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- Thank you to sponsor Private Internet Access: www.piavpn.com/NostalgiaNerd ~ Any fan of classic computing or retro gaming will have faced the "monitor" dilemma. Which screen is best for the various systems you have? Well to answer that call is this potential new monitor from Checkmate; A Retro Styled Modular IPS Display for old and new systems. Let's take a closer look at it before it's too late. Kickstarter: www.kickstarter.com/projects/...
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@@stanb1455 He's not allowed to say anything negative, even if he gets directly sued for advertising or piracy violations.
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backed it. ill be sure to give it a full review when it comes out
"Mistakes Were NOT Made"
Can't wait to watch! Backed it cuz I saw u backed it!
MVG is king
You are the best!!!
Already looking forward to seeing you put it through its paces!
It's good to see a monitor manufacturer, even a small one, finally paying attention to the retro space.
One step closer to newly manufactured CRTs
A man can dream 😢
It won't get made if you don't all back the Kickstarter
It's just a case with accessories. You fit your own flat panel and other monitor guts.
@@Gr00t
Companies DO make CRT-s, just not for consumer electronics.
I've been saying this for years that someone needs to make a tv,monitor that's new school, but old school
The Kickstarter for this is now over, but thankfully it turned around and fully succeeded. From what I understand hopefully there may be some spare units available next year after all the backer units are sent out, so if you want one, don't lose hope.
I just saw this video. Hoping more are made.
Just saw this video today, hopefully everything works out and there are plenty more! Good luck to the team behind it
What do you mean spares? Isn't the point to kickstart a production run and sell at a higher cost for profit after the kickstarter's done? Surely he's not one and done with this after the initial orders?
@@T0TALLYAWESOMEGUY he says he wants to make more in his newest stream
AFAIK this is just a standard, off-the-shelf 19" 1280x1024 5:4 aspect ratio LCD panel -- the kind you can find at thrift stores for $10 - $15 -- with custom electronics and a custom case. And the claim that PAL is a 5:4 aspect ratio is incorrect. Both NTSC and PAL are officially 4:3 aspect ratio, despite their different resolutions. I think people got the false impression that PAL has a taller aspect ratio because Amiga and Atari ST owners would switch back and forth between NTSC and PAL modes depending on the software they're using, and rather than adjusting the monitor's vertical size every time to compensate for the different resolutions, they'd just leave it at a compromise position, so PAL would look taller than NTSC even though it shouldn't.
I'm not saying it isn't worth supporting this project; but the people expecting it to be a bespoke, true 4:3 aspect ratio LCD will be disappointed. If you want to display a correct 4:3 image on it, you'll have to live with some letterboxing.
the panel demoed in this video looks like garbage but the panel isn't even included with the kickstarter. it's a pretty cool idea for a bit of kit but i have trouble imagining the audience for this product. it's not a CRT and it's never going to look like one. and the kind of collector that already has such a variety of consoles or whatever to necessitate such a wide variety of input flavors presumably already has the displays to accommodate. if you're only using a limited variety of signals, there are already a wide variety of adapters that will allow you to use the panels/crts you already own. I guess it would be pretty cool to bring to trade shows or the like, so you could support whatever obscure device someone might show up with, but for any kind of a dedicated use, there are already superior alternatives.
Please don't give up on this. Extend the kick-start if you can. Get more videos out on this using other CZcamsrs. First I've heard of this with only 3 days to go. This looks awesome. I have 5 or 6 monitors/TVs at the moment and really no space. This could be a great solution. Don't give up
Nope he's very set on having no plan B.
He literally says on the most recent update you either fund it or you lose it. FOREVER
Seems an odd time to do the kickstarter, just before the holidays. Probably have been better after the New Year. I certainly can't afford to back it now, but would after the New Year
@@wmwragg smells like a scam.
BTW: Did anyone actually back his other two projects and did they receive any of the hardware?
@@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI Yes
@@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI Yes his Checkmate 1500 case is top quality.
Better idea is to extend the Kickstarter and visit more CZcamsrs (Retro Man Cave for example) that doing retro and let them tell about it. I didnt even knew this excisted cause of the lack of PR around it, if this video didnt came out it woulded passed me. Going to post this on my Dutch website so more people know about it, i like the modulair idea of it.
Yes and LGR
They weren't interested it seems.
@@paulklasmann1218 I'm very much interested, I've been a backer of the Kickstarter since the moment I heard about it!
@@LGR Sorry, I must have misunderstood.
I'm in the same boat here. I'd love to back this but I literally found out just after the Kickstarter appears to have finished...so yeah.
I would classify this as a viable CRT alternative. CRTs are, unfortunately, a consumable resource that nobody is making anymore. As a result, those of us who enjoy retro machines have to start preparing for a future without CRTs.
EDIT: On second thought, this would also be a great place to put my MISTER so it isn't just sitting on my console shelf hooked up to my TV. Went ahead and pledged mine in Black.
We are already living in the future without CRT’s. I haven’t seen these bad boys in quite a few years so idk man no wonder why they are kinda hard to find
@@Prizzim - They're being hoarded. If you look into the retro arcade community, you will see lots of CRTs. For retro consoles they're being used too. The world championship in Tetris is always on CRTs.
I wish it would use the extra depth for a removable backlight . I wish as well it had strobing back light for a more CRT movement feel.
@@Tailslolthere have been back lights which illuminate a column. I don’t actually know if current backlight just have a 2d matrix of white LEDs?
Anyway, just grab such an old backlight and rotate by 90° and you can simulate the beam going from scanline to scanline.
CRTs are still being made as of December 2023...
This is something I’d love to have at some point, but can’t afford it at the moment. I’m glad you did this video to give it a little more exposure. I hope the kickstarter meets its goal.
i just donated a few pounds. id love for others to enjoy it even if I cant afford the tiers right now.
It has already met its initial goal of $255,276.
Same
Same, I only just saw this video so I've clearly missed the deadline as well 😔
He should really get this out with more CZcamsrs! What a brilliant project!
They refused to cover it, sadly. He tried.
@@jannesiren8382 that’s unfortunate, seems like something Clint from LGR would love to dive into
@@jannesiren8382 Not true at all, at least in my case. I was never asked to cover this.
Steve _did_ reach out to me to let me know of the project's existence, but I was not offered a review unit or anything of the sort.
@@LGR Thank you for the clarification, that is fair. What I meant to say Stephen did reach out, or so he told us, to several channels and out of those only got exposure from Nostalgia Nerd. I guess the limiting factor for reviews was that the two prototypes were in the UK. But even in the UK at least RMC declined outright from checking them out and I recall others were tried as well, so just wanted to note there was effort to get exposure (reviews, mentions etc.). Stephen commented on this unexpected difficulty several times over the course of the campaign, given his better success with the cases.
Stephen made his goal! I happily sponsored this as well, since he provides high quality products and this is such a needed thing for retro gaming - not just for Amiga, but other legacy systems as well.
Unfortunately I think this project is a lesson in how not to do a Kickstarter. The monitor itself is a great idea, but the way you only pledge for the chassis/electronics and then have to pay later an uncertain amount in a different currency for one of three different types of panel just makes it needlessly complex and adds another step where things might go wrong.
Imo they should have just had the IPS option with a surcharge for the better panel. The budget panel is absurd on a project that costs so much for the chassis, it's like selling a Ferrari and allowing you to buy a version with the sub-1L engine from a Toyota Aygo.
Plus, this time of year seems like the absolute worst for launching this kind of Kickstarter. A relatively expensive product right before Christmas, when money's likely to be tightest. This year there's even a bonus: it's UK based and in pounds, so likely most attractive to British gamers, but this winter the UK is in the middle of a cost of living crisis due to the absurdly high cost of heating.
I think it's a cool idea, but not at the moment.
@@Silanda the US is right behind you with absurdly high cost of heating. living in the northeast (new england), it's not uncommon to be paying upwards of $7/ga for heating oil. to add icing on the cake, electric companies raised rates 110% in August. absolutely insane...
Thank you for a great start of the day. This was much needed. The win95 startup sound always gives me nostalgic goosebumps.
It's the same sound as Win 3.1 (at least in the first W95)
Thank you for doing this video. I really like Steve and what he’s doing for the retro-community.
I’m already supporting the project and I’m happy that there might be a bigger chance now that the kickstarter reaches its aim by Sunday.
Thank you very very much, Mr. NostalgiaNerd 👍🏻🙏🏼
Its simply overpriced for a 19° IPS Panel
Let me say how much I appreciate you demoed orchestra classical music for the sound example.... I don't know why but it seems like everybody in the last two generations forgets highs lows all the dynamic range is best heard from speakers by listening to a robust classical soundtrack to test your speakers..... I haven't seen someone do this on a CZcams video for years, if ever, so kudos to you
This has been going around on the retro computer and gaming pages on Facebook the last few days. I didn't realize it was Checkmate, I remember seeing some of their Kickstarters.
I've been developing something similar for years, but my biggest problem is that I don't want a flat screen, I want something at least similar to a trinitron from the 90s, a slightly curved screen. This has been my challenge over the last 2 years, to design this front glass so that it doesn't distort the image.
You can buy a curved LCD
You got an optic problem so making a custom lens for you monitor is expensive. My only solution is to make it out of clear resin and do tests and get advice from a optics professor.
@@PutineluAlin I tried transparent resin, but at least here in Brazil, I didn't find a resin that didn't turn yellow after a few months. I believe it is an effect of the hot tropical climate here.
@@RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao Might be worth a shot to laminate it doing that might create a slight distortion but it will be hardly noticeable and the tight thin seal will prevent the air and heat from making any changes.
@@PutineluAlin PMMA may be clearer in the bulk. Then iron the curved surface?
this is extreamly cool, im not a retro guy but i can still appreciate how amazing this is, id love to see more products like this to come out
"It only has a week left"
*Checks Date*
--11 months ago--
"Fuuuuuuu..."
Can't you buy it anymore?? I'm looking around where to find it.
This is a fantastic project, a dream monitor for retro machines, I backed it and hope more will, come on folks!
There's only 3 days left. What a shame. If there's any way to extend the Kickstarter, or start something on another fundraising service, I think that would be great. It's sad this video couldn't have gone up much sooner.
It has ripped past its funding goal already. All it took was this video to bring it our attention as a community lol.
@@shadowtheimpure oh, good. I was worried because of how little time it had left. Very happy.
I think, the one more solution to make it even better is to enable an optional adjustable v-synced strobe backlight (either LED or xenon) to eliminate the blur trailing and make motion image as crisp as it looks on CRT
This is the kind of thing that should be blatantly obvious and standard for any product that pretends to innovation.
Why did it fail on the market? At least for mainstream.
@@ArneChristianRosenfeldt CRTs actually lasted for a really long time before flat screen technologies replaced them. They ultimately failed because of their size and weight; you can stock like 5 times more flat screens, so you could sell more screens more often, and make more money than selling CRTS; especially because shipping would cost you so much less in comparison.
even 1ms strobe isnt enough to come even close to CRT fast motion handling.
@@abc-ni9lp Actually phosphors on CRT don't fade out immediately after an electron beam passes it through, we can see on slow-mo shots that phosphors continue to glow and fade out exponentially. The brightest glow (between 35-100% brightness) continues at approx 0.2-0.5 ms timeframe, so I think modern high-efficiency LEDs could handle it. This, however, will revive the main downside of the CRT monitors: strobe light is noticeable at 60Hz and even more noticeable at 50Hz and causes eye-tiredness - that's why all CRT monitors for PCs were recommended to run not at 60Hz, but at 75-85-90Hz minimum (~90Hz is the frequency at which eye stops seeing the strobing completely) - but all retro consoles are outputting 50-60, so there will always be a compromise. Or, perhaps, modern monitors will soon be able to double the framerate predictably with almost zero input lag, so 120fps with 120Hz strobing backlight could be achieved.
Please do not give up on this yet! Please extend the Kick-Start. I would hop in on it now but I'm tapped from Christmas.
Incredible. This is the way things need to go. There's definitely a market for monitors for retro use. Now all you need is some sort of super bright 900 line OLED panel which (through science and algorithms) can mimic the horizontal/vertical scan frequency, beam landing and convergence of a CRT and you're laughing. Oh and the native scanlines as well. I'm sure we'll get there one day 😁
At that point it would I would rather them get old CRTs, refurbish the tubes and put it on a chassis similar to this with tons of ports and expansion capabilities. It would cut down on all the ones setting at recycling centers too
An FPGA board for CRT simulation.
you can make cathode ray tubes at home, making your own screen is only like several dozen even more complicated steps from that
I think we should bring back 4:3 monitors in general. 16:9 is perfect for TVs. But for most digital work, it's not ideal, and doesn't fit well in a multi-monitor setup.
Ugh, bummed I missed the Kickstarter (if it was even available to us in the U.S.). I would literally buy just the shell and then source my own parts if I could. This is absolutely brilliant. I've recently taken an interest in the MiSTER project and this is so cool.
I'm glad you posted this! I never would have heard of it otherwise- and it's definitely a monitor I've been wanting for a while, without actually knowing it. So I've backed it. Here's hoping!
I think this project's great! I think this and other projects that create modern tech with retro hardware in mind is cool as hell and it never ceases to amaze me!
I'll be looking forward to these becoming a regular product, as I can't afford to join the kickstarter right now. Once they do go on regular sale though, you can be sure I'm gonna pick one up with all the expansions and the best panel possible!
We need more people like this guy.
It's real nice too see.
I would back it but i recently bought another crt monitor for way to much money..
So I'm broke.
Hopefully this can be picked up in the future.
Personally I'll always prefer a CRT for my old hardware but the level of convenience and quality on offer here is amazing and a no brainer if you're not picky about your retro display of choice. Hopefully this gets funded.
CRTs won't be around forever so yeah
I like how he kept it real "I could replace all my monitors with this!" "Nah, you're not going to do that, CRTs are still great" That they are, that they are
I wish someone would still manufacture CRTs. I would love a 1080p 16:9 CRT at a reasonable price. I know there are such CRTs, some of which are old new stock (or was it new old stock? I don't really care), but they are stupidly expensive.
Really, the only reason I am using an LCD is because general unavailability of such CRTs.
@@UltimatePerfection Unfortunately there is very little people left who would know how to run the manufacturing of CRTs for example a Chinese company apparently bought all the tools to make CRTs from old manufacturers but couldn't find anyone with the skills to run them. Only ones that still get made are small and only work for specific equipment.
@@consensus688 I am sure that you could find some retired CRT engineer that either can get back to the action so to speak, or teach new workers how to make these.
@@UltimatePerfection Even if there isn't - there is heaps of written documentation regarding them and people are more than capable of figuring it out. We did it the first time without that benefit. I'm still hopeful we'll get back to em.
til you move one.
Just the look of that monitor is just beautiful!
I really hope this project succeeds.
30 seconds into the video and just from looking at the back of the monitor (without any context), I knew *I was sold!* This is an AWESOME idea!
Such a cool project! I can't afford to back it, but I genuinely hope it's successful! This is a great option for those looking for convenience and a retro feeling
Wasn’t even done watching the video and I pledged for the 19” white. Thanks for doing this video and sharing as I never would’ve known about this awesome project. My CRTs will die one day and this looks like a beautifully designed solution.
It's just an empty chasis
Nostalgia Nerd you are a saint! This clip did the magic for the Kikstarter ! 🥳👍
I just now found out about this from your video here, and, sadly, I missed the deadline for the Kickstarter. I would really have loved to have backed it!
So glad to see this hit it's goal! I look forward to see the future of the project. Right now I have a GBS C YPbPr to VGA CRT setup for most things, having something like this would definitely simplify things for sure.
Looks great, and it made the Kickstarter goal too. Fantastic!
I backed it for one with the black chassis! I usually don't comment on vids but I hope this video can get enough of a boost to meet Mr. Jones' goal. Great video! It certainly convinced me to back it.
I was able to support the project before 8 hours of it’s end, it reached the goal so hopefully we get it. Thanks for your video ❤
This is awesome! One thing IMO to improve this, would be to recess the custom panel on the front and have a flap (to hide it when not in use). And ditch the blue led for a red, green or amber one.
Yes, definitely needs a softer LED color.
Mixed emotions on this project, the modular aspect and versatility are cool, but CRT users do not want this, the guy was honest about that so props to him. No RGB scart input by default is a crime. Hope he gets it out still.
At least being from the US - SCART seems like an awesome luxury I wish we had more of..
Awesome project. Thanks for showing it here on video. Cheers. :)
an oled version would be crazy
Damn, didn't know about this project, until now. Feels like it's too late. Only 3 days left, and I doubt it will reach the goal. Wish he would extend it, since some of us just can't afford it, this close to the holidays. Should have it ending at the end of January instead. I don't understand, why he won't extend it, and just give up on it, if it doesn't reach the goal in time. There definitely is a market for monitors like this. Hopefully someone else, will give it a try, if this fails...
It might actually make it. The Kickstarter has raised over $100k in roughly the last 4 days. Share it around your social media and we may actually get this in reality.
Thankfully it did the trick
Yeah..I only saw this after the Kickstarter had ended and now just have to hope for a general release or to buy a used one. >_>
@@TheDemocrab I believe Stephen said he will be making extras so you are in luck!
The kickstarter is odd, there is no option to actually back the monitor, just the case for the monitor, panel excluded on all of them... so 249 plus almost a year wait for a monitor shell with no panel and some electronics? If i'm reading it wrong, please correct me, can't be the only one reading it that way.. Where does one even find a 19" 4:3 panel these days to stick in there?
I am not serious retro gamer, I do have few old childhood computers and consoles, but all is connectable to the TV. I don't mind so much about quality or such, but I totally like the idea that those who do, have access to something like this.
The old computers are just fascinating as they tell how we reached this far. And they can be real items these days to just decorate your home and use then and now for the nostalgic reasons.
I still miss my Princeton Tec 17” flat screen CRT I got in 2003.
Was like $400 and when we’d LAN and play day of defeat or CS1.5 everyone would end up staring at my screen like “it’s not fair he can see everything better”
Yeah.. that felt good man. Everyone else in my friend group dropped their budget on cases and GPU.. I realized I spent the bulk of my day staring at a bad display so that was goal one.
My uncle got me a hookup.. was a $700 monitor MSRP. Imagine a $700 CRT in 2003 and I guarantee it’s still nicer than you’re thinking.
I have a small channel but I will share this because as an old AMIGA 1200 Guy with emulators installed on my android I loved the idea behind it . 👍 Thank you for the video
I have 2 CRT monitors in my store first time i am feeling proud for them😁 crt is emotion......in 15 dollers they are still available India (used)
Oh, you've unlocked my memories, I need to find that image of the toucan on its monitor. I know I've seen it on an old Amiga puzzle game
This is amazing. I hope it becomes a great success, I really want one! I'm sad that I missed the Kickstarter.
I wish Steve all the luck. I heard about this a little while before the Kickstarter, and checked it out when it launched. I’d love to be able to pick one up down the line. But considering my spouse looks at me side-eyed in regard to my MiSTer, I couldn’t justify the price (to her) with all the add ons I’d want plus shipping. Love the project though.
I wish it had a glossy screen. CRT's had glass covers on them, so it'd make sense for them to be somewhat reflective
True, that's what put me off at first. A matte CRT looking display looks wrong.
Agreed. When I'm spending big bucks it better be glossy. Not like some discount office monitor.
Why make something less effective? Crazy!
@moosic2i it's less effective at emulating a CRT. Matte finish is trash and actually speads the glare over much more of the screen.
@@moosic2i The whole point of this endeavor is to emulate a CRT for a retro look. A gloss screen would at least replicate a flat CRT. Crazy, you think the matte finish looks good in this application.
Finally, someone went and did it a modern retro compatible screen, this is awesome
I make a similar thing. I take old 1080p monitors and place laptop guts in it. Add some cooling, cut some port holes and mount the PSU internally, connected to the original, so it's just one cord. So you get BT, Wifi, and a pretty good experience overall. If you've never had a PC or you like AIOs, it is the ultimate in custom. Now mind you, I make these out of used gear. I pick up used monitors, 32" and larger, and I set it up. To this day I have had only one person ask me to make a high end unit in a 43" 4K TV he had with a gaming laptop. That was awesome. It all varies based on the specs of the TV/Monitor and the computing gear but even the lowest end models I have made (Core2Quad 8200/NVS 250m Mobile GPU in a 27", and it is also why I no longer use 27", too much heat) did their job and played some minecraft and performance mode Fortnite.
Also, Wanted you to know I checked the numbers and you are less than $2k away from goal with 63 hours to go and it was going up as I watched it so, kudos on this video.
If we could get something like this but with a CRT tube instead of the LCD, it would be fantastic, all that I/O with a good 17"/19"/21" CRT tube would be the perfect does-it-all gaming display, I guess you could comprimise with a QD-OLED panel, one that can do 240Hz and BFI as well as integer scaling, but a CRT tube with a modern good quality display driver capable of low lag HDMI/DVI/COMPONENT as well as 31Khz and 15Khz VGA/Scart inputs.
A guy who knows his stuff and loves what he does. Comes through when he speaks. God speed Mr Jones
I've seen that video a couple hours too late. Nice to see the kickstarter has been successful in the end, it sure seems like a wonderful project.
can't believe i'm discovering this project SO LATE, i need this to be my old school runescape monitor
Shame no-one manufactures CRTs anymore, this would be amazing with a tube in it.
Great video, like the look of this monitor, a great choice for retro enthusiasts.
I'm looking forward to when LG offers a 19" 4:3 OLED screen, with a 2880 X 2160 resolution, that runs at 120Hz, with FreeSync down to 30fps, has black frame insertion, extremely low latency, and supports a range of inputs. That would be great to go along with emulated computers and consoles, but for real retro hardware enthusiasts, the monitor in the video seems like a great option and can exist shortly with support.
You don't want "Black Frame Insertion". What you want is for the OLED to fundamentally operate as much like a CRT as possible.
I.e., as the OLED requires no backlight, which traditionally is kept on continuously, the driving circuitry can control exactly when and how long each pixel is lit. All that needs be done is for the OLED panel itself to pulse with an envelope that matches as closely as possible the envelope of the CRT phosphor, instead of by default running in "Sample-and-Hold" mode.
I desperately need this. Hope it gets popular.
i'm really glad that you're saying that "people who are expecting a CRT should manage their expectations". Because in my specific use case i will always go for a Tube. That said this is a really interesting project and i hope this Kickstarter will succeed. saying this is a Retro Gamer/nerd his/her wet dream, is maybe overselling it a bit... but only a bit
it's pretty much the only reason i'm typing a comment cuz every bit of engagement is good i guess.
Cannot thank you enough for this great video and I owe you a coffee or two :-)
This would be a lot easier to back if there were tiers inclusive of the various panel options, and ideally with the various options/accessories as well. I suppose this approach is more cost efficient (reducing KS fees) but it took quite a bit of scrolling to understand what was going on, and I still haven't found an explanatory video mentioned in the pledge. Steve seems like a very genuine person but the campaign feels quite dodgy unless you put time into research. It's a shame because this is exactly the kind of project that KS was made for.
Sadly not possible due to margins and what Kickstarter take.
This is super cool! My retro solution is just an android phone with HDMI output, it can emulate everything up to the GCN but can also stream netflix ect
Congratulations on successful Kickstarter to Steve! I wasn't able to fund for now, but I sure hope with others' funding it will be a great product that will be available to buy later :)
I would so love one of these but, like many, have been hit by a sudden cost of living change. Especially over the last 8 months.
I so hope it succeeds, so I can pick one up later and not have to eat noodles for a few months to afford it.
Totally like the idea of customised input options and more support for like all of the things, but when I scanned the kickstarter, I couldn't actually work out how much it would be, like total cost, but from what I've seen it's a bit out of my price range... £269 for the chassis, but that doesn't include the panel... so it's not a monitor until you have the output panel... to be paid in future? Hmm... but I do like the modular ports thing, and wish more monitor designers would make it so you can choose what connectivity you want, that's cool... but part of my mind niggles that this may have done better as a "connectivity box" than a monitor, or even a board, since it seems to be geared toward people making customisations, so they could put the connectivity boards in monitors they want, rather than being restricted to a single 19" monitor box that you've got to buy the panel for later? Just my thoughts, I hope it's successful for those that want it though.
The "connectivity box" you mentioned already exists... In fact, the input "modules" for this monitor are just already available external devices that have been modularized. Go check out RetroTINK, OSSC, and GBS-Control.
You're paying a steep price for a generic Chinese 1280x1024 LCD panel, and a cheesy retro-looking case.
@@CMskittles Makes sense that they already exist! I'm in total agreement with you, but I think this design idea is good to get back into the minds of designers, since so much stuff is kinda designed "disposable" these days, and becomes useless afterwards, but if you can put in custom modules, you can build a device that will always have what *you* need, just think that's a cool idea, so while this is rather expensive for what it is, I'd like to see more from the "more useful ideas" camp in future, and seems a bunch of people like the idea too, although maybe not the high price :) Have a good day.
I could have used something like this monitor 3 years ago. I remember searching all across the metro area for monitor hardware with similar capabilities and was S.O.L. it's a lot hard to find old sd tech to run older hardware. Hopefully I can snatch one of these up. thanks for the kickstarter link.
It finishes 18th of december? This video was recommended to me on 26th @ 23:30! Excellent product.
The biggest issue with any lcd monitor is the fact there is no phosphor effect for depth, I just think the ideal is to have a shelf of a couple 14-20 inch crt's you collect over time.
@@NintendoDude888 no theyre ugly lol so is rgb signal and most fake scanlines. composite & crt only, you might as well just emulate if youre gonna ruin it.
You could put an aquarium in front of it.
Hopefully, there will be a CRT version of this down the road. The images are MUCH brighter and less blocky. CRT's need to make a comeback. This looks awesome.
crts will not comeback...wake up dude.
O bom do CRT e que nao avisa Essa de campo de visão e eram mais resistentes ,hoje muitas tvs se vc mecher um pouco a imagem que vc esta vendo ja fica toda cagada,e a resistência ja sabe ,se cair pode comprar outra porque caiu ja era essas tvs novas .
I missed the kickstarter, but if this comes out, it will buy one for sure.
We want a 240Hz, 1ms, freesync, VA version of this monitor please!
I already took a look at this project and while it's a commendable effort, I have some HUGE question marks for why it would be a CRT replacement:
(a) CRTs are popular because games were designed to use them, relying on the softening aspect to make mere pixels come to life. ONLY on CRTs or on high resolution screens with shaders you can get this effect.
(b) CRTs can handle a TON of resolutions without impact on image quality.
(c) extreme low latency for e.g. light-gun games
These are the three main reasons to get a CRT even today. Now let's look at this new monitor:
(a) The resolution is an ancient 1280x1024 pixel one which makes it unsuitable for using CRT shaders. At minimum you need a 1440 vertical resolution for the CRT effect to look realistic. For my arcade cabinet I had to settle on a 1920x1200 screen which is the best I could do since 16:10 screens do not exist with a 1440 vertical resolution.
Besides this, this monitor clearly has no on-board shader solution so for using it as a CRT monitor for classic consoles, it will look horribly pixelated
(b) Speaking of horrible, the single resolution will also make the pixels look uneven, especially on higher resolution games. A game played at 800x600 will look terrible (and I had a 1280x1024 LCD screen for years so know what I'm talking about). Using it for any PC retro gaming will be limited to VGA games and even there the pixels will NOT be even in size. For that they should have gone with a 1600x1200 resolution screen (which would have been a far superior choice for so many reasons).
(c) I hear this screen has less latency but still too much for lightgun games ...
So what does this leave us? With a monitor that is a bastard child of both. It's not as flat as an LCD ... and it's not as lightweight. It doesn't have the warm glowy pixels of a CRT, it doesn't have the sharp pixel accurate image. It has a nice retro look ... and I'll accept it has slightly lower latency (if it's true) but I honestly don't see the appeal.
There's many solutions that let you hook up a modern console to a modern TV or screen, some also have very low latency. CRTs are still widely available (I bought two great ones last year and paid peanuts) and while that may change in 10 years, I imagine that in 10 years we'll have OLED high resolution screens that may be able to emulate the CRT look more realistically. Also, any such project REALLY needs on-board 1:1 pixel scaling with black borders - maybe the Mister can do that but I dunno ... . Until it can emulate the strengths of CRT, it's an expensive hybrid that does neither well.
I also find the enthusiasm for this project bizarre, considering what's being sold here is a plastic case, a connectivity box without, as far as I'm aware, a competent upscaler like the Retrotink, and the *option* of adding a cheapo LCD panel inside it for an additional cost. (Incidentally, the 1ms latency figure has been the bugbear of monitor aficionados for years: every manufacturer has claimed it at one point or another and, since there are no standards or regulations in that regard, it's pretty much always turned out to be bullshit. It certainly won't feel as responsive as a CRT-that's just how the technology works.) I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but describing a 300-dollar novelty plastic box as "the future" seems a little bit too bombastic to say the least.
@@FranzKafkaRockOpera Yea it's why I added the "if it's true" about the low latency because I often see it mentioned but the tech just never allowed for it.
I dunno, it's theoretically a cool project if you just want a retro looking LCD but it costs way too much for that and the resolution is just not high enough for me. 1280x1024 is just a bad resolution. Not a single classic resolution fits inside of the vertical aspect with integer scaling.
The thing is, we don't want a modern panel. Modern panels are the problem. The reason we want CRT's is because older games were designed to look good on CRT's. It doesn't look the same on a modern IPS panel.
great idea. I love the modular feature. I would have liked to see the "unicorn panel" in this video as well
I totally want one! Solves my space issues as well.
I may buy one after the final product is reviewed.
I would have thought a box would have been better so you could attach it to any monitor or TV so you are not limited to only using this screen / screen size
Yeah, the modules for this monitor are all just modularized versions of normal external devices built for this exact purpose... Seems kind of silly to me. But I guess people just like the cheesy fake retro looking appearance...
Steve should definitely extend this Kickstarter. Get a monitor to Clint of LGR and watch it smash its goal. Neil of RMC could do with one, too.
Now, I know this will sound naff (because it is), but I think it'd be cool if there were a perspex lens of some sort to put over it to slightly distort the image, give it the curve we all remember. Nothing too aggressive, it's not like old monitors used to be fish bowls, but just a _slight_ curve would help with the illusion. That could be done in software, as well, but then you have the situation where reflections on the screen don't match the geometry of the image, so it might as well be done in an analogue way.
glad somebody covered this
Well a little shame its only 3 days left, would have backed it a week ago. Why hasent this been shown a lot more?? This is such a great idea.
Why a week ago and not now? It's now or never.
Been shown all over for a long time, if you keep up with the retro scene.
I'm hoping that Steve was able to reach out and visit other tech CZcamsrs before the end goal. I guarantee you that Anthony at LTT would have been all over this to do a video collab and help spread the word. I hope it manages to meet it's goals.
I messaged them and got no reply
@@Checkmate1500 Man that stinks. I’m sorry about that. :(
@@Checkmate1500 sucks :(
LTT lol
what happened to your "guarantee", then? ;)
Need a crowdfunding campaign for a ground-up new CRT display, borrowing from the old and redefining the rest as necessary. User can choose the phosphor print granularity and pattern. There are two kinds of CRT enthusiasts: those who cherry pick the functional benefits (contrast ratio, refresh rate) and those who cherry pick the aesthetic benefits (phosphors, pixel obfuscation, glow, persistence, etc.). Why not make a new CRT? Technical difficulties? Advanced, invested manufacturing process? Science and crowdfund the shit out of it. New CRTs, god damn it. Make it so, somehow, please.
4:3 is nice, but without an actual CRT it's the monitor equivalent of emulating with a Raspberry Pi. A big part of the retro experience is the analog, zero-lag display of a CRT.
what a bizarre product. 24ms of lag and all the ghosting, viewing angle, contrast, and clarity problems of LCD to boot. not a good idea to go with this.
EDIT: it doesnt even include a screen?? what is this for then??
if they made this OLED or CRT i'd be sold
(i know that's basically impossible)
OLED is great if you want burn-in, but not so much for anything else, and CRT is well, not going to happen
@@thesteelrodent1796 that's what screen savers are for :)
Why not plasma? I have an older LG TV (40 inch or so) and it positively looks amazing running my NES compared to my newer Toshiba, The colors are rich and deep, I dunno it just looks awesome.
Heavy tho.
@@the_kombinator "Why not plasma?"
Plasma displays haven't been manufactured since 2014.
Love hearing about this a year later.
Wow. I really would like a display like this. I'm glad it's backed, but I wish I had it earlier known. Oh well.
I already predicted sooner or later we'll get 4:3 tv's or monitors like this for connecting your old Super Nintendo and such.
Here is the first one. I suspect we will see more of this since the panels are made anyhow.
The GBS-8200 used to scan double 15khz signals to 31khz costs just £23, there doesn't seem to be much extra functionality for £400-450 (Unicorn panel version). Apart from some additional input methods and a nice looking case I can't see what else this is doing, or am i missing something here? You'd get the same result from an OSSC and any monitor by looks of it. I backed his Amiga case a couple of years ago but can't see the point to this project.
Injection moulding in small numbers = expensive.
You forgot VAT. Another hundred on top.
man i wish there is a some sort of 4:3 OLED panel available on the market.
This is the first video ive seen of yours. Makes me think of LGR With the jazz and the way you speak. You've taken inspiration i assume.
I love when videos about kickstarters pop up in feeds after they're done with lol.
This great desktop wallpaper art was made by Jim Sachs of Cinemaware fame in case you also want to put this on your computer.
Yep! Made for Digital Creations' Brilliance!--used in their ads for it. Excellent DPaint challenger.
Rocket Ranger a very difficult game to complete was released by Cinemaware had elements inspired by the intense use of joystick game controllers previously used in Ocean's Daley Thompson's Decathlon.
@@safirahmed Cinemaware was a US company. I'm sure those controls were inspired by the earlier releases of Konami's Track & Field AKA Hyper Olympic and the 2 months earlier release of Activision's Decathlon--one or both of which was what inspired Ocean's game.
@@RetroDawn The game controllers are one way to burn off the calories and risk RSI. Thanks for the information.