Set Ups That Never Paid Off In Naruto Part 4
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- Let's talk about set ups that were never paid off in Naruto. Kishimoto introduced many concepts that were fogotten in the series. Might Guy used the 8th Gate in the Guy vs Madara fight and didn't die. Also when we saw the Rinnesharingan after Juubidara cast Infinites Tsukuyomi the eye is only used for that and we never see it in action with Madara or Kaguya.
Another set ups never paid off was Naruto having truth seeking orbs which he never uses to their fullest potential. Also the Naruto map and the more nuanced worldbuilding didn't continue in Naruto Shippuden as Kishimoto focused more on lore and characters.
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Tell me more Naruto set ups that never paid off
Kakashi 1000s jutsus
Hikaku
Naruto being the Jinchuriki of the 9 tails
land of eart and mist...
we get a lot of action in land of fire, we get a lot of action in land of sand as well, we get a bit of action in land of lightning during the 5kage arc
but then we almost get nothing from these 2. yeah sure 1 member of akatsuki is from that village, we get a bit of information about it from zabuza and other members of mist-7 or whatever theyre called, and we learn that previous mizukage was controlled by obito, but still thats nothing compared to the other 3 villages. same with land of earth. this is not even funny.
also i dont understand why the power difference between kekei genkais is so drastic. some kekei genkais allow you to spit lava and make ice mirrors that you can travel to with high speed, while somekekei genkais literally allow you to summon gigantic stand spirit who fights for you, copy and master any jutsu you see, significanly improve your ability to cast genjutsu and many others, or a kekei genkai that allows you to create a jungle i mere seconds, or be able to live after getting stabbed by a sword and laugh that sh*t out. i wish there was a consistency between the power levels of the kekei genkais
Sasuke's full rinnegan potential
I love how critical of naruto you are. You clearly love the series but still give it that critical eye which I appreciate
And they still call him a Naruto hater lol
@@Daniel-xb4oy why? What makes yout think that?
@@Daniel-xb4oy nah you just can't understand criticism
@@Daniel-xb4oy Then don’t omit the context then. Another reply already asked you to elaborate on why you think what you said was accurate.
What are we left to do if not speculate in the absence of definitive answers?
@@Daniel-xb4oy you straight up just said that he doesn't love the series and I disagreed.
And now you're pulling a whole paragraph out your ass with text you didn't write in your comment that I was supposed to know you had in your head?
Damn.
The lack of focus on non-ninja world building is something that always annoyed me. Early Naruto heavily implied that ninja villages were fairly small fish in the wider world, utterly dependent on their nation daimyos for funding. Like hidden sand invaded konoha just to eliminate the competition cause they were broke. But then we find out in the war arc that no actually the villages have massive armies and the kages basically run their nations and the daimyos are complete losers utterly dependent on the ninja for protection. The daimyo don't even have samurai cause the samurai all suck and left to form their own nation. It was a weird shift with little explanation.
Bro the even the 5 great Nations weren't explored properly even only sand village got some screen time ,like we don't even how stone village looks like expect for that one picture which has the kage's office .Story just revolved around konoha ,even in war arc villais were from konoha (obito and madara) hereos were from konoha (Kakashi Naruto sauske sakura guy) others were just fodder character
@@lunarwolf3137Commas and periods are attached to the last word before it, not the next word after it...
@@Dogan_TM k, thanks 👍
You know? I don't know If I'm the only one who thinks this but a lot of the early non-canon material does a better job at exploring the world than the canon manga. I mean the Stone of Gelel had another nation that didn't know of chakra, the Uzumaki Chronicle 2 Game had this crafter village that made the Master Puppet, there's shippuden movie 1, shippuden movie 2: Bonds, Kizuna Drive Game, and shippuden Movie 5: Blood Prison, showing us monsters other than tailed beasts, Naruto movie 1 also showed an affair that has ninjas but not centred around the ninja world. And the non-canon arcs feature lands outside of the main five plus a handful of smaller lands and hidden villages. Makes me think of the possibilities that the Naruto world could've been. Not discount Aliens vs Cowboys (Aliens vs Ninjas in this case)
Feudal lords was pretty sketch at first, but that's like secret service samurai watching the president while the village is like the military
Guy not dying after going 8 gates was the final betrayal of everything I loved about the series. The fact that he was magically saved not long after Neji died to sticks was just the betrayal cherry on top.
I feel like this moment cemented the fact that Naruto became a subpar manga/anime.
I see it as why have guy die doing the technique when we knew his father already died doing it
The worst thing is: it didnt even needed to happen by Naruto's hand.
If Kishimoto really wanted Guy coming back, Madara could've passed some Hashirama Cells or other bullshit while doing the "you're the strongest taijutsu ninja" speech.
Madara was just buying time for the Perfect Tsukiyomi anyway, so ressurecting Guy so he could keep having fun would be a insanelly effective form os asserting dominance.
@@albertonishiyama1980Or Sakura not being a shitty taijutsu user, but actual support, HEALING, if she healed Guy, that would be way better than Naruto Christ saving with out of ass pulled hacks.
Also, there was really no purpose for Guy surviving... He couldn't do anything after that
I know it wouldn't be that tactically useful, but at the time I 100% believed that Naruto was going to use his Truth-Seeking Orbs as the material to make super-strong black Rasengan without having to spend time charging up or shaping the chakra. Like a callback to his training with the ball and water balloon to learn Rasengan.
Bruh that woulda been FIRE
Imagine 6 homing anti-chakra rasengans
Madara can do the same
Oh so, like take 9 Tomoes or just little truth seeking orbs, then spin them around rapidly until you form a condensed ball of swirling power that chips through whatever defense the enemy uses like a Susanoo coated in Truth Seeking Orbs just being shredded by this Kekkei Mora Rasengan.
some kid can probably obliterate that bridge with a simple juitsu why was he so worried about it lol.
lol...well maybe it would be guarded after it was built
@@TheBillhs probably, but then again it would have been guarded from the start.
Or some kid can just build one with a simple jutsu.
Some 7yo pulls up with a fireball jutsu 6 and a half minutes after it's finished 🤭
@@DanielBerthellemy shinobi fortnite
I've always stated that Gai should have killed Madara in that fight and then die. I remember my best friend saying "it doesn't make much sense for a secondary character to kill Madara". I aswered him that Black Zetsu, up until that point, was a secondary character and killed Madara hitting him in the same spot, with just a penetration, while Gai basically evaporated his heart, lol.
Imagine having the eyes of a god and don't knowing how to use substitution jutsu
Exactly I literally ripped out one of my manga panals when I found out gai survived no stakes at all
Zetsu did that because kishi fucked up by making Madara too powerful.
@@Deity_devilyou need fucking help if manga makes you that mad.
@@Francisco-bu9ewyeah if only he had the belief Zetsu wouldn’t betray him.
Regarding the 8 gates: When they introduced and explained the gates, I predicted that Guy was going to die from using the 8th gate, and then later on Rock Lee would use it, but because of whatever it is that means Lee cannot use gen/ninjutsu, abnormal chakra paths or something, it means he can survive using it.
His biggest weakness would be what Allows him to be the greatest Taijutsu user.
cool idea, but if you accept that 8th gate will make your body like charcoal after you use it, I don't see Lee's lack of chakra paths or whatever (I always thought he has up to none chakra control) any particular advantage . In my mind you would survive if you would have Tsunade's 100 heals technique.
Might dai too could not use ninjutsu and genjutsu but he still died.
@@riteshdeka7956The hell? He was able to, he had his shitty summoning. He wasn't just that good at it. Why use lvl 10 magic spell when you have 1000 lvl melee skill.
Rock lee can't use magic at all.
@@wisequigonTsunade healing indian mark is shown that it expires after little while and sustained damage is just stabs. 8th gate disintegrates the body and is extremely fast at it.
@@foreignfat6009 That was might guy not Might dai. Might dai is Might guy's father.
Juubi jinchurikis becoming pseudo-otsutsukis is also a thing that got set up but didn't paid off
how did it not pay off?
@@palmtv3538 they got their asses clapped and in Boruto you don't need 10-tails Chakra at all to become an Otsu, you just need a Karma and to be overwritten.
As far as we were aware, what happened in the final moments of the war ark was entirely anomalous as they identified the Otsu as their own species, not that any being can be turned into one with the absorption of 10-tails chakra.
Madara ultimately died because he had juubi extracted from him as he became a jinchuriki
Not sure how they could pay that off really other than explaining it, Jubito and Jubidara just look similar to otsutsuki and they have the otsutsuki dojutsu to boot. Apparently every otsutsuki would want to steal tailed beasts or feed off the ten tails chakra so I guess an otsutsuki would wanna become a 10 tails jinchuriki.
Wdym? Are u implying they should've been as strong as Otsutsuki? Juubito was whooping everyone and wasn't truly defeated as in being overpowered (He chose to give in to Naruto's Talk no Jutsu) and tbf he was missing the 9 AND 8 Tails as well as other power ups like another Rinnegan. Now I'm not saying he's stronger than Otsutsuki like Kaguya, Isshiki, Hagoromo, and Momoshiki, but he has a good shot against ones like Toneri, Kinshiki, Hamura, and Urashiki (Bro was such an embarrassment that most people don't consider him canon). Juubidara on the other hand is a completely different animal since he has half of the 9 Tails (We all know how huge that is) along with the 1-8 Tailed Beasts and ofc 10 Tails, Dual Rinnegan, God Tree, Rinne Sharingan etc. Again just like Obito, Madara wasn't truly defeated as in being overpowered. Also would Hagoromo be considered a pseudo Otsutsuki to u since he's half human? He's definitely stronger than Kinshiki, Toneri, and Urashiki, and I believe he's stronger than Momo. Juubi Jinchurikis aren't a joke lol. Any Otsutsuki would kill to be one and they'd be even stronger as one.
I think that worse than the truth seeking orbs, is the minato's kunai in his mouth. It implied that the was going to use minato's flying raijin. At the very least he didnt, cause that would have pissed me even more, that out of nowhere, suddenly, he knows that and is an expert on it.
Don’t act like Naruto using fly rajin wouldn’t be so lit 😂
@@oba_reese1611 it would be lit for a few days and maybe weeks, but in retrospective it would be REALLY bad writting for a character to know a completely different ability with no training at all.
@@The_Dumb_1_ Except in the War Arc every character mastered abilities in a few minutes.
Minato Sage Mode? Check.
Minato KCM? Check.
Sasuke Perfect Susanoo? Check.
Kakashi Infinite Kamui spam? Check.
Kabuto Sage Mode? Check.
@@joshtheryuk man Sasuke perfect susano is fine. He's the person who got the most development with susanoo
@@joshtheryuk i said what i said.
I think the lack of non-ninja worldbuilding as the series went on contributed to making it feel more Dragonball-esque -- that the entire universe comes down to a handful of super-powered martial artists and nothing else is really relevant. While Naruto's universe naturally inflates ninja's importance in worldbuilding and narrative, it goes to the point where you wonder who's paying for any of their mercenary activities when we barely see a real-world economy to generate wealth in the first place and why did these god-like shinobi submit to fuedal lords in the first place? They clearly have the monopoly on violence in this universe.
Then it gets weirder in Boruto where hidden villages have been converted into essentially modern cities. Which, well, modernity isn't just about having new technology it's the associated political and trade enviroment They're "hidden" villages, yet they're positioned in places that would be advantageous as economic hubs? Who's building that infrastructure? They can't possibly have that much labour on hand. Wouldn't an era of prolonged peace mean a significant decline in mercenary work and thus revenue anyways? More to the point, even if Naruto and co beat Kaguya it doesn't then mean the feudal lords wouldn't vie for advantages over one another with warfare -- that's overwhelmingly what happens in reality.
I guess I want Naruto to feel less like it's a world built entirely for the convenience of adventurers. I want to see it's Edo or Kyoto, and maybe have characters mention that they're important maybe.
Well it was classic powercreep. Tobirama was killed by like 20 elite mercenaries so at that point in the story it was meant that even kage level fighters can be overwhelmed. Then Kishimoto forgot and made kage's living legends and god among men.
Power creep aside, the ninja should *not* be standing armies. They should be the special forces and the feudal lords, who stopped mattering for no discernible reason, should have the *real* army, with standard troops that are comparable to at least genin, getting up to jonin for the commanders, with at least 1 kage level general, assuming that power role isn't fulfilled by the feudal lord.
That would definitely fix the math problem of *each* village having over 10k adult soldiers when there's clearly not enough room for that many people in their respective villages, while still having room for civilians to keep said villages running. In fact, they wouldn't even be called villages. They'd be called cities.
@@InfernosReaperSamurai would be perfect for this role
@@user-gu8hp4zj8w Indeed they would. Too bad they're all off in some random other country or something
@@InfernosReaper i also think, that they can get not the "BIG ARMOR MEDIA SAMURAI" appearance, but later, when they were already using firearms and ligher armor, combined with their classical weapons like spears and of course katanas. Naruto is like first half of 20th century tech wise, so this could be justified
13:08 While reading the manga chapter(s), my friends and I were speculating that Guy was going to DIE and not just from the build up from the 8th Gate but 1) his childhood was explored and showing his purpose of training and 2) His father name is Duy, we were saying “Guy will Duy”. Worse payoff.
Shonan armour saved him he was too popular to die and it's not the first time that happens it happens in dragon Ball it's the market demands problem
@@ayhamahmad2277 Say that to gege akutami please.
@@ClarissaValderiz who
This is one I always found funny, especially in the Naruto verse. Kishimoto needed a way to introduce characters during the Chunin Exams as a who we should look out for. Kabuto pulls out the "Ninja Baseball Cards" and they're literal stat sheets with Kabuto giving their strengths, weaknesses, and more. These cards are introduced and then immediately forgotten about. Just such a funny thing to exist in the Naruto world. Maybe Kabuto was the one who made the Shinobi Collector Cards we see in Boruto and that's how he keeps the orphanage open.
He prob is
Lmao, dude become perfect sage and suprassed Orochimaru just to become a fucking tabletop games tycoon. Why orphanage when you can turn sound village into las vegas
I would be heartbroken if Gai would be killed, but it makes so much more sense 🤔 It would be a strong impact
I was actually surprised he survived so it worked
@@ordinary_deepfakeworked in disappointing way as he doesn't have purpose later
@@abdullahazzama2570 cry
@@ordinary_deepfake it did not work, it was a copout and made it feel like there was no actual threat since no one was dying, even when using a ability with guaranteed fatality attached.
@@FrogWalrus do you read JJK manga? if no then don't read this
Gege has the balls to kill off the most popular character in the series and that's why I love JJK compared to the other battle shonen,also the power system unlike Naruto substitution, body flicker, etc which I'm not a fan of those cheap ability
I love both of the series don't get me wrong
Been saying that: Madara had EMS/Rinnegan, 6 Paths, Storm Style, Wood Style, and had Juubi. Imagine Susanoo Clad, Sage powered Wood Golem. He'd be unstoppable.
Yeah I think kishimoto realized juubito and juubidara would be too op so he strictly nerfed them by ignoring their old abilities and sticking to whatever's new
Yeah, funny how Neji dies in a contrived and completely avoidable way, but Guy's setup to die in a deep and meaningful way with a lot of setup, yet lives.
They dropped Sai's set up of fascination to Naruto's peen size and performance
Sai must have been packing
When they made him marry Ino I was like: Hold up.
Instead of having white zetsu kill madara, have madara cast the infinite tsukuyomi on the world, but then as it works we realise the fatal side effect that was hidden from madara which could either be his own death or kaguya taking over his body. Dying by his own device makes more sense that having a literally almost god-like madara (with excess chakra & infinite healing) die to a puny black sludge.
I think a way to make the other characters in konoha more important in the pain arc, would be if each team fought against one of the pain paths, then naruto fights the deva path, sakura would have her fight against konan (or rematch in the case of the rewrites)
Kishimoto wanted to do that but his editor told him no
Also there should be other pain paths in war arc to make shinobi alliance relevant. After a point, shinobi alliance felt useless.
@@ayham418 by *that* point in the series, I suspect Kishimoto could've done it if he *really* wanted to
@@InfernosReaper the editor has more power than kishimoto so what he can do look what happened to neji and lee were supposed to die in part one but the editor said no
@@pld9350 you say he is not good writer and you forgot part one and the one shot and most of character's were supposed to die in part one but the editor said no so it's not hia fault and he wanted to have more arc and was forced to rushing the war arc because shonan wanted boruto to start and what happened in part two was established in part one part two has a well written villains and amazing fight its the sid character issue and you think writing a weekly and draw is easy go see the manga and see how much detail kishimoto but in and characters death is shonan issue the don't allow any pupuler character to die and what happened pain arc is true
What makes the Guy thing even worse is that the power Naruto uses to save him was a very literal Deus Ex Machina. As in, the closest thing the setting has to a god literally appeared to Naruto and gave him this power apropos of nothing. It's the dumbest way you could possibly handle this and Kishimoto did it intentionally. I think the reason people tend to give what comes after that point a pass is twofold: one, the fight that ensues is really cool, and two, it's not an instant win button for the heroes. That's all that saves this from being a catastrophic writing choice.
For me, it still marks where I think the writing begins to truly nose-dive in Shippuden.
I think everything after this point begins to slowly gnaw away at the integrity of Naruto’s lore.
To be perfectly honest, from the very first arc of Shippuden, Kishimoto wrote Naruto à lot closer to a Messaia. All the signs of the inevitable decline and betrayal of the themes were here
@@Waltersophard work is not the main them lee lost to gara
@@Waltersop watch the show again and remember lee lost to gara you just a hater
@@Waltersop hidan arc was rushed because of the weekly manga that arc was supposed to be longer but the editor was rushing kishimoto to end it because of time so its not his fault and the first arc is very good in the manga
Its honestly insane to think that mangekyou sharingan has susanoo if used by both eyes, and then different and often times, original abilities of left and right eyes
But the rinne-sharingan dosent do shit other than cast infinite tsukuyomi, sure you can argue sasuke's rinnegan is technically a rinne-sharingan, but he is just an uber driver with 1/5th of a tank of gas at all times anyways
Wym by that last thing his teleportation? Also how does that Sasuke RinneSharingan techniques compare to Shisuis teleportation is another thing I always wonder.
A set up that never happened was when Kabuto healed hinata and punched Kiba. He did this because Kishimoto had an idea for an arc where Orochimaru/Kabuto kidnaps Hinata to steal her Byakugan. But the editors told him not to do it. (This whole things Kishimoto had with his editors are a big ahh rabbithole.)
Its not the first time that happens kishimoto wanted to have more arc before the chunin exam but the editor forced him to cut down and he wanted to kill neji and the others in the sasuke rescue arc but they were pupuler just like guy
@ayhamahmad2277 Fuck editors, they are a double edge weapon, they either stop the author from doing the most stupid plot twist ever, or stop a whole series from becoming as good as it could have been
@@lautarofarnos835 they did stop the Hokage for being a dog, which is a good call.
I know it only seemed to get mentioned in Sasori's backstory in the light novels but there's also all the other continents in that world. It would be pretty neat to see a new character's series about their adventures across such places but I get why Naruto or the average shinobi wouldn't do it.
Guy should have died 100%. He would have had one of the most awesome and memorable deaths in manga/anime, but they took it away from him.
Did you forget that guy was too popular
"Sakura has the most powerful summoning jutsu in the series" lmao you made my night, thank you
Crystal Release was a crazy one time setup, and it was never seen again after that
Wht makes me hate about how they treat the uzumaki is on how naruto , karin, nagato dont even suprise or slight happy to see one of their own. We could argue tht being clan member as great as uzumaki would make their member proud ( like uchiha and also whrs senju are they extinct already ? ) but nah they just "oh its another uzumaki cool"
Glad someones going over these topics. They’re just not covered enough
If I were Kishimoto, I would've asked Oda for tips about World Building
He wanted to have more arc before the chunin exam but the editor forced to cut down it's his story but he can't control it the editor has more power than him
Fortunately, you're not Kishimoto, so it doesn't matter what you'd do in such impossible for you situation.
@@ayhamahmad2277 where was this said at if you remember
@@Gizzor he said in one of his interview even dygo mentioned it on his video on why Naruto should be longer go watch it
Blame the editor
Nah bro really hired a demon to kill a construction worker is crazyyy
Guy should've died that's for sure. The setup was there, the emotions were there, Lee fully aware of the fact that his father figure is making the ultimate sacrifice, Guy fully determined to see this through and accepting of his fate. Honestly, even if he didn't kill Madara, it would've been great if he just left him weakened so that Naruto can beat him now. This would remove any need for godlike abilities and most importantly, it would remove the need to kill off Madara in a dumb way because he's too powerful. Just make it so that Guy did so much damage that Madara can't fully recover.
Shonan armour saved him what i mean is shonan won't allow him to doe because he was popular character
My favorite thing about Dygoknight is that he clearly loves Naruto but he isn’t afraid to point out and even joke about it’s glaring issues. Other fans joke about it too, but they’re like insecure or something because they always feel the need to undercut their criticism by following it up with something Naruto is good at. I love Naruto too but we gotta be able to recognize the flaws with the series
Damn y'all remember ninja missions? That was their ticket to progressing the world naturally and growing the characters properly.
Now shit is about boruto sucking as a protagonist and skin walker aliens
I feel like the leaf was just OP
Well to be fair they're the first village, which in itself already sets up this predictable dynamic.
When it comes to worldbuilding, no manga surpasses One Piece. We know their world as we never got to know Naruto's.
The consequence is that it has hundreds of characters and thousands of chapters. It is a trade off.
This guy is No.1 fan of Naruto he finds every lacks about naruto series , I'm so appreciate that
You know, instead of Aliens, it would have been cool if the Ninja World united against some other major power. Maybe some nation based on European Culture lead into battle by Madara who convinced thisnother nation he was a god and lead them to battle. This naton could have their own unique powers and force the Ninjas to band together for survival.
I've always thought the world of naruto felt so small compared to other shonen especially when compared to one piece or even isekais like mushoku tensei. the world building outside ninja villages and missions is barely explored at all. I'm not saying naruto should have the world building akin to one piece but perhaps we could've gotten more than we actually did. in shippuden it felt like the entire world is composed of only these ninja villages, especially during the war arc where it didn't feel like its only these ninjas fighting against each other but more like a world war although despite the major stakes, we don't really see any other military force than ninjas and a few fodder samurai.
Naruto isn't a adventure series like one piece
Naruto is a linear action series
onee piece is vast story of plots and mysteries
@@jeffreywright9165 Naruto's world is full of holes that make no sense. They're not even "mysteries", Kishi just sucks at building a believable world.
@@nelsonw9483 he made a more believable world then one piece
@@nelsonw9483 blame the editor kishimoto wanted to have more arc before the chunin exam but the editor forced him to cut down
If only Naruto awakened the god-like six paths power before Neji died.
back when the manga was being published and Might Guy used the eighth gate in an effort to defeat Marada but Naruto just Jesus' away the impending cost of using the final inner gate, i was really pissed off about that decision, i do love Might Guy as a character but to just dismiss that particular fate was just terrible.
Madara was too strong for Naruto and Sasuke who never got tired. wanted to bring everyone into a dream world
I had that same misconception about the truth seeking orbs but you can actually see them on naruto's back later on the fight so he didn't waste them with the susanno arrows, they just kinda...disappear
Sasori’s “Hiruko” design was so much more interesting & original than ‘insert random anime boy with red hair’ smh
Agree with you on everything except that small bit about how it might’ve been better if Shoji died in part 1. I agree Neji should’ve died, but not Choji, because it would’ve made Shikamaru’s arc in shippuden less impactful. One of the biggest reasons why his arc there was so good is because it’s the first time he lost someone really close to him. That wouldn’t work if choji died in part 1; since he would’ve known how to deal with the grief of losing his sensei if he had already gone through grief of losing his best friend. It would still hurt, but I feel like the emotions wouldn’t be there as much, he wouldn’t have as much of a vendetta, he wouldn’t have grown as much as he did, etc. The way shikamaru acted & the arc he went through is exactly the kind of things you go through when you lose someone you love for the first time(I know because I’ve experienced that myself).
Neji is completely unimportant in shippuden tho, so I agree with the idea that he should’ve died in part 1.
Also I think kishimoto should’ve killed half the named characters in the war arc imo. I know it’s a shonen, but I know other shonen that have killed a lot of characters off. That’s not a good excuse to not kill off characters.
Kish can't kill any pupuler character because they won't allow him to do that
I feel like they dropped the wider world building that PTS was attempting because honestly it was probably out of Kishi's depth for both his ability and the environment he was being published in.
Because as much as I would love Naruto to have the world building depth and absolute complexity like Onepiece... Naruto probably would of been canceled prematurely due to diminishing sales/ loss of interest by Kishi if it was executed as a poor man's Onepiece.
yeah i mean , when it comes to one piece , sailing pretty much the entire world is the premise already , in search of one piece , it lets Oda build the world as a whole while also not steering off of the main plotline.
@@mateuszmierzejewski1355 That level of freedom of movement and the interest in the wider world it sparks also allows Oda to go a good 10-15 chapters featuring none of the main characters. Any other Shonen mangaka would get assblasted by the editorial staff if they even attempted such a thing.
The closest Naruto ever came to that was maybe Jiraiya vs Pain or pick a flashback arc, though even in those cases it's usually related to a main character in some way. There's also that time the series dropped Naruto entirely in favor of Sasuke for a bit as he traveled the world and put his team together, but he's the other main character, so I'm not counting it.
(Bleach did this quite a bit during the Fake Karakura and TYBW arcs, but Ichigo is barely a character, so I'm not counting that either.)
It could have been done, and very easily so. If the show's premise is the path of the protagonist(s) to the top of the ninja world, and there is a clear path of progression already built in (the ninja ranking system), and the need for ninja to do missions is to get paid...do the world building through a mixture of short-distance and long-distance missions. Sure, Shippuuden does that (sort of) with the Akatsuki chases, but the environment they're in is not the focus. The fact the Konoha-nin are probably up to their necks in enemy territory while out chasing the Akatsuki has no bearing on the plot. The fact other villages are just as affected does not appear to matter until around the Kage Summit to begin with.
There are no truces, no information exchanges, no actual infiltrations, covert intel-gathering, no mind-games with the tracked Akatsuki member...the only one who got to do ANY of that was Jiraiya and he did what...capture one rando and get stupid lucky? He basically immediately found Pain. In short...there is a lot that could have been done, but that wasn't. Likely because target audiences were younger than the one for ninja content like Basilisk, which would have been a tonal shift (or tonal consistency with regards to pre-TS Naruto) Shippuuden would have benefited from. Not to mention that even something as simple as the harshness of the ninja world was apparently discarded for anyone but the usual redshirts when Konoha didn't...really lose anyone unless the plot absolutely demanded it, and even then a Deus Ex Machina fixed it (mostly).
The whole thing got mangled by editors who didn't want the cash cow to die. Pain, Tobi, zetsu and Itachi had last minute changes to their character to keep the story going.
@@legrettagrants6470beautifully put, I came to every word.
Well they did it in filler arcs but since it wasn’t “canon “ people ignored it. Though I will say had the filler been written well and deep and focused on lore then it would’ve been good
It always drove me insane they called it the rinnesharingan instead of the sharinnegan. Doesnt that just sound better?
way cleaner.
It's in Japanese
@@felixtjoanda3841 i don't know if you mean that's what they call it in Japanese, if that is the case it was so stupid it was changed to the much worse sounding "rinnesharingan" for English
@@dustinhatfield8373 what i meant is that they literally use the romaji spelling from the Japanese naming, because abbreviating it like you suggested would butcher the romaji to mean jack shit, Japanese is a character based language so shortening or moving stuff around in spelling would mean completely different things.
Just like how Goku's kamehameha would sound much better if you were to say kamekameha instead, but that would equate to saying turtle turtle wave instead of turtle destruction wave.
@@felixtjoanda3841 i see, makes sense! Thank you :)
What I never understood is if they were going to have Madara get killed in such a stupid way why not just have might guy kill him with night guy so that at least he gets that cool moment and then kokkia can come out of that somehow because it was stupid anyway at least give Mike guy something
Madara was too strong for Naruto and Sasuke who never got tired. wanted to bring everyone into a dream world
Kagua is just for boruto that is why madara killed like that
@@otdreamer193 that not true it was shonan jump forced him to create kagua so boruto can start
The problem of Naruto was in the manga the world lacks world building, whereas the anime had side stories and new characters per each location that adds to the spice of its world away from the main story. But it's hard to take these filler arcs seriously since they are all non Canon with the manga. Most of them had really good stories as well so it's a shame that anime did a better job expanding the world than the manga ever did.
The worse parts was that the character development done in these fillers never inspired kishimoto to pick up any to add to his story
@@rhuonaChanel kishimoto wanted to have more arc before the chunin exam but the editor forced him to cut down
Yea like Sora in Shippuden that first filler arc. Had the nine tails chakra and Sai was just a slap in the face come the war arc. I guess his brother thing was touching but it wasn't setup very well to begin with.
Kishimoto actually wanted to have more arc like visiting each other village but the editor forced him to cut down
This is like Kishimoto dropped Naruto after the chunnin exams and was given a choice, you give your manga to Akira Toriyama or to Eichiro Oda. Then Kishimoto chose Toriyama and thus we have this underdeveloped story with tons of loose ends and setups that will never will be elaborated on.
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bro, there were a few set ups in Naruto that didn't pay off in Part 4, like the potential revival of the Akatsuki or further exploration of Kaguya's backstory. But hey, sometimes things don't go as planned.
We also didn’t explore all kekkai genkai chakra releases
Fights happening in ops cant be considered in this context. They put random characters in them in order to avoid spoilers and MANY shows do this
There was a theory that Madara’s EMS specialty was Susano’o upgrades but idk much on that tbh
It would have made more sense if Kakashi would have sealed the 8th gate so save gai, since he knew Gai can use it and. Kakashi preparing a sealing justu for this would not be a stretch
Damn I never knew Sakura had the strongest summoning jutsu in the series lol (summoning Naruto himself haha)
Naruto’s worldbuilding and overall plot is so bad man… nostalgia really keeps this show alive
If you don't like don't watch
@@ayham418who said he's still watching it? He's still allowed to critize something if he likes it, dummy.
Gotta say I'm someone who got into it as an adult having hated it as a kid, and I really liked it
wowww i never thought about how much larger the world could be, with countless interesting characters that could be on the other side of the world
its sad, not only are non ninja poltics and world building not shown, but we barely see much of some of the other non leaf villages.
no one really knew about Hagaromo's full capabilities, so him giving Naruto some hax ability to keep people from dying when they surely should have isn't exactly unplausible.
So that is why you made the Stone Village Arc
I feel like some of the Naruto plot armour is the equivalent of stringing alone a dying dog with drugs
Should’ve done more with Tenten.
Same whit Hokage Kakashi, Guy sould have died, and Tsunade sould have remained Kage.
I was so psyched when Naruto gained Truth seeking orbs and even a staff because I was ready for him to incorporate a new style, instead of shadow clone and rasengan , it would just add something new and make him even more awesome… but nope comply waste all of them
Completely agree with the Might Guy payoff comments. Guy is my favourite character in the series, and the gate of death payoff was the thing I'd been most anticipating in the entire series since it was mentioned. Guy was always such a great mentor that I wanted to see how he would spend his final moments, and he did not disappoint in the slightest. He went out like a total badass and got one of the most memorable deaths in battle shounen history... or so I thought. Naruto's plot amp keeping him alive for no reason just completely ruined the moment. It was just so unnecessary. Guy had completed his character arc, and the will of fire was ready to be inherited by Lee.
It doubly pissed me off that Kishimoto saved a character who was clearly set up to go out in a blaze of glory like Guy, but then he disposed of Neji in the most uninspiring way possible. Neji, who had already been criminally neglected in shippuden, chose to go out saving Naruto from a piece of fucking wood, which Naruto realistically wouldn't even die from due to his healing factor from the nine tails chakra, AND Neji has techniques that would allow him to destroy/divert the wood very easily. Yet he decided to put his body in the way and limp towards his conclusion. Very bizarre decision making all around.
It's shonan fault not kishimoto
It always bothered me... Where are Senju when Naruto was living? Did Hashirama only had wood style, no one else? Tobirama didn't have it, didn't had children? And during all this time, there wasn't any "Romeo and Juliet" type of situation between Senju and Uchiha?... Did really all Uchihas and Senju lived in one village and NEVER moved somewhere else? Like, it was said that they were traveling, who paid more got the clan to do the fighting, so never anyone stayed and have family? Did Madara really never had family?
It was so bothering for me, because I can't believe that these two clans could be so easily wiped off
If the Naruto World isn't a supercontinent, why didn't obito just kamui away to the other side of the world, summon the statue there and to the Eye of The Moon plan undisturbed??!?!?
Honestly, if he straight up didn’t provoke anyone in the first place, he could have actually probably gotten to pull it off without any interruptions too.
@@hihi-nm3uy I mean he kind of has to in order to get the Tailed Beasts.
This is not something that needs expanding on in the Naruto world but Killer Bee mentions “Texas LongHorn” in the fight with Sasuke meaning Texas is a real place in the Naruto world. We don’t know anything other than it excites and I just find that neat.
basically what u are saying is that Madara was nerfed severely. the powers that they tell us he had were terrifying but ones that they didn’t mention(such as ms abilities) are unimaginable
Would have been cool if Sakura, hinata, ino, and ten ten fought konan together. Also having team guy there would have been cool. I understand that they couldn’t have guy(even lee) there cause of how strong he is, but they could have at least used Neji and ten ten. Have Pain be aware of guy and lee being 8 gate users, and show them being neutralized/halted in order to remove the only threat at the village. Then just have Neji and ten ten be there still. Would have also been a cool tease to guy sensei’s true power. I still find it super cool though that the writer had to leave a character out of a very important ask in the characters own village because of how powerful they were. Guy sensei was on the level of gods before we even knew what that kind of power was haha
The rinnesharingan can use infinite tsukyomi and can switch demensions and can teleport.
Plot twist, the Naruto verse is the one piece
Naruto was always a rushed manga, but last 25% of it is just rushed gabrage.
Can I just say I LOVE the Ragnarok OST in the background? Juno's theme is amazing 😍
Perhaps, just my thoughts on what he brought up.
1) I think the land of waves does a good job of showing the average duties of a ninja, wpuld it be nice to have an in between arc, sure but I can live without it.
2) Konan vs Sakura wasn't hinted at during the original run of the manga so not really a set up, although I'll agree that fight should have happened, Naruto and Sasuke had two Akatsuki fights, let Sakura have her 2nd fight.
3) The countries not being shown is fine, not that big of deal to me personally, never really set up as anything other than this is what a non ninja village is like.
4) Guy should have died, I'll agree with that, I go back and forth but him dying works just as well as him not dying and gives Naruto more reason to want Madara dead and moments later we get a good enough example of Naruto's new strength, the only thing saving Guy does is show Naruto can heal (Guy is saved, Kakashi's eye, Obito revvied).
5) The Rinne-Sharingan is just the Rinnegan with Sharingan prowess which, it can cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi and the databooks credits it to Kaguya's dimension summoning ability. Would love to know more about it and why it's different than a Rinnegan and why Sasuke's rinnegan is not a Rinne-Sharingan but yeah.
Sasuke uses quite a few rinnegan abilities when the budget allows for it. But they save that for big fights like he should theoretically just be absorbing jutsu to get his rinnegan back up and running whenever he dimension hops or something too much.
However from what I've seen the rinnegan power he uses the most is on that is native to all six paths type powers or persons and that is flight. Notice how he can just sometimes fly.
What budget are we talking here, cause what abilities he use entirely dependant on Kishimoto as he has a complete creative control of the manga with maybe the editor influencing a bit. The way it works is that the mangaka and few of his assistants are the one making the story, his editor checks it and then they publish it for the magazine. The anime just have to follow as they're not a factor to consider when the mangaka draws the story, mangakas wouldn't care about what budget they have to use to animate things.
On that lil map part u showed with all the continents. I saw demons and neck…. I think ima head that way. 😂
Damn honey there too haha yea onward
My type comment lmao straight goon
3:25 I believe Kishimoto did want to explore more of the shinobi/nonshinobi world between Land of Waves and Chunin Exam arcs, but the producers wanted to move onto the Chunin Exam quickly to introduce more ninjas.
The DygoKnight talks about Naruto, the more I realize that the story would have suffered a lot with just killing off people because they didn't do much after their big moment in the narrative.
If Neji or Choji died during the Sasuke retrieval Arc their deaths would have served no point outside of "well I'm not using them in the next leg of the story" and other characters would have lost the 'potential' of closure dealing with these characters.
Guy dying during the Madara fight would have been poetic, but him living doesn't harm anything either
i think, theres a difference between killing off a character, just because they arent gonna be used anymore, and not killing off a character, that was said to have to die if they do x.
spamming deaths left and right, lessens the impact, but not following through with a death that should have happened, is just as cheap.
at least thats my two cents on the matter.
I always say that killing of characters doesn't make a story good
I like deaths in my animes. Makes their world feel more dangerous and fights actually have stakes. But they need to be handled correctly. Neji death for example, felt laughable and unecesary (he was the only high rank ninja who died😂), but if he had died during the Sasuke retrieval arc it could have been great. The impact on the characters could have helped their development.
@@Scalesthelizardwizard death is cheap-trope makes an even worse story.
@@proclarushtaonasat did you just say that all death in fiction makes it worse? Am I getting that right?
If so may I introduce you to FMA Brotherhood because it has by far one of the most impactful deaths in anime that helps to shape a character's story up until he is blasting Clifford the big green eldritch abomination with fireballs near the finale. Or how about I show you a certain bird from one piece who, through NOT dying, made his arc way less fulfilling since it ended with what should have been a noble sacrifice where he was literally nuked
i hate it when a character gets never used again
Guy killing Madara, and dying after would be peak Naruto.
It feels like Kishimoto had a great idea and built on it in a great way, but didn't build on it as deeply or as cleverly as he could. A lot of plotholes or missed opportunities.
Tbf if Sakura fought Konan, she would have gotten absolutely violated. I have no desire to see that fight.
Lmao exactly she holds of Jairaya for as long as she did and escapes (which a lot of ppl get straight up violated by Pervy Sage), not to mention was trained by Sennin in a hardened war period. Helps infiltrate the leaf, still has an arsenal and IQ that forces Obito (one of the series masterminds who stood toe to toe with the 4th) to use the Izanagi, sacrificing a sharingan.
Sakura wasn't standing no chance more than that fake swing in that opening title. Which missed cuz Konan CAN FLY.
@@RenaAnn-qf2whsakuras plot armor
kishimoto is like the exact opposite of araki, like in jojo every single damn enemy has their own full set of abilities just to never be seen again.
i never really understood the renisharigans purpose because the whole thing was to unleash the infinite tskyoimi to be able to create and collect the chakra fruit but when boruto comes around it turns out that you dont need a renisharingan to able to create a chakra fruit?
"Excited to see Sakura fight an Akatsuki member"
Sasori?
Honestly, I think pretty much all the things pointed out here are repercussions of both Kishimoto's choices alongside the pressure to push out chapters.
The best story we get after the time skip is the rescue gaara (forgive me if that's not what that arc is called) arc.
Sakura actually gets to fight sasori, albeit with Granny Chiyo's help, but it just feels very thought out.
It reminds me a bit of the fullbringer arc in Bleach after the Huenco mundo/karakura town arcs.
More focused and thought out.
Kaguya imo, is an anomaly in terms of being a mixture of unnecessary and really needing her own story arc instead of cramming it onto an already bloated story arc
Plus, I always felt like explaining where Chakra came from, sort of ruined things a little, but that could also feed into what I just said.
I get that kishimoto was probably trying to wrap things up, but this is a case where the payoff would have been more satisfying with them defeating Madara.
That and I always thought it crap that Orochimaru just got to be "forgiven" and go on to do whatever. I think this is my own opinion, so I don't expect anyone to agree, but if a villain had to go into the gray, then it should have been obito or Madara. Both of them had tragic backstories that highlighted how horrible things gave them tunnel vision. I think Madara hanging around, even in prison or sealed, but seeing the world actually move forward past war, which was his dream, would have been interesting. Plus, it could work better since he did essentially become immortal to some degree and could have acted as a catalyst in a different way to Kaguya (not the weird one that was chosen!) coming back or drawing in the attention of the otsutsuki. But again, strictly my own thoughts.
It could have fed into the discovery of the otsutsuki stuff being found around the world. Maybe even set up as appearing after Madara's defeat as foreshadowing/a way to bring kaguya onto the playing field but make her more of a valid threat without being in Madara's shadow unless a different path was chosen. Perhaps she comes back because she views their world as hers and doesn't want to share. Who knows?
World building is a valid point but it ends up paying off in the end. Saying the show doesn’t satisfy building up the world in a meaningful way is like saying the original Star Wars movies didn’t build up the world enough for a pay off. Like Star Wars, Naruto is a self contained series and for the most part is paced pretty well. As someone who has seen every episode (including filler) looking at the canon content, the show moves at a good speed. It’s not too slow focusing on meaningless arcs with lateral progression and moves quick enough that it flows naturally and the story progresses in ways that makes sense. With the pacing, larger world building elements were better left out o secondary sources of media. Again, Star Wars, a franchise where most of what we know ab the galaxy, different planets, races and conflicts comes from secondary media like comics, mini series, and novels, most of the world building elements are Naruto can be found in light novels and other canon material which leaves the show with enough background and world lore for any viewer to watch, understand and even enjoy the show but allows more hardcore fans to read and learn about it without slowing down the show or adding unnecessary details
Who else was fooled by an opening if not those who watched Boruto and saw that white Ice Kurama
Bro Kishimoto did a shit job at exploring the ninja villages themselves. There was no hope for him ever developing the outer world
I’m just here to say, it should have been Lee that pulled off the 8 Gates to battle Madara
I’m not saying Guy shouldn’t be able to do it, I just think with Neji dying essentially Rock Lee’s Sasuke, and him not having a big moment after that feels like a missed opportunity
Maybe Guy goes to do it, but then gets injured and then can’t, so instead Rock Lee pulls up and reveals he’s learned it as well, no one wants him to unleash all 8 gates and die but then he goes and does it anyway, Guy could cry proud tears on the sideline instead
It has precedence with Kakashi saying no one can unlock 5 gates through sheer effort and that Rock Lee is a genius, he can be doing it for Neji, even if he doesn’t defeat Madara it would be a really satisfying moment for everyone that fell in love with him after the Chunin exams and an extra little bonus could be Garra helping distract Madara so Lee can get his opening
And Naruto saving Lee would be a lot more meaningful than Guy, as they both started as underdogs
Really all of the original Konoha 13 should have had a decent moment to shine beyond being pseudo shadow clones on the tips of Kuramas tail
(Side note, why doesn’t guy just have his foot/leg replaced like Naruto? Do the senju cells not mesh with other people?)
It's funny how Boruto payed off on the 1st setup and everyone complained and said it was boring.
Konan vs Konoha girls would be one of the best moments of the anime, sadly never happened :( I hate kishimoto so much
I mean it didn’t make sense at all that naruto beats all the paths and then shows up to where nagato is and konan just stands there and let’s them talk and hang out lmao. It would’ve made way more sense if she was occupied by fighting Sakura while naruto and nagato are having they’re talk. Konan loses but isn’t like taken out, sees the rinne rebirth then peace’s out to take nagatos body cause she knows that obito will want it and then we get the Sakura Konan fight and still get the konan obito fight
Naruto was definitely accidentally built up to be a World Building story
the best setup that never paid off NARUTO X SASUKE
That's the author had wanted to do in the beginning but had to be cut because it's not appropriate for shonen jump, lol
I would have been annoyed if we split off from the story to see a random brick-layer dealing with divorce and his alcohol addiction; I'm happy we didn't look at the mundane world more often.
I'm honestly 100% good with guy not dying. It was so dramatic even with him living
Something I was very disappointed by was how little Obito uses the Rinnegan, I mean he almost dies to Konan to get it, just to create a couple Rods and heal a cut on his face