Famicom 3D System - Nintendo's First 3D Hardware / MY LIFE IN GAMING
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- In the episode, Try takes a look at Nintendo's first foray into the world of 3D, predating even the Virtual Boy: the obscure Famicom 3D System, a pair of active shutter 3D glasses that were released only in Japan. He also covers all 8 games that were released for it: 3D Hot Rally, Attack Animal Gakuen, 3D WorldRunner, Rad Racer, JJ, Falsion, Cosmic Epsilon, and Fuuun Shaolin Kyo.
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It's pretty much the same technology as the Master System's 3D glasses, except you don't need to have an incredibly tiny head in order to wear them. :D
It is odd they never used it with the light phaser, or any more 2D games with some parallax to give extra depth (kept thinking of Bounder on the C64 when I wrote that)
Oh, really liked that animation you did to represent the 3D in the Falsion segment, really clever!!!
hey it's guru Larry how you doin buddy .. I enjoy ur show too!
What are you doing here? The technology is outside your sphere of interests (according to the data I gathered from your comments in 2014) did you change your mind regarding technical stuff?
Sorry Larry but you are very wrong about your facts. I am reposting my comment so you don't have to hunt for it:
"Most people seem to forget that Rad Racer (which predated the FC3D) was done in simulated 3D. I believe this was actually Nintendo's first experiment with 3D. It was gimmicky and still is gimmicky. Their release of the 2DS is de facto confirmation of this. The people who don't care for it are hardly a minority of oddballs. Whereas I can use 3D with glasses or goggles, the approach used on the 3DS will give me a migraine in no time flat. I have a condition known as exophoria. I believe the uneducated term is "lazy eye". While I have normal vision performance, the very slight misalignment of the eye gets magnified by the prismatic shutter of the 3DS, causing eye strain and intermittent diplopia (double vision). There is nothing I want less when I am heading into a serious boss battle than to start seeing double! (except for maybe diarrhea, or an asteroid landing on me).
It would be nice to see Nintendo develop their next 3D tech so it can be used with polarization type 3D glasses. As much as 56% of the population may not be able to comfortably use the 3DS technology. It is unlikely the problem is fully known to Nintendo, however, because most people with binocular vision anomalies already know they are not going to do well with the system. Therefore they just simply don't buy them and Nintendo misses out on millions of interested customers."
EDIT: Then there is also the fact that they need user adjustable parallax due to the wide variation people have in their pupilary distance. The 3DS was only "well received" because of confirmation bias.
I remember seeing that Cosmic Epsilon game a while back and finding it's perspective effects to be really impressive. I have no idea how they managed to make your craft look like it was passing under the bridges so smoothly on a Famicom.
Would be cool if a few of these got ported to the 3DS as Retro 3D classics. 3D Hot Rally is surely a prime candidate for that.
Been subscribed to the channel for a few weeks now, and I have to say this is probably the best subscription I have made this year. Your videos are informative, incredibly well made and have an air of nostalgia about them. I can personally feel the love for games that is put into your videos. Keep it up!
[Try4ce] That's exactly what we hope comes across, thanks for the kind words!
i actually loved my virtual boy - it still works like a charm and i boot it up on occasion
also, you guys are great. no lousy jokes, bad puns, obnoxious scenarios or anything
subscribed, thumbs up, etc.
Question? Do you still have eyes
You alright Zixon?
@@cdfactory you don't need to spam
Wow, I'm so happy you came back to this video to double its length with such awesome addendums! : D (Including putting in Parachute Limit, like I brought up. So happy I could be of some use!) My Life in Gaming is a hidden gem on CZcams if ever there was one, and you're a seriously fantastic host. The research you put into these is comprehensive and instantly becomes essential viewing for anyone interested on the topic(s). I think in 3D Hot Rally, Miyamoto was just getting ready for Super Mario 64's bait-and-switch with Peach's painting turning into Bowser's. (Using depth to freak people out when they realize what it is they're really looking at-- as you can see, the bushes smile until they get close enough to the screen, heheh.)
Since my last comment, I spent the last half-year buying and translating Masaya Matsuura's first game called The Seven Colors, and I'm going to be putting out my translated copy of the game, along with a video retrospective of his life transitioning from being a pop star making songs like Parachute Limit to making games like Vib-Ribbon & PaRappa the Rapper. : ) Extreme gratitude for all the inspiration, and keep rockin'!
+HomeStarRunnerTron [Try4ce] Ah ha! So you were the one who pointed that out! I'm sorry I couldn't remember who it was to have credited you! This was definitely the big addition that I felt needed to be added to the existing entries. I listened to the song so many times after reading your comment, it's just so freaking catchy! :)
Try thank you so much for putting the effort in and adding in double the games shown on the episode on rerez!!! You really didn't have to do that but I'm so glad you did!! And yes jj does look a lot like big boss from metal gear, I thought so too.
I have been searching for this video again for god knows how long, I saw it once at random while binge watching CZcams videos and focused it during the cosmic epsilon part, when you mention the music for the first stage, no idea why but the music really made me feel a certain way then, and when you showed psy s and the actual song that was covered I fell in love with their music, but sadly had forgotten about this video. It always lingered in the back of my mind about a video game song that covers my now favorite song ever but I could never remember for the life of me, I’m so glad I finally found out again!
Excellent as usual; you guys are doing an amazing job. This channel is becoming one of my favorites. Keep it up!!
I'd like to see you do a video looking at the Sega Mater System 3D glasses.
hey guys! it's the game over worm!
Man this stuff is really well done. You are clearly really passionate about these vids. Subbed.
I had somehow gone 31 years without knowing this accessory existed until today. It's so cool to see how long this has been a passion for Nintendo. I'm so excited to see them experiment more with AR and VR over the coming years. Thanks for putting this video together!
Another great video. Thank you. Looking forward to more. You guys don't disappoint.
Very cool! Great video thanks for showing this off!
"I didn't finish, and I would imagine it would frustrate me to no end"
Thanks for a great video - just. awesome. I'm a big VR fan, so I actually asked Chat-GPT for a history and breakdown of stereoscopic imagery and it mentioned the 3D Mania and Famicon system. Really appreciated and enjoyed 🤓🙏
Cosmic Epsilon does have a stage select cheat: enter the Konami Code backwards on the title screen quickly.
(or enter it the right way a joke :D )
I really likes your intro.. It makes me glad.. ;)
Great video! As per usual! I knew of the existence of the 3-D system, but never really looked into what it was like or what games were available on it.
Just wanted to let you know that I really enjoy your style of video making. Straight, direct, and to the point, giving us plenty of in-depth information and detail, along with your own personal opinions, without trying to be too flashy or relying on odd little cartoons/meme references (like some of the younger guys on CZcams!).
One subject I'd love to see you investigate would be the advent of piracy on some of these older consoles. Growing up in the 80s, I knew one or two friends whose parents had certain dodgy connections to people who sold them systems which allowed them to back up Nintendo games onto floppy disk, four example, even before the Internet was around, and it always fascinated me.
+Jon Turner [Try4ce] Thanks! And yeah, early days of piracy is kind of something I have wondered about, how all that even got started in the first place... I've never really known what kind of equipment was used in the early days to dump the ROMs, and such.
***** As far as I can remember, the SNES variant that I saw personally was basically a SNES cartridge-header type interface which lead via some kind of cable (maybe just an IDE or floppy?) to a standalone floppy drive. I wondered whether the transfer was unidirectional, i.e. the console only able to read *from* the floppy, and game dumps done with another piece of hardware/a computer, but then that would mean game saves weren't possible so perhaps it was bi-directional...! I'd be interested to see what, if anything, you could find out! :-)
Awesome Video editing there!
I freaking love your videos. !!!! Such a good job.
Hands down the best channel on youtube. Dare I say the best thing since sliced bread.
That interview with Nasir and the camera guy lol 😂
Awesome I just learned about the famicom 3D system so this really clarifies a lot of stuff
I want to see more games being made with 32 or even 64GB carts to show what COULD HAVE BEEN if we had basic unlimited storage back in the 90s
Fun fact - PSY.S is Masaya Matsuura's band - the game designer that made Parappa the Rapper!
I remember the 3D Hot Rally references in Smash Bros, but never would've guessed it was part of actual 3D hardware predating the Virtual Boy. Keen gear! Thanks for sharing
Rad Racer is a totally underappreciated NES classic. I wish that Nintendo would release a 3D adaptation of the original on the 3DS.
I loved owning one and used it from time to time to show friends always a conversational piece.
Virtual Boy that is... sorry Ive been busy making vids.
"automatic isn't my specialty:
Those are called manual transmissions, the opposite of automatic.
Mistake in the script
@@RallyLancer95 It's funny, I remember they put an annotation there to correct the mistake but of course CZcams decided to kill those off despite their usefulness.
Nice intro man! And great content... Subscribing
I love it when Try says "Whoa Ho ho!" in his videos like he is still a kid.
It's a shame the games aren't too great. With things like Google cardboard making VR readily available it'd be neat to see an emulator for this.
It would be more involved than that, as instead of giving each eye a simultaneous image, it rapidly changes which eye sees the screen, adapting this to work with modern headsets would be a pretty involved process to adapt it
all your videos are so fantastics, make remember my childhood, thanks so much and the music intro its so awesome, grettings from Tabasco, mexico, please make some tutorials for modd console like psx n64 and so, thanks
I also loved my virtual boy. The joystick was one the best feeling controller pads! That and the ascipad for snes
min 3:15 you nailed that example of the 3d effect...combined with a little bit of MJ it looks like you don't even need any 3d glasses #420 #wow #dogerules
3d World Runner is one of the hardest game but one of the best once you become really good at it.
True Story about 3D World Runner to me as a kid. Back then I probably had godlike playing skills as a kid so this game I literally finished all the way from start to finish. It was probably something I couldn't repeat doing anymore but when I made it to the final world and defeated the last boss, The game flashed after it died and a screen came up that said "Please Insert Disc 2". Suffice to say I just sat there and stared at it for a 2nd, tossed my controller down and walked away.
Interesting... I remember another 3D game not depicted here. I cant remember the name, but it was a tod down shooter, space themed, where one of the buttons mad your ship fly higher or lower (bigger/smaller without the glasses) (That was the "3d part").
14:30 The chorus of "Parachute Limit" begins exactly like "Gusty Garden" from Super Mario Galaxy soundtrack
[Try4ce] Yeah! Pretty crazy, right? Whether intentional or not, I bet there was at least some subconscious influence going on there.
wish i had one and ill someday look into it.. i will say ive played the 3d nes square ganes rad racer and both 3d world runner games on a modern day active 3dtv set and it was neat also when lol as you demonstrate sort of.. i added a red blue pair of tints over the flashing glasses and well not a lot but .. i got some rather interesting effects again .. cool in the geekiest possible way.
Wow had no clue this existed! Thanks
I remember playing Rad Racer with shitty 3d glasses. Also I played my uncle's 3d sega master system with Space Harrier. That was pretty cool.
Pushing the famicom to its limits, nice
16:33 Ranma Saotome with no pigtail vs Ryoga Hibiki with no headband?
Jarrah White | Well I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought of that.
I love your videos !!
Try, excellent video. May I suggest a follow up to the Retroactive HDMI N64 adapter now that it's out in the wild? Some gameplay side-by-side shots comparing RGB and the HDMI with de-blur and fraction sharp pixels options enabled? I simply cannot get enough of the HDMI N64, it is absolutely incredible. I cannot believe my own eyes. I am replaying all of my old N64 games.
+8bitDNA [Try4ce] This is definitely something I am considering. My own N64 should be coming back my way soon, but I'm not sure when I could get around to a dedicated video on the subject.
These look like fun games to experience. 👍
Man, some of these older videos really deserve more views.
I loved my virtual boy as a kid. I haven't played it in about 20 years, but I guarantee I'd still love it now if I fired it up.
Amazing!
The way 3D works for this is the same as must 3D cinema projectors + glasses. I can't believe how old the tech is.
Fun fact; because the 1925 silent film "The Phantom of the Opera" was films with two side by side cameras at slightly offset angles, it is possible to screen it in 3D. Even when the technology didn't exist, it kind of existed.
Cosmic Epsilon looks great!
Also, I couldn't help but notice the prevalence of a lot of on-rails 3-D shooters in this series… obviously the Super Nintendo and the likes of Starwing (Starfox to you!) followed shortly after this hardware, and It made me wonder about both the popularity of the style of forward moving shooters in Japan, and also whether or not we'll see virtual reality StarFox in the future…! I can't help but wonder if Nintendo's next console (the NX) will feature a VR component....!
14:44 That's a Ziggurat pyramid in the background
2:11 PUT AN EPILEPSY WARNING HERE, I AM HIGHLY PRONE TO SIESURES!
and at 2:54
@@ellaquin sounds like you need a safe place in your parents basement for the next 50 years.
I forgot, People thought the Virtual Boy was to be a portable system since it used the "boy" element (I remember working at Electronics Boutique and being asked how it was portable when it covered your eyes, a lot.) I think Nintendo didn't learn from their naming mistakes with the confusion Wii U had with people thinking it was an Add-on for Wii versus naming it Wii 2.
[Try4ce] I still feel like Nintendo themselves probably had some misguided notion that the Virtual Boy might be portable. I don't think they had a clear vision for how and where people would use it at all. Good point on the naming scheme. Nintendo is pretty hit-or-miss in that regard. They have a bad habit of trying to ride on the coattails of their own success by giving new products similar names to their most recent hits, and it kinda just doesn't work.
I thought the Virtual boy WAS intended as a portable device. I'm sure I remember on the Angry Video Game Nerd episode he showed an advertisement in Nintendo Power (maybe) showing somebody using it lying down in the grass outside. I maybe mistaken though but I did think they marketed and intended it as a portable device.
The Disk System game Gyruss from Konami is also 3D System compatible.
Any idea how to get the 3D to work?
6:27 TOO SPOOPY 4 ME
3D Hot Rally looks interesting.
Funny you are releasing this on the day I started a playthrough of Uncharted 3 - for the first time in 3D.
+Michael Wieczorek [Try4ce] Heh, you know, I totally forgot about that spat of 3D support for the PS3. Never did get a chance to play any of them on a 3D-capable TV.
If you like Cosmic Epsilon you should check out Tetra Star: The Fighter, a very similar game which is is made by the same people with a lot of improvements and a fun story, though they took the 3D out.
Seems like it could have a lot of potential for homebrew games.
really wish they would have found a way to show us the raw look of the 3d effect
I wish they released the Famicom 3D System games on the 3DS with the 3D effect adapted for it, that would be neat! At the very least they could release 3D Hot Rally and maybe the square games if Square Enix is willing to...
+Ruko Michiharu Virtual Boy games too: if nothing else, Virtual Boy Wario Land is a full-blown and pretty good Wario Land game that few people have ever played.
Adam Zey That could be nice too, but well, if they did it it would be better if they gave us an option to have it in black and white instead of black and red...
4:57 oh I first thought they were arguing with each other
That game is "風雲少林拳 - 暗黒の魔王" (Fūunshōrinken - ankoku no maō).
Since you were talking about scaling, i was wondering if those 3D games uses scaling trough software,or does it uses multiple sprites for 3D effects?
I ask this because backthen memory was expensieve.
Note i heard that radar scope uses sprite scaling for sprites on a 8bit system dating back to 1979,in fact i am amezed that even the snes lacks sprite acaling alltrough the snes can do it trough software ,
so you might expect that games such as mario kart,f zero etc,,, uses sprite scaling trough software to save memory space,unless am wrong.
THX
+johneygd [Try4ce] To be honest, I don't actually know what specific kind of technique it's doing. I imagine it's something similar to what you see in Genesis games like Road Rash, but it's crazy to me that the NES can even do something like this. Though I'm sure the SNES method is easier (and results in smoother gameplay and overall better visuals), I do feel like something was lost by abandoning this primitive technique... it's pretty neat, especially considering the age of the hardware. I honestly never played games like Rad Racer or any of these back in the day, so seeing stuff like this running on an NES/Famicom is a relatively new experience for me. Sorta blows my mind.
That Konami one almost seems like a precursor to the SNES's Axelay (a much under-appreciated game, imo).
Ok I need this
when you thought you knew all the consoles that were released years back , somebody always shows you otherwise . So , in 2023 I discover Famicom 3D system
[Try4ce] It's not a console even though it's called "system," it's an accessory for the Famicom.
Those are cool. Way better than the old red and blue 👓🕶️ we got with the likes of rad racer and 3d world runner!
If you captured from the NES RGB mod, how did you create the scanline effect when zoomed in very close to the screen? Was it some after effects filter, or did you shoot footage of a CRT?
+Jim Leonard [Try4ce] That was footage shot directly off a CRT. :) My PVM, which I just recently got, and is in the background!
Awesome. I've had a jvc broadcast monitor for a decade; the broadcast world's loss is our gain :-)
I appreciate the crazy amount of post production in your videos. You guys are nailing it.
15:32 watch out for Lavos.
6:39 spooky scary skeletons and shivers up your spine
just remembered back to when I was a kid, I had a sicker on my dresser that was nearly identical to Mario and Luigi on the cover of 3d Hot Rally but with a red and green car. If I can find a picture to confirm, I will, but do you possibly know what it was from? I grew up in NJ, no where near Japan, might've been from Nintendo Power or something, but I haven't seen that image in over 20 years, cool stuff.
+Ennui Go Jarred [Try4ce] That's pretty neat! I guess it's not surprising that there would be artwork like that used. Mario was everwhere... my mom used to make cloth book covers for my school books using fabric with Mario printed on it, and he was driving cars and flying planes... so it makes sense that there would be stuff like that, even if there was no game over here associated with it. I don't think I had anything with that particular image, but I can't remember for sure.
How would that old-school 3d work with 3d tvs?
Most people seem to forget that Rad Racer (which predated the FC3D) was done in simulated 3D. I believe this was actually Nintendo's first experiment with 3D. It was gimmicky and still is gimmicky. Their release of the 2DS is de facto confirmation of this. The people who don't care for it are hardly a minority of oddballs. Whereas I can use 3D with glasses or goggles, the approach used on the 3DS will give me a migraine in no time flat. I have a condition known as exophoria. I believe the uneducated term is "lazy eye". While I have normal vision performance, the very slight misalignment of the eye gets magnified by the prismatic shutter of the 3DS, causing eye strain and intermittent diplopia (double vision). There is nothing I want less when I am heading into a serious boss battle than to start seeing double! (except for maybe diarrhea, or an asteroid landing on me).
It would be nice to see Nintendo develop their next 3D tech so it can be used with polarization type 3D glasses. As much as 56% of the population may not be able to comfortably use the 3DS technology. It is unlikely the problem is fully known to Nintendo, however, because most people with binocular vision anomalies already know they are not going to do well with the system. Therefore they just simply don't buy them and Nintendo misses out on millions of interested customers.
I wonder if the glasses would work with the Master System.
0:12 just the weird controllers
I still enjoy the Virtual Boy
Love your lazy susan rig, Try4ce!
+ChrisKewl [Try4ce] It's actually a motorized turntable! However, the round wood surface on top actually IS a lazy susan, ha. The footage with the stuff spinning on top of it was actually shot a while ago. I just got a PVM, and you might notice a little wood platform just underneath... that's where it is now! Thought it might be handy to be able to turn it.
+My Life in Gaming Indeed, I saw you doing your setup last week live. I am on the hunt for a PVM or BVM as well, though my space is limited.
Wow I thought this thing didn’t get released
Will the famicom 3d system work with a 60hz compatible pal crt?
+Jordan Davies [Try4ce] I am not positive, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't, if Famicom game's look like normal on it.
Aka, Opp's All Space Harrier
I'm curious, how does it stand against the Master System 3d glasses? Aaaannnddd with the second to last title...this hurts as I am a huge Sega fan.. kills the 3d glasses on the Master System. That looked like flat out Mode 7 on an Nes with actual scaling enemies. I wonder what they added into the Cart to give the Nes the ability to pump that out.
Think about it this way, the Master System was a superior machine in every way and could not do that. The Genesis actually can through sheer brute force but it cannot do it without truly committing a considerable amount of power from the Genesis...that game truly blew me away.
Cosmic Epsilon seemed to achieve those effects with the help of the MMC3 chip. Easy to pull off that kind of magic when an extra chip adds processing power to the host machine.
Awesome video, and while it is cool to see this from a technical standpoint, I've never been a big fan of 3D anything since I was born blind in my right eye, it makes it so I can't really see 3D that well, hell even the 3DS Pilotwings Demo gave me a headache, and made my eyes hurt only after a couple of mins playing it. So I'll avoid ever picking one of these up.
Rad Racer is awesome! JJ is definitely better than World Runner. Like you I really enjoyed the Virtual Boy. We made custom holdsters to strap it on your head and two legs to rest against your chest. I think if they took that approach it would of been better. As for the F3DS, Wasn't this one of the things that lead to the seizure lawsuits in JP (and the US.) Much like the warning of using 3D on the 3DS if a child is under 8 due to it hurting their eye development. (which is 1-7/8.)
Also I am shocked you have such a nice quality F3DS. This is when Nintendo started learning add-ons weren't the way to go (F3DS, Robo, SFC Playstation...) Especially after sega had problems with the Sega CD. The 32X is a totally different story.
[Try4ce] I found an eBay seller that somehow had a stock of several new-in-box 3D System units that actually weren't very expensive. Seemed smart to just go for it!
Wow! I would have bought two just to keep one in the box haha. Also I love that it shows the adventurous side of Square which died with the PS1.
Okay, I want a Cosmic Epsilon reboot.
+Red Ronin IX [Try4ce] Doesn't it look kind of amazing? It's got some really cool designs, and it's a great technical showcase. I just wish the gameplay had been balanced a lot better. It would easily be a top-tier Famicom game if only it were a lot more fair.
+My Life in Gaming
That game really has no business looking that good on that console. Makes me wish Sega would have put more effort into their super scaler games on the Master System and Genesis.
Someone should make an emulator for this that runs in VR and lets modern gamers actually get a very good idea of what these games would have looked like back in the day.
In theory. it should be possible to make the games work with modern 3D shutter glasses via an emulator, but it's probably not worth the effort.
aside from the original famicom, does the 3D System work with any of variants of the Famicom?
Like the Twin Famicom or AV Famicom?
[Try4ce] It will work with any system that has the extension port. I was using it with an RGB modded AV Famicom for this episode.
@@mylifeingaming Ok, thanks!
You sound exactly like Tom hanks.
7:40
Hello. The Fuuun Shaolin Game is wrong in the description. It is Fuuun Shaolin Ken: Ankoku no Maou. The game Fuuun Shalion Kyo is the 1st game and dont have 3D. The two of them are on FDS.
Virtual boy is amazing... if only I had one.
damn how did you get Tom Hanks to narrate your video.
At 2:55 Put the videp in 480p
TACOS!
was cool to here the retron 5 menton alot..im hi in my retron 5..
This is really cool! Wish the games worked a bit better with the 3D. They still seem fun without them, though. -Matt