Evercade - The Portable Retro Gaming Console / MY LIFE IN GAMING
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- Coury takes a look at the Evercade from Blaze Entertainment, a retro focused portable console with interchangeable cartridges.
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00:00 - Intro
Somehow, after all this time, I'm still not tired of your intro/outro music. It's so good.
I freaking love it
Yes. It feels special. Like I'm about to watch something really worth my time.
Agree
It's my second favorite gaming channel intro music (a real category I'm sure)
The number one spot goes to the speedrun history series SummoningSalt does.
It sounds retro, yet also modern at the same time. I can’t explain it, but also a fan.
Going thru a really sad time at the moment, the intro music and everything really made me smile for a moment.
Hope things get better for you. Put on your favorite game tonight and try and take your mind off things.
Tim McConnell .. thanks 🙏
Hope you get to feeling better. Going through things myself, yet these videos keep me up and happy too. So, I may not understand, but I do hope it gets better :D
@@amightygrizzly thank you
it might not seem so right now, but life tends to work out... @javier alejandro
On the subject of Earthworm Jim, as a 26 year veteran of the series, Genesis does what nintendon't. The visuals are very similar, it's the sound where it really shines on Sega. It's got that gritty, metallic Genesis sound that makes the music hit different.
It’s a cool concept for sure. I’m at a weird point where every channel that I really respect rightfully tears them apart, but friends I have online all seem to love it.
I have friends who think this is great too. I think it comes down to them being uncomfortable with emulation based handhelds and see the Evercade with its cartridges as a great way to play some of these old games, not realising that it is in fact using emulation to play them.
@@voteDC Man that always drives me nuts people put down emulation without really realizing their precious licensed products use the exact same thing even using what is actually available for free online in most cases.
It looks like it's worth supporting. I'd rather support this than the Nintendo switch/lite at this point.
I'm pleased that you guys are here to demystify these types of products
3 years after, I think It is the time to revisit the state of the Evercade platform un 2023 don't you think ;)
Hell yeah I just ordered this after researching a bunch of hand helds or emulation games and came across it by accident and was sold because I’m a big retro fan from the 80’s so it was right up my alley and all the reviews were excellent on price, size ,durability I can’t wait for it to come
While I appreciate what they're trying to do, I feel like the execution and quality falls flat in terms of it's core audience it is trying to appeal to.
Agreed and who really is the target audience for this? The clone devices that exist for cheaper seem like a better option.
99Vood99 Not sure. The library lacks real "Oomph" titles that would entice casual players and it doesn't have the performance to appeal to hardcore players.
They lost me at most titles not even being their arcade versions. The dang thing is called the EverCADE.
Yes guys, retro ROMs can be found freely on the internet and played pretty much for free, but I like the fact we can buy physical licences games and the way they have made it simple for anyone to play them. It certainly also appeals to gamers to like to collect games. Evercade isn't perfect, by far, but it's cheap and accessible. My worst complaint is the lack of proper scaling options and no custom button-mappings (not yet anyway). I would also love a sleep-mode since that would be more practical on the go.
@@99Vood99 Maybe, but every portable clone system that I am aware of (those that come with pirated roms atleast) screw up in one of the most important things, the sound. Sound emulation is horrendous, sometimes even missing whole channels. Considering how important music is for these old classics this is a major oversight that somehow gets copied from different clone system to clone system. This probably means they are all based on same chipset that was flawed from day 1.
I think this device is being misunderstood. It was built on a budget (hence the 16:9 non IPS screen), for people that still appreciate having their games in physical format on a shelve. The D-Pad is much better than it has any right to be at price point and it’s very satisfying having to insert and remove the cartridge from the unit. I feel they could have spent some time fine tuning the control mapping and a few other minor bugs to avoid the bad press, but I guess that can all be fixed with patching nowadays. The experience using this device is significantly different from a Roms Chinese handheld, and that may not be relevant for a lot of people, but if you’re a retro gamer that still has fond memories of blowing into your cartridges, you will appreciate what they are trying to do here. Is it perfect? No, and if you think it should be at this price point, you’re just out of touch with reality, but it’s still great fun. Fingers crossed they continue to patch and improve this unit.
I love my unit. I am a little sad to see these comments, but even if the system fails it's already in my top 3 handhelds with the library as it stands.
It really could have benefitted from some natively developed games. What is it, a Cortex-A7 core? Might as well give it a distribution network so that dedicated mobile developers can make somewhat modern games for it. Just to run badly optimized emulators is a waste of its potential.
Yeah I've seen a mixed reviews for it. The channels I watch regularly all liked it, but there have been just as many channels that I don't follow that often basically land blasted it. I think it'll suit my needs perfectly and I won't have to worry about Nintendo switch anytime soon.
Yeah these comments make me a bit sad, it's essentially a £40 handheld that does its job pretty well and is quite well-built with a Mega Drive style D-pad. It has very real flaws, all of which could have been avoided if it was more expensive, but I've had a blast using it.
Another review that missed the problematic stuttering of some Genesis game music. I really thought you guys would pick up on it. Try listening to the opening music of Tinhead on the Piko cart and you'll hear what I'm talking about. I also heard it during Earthworm Jim, Radical Rex and others. This is in handheld mode.
I'm glad you at least highlighted the issues with Top Racer which Evercade still seem reluctant to admit is a fault. Unfortunately it's not the only issue with this cart. I found that Drakkhen freezes instead of playing its ending and their are the audio issues mentioned above.
Another key audio related thing you missed. The device is incompatible with modern 3 channel headphones (the kind with built in mics or volume controls). You will get corrupted or distorted sound if using these so will need to seek out some regular 2 channel headphones.
6:29 My Life in BassGodding
The Nintendo Switch Lite has three Konami collections, a Capcom collection, an Atari collection, an SNK collection, a Sega Mega Drive collection, a Namco collection, and it has a very long series of arcade classics by a company called Hamster, not to mention the Sega Ages series. I don't understand why they made the Evercade. There was no need for it. Even the PSP and the 3DS are much better.
I think the idea of having indie game collections. They are more lacking on those devices and some have yet to even show up.
@@ccateni28 Actually the Switch has more retro collections on it than the Evercade does. I just didn't name all of them. And if you count the retro games available for separate download, it becomes even clearer that the Evercade is a pointless console created by nostalgic fanboys, much like the Intellivision Amico and the new Atari system that are about to come out.
Too bad it's impossible to buy a Nintendo switch right now RIP
Everyone is doing videos about this thing, and every time I see it I'm more and more disappointed. The Game Sack video already killed this thing for me and the other reviews are just burying it deeper into the grave.
While Joe's Game Sack video was a fair one, people really took his complaint about the audio issues too far, with many even trying to claim that all previous people who made videos on the Evercade were nothing but shills, and that Joe was the only one willing to speak the truth. They even tried calling Digital Foundry's John Linneman a shill, since he was overall positive on the device, which is ridiculous. I'm not completely sold on the Evercade either, but it's not like people are absolutely burying it, either.
@@TheLandofObscusion You'd be surprised how many people just don't care about audio accuracy. Many don't even notice its absence.
@@TheLandofObscusion meanwhile people on the evercade Facebook page were giving Joe hell after his review came out. I mean, the HDMI implementation just seems like crap honestly, and the original button mapping that was on Joe's unit was just awful. Why something like this doesn't allow custom button remapping, I don't understand.
@@startedtech Yep, those Controls are in my Opinion the Deal Breaker and there is the Point where People are right, how can others oversee such an Issue?
@@willmistretta got nothing to do with accuracy, joe found horrendous screeches and massive static overwhelming everything. According to Courey here this is due to incompatibility with nonstandard HDMI when Joe presented it as an emulation issue at the time. The latter would show up everywhere including handheld while the former is only going to hit select setups.
I can't believe this even got off the ground
Aren't you the troll of the year? This is actually higher quality and 100% licensed ROMs than Chinese clone pirated rip-off consoles filled with pirated ROMs.
I'm glad it did, it's a really cool console. People don't recognize the library enough: it's not just Atari and NES roms. Hell, Piko and lynx are enough to get me to buy it. That's some true variety
Sorry Coury, but it's not likely that NES Karnov, or even Atomic Runner Chelnov (since you brought it up, as well) will ever see release on the Evercade, and G-mode doesn't have the rights to those titles. While G-mode got seemingly 95% of Data East's catalog after the bankruptcy, the remaining few went all over the place, and developer Paon wound up getting Karnov, Chelnov, Glory of Heracles, the Kuuga Trilogy of shooters, & (most notably) Windjammers; yeah, G-mode can re-release games with Karnov & Chelnov in them, but don't have the rights to the actual games they star in. Unless Evercade eventually sees a "Paon Collection" for its Data East games, I doubt those will ever appear.
I'm genuinly interested in this system, as I like what I see and the system and games seem to be reasonably priced.
This handheld is really great i ordered the premium pack and got the Technos collection for 126$ i been playing the crap outta it for 2 weeks now,i ordered it for my son (lol) im gonna be ordering myself one in the next few days 👍
Bilinear filters are not something people seem to like but in my experience when it comes to arcade or Genesis games it's a must. The reason for this is because the blurring effect of the filter gives the sprites more detail especially in shaded areas.
I don't HATE it as an idea, I'd love to see if a homebrew scene develops for it that uses 'original' software instead of emulators. My big gripe with it is that it's essentially an emulator box with extra steps, but there's some potential here if some smart and resourceful people get involved with it.
At least they're 100% licensed and not Chinese pirated ROMs on a Chinese knockoff clone console.
I've been waiting for this video, now that Xenocrisis is coming to the evercade i hope we get CELESTE and Shovel knight on it.
Phelios finally gets the recognition it deserves!
Maybe the second version of this device will be worth owning. Needs more arcade ports and not lazy nes transfers
They're working on arcade collections as we speak
@@Openreality cool. I think version 2 of this device might be worth getting.
kghhgkgk are they releasing a version 2?
@@pungisotu based on the poor reception of this one, idk. It seems like all of the problems people have could be fixed with a hardware revision.
Soon guys, soon 😁
This Evercade is a treasure. Big up from France. Peace.
Sounds like a really good first edition product. Hope they keep improving it!
Great T-shirt and brewery. 👊
There should be a public warning before showing you wiggling that HDMI cable out. Pull it out in a straight direction!
I've seen a couple videos on this thing, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned that screenshot for River City Ransom on the game selection screen is a screen shot from River City Underground. I can't believe this thing made it out the door with so many of these problems
The best intro music of any gaming channel IMO...🎶✌️😊
Man, that cartridge going in is so satisfying
Not if you're the one putting it in. These things fit SUPER tight and is quite annoying.
I've been curious about these little guys.
Watching through my sceptacles.
14:51 That OST for MR is dank... love it!
This is the future of Retro Gaming, once they create a build with a miSTer with multiple memory slots (8 should be enough) each slot holding the hardware configuration and ROMs for specific consoles. Even with a thousand dollar price tag, it would be well worth the avoidance of headaches.
Fantastic review as usual! And hey what's the incredible music that kicks in at 0:50?
Ninja Golf? Ordered!
I love Splatterhouse 3! I still have my copy from when I was a kid and play it regularly.
I bought one after being pretty skeptical about it, and after 3 days of using it pretty often it's damn good for the price. I'd recommend it solely for Mappy Kids on the starter pack. Obviously this stuff is emulated on any old potato but the console has great buttons and feels pretty great, the carts are ridiculously tight fits at first but after 2 days they've loosened up to a pretty decent level. Would definitely follow developments regarding its games if you're interested, they're out of stock for the foreseeable future.
Top Racer = Top Gear in Japan, Mr. Carlson
Also Evercade is an homage to gaming history with beautiful presentation booklet and case. I also like the new 16 bit games. My favourite retro game here is probably Burger Time, a classic.
Great, honest review. I watched one 'CZcamsr' review where she hadn't even connected it up to hdmi!
I just got the Gameboy Advance SP IPS pre-modded and the screen looks awesome not to mention the 10 levels of brightness. I also made sure the case I ordered was Spongebob themed because I have GBA Movie Player CF version and I post processed and converted my 2004 Spongebob Movie from my DVD to a GBM/GBS format using GBA Movie Converter 1.50 so a Spongebob Movie on a Spongebob GBA SP is fitting. Also do my eyes deceive me or does the screen look bigger somehow? Although there is 1 complaint about the IPS panel, it looks orange/beige tinted which kind of throws away color accuracy like an orange filter that can possibly be annoying to look at. However the rest is awesome I give the mod 4.5 stars.
I feel so old when people say they're not familiar with 2600 games!
I’m vaguely familiar. I’m 38 but my oldest brother had a 2600. I played Pac-Man, Space Invaders and (Missile Command?) not sure if that was the name, it’s been a while 😅. He didn’t have many games but then we got an NES for Christmas and basically didn’t play the Atari much after that.
I was very hesitant on this thing. I've waited awhile and now am following up on CZcams videos and this thing seems like a cool blue collar budget option for a possibly continuous flow of affordable good compilations of games. Just the Namco Collection 2 warrants a purchase for my own personal wants.
No pixel perfect options is a huge bummer to retro gamers.
indie games seem like the most intriguing part (might pick this one up)
You two put out excellent content. Thank you!
I like how everyone reviewing this thing is all saying the same thing about how this thing just isnt for them but may be to someone that cant tell that everything on it is all screwy
No compelling games for me that I don’t own, but the fact that they got blastem running is neat.
I'm wondering if this will be one of those super rare collectors' novelties in the future...
What we really need is simply good adapters for phones, more purpose built gaming phones, and better android ad iOS emulators. This is cool and all but I just can’t get over the idea of spending 3-400 bucks on a really nice retro handheld that irl is a lot slower than the phone I carry every single place that I go. Apple made the Apple Arcade. Imagine if they made a phone with mods for gaming.
This thing looks really cute but, it's so broken in so many aspects it doesn't really beat buying a bluetooth gamepad and using it on your phone :(
When the dual Evercade comes out I'll be interested in seeing that for two player co-op titles.
Love your content, always 100% on point
I like it... gonna pick one up... it’s one of those things that will probably be worth a fortune some day...plus a Atari lynx cart coming.... I’m all in
Star Ocean 2 on the PSP! Nice choice for a demo reel - you guys have great taste
Hell yeah, that Burning Force stage one theme rules.
I love your videos keep up the good stuff I know you will hit big one day.
They're the biggest channel for retro games played on modern hardware. That community just happens to be pretty small
Thanks for the video 😁 I'm interested in the evercade and hope to get it in the future
Love you guys! I wish I could afford to give you guys more money on Patreon.
I don't think I've ever heard niche pronounced that way, but interesting and entertaining video none the less. I think I'll wait and see what if anything happens with their arcade plans in 2021 and their potential consolized Evercade.
I do hope though to see some of the newly translated Namco Famicom games be ripped for Everdrive/Powerpak use like has happened with the recent digital collections on XB1/PS4/NS. There's some overlap with those two digital compilations the Evercade lineup, but several newly translated games like Mappy Kids are exclusive to the Evercade at this time.
And lastly, Top Gear was actually always Top Racer in Japan on the Super Famicom. What's here is the Japanese rom I suspect, which has some subtle differences like different fuel burn rates for the cars. Would be easy to see in the controller options screen since the Japanese version shows a Super Famicom styled gamepad.
I suspect the renaming isn't for what this video alludes to though. My money is on Kemco keeping the Top Gear name for videogaming and only selling Top Racer and the three 16-bit classics to Piko while holding onto the rights to the name itself. But then again maybe it does have something to do with the unrelated BBC television show.
Soon as I hear Blaze my heart sinks and I think fuck it
I don't think Top Racer was rebranded because of the british tv show, but because some weird licensing issue with Kemco, who owns the Top Gear monicker (for videogames, at least).
Also, Top Racer is the game of the game in Japan, and its weird how they removed kemco trademark on the title screen. Can you guys please elabore on that? I'm curious because me (and a lot of brazilians) are big fans of this game.
i know this has nothing to do with your video, but i just got the McWill screen in a Game Gear and replaced the capacitors. im in love. it looks so amazing
Well I have bought an Evercade and all games yes they are games that are not too good just like any system but all in all I enjoy the system and more I will buy the VS coming out this November!
For the ones that are interested in a flashcard for the Evercade: EverSD is getting released soon!
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I'm interested in this console because I like to play more 7800 and Lynx games, but the system and games for both are getting expensive. This is a good alternative and you can hook them up to the tv. Don't really care about the other carts because I can play them fine on my Genesis/SNES.
I'm hoping to have a feature on the Evercade soon, with the end goal of 100% coverage throughout its lifetime thanks to its affordable price point. I got one from Daeruna for levelling up this year and it has good shmup potential!
Edit: That Jim Powers track sounds ripped-off wholesale from YsIII (O_O);;
Only real complaint I have is that the game boxes don't indicate what version of a particular game you are getting. You don't always expect the NES version of a game and that is more often than not what you get.
Is it me or have all the reviews been pretty "meh"? From the sound of the reviewers, they are almost reluctant to say it isn't a good system. I'm not saying it isn't a good system, as I don't have one to judge, but I get the gut feeling they really want to say something like "It's good, but not worth $100.00". The screen and emulator issues are what seems to be the biggest issues. Understandably, the creators of this system probably wouldn't of allowed these games to be put on the system if it wasn't fort the emulator on the cartridge, I think that is the system's fatal flaw. Maybe the firmware updates allow extra functions to be read on the cartridge emulators and bypass the issues of the emulator on the cartridge? Hopefully.
I think they like the idea of officially licensed games in the emulation space and so are kind of giving the Evercade a pass on things they'd tear a rom based handheld apart for.
I definitely really do like mine. My one complaint is that a lot of games are not the arcade versions, but if that doesn't bother you then honestly this thing is a pretty cool niche product
Shout out to Southern Tier, minutes away from my childhood home in Lakewood, NY!
Their stouts are the best
Honestly, these nickel + dime handhelds are getting silly. Splitting up single-digit handfuls of long-dead games with no real work done on them seems incredibly wasteful. A regular handheld (3DS/PSP/Vita) with emulators will run entire consoles' worth of games without extra purchases. Even if you don't want to use emulators, the handhelds have collections that have multiple times the number of games as these collections
The funny thing is this apparently uses what appears to be replacement PSP screens...480x272 @ 4.3".
Yet it's worse than a PSP for emulation.
Always when i see videos about any of those new Emulation Handhelds i wonder if they are better than an PSP or PS VITA and everytime they are not even working properly let alone that they miss the Librarys of PSP (which has alot of great PS2 and Ps3 ports) or Vita (similar story).
@@ZunaZurugi yeah the Vita is definitely a benchmark for wannabe retro handhelds, hard to beat engineering from a leader in electronics AND in the video games industry combined with years of deep hacking efforts from very skilled people. I have both OLED and LCD models, and I just bought a new 3DSL XL yesterday, with those 2 systems on CFw's I can cover such a huge library, and I gotta admit I think I'm falling in love with the 3D screen of the 3DS, with eye tracking it works really well and the depth effect really adds something new that will probably remain unique until we have holographics displays or mainstream AR/VR glasses. I'm pretty sure I got IPS screens on mine, the viewing angles are great, very happy right now :o
Regarding those cheap looking retro devices, they're even more irrelevant when you consider the amount of existing handhelds and thus spare parts for them, when those coming-from-nowhere devices are most likely screwed if something breaks in a couple years from now.
@@YomBouyashaka By the way, there is a homebrew app that shows you the inner specs of your 3DS. It's called 3DSident. In case you want to confirm that you have IPS screens.
Exactly, this is just waste of plastic and space. And there is Nintendo switch out there, the most successful handheld. Just release these game on switch.
Would love to see someone make an "Everdrive" for this device, so that you can load whatever you want to on it. That would be the only way I'd have any interest in this vs just using a PSP or Vita to Emulate.
we need a video on the Evercade VS
[Try4ce] We decided to just stream it instead. It was a surprisingly super fun stream! czcams.com/video/sod83eJYI_Q/video.html
These things will never be quite good enough until pixel density is so high that you can scale accurately, or at least do sub-pixel blending which still looks crisp.
Lovely review, thank you.
Still not sure I'll get this. I have a psp [with cfw] that still works and I have a large collection of original retro games too. Its only $99, so might as well. Just wish they had button mapping and a few filter options. That's fairly basic stuff. Emulators on the raspberry pi or psp are a bit complex at times though, so maybe it was just a path they didn't want to go? Excited to see how many more games they release and long term durability tests. Great video man!
There are far better and cheaper handhelds for emulation. Unless you absolutely have to have physical cartridges, there is no reason to buy this.
The only thing I can see as a market for this is as a gift for people who played these games as kids but don't play any more. I have an uncle like that, he was a big zx spectrum fan as a kid but never owned or played anything beyond that system.
For everyone else there are more sensible options
Would be nice if they released a consolized version of this for $20 or so cheaper...AND A SECOND CONTROLLER PORT!
I think it's a pretty neat handheld. I really wish they'd fixed the Genesis button mapping with the firmware update that patched the NES and SNES mapping. The vertical mapping feels gross, and I'm not sure how they were ok with that.
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A couple things about build quality are surprising to me that these issues made it to the final product. One is the cart slot is SUPER tight. It's quite difficult and annoying putting a cart in and out. I always smudge up my screen in the process. Second is the hdmi port is not lined up with the hole in the case. I haven't tried to plug a cable in it yet, so I hope it still works.
It is also annoying how games are split up between carts, like Earthworm Jim 1 and 2 being on separate carts, forcing you to buy both if you want them. They probably did this to help with covering the costs of development by making people spend more for all the carts or by having a bunch more carts than they would otherwise making it more likely people will buy it, seeing it having numerous carts.
Overall, I like the idea of it and I don't regret buying it, but the quirks and quality issues are very odd.
[Coury] Oh wow, the cartridge fit wasn't fixed on retail units? There was a note in the box talking about the tight fit and how it would be fixed for retail units. I'd have said something if this was gonna be the case - its not so much putting it in for me, but taking them out that was annoying.
Surprised that you guys bothered to make a video on this tbh - didn’t really think it was something that would be on your radar!
I had, and did not particularly care for, Jim Power on SNES back in the day. Actually kind of surprised it's getting pulled into retro collections 25 years later. Didn't seem to have a lot going for it in the nostalgia department.
A quality device for the GP that don't own a Nomad, Supaboy, RetroDuo Portable or hacked PSP.
Desert falcon does have that shadow as it flying! same as on atari 7800.
Lost me at the start with the sentence “higher quality”🤦🏻♂️😂
This is actually higher quality than Chinese pirated clone consoles
6:28 why does this slap
I can't buy into these devices. They just never seem to do much for me.
What does?
Peter von Feldt the real thing duhh
Everyone just keeps posting about this thing.
Seems they sent them to everyone to review.
A complete waste of money otherwise.
Yeah typical review shilling...least gamesack actually pointed out how shitty they were ahaha everyone else has been gawking at these without giving an objective opinion. I'm only 3 minutes into watching so we will see what they say here.
I don't get why this needed to be covered. Its just another cheap handheld
Surly there must of been something more worthy/interesting for MLIG to put their resources into?
[Try4ce] Well we did receive a review unit so we decided to do something on it. This is not the only video we're releasing this week though. Analog Frontiers Part 2 will release on Friday, Coury needed to do some simpler topics like this while I didn't the last 3 weeks crunching on finishing AF2.
$80-$100?? You can buy a friggin’ Pocketgo for like $30 right now.
Or for the price of this, buy a used PSP and have a pretty good all around emulation experience, in addition to PSP games.
Too bad the Vita had skyrocketed in price over the past year, they're all like $150+ now that an easier/better homebrew hack is out.
Pirating is usually cheaper than genuine games yes.
A 2DS is usually cheaper than 100 bucks and has a better build quality than the Evercade by the looks of it.
This is SO cool!
Interesting concept, but man, the execution just doesn't seem to be 100%. That's the issue with these handheld clone systems. They might nail some features, but then completely botch others. That inconsistency makes you wonder what the point of it all is. It is neat that they are providing carts for collectors and the value there seems pretty good all things considered, but with all the other issues I could only see myself being interested if the unit is blown wide open for hacks and homebrew.
I'm really digging mine. The emulation seems perfect and it's really comfortable. The library is pretty great so far, and Ive already preordered the Oliver Twins pack that'll be out soon.
For it's price its hard to beat, so long as you aren't ok with piracy.
i wish there was a high quality portable space invaders
Future models fix the button problem
love your intro
Why they named it Evercade? Without arcade games included but console’s versions instead ?
Still not sure why they chose a 480x272 screen for pre-PSP retro games.
Love this intro music
I wonder if MLiG has heard of the RG350M or PocketGo or these types of devices and if they will review these (of if they simply don't care)