was the deciding factor in me getting an m3 max and I like it but it needs to be able to pump in and out to allow for no mess printing. It'd be nice...
Do you have any more information on this CMYK system or your own design? I'd like to learn more as, right now, I'm in the process of installing my hotend design (that uses WCMY) to my printer as I write this comment and I'd learn how others tackle this problem.
im more surprised we dont have multiple extruders in the same toolhead like ultimaker
I can give you an prediction on Resin printers, I can comfortably say that companies are gonna shift to adding a heater inside their SLA printers since most are printing ABS Resin and ABS as we know in the FDM word tend to warp if it's not heated enough. A lot of SLA Printers have this issue with warping so this is a safe call.
Except the resins used arnt actually ABS, its just something similar in chemical properties, isnt the warping issue do to moisture in the filament or are you talking about warping of the structure?
Thank you for explaining it is not pronounced nitch but neesh! It is always so annoying when people do that.
To me the multimaterial part isn't why I would want a bambu printer. It's knowing I can just plug it in and print.
I got the Bambu Lab A1 combo, and yes, multi-color printing is great. But I have to admit, quality it produces at the speed it prints are amazing. I can leave it at 200mm/s and it makes better quality prints than my Creality Ender S1 Pro. I'd argue that it produces better quality prints than the Prusa MK4 and that is for far less money as well. Frankly, as good as MK4 is (and yes, I have one), the A1 makes it look like a bit of outdated machine...
Good Lord, I made the mistake of buying a Geeetech Thunder for almost $500 1 year ago. It's now a paper weight just sitting on the shelf that won't print a solid part to save its life. What a huge mistake and it pisses me off to this day.
Bambu will come out with a XL printer. My prediction.
Haven't you heard? In the third quarter of 2024 Prusa are going to be releasing a new core XY machine with an inbuilt MMU that has a similar size bed as the MK3 series printer? Expect delivery around the first half of 2026!
Are you making this up🤣
I'm going to disagree with you on the dryer front - the proliferation of direct drive enclosed machines (AKA Bambu Labs X1C & copies) makes printing with filaments from the engineering end of the spectrum almost easy.
These plastics greatly benefit from drying temperatures well beyond 70°C, especially if you don't want to to dry them for a week. Maybe in 2025 we'll get to dryers that aren't 20°C colder at the top of the chamber than the heating element exhaust...
Personally, the two big things i want to see from consumer 3d printers is the ability to take out the USB while its printing and have the file stored on the printer like what I see from companies like stratasys and the ability to have closed loop stepper motors although I think that would only be for the more expensive consumer printers.
Hmm yeah seems obvious doesn't it
You mean printers where the file is on an SD card? I believe they already exist.
You can, I do that with my Flashforge 5M.
Stratasys isn't even in the conversation as far as I'm concerned with the consumer market. When your cheapest printer is like 30 grand and you can only use their filament and hardware at astronomical prices, and oh yeah, if your want the machine to continue to work don't forget about the maintenance package you need to pay yearly.
Their printers are nice, but in another universe for cost. I'm not sure how even in this day and age where nobody wants to learn anything how they are still in business.
@@bluerider0988 oh sorry if it was misunderstood but I don't mean stratasys is in the consumer market (far from that). I mean it was the first example that popped into my head since we have stratasys printers at work but I do use a mk4 at home with a few other printers which I would love that feature to be implemented on.
*scoff* The biggest thing in 2024 is the GIGA, show me a bigger format for consumers 🤨.
Affordable 5kg+ rolls of filament for the GIGA might even be able to save some dropping off printer companies as Larger printers need food too… I definitely agree with your points on the rest of your list, they generally match my notions.
Although the CoPoly looks promising for color printing without as much waste which might make the closed source Panda Food regret not being slightly less walled garden.
❤ Well done 🎉Happy New Year!
giga is 2023 and I still cant believe they already sold 2k of them lol
Voron Phoenix will open the way to idex klipper 3d printers. At least, I hope so.
yeah a smaller one would be nice!
4:51 - not really, most buy bambu's due to the ease of use. Bambu is making printers as close as they can to a appliance like a digital microwave. Plug it in, works.
I say this as one who got a A1 for this reason. The AMS is a big plus, but not what drove me to it.
I hope to see some real color printing advances to happen for both the resin and fdm printers. I expect anything other than 4 color to be expensive for the first couple of years.
As a (reluctant) hobbyist engineer for the Coaxial Hotend [gd0144] and Suspense [gd0105], I sure hope so! Part of the reason I'm doing these projects is because I couldn't idly wait around any longer.
When Bambu lab came out with the P1S I thought I'd sell my Prusa mini for it, but then I realized it's not really a better printer, for me at least. It's larger, faster, but the startup is slower, the camera is there mostly as a token, it is much, much louder than the mini, and the AMS is a half-product - very much not optimized, and unless you're mass producing small parts, very wasteful and expensive. You can use it alternatively though, such as final layer finish, perhaps embossed letters in a different color than the base or as automatic reel change once one reel runs out. But this is definitively not "color printer". Everyone hates the waste and this is going to get fixed, this is the race now. To create multi material system that creates as little waste as possible. So, for me at least, not worth an upgrade just yet. I predict the main battle will be on 250mm cubed + MMS/AMS under $1000 class. I can't wait to see what Prusa will do, I have a very, very strong intuition about them bringing out a MMS upgrade for all of their existing printers, because they have felt the Bambu lab entering the market...
Boring video idea: To save learning our way around the PCBway website and being disappointed at the quote, could you do a video covering PCBway's various offerings to give an idea of what they charge? eg is a minimum number of simple 5x5 PCBs £1400? Or a milled aluminium part for an automated googly-eye placer is only £2.75? Or is a bent plate tin-foil hat mould actually £156,000,000,000.34?
Keep up the good work!
I could if there's enough demand and people won't yell at me for being a corporate shill 🤣👍
@@LostInTech3D Pffft, you're a paid shill already, just get them to pay you more to showcase their stuff fully! 😉 I actually think it'd be useful to the practical sorts of people you must attract. I've seen enough of their ads to know what they do, but enough "POA"s flash up to stop me bothering to find out if it's likely to make me shake the moths out of the wallet and use them!
where are the active heated chambers on these core xy machines?
I think the two larger Qidi machines had heated chambers, but yes, I don't know either.
@@LostInTech3DYeah, they seem to be the only ones who can offer them with a reasonable price tag.
PTC Heater Filament Dryer; FilaDry has had that for a while no i think?
Possibly, but now everyone is gonna be making them
I absolutely would love to see filament reels not only standardize, but increase the "refill" availability. I absolutely HATE cardboard reels. They suck!!! They're always wobbly, make tons of dust, and easily get damaged. Refills are the perfect solution. Reuse the reels!!!!!!
how a bout a decent filament dryer that can hold at least 4 rolls?
Sunlu s4
thanks@@LostInTech3D
i dont think ill ever buy a new printer
As long as the kingroon works you don't need to 🤷♂️
I don't understand why instead of producing blobs the printer just prints two or 3 outlines more before printing the infill, and then when changing color start to print the infill then usually with two or 3 outlines the height is not so much the problem.
purge to infill is a thing, I don't see many people using it.
i am thinking new thing is going to bee one color filament but 3 rgb pigment ingentet in hot end to make 1m of color like regular paper printer
that's actually been done before, but wasn't reliable, or something.
Klipper is a must these days