Super SD System 3 - SD Card Reader for PC-Engine & Super CD-ROM / MY LIFE IN GAMING
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- The Super SD System 3 from TerraOnion allows you to play PC-Engine and TurboGrafx-16 ROMs and CD-ROM images on real hardware, making for one of the most interesting developments in the Optical Disc Emulation scene. But that's not all, let's dig in and see what thing thing can do!
NOTE: As of FIrmware update 1.2, the CD-ROM audio level has been fixed. If you have a unit, be sure to update!
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"Now can someone get on to making something like this for the Sega CD" Was almost like he knew ;)
I just saw your random plug of my retro TurboRip, thanks couryc! Nice review video overall for the device! You plugged our Ys IV: Dawn of Ys localization project, also appreciated! It's the only project I'm still proud of (the rest were poisoned by XSEED Games), I plan an update for it eventually...
[Try4ce] It's not a marketing video, but thanks, Coury is a huge fan of those Ys projects.
@@mylifeingaming Ah, well, I didn't mean marketing in a bad way, I felt it objective an adjective and you genuinely liked the product so can't fault you. I understand you wanna point out you review products fairly and honestly. Anyway, yeah, thanks again for the honorable mention! :)
Very informative on the PC ENGINE. I know literally nothing about the system and may start collecting for it someday so this is nice to hear although I will have to watch this video several times because I don't know anything about files and such. It's a good thing that you made the instructions in this episode so crystal clear. Thank you.
Those load time improvements are amazing! It's nice to see this product is continuing to improve. Thanks for taking a close look at it.
Fantastic in-depth review as always. Nice work, Coury!
Omg I've learned so much with your channel. Yes it was very costly but so worth it. lol I have a n64 ultra hdmi kit on the way. But most interesting is that I have all my systems now modify and all RGB modified like snes, turbo duo rx and my nes by kevtris and the win mod. Watching your channel has changed my gaming collection to a whole new level. I've got the framemeister and the hydra 8 selecter. Omg your channel seems to be a god sent on retro gaming makeovers. But!!! I just purchased a Atari jaguar and I'd love to see how to get the best video for it and the 3do and I think I'm completely done. Thank you guys so much!!! I love when people come over and don't know what the framemeister is and when then know even what a scary cable is. I always say my life in gaming" change my life".!!
Glad you covered the video display right away, because that is exactly what I was curious about.
You guys make such amazing videos! I never miss one.
Thanks for this GREAT video! I've been holding off on getting a PC Engine, but now I think the time is right...
15:58 This isn't a speed issue at all; the second man is just so mad that the first "hasn't a clue as to the ladies in question" that he breaks the fabric of reality.
I hate it when that happens.
Once again great quality video guys! Keep up the good work!
The PC Engine is more popular now then it was then.
thank you for this informations, it's incredible to have RGB out + cd rom & super rom emulator on this system
Very cool! This is definitely a nice upgrade for the Turbo, even with the kinks still needing ironing out. Looks like it was a bit of a rushed launch that they're thankfully working to make good on.
Thank you for that last line!! I hope TerraOnion watches this great feature you guys put together, and decide to take that last request on themselves. :)
Voultar had a field day modding the crap out of his super SD System 3 SD card reader getting the wiring properly for RGB video LOL
BeAsT1x5 that also was a v1 board he was messing with.
This is actually really cool. I really like that Coury is really informative about the topic and keeping his personal opinion out of it. Try (in the game boy episode) was really annoying about the revo k101. Saying the screen wasn’t high quality. I bet he just didn’t like t cause it wasn’t the original
With Sherlock Holmes the first glitches are like, "unplayable? Thats really not too bad!" And then it turns into a Merzbow video.
Wow, great review. Very informative, thanks!
16:00 WHOA FMV JUMPSCARES
Great video, and great technical informations too :D
Ah after I RGB modded, region switch modded, recapped, and jailbar fixxed my Turbo Duo to do everything (coupled with an Krikkz Everdrive for those $$$ Hu cards). If I saw this ahead of time Id be so much more excited. Still...I have an American TG16 that I would like to try this on just for. Voultar put together a quick chip solution to help fix some issues with this and test, so in the near future I will put it through the ringers. Still, excellent video guys as usual and TerraOnion, you're a genius!
I wish the other flash carts put time into making their menus look that good. I know it's secondary to functionality, but it's really nice when you compare it to a plain black screen with white text.
You made a great point at the end, a Mega Drive variant would be nuts.
Great episode guys!
Great episode guys! amazing!!
Love the closing line Coury!
Thanks for the Sega CD shout out. I was thinking the same thing.
Excellent video. Bravo.
A must have for those who don't have the luxury of a DUO. Great job!
I absolutely love my Mega SD. I was an SNES kid, but my brother and I bought a Genesis model 2 after a summer of yard work to save money. We never had many games for it, maybe 4 total, but it expanded what we could rent from Blockbuster. Then our genesis sat in a box in our parents' house for about 20 years. Then, last summer (2019) I asked my brother if I could have it and he was fine with it, so I took it to my house, bough some component cables from HD Retrovision, and got a Mega SD. It won't be long before I put in more time on that old model 2 than I did as a kid.
I have never owned a PC engine. I've never even played a real one. I had one friend as a kid who briefly owned a TurboGrafx 16, but promptly sold it to buy an SNES when that came out. I was well in my 30s the first time I ever played a PC Engine game, and that was on my Japanese Retro Freak clone console that will play PC Engine games off real Hu Cards or an SD Card and output 720p over HDMI. It's compatible with real controllers too, but I don't own any. The glaring flaw with the Retro Freak's PC Engine emulation is that there is absolutely no way to play any CD based games (though it does play the, what? 5? 6? SuperGrafx games). While you can get a full Sega Genesis experience without any of the Sega CD games, the CD titles for the PC Engine are where that console really shined. Arguably, most of the best PC Engine games were on CDs. I can emulate them on my PC, but I'd prefer real hardware.
After buying my Mega SD, and enjoying the Sega CD for the first time, I learned about the Super SD System 3. Again, I don't own a PC Engine, but I've seen for sale on Japanese auction sites going for around $60. If I'm going to pay $300 for a Super SD System 3, an extra $60 for a PC Engine is a no brainer. And you're arguably getting a lot more with the Super SD System 3 than with the Mega SD since the CD games are the main draw of the PC Engine library. And that it will work with the HD Retrovision component cables I already bought for my Genesis (and use with my Saturn) makes this a purchase I'm seriously considering making.
At the moment of writing this, Terraonion is sold out of Super SD System 3s, but I hope this is temporary. Maybe they are making a new batch that solves those audio and loading issues mentioned in this video.
Thanks 🙏 really enjoyed!
This will be a nice addition to my Phoebe-equipped Saturn and USB-GDROM-equipped Dreamcast. Definitely echo the sentiment at the end of the video - must-have for Sega CD!
The video problems I can work around. I already have the C-sync Genesis 2 cable from Retro Access, and then my VA4 Genesis 2 came with another one. So I have the spare just sitting around.
It's probably a safe bet that the Sega/Mega CD is Terraonion's next project. I really hope so, anyway.
I love my SSDS3 and it can only get better as time goes on.
Love the metal gear / sonic sound effects when doing regular windows stuff.
Interesting stuff!
That's an interesting audio problem. It looks like there's too much gain, resulting in clipping.
At $300 there are no excuses for substandard video and audio quality.
charvelgtrs Tell that to NEC, the PC Engine and his damn jailbars.
Lets hope future firmware updates and hardware revisions can eventually justify it's high price point.
I'm not talking about jailbars. I'm talking about the Super System 3 Video and Audio issues.
I emphatically disagree. It's a unique product made by a tiny outfit and *far* cheaper to buy than the equivalent hardware it replicates - and that's before you spend the time / money on necessary mods and recapping it all. It's still a bargain even if current versions may need a little tinkering to get their audio and RGB video optimal - and don't forget that it is a high end product made for a long dead vintage console. Multinational electronics corporations would never in a trillion years green light production of a device like this, a device made for a group of enthusiasts who fully understand that its production will never yield large economies of scale for the manufacturer as well as being a fundamentally risky endevour.
Its not a high end product if it comes with obvious flaws. If this was $100 I'd be less hard on it, but at $300 it better perform as advertised.
Love my SSDS 3! But someone listen to Coury! We need a Sega CD ODE!
YES! I would love one for my genesis. There's a lot of sega cd games i would love to play. but the OG hardware is far too expensive. Also, too many of the cd drives have hardware issues. Dead motors, dead optical readers, dead components.
That's probably difficult considering the sega cd also had chips inside of it to help with things like scaling and rotation. In comparison, the PC Engine cd is literally just a cd rom drive.
Well we got one now
@@TheMetaldudeX Soon to be two, as Krikzz also announced his work on a Sega CD solution as well.
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Wow! DIdn't know this existed. Very cool.
Having one for the Sega CD would be amazing. I've been wanting to get a Sega CD for my Genesis, but most listings on eBay always are sold with a Genesis attatched. Even if they are sold as just the CD Unit, they go for a lot.
And ripping the ROMs off of a CD isn't too hard. Although getting the BIOS legally is difficult.
Had to order one. Hopefully they can fix that audio issue via firmware update. Looking forward to using this with one of my PC engines and it will keep me from killing my cdrom drive over time. Were getting some very cool stuff lately to help our retro consoles last another 20-30 years or more.
Such a great product and well worth the money. Using this with my SuperGrafx via RGB. I have no jail bars nor sound issues. Awesome!!!
[Coury] Thats what I'm doing as well. There was a bit of speculation going around at first that noise issue manifested differently on different consoles. I did a side by side comparison between a PC Engine, TG-16 and SuperGrafx, and while the noise was the same, I felt that the SuperGrafx was a touch sharper.
What cable are you using?
Oscar Fabiano Lotti
Some RGB cable for Genesis 2 I bought from retro-consoles via eBay a while back.
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Maybe I got lucky with my SuperGrafx. Lol. Seriously though, I have zero issues with mine. Bought it about a year ago and it’s in flawless condition. Maybe previous owner got it recapped? Not sure but boy am I glad I bought it. Paid $250 shipped so not too shabby. Thanks for replying, love the videos. Keep up the great work guys!!!
Lol the glitched FMV at 15:55 is like watching a laserdisc
I love your intro music.
What a time to be alive!
Turbo CD games!!?? I'm sure glad I held off on getting a Turbo Everdrive!
I was thinking the same thing but remembered I still want an Everdrive for my Turbo Express.
You guys all act like you haven't heard of emulation.
@@jeremyjohnson5527 Have you actually watched this channel...? The whole point of this is "Getting the best out of your console and games." For competitive players, and speedrunners, you might be tethered to console for lag reasons, or for competition rules. Everyone here is aware of emulation, yes, but there will never be an emulator completely accurate enough to get Delay, Hardware Quirks, and Speed exactly right on any setup. But hardware, even FPGA clones? Nearly always perfect, minus issues between hardware revisions (TMSS anyone?)
That part where he had to find out there was an audio problem not by hearing it, but by viewing a waveform really had me shaking my head. Not for me, but def a cool product.
I appreciate the MGS menu sound FX 8:35
Glad to have it ! Indeed ... (i have 1st board on the case , but i don't mind because lord Voultar have a solution for improve the video quality on RGB signal of this beauty) . Peace !
It would be so cute to have a tiny model 1 style Sega CD device like this that fit onto the model 2 Genesis. As far as I've read the CD attachment is more than a standard add on, like it is for PCE or Jaguar. It seems it is almost an entire console to itself.
Wish they could have added hdmi support. Still pretty cool though.
Rad2x sega genesis cable
That's rather impressive too!
This’ll make having a PC Engine worthwhile. I am thinking about buying a PC Engine (not TurboGrafx-16!) and investing into a Super SD System because I want to be able to play everything I’ve ever wanted.
I knew Coury would be excited about this the minute I heard about the project...
Great information and video as usual. This device is cool but PC Engine / SuprGrafx CD ROM emulation is so good across the board (as far as my experience goes - including arcade card games like Saphire) that i'm perfectly happy with that, even on cheap android based devices with HDMI out it works like a dream and there's none of those video noise issues. This is only the view of someone who's not desperate to own PC Engine hardware of course.
Which emulators for Windows?
I'm surprised your Cosmo Fantasy was that slow. I used that game to adjust my laser, and didn't experience that much delay unless it wasn't calibrated correctly.
Granted, the SSDS3 can be argued to be a worthwhile investment so you don't have to adjust lasers, but I think it's time for a replacement. Good news, they're still available new, and cheap!
I am a simple man, I see new video I watch.
I like it how the composite lead has a load of dust on the connector. lol.
I recently bought one of these mod units for my TurboGrafx-16. After several tests and fidgeting around, I just couldn't get it to work. On the outside, everything seemed fine. The console turned on with no issue, and the light on the side of the SSDS3 was working. Upon further inspection, however, it seems the SSDS3, when inserted, bends some of the contacts in the console's expansion port. Whether this is because the pins are flat out not making it into the contacts of the SSDS3, or these pins are supposed to bend is unknown to me. After carefully straightening the pins in the expansion port with a flat head, and numerous attempts, the most I could ever get out of the mod unit was a blank white screen. Considering how few people actually own the SSDS3, I wouldn't be surprised if my problem is unique.
Is there something I'm missing here?
Could my micro SD card have anything to do with this problem?
Is the SSDS3 incompatible with the TurboGrafx-16?
I'm really at a loss here, and I especially want to enjoy this unit. Hopefully you guys, or someone out there can see this and help me out. Thanks.
I’m resigned that the RGB 101 about the Og Xbox will be made after the Gamate episode.
Would love to see a new FPGA Turbo ED 3.0 card with ISO loading from Krikzz at a lower price point.
That’s not possible. It’d have to be a rear addon. Also the equivalent product, the SD2SNES is pretty close to this in price.
I really like what this foreshadows for the future of retro gaming preservation, but I can't swallow that price when it's as much as an authentic Turbo Duo.
I ordered mine after watching a livestream Voultar did. Yeah, I feel in love with it. They are still making v2s so my order is delayed :(
I had one of these on my to-buy list for my TG16 as I'm getting everything set up, but decided to go with a recapped RGB modded Duo with an Everdrive instead. Meant I had to go buy CDRs for the first time in years, though.
Dustin Carter I’m currently using the same setup with a Framemeister and don’t see enough reasons to move to using an SSD instead.
7:45 music Is from Gunstar Heroes on SMD ?
Looks promising but I will have to wait for most of those issues to be resolved before I decide to get one in place of my current setup.
didnt know there was still so many issues. hopefully all can be ironed out with firmware updates. I may way awhile more before getting this addon for the reasons stated in this video.
I hope they can go solid state for the Dreamcast
Brahim Ruño on last night's stream Coury and I believe also Try said they got GDEMUs :)
SherudoPaulson
I just got one in the latest round and am super stocked :D
They do... GDEmu and USB-GDRom. I went USB-GDROM.
Also removed one of the regulators on the power supply (found it on a reddit forum) and it reduced the extra heat that would have been voltage for the GD motor.
If they could make it 100% solid state, then it would last forever. Imagine it just keeping cool without fans, woaah. I also have the USB-GDROM and it's awesome; the guy who makes it is, however, not so awesome.
ODE's already exist for Dreamcast, so it would be pointless for TerraOnion to make one.
1. I am actually thinking spending some cash on this. How is the RGB. im hearing some lacking quality. is that correct? I dought Ill even care. They really should of made it a hdmi adapter and it upscales. IDK really i got a framemeister. This thing seems to be the one im going for since it plays the cd games better and better loading times and plays the regular games so no need for a everdrive. any side effect if the system is already rgb modded for the turbo graphics? Do i still need a regan mod?
2. I been reading there coming out more devices that plays the games. one that plays the cd games from the hue card slot somehow. I may see how that roles out.
3. I am hearing that the turbo graphics or pc engine don't need recapping right. I don't have the know how in soldering or know anyone who will do it for a reasonable price.. but the duo does need all this stuff done to it like recap and other mod work.
4. I was told by a couple of guys to get a fully modded duo. IDK. i kinda don't want to collect. and ripping the cd games i hear is a pain and ill still need a everdrive.
5. Can someone help me out and answer my questions.
one year later, your prayers for a sega cd solution were answered!
I have a modded TG16. Is there any way to use my normal SCART cable and pull audio from the super system sd 3 for CD games?
[Try4ce] My PC Engine Interface Unit mod uses a bigger DIN. I don't know if your SCART is the right size or wiring for it. It's possible, but I don't know.
A dream come true! No need to shell out for a duo! Or deal with finding a system card
> Can someone get on making something like this for the Sega CD?
YES PLEASE!
2:03 was this sound from duck hunt or radar lock? im not sure...
I wonder, is it possible to do a rgb to S-video conversion without lag for those of us with s video only? Im having trouble finding proper info online
[Try4ce] I don't think it should introduce any lag, but sadly not many devices perform this conversion, if any! I agree, it would be very handy, but I've never run across it.
I kept noticing a Saturn RAM cart beside your SuperGrafx and it kept throwing me off lol
The Sega Megadrive and Genesis NEED a solution like this!
Analogue will be making an FPGA Genesis soon.
That would be awesome, but think of how much it could cost. I love the FPGA approach for preserving old consoles and games, but I am worried about how pricey some systems can get. Look at the Nt mini.
The Nt Mini's price is mostly due to its fancy aluminum case, not the FPGA. The Super Nt @ $189 USD is a more realistic benchmark for what an FPGA Genesis might cost. CD support is still a huge question mark with any FPGA Genesis remake, though.
Hans Weiss
Pretty sure the guys that made the PS-IO are working on a ODE for the Sega/Mega CD.
The PSIO guys have talked about it a little bit on the forums, but they say they are going to finish development on the DCIO first.
Another awesome video - thanks! So, are we all calling it 'Vintage Gaming' now? I guess 'retro gaming' did have kind of a trashy feel to it, 'vintage' kind of classes it up! ;) Regarding the SSS 3 - had my eye on this one for a while, but I'm going to wait for it to land at Stoneage Gamer first. I did that with the NeoSD and had no regrets. It's easier than trying to deal with all of the bank transfer issues Terra Onion has being overseas, and for some reason they don't want to offer a PayPal option to ease the stress for customers. In this particular case waiting was even more beneficial, as they still seem to be ironing out some fairly impactful hardware and firmware issues...
[Coury] Yeah, I kinda made a conscious decision to start referring it to "vintage" instead of "retro" because I felt it was more accurate. Retro is more about new stuff made to look old, and vintage is classy old stuff.
Coury - Fair enough. The way I see it, if you guys decide you want to tweak the name of the scene/hobby, so be it. You've earned that type of clout! Thanks again for all of the excellent and informative videos. I've spent countless hours of free entertainment in front of the computer thanks to the hard work you guys have poured in over the years...
Can anyone vouch for whether this can handle micro SD cards up to 256GB? StoneAgeGamer says so but the TerraOnion site says 128. Was hoping the whole PCE CD library could be packed onto one SD, but I think that would take 256GB capacity. Anyone got intel?
Impressive sd card system ,along with amezing features, trough if they used cf flash cards instead, the load times will be even 10 times faster then sd cards!!!
Could they maybe resolder the capacitor themselves...for €300!
They are, some of the second batch got sent out before they found the problem.
You can build a MiSTer FPGA for that price. It does all that plus a huge amount of other systems.
your amazon link only leads to the amazon homepage... :(
edit: can't even find it on amazon right now...
You didn't mention it but how well does this run through the xrgb mini?
Is there a model for the NA hardware, or is it a 1-size-fits-all product?
MLiG did it again, now I’m going to be hunting down a SuperGrafx, thanks guys lol.
I'm leaning towards waiting for an all FPGA solution.
The jailbars (without mod), and audio noise through CDROM games would probably bug me.
*Sees MLiG episode*
Yes! I'm here for this shit!
TerraOnion should really implement ALL of Voultar's recommendations. They'd have a much better product if they did.
ima just wait for the next version
Analogue MUST incorporate a similar FPGA CD2SD for their Mega NT. You guys know them and Horton, make it happen!!!
Have the issues been fixed in the latest revision? I've seen a couple of Reddit threads and message forum threads but none are up to date to November 2019 on the issues. It's really not something I can justify dropping three bills on if it's not super clear.
Yep. All the issues are now fixed.
Would the Sega Genesis model 2 component cable from HD Retrovision work with the Super SD System 3?
[Try4ce] Yes it works and it looks excellent.
So SuperGrafx with this device will be able to play all the different forms of PC Engine & CD games?
5:48 Soldering Aaron
so if you use this on a pc engine, can you play turbografx games, or would you need to mod the system before that becomes a reality?
I hope they fix some of those issues regarding the CD games' hiss. It can be kind of grating after a while.
I want this!
Bang for you're buck if you don't want to collect for a pce.Since it's all in one and you can use a pce,coregrafx,TG16 with it.Heck for myself thinking of selling off a console to buy a SSDS3.
True, by the time you get like, a handful of PCE games you've already spent more than the cash you'd need to get one of these... Also, it supports the Arcade Card so that's even better!
nice review! just ordered one but have no clue where you are all getting the iso from?