Panzergrenadiere 1944: Mission & Cooperation with Tanks
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- Let's look at a manual for Panzergrenadiere (gepanzert (armored)) from 1944. I will discuss the differences between the Panzergrenadiere and their origin as Motorschützen (motorized riflemen) and then taking a closer look at their mission and cooperation with tanks according to the manual. Additionally, there is a short look at a weapon description about the Infantergiegeschütz 33 from the manual as well.
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I met a former soldier of the Division Großdeutschland in the late 1970's who was an instructor at the Valley Junior College. He was wounded and sent to a hospital just before a very large Russian Army attack that destroyed his division. I was surprised that he emigrated to California and became an instructor. I should have asked him where he was wounded in Russia. I also had a high school classmate whose father was a 1st Mate on U-352 that was sunk off the US East Coast. He said that U-352 was bombed and the controls were damaged and it could not leave the area so it was sunk. I saw a documentary about U-352 many years later and it showed the damage due bomb damage. I find it interesting to talk to WWII soldiers about their war time experience starting with my father who fought in WWII against the Germany Army in Italy and in France. He wrote a book called "Silent Warriors" about his experiences before, during and after WWII. I met many of veterans that my father commanded in WWII and many asked me for information that my father had told me. I also worked with many WWII, Korean War and Vietnam veterans and listened to their war time experiences. I always thank these veterans for their service and always say that freedom is not free.
Very interessting video especially since my Grandfather was a Grenadier in the Division Großdeutschland from January 1944 until the end of the war.
He didn't write "The Forgotten Soldier", did he?
No, but he did read the book. No idea what he thought about it though since many apparently doubt that the author actually fought in that division.
thats cool
mine did as well!!
Wish i knew your grandfather, My Great-Great-Grandfather was apparently a rifleman during WWII.
They had specialized versions of the Sd.Kfz. 251 half-track that mounted 81 mm mortar, 7.5 cm Infanteriegeschutz, 2.8 cm sPzB 41 anti-tank rifle, 7.5 cm Pak 40 gun, version for the Pioniere with bridges, even flamethrowers and 2 cm AA, alongside command, ambulance etc. The idea was that the respective organic heavy weapons platoons/companies in the Panzergrenadier regiment would use these specialized vehicles and thus the regiment as a whole would be fully mobile. It is unclear though if any unit achieved such full complementation.
Wasn't the Panzer Lehr fully equipped with half tracks?
@@bluejam2879 Yes. In 1944 in Normandy where they were almost useless in the Normandy hedgerows. They basically withdrew the half-tracks from the panzergrenadier regiments. The only other division which may have been fully equipped with half-tracks for its panzergrenadiers was the Grossdeutchland Division and I think the documents I have showing that are probably wrong. A Panzer Division had one battalion with 3 companies plus a heavy weapon company in half-tracks, and 2 companies plus a heavy weapons company in the reconnaissance battalion. 3 of (5 in SS) the panzergrenadier battalions were motorized. Panzergrenadier (mot) vs. Panzergrenadier (gp). The armored panzergrenadier battalion usually operated with the Panzer Regiment within the divisions. The motorized ones were used in defense or in a breakthrough could move in their trucks behind the Panzer Regiment, Panzergrenadier Bn (gp) and reconnaissance battalion.
@@ODST6262 1944 GD = 4 motorized inf BN, 2 mechanized inf BN, 3 Panzer BN, 3 artillery BN, 1 recon BN, 1 engineer BN, 1 stug BN,
@@williamscottshelton945 Ah. Ok. That is a PzGr organization like the 1SS, 2SS, 3SS was at the time with six not four PzGr BN and with 2 not 1 armored. Like Panzer Lehr not a standard Panzer Division organization but a hold over from when the division was a Motorized Rifle Division and then converted to a PanzerGrenadier Division. Note its Panzer Regiment had a Panzer IV, Panther, and Tiger battalion. (1943 the Panzer IV battalion was mixed Pz III and IV I believe). Doing this off the top of my head instead of pulling a book off the shelf. Thanks for the correction. A Panzer Division in 1944 had a Panzer Regiment (1 or 2 Panzer BN), a PzGr Regt with 3 motorized and 1 armored panzergrenadier regiments, 3 artillery BN with 1 SP, 1 recon BN, 1 Pioneer BN, 1 Communications BN. It may have had a training battalion as well and a divisional HQ defense company. GD, the 1st-5th and 12th SS Panzer Divisions, and Panzer Lehr had a different organization and these weren't all the same. The late war named divisions, such as FFH and Munchenberg (mispelled I think) were also different. In Normandy the 9th SS or 10th SS had a mixed Panzer IV/StuG battalion and it arrived without its Panther BN, which remained on the Eastern front.
@@ODST6262 correct! both GD & PL were elite
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Going back to your podcast comment of people being more into your Germany centric videos than Japan centric ones, the fact that you read by translating period doccuments vs just having what others translate adds a lot to the authority of your videos.
Always enjoy Bernhard videos, he educates, and challenges your mind. Just completed reading Bayerlein, about Normandy etc. If I understood correctly he moved the transport to the rear, 50k because they could not move due to aircraft. They were only used at night for reserves and logistics, effectively he protected them, because they were key to maintain his divisions effectiveness. So can circumstances effectively force you throw the manual away.His division description is interesting, explaining the difference between total strength and combat strength, his tank regiment quote 1000 mechanics logistics etc to support 200 men in combat. He quotes combat troops are a third of the divisions 17,000 total. Bernhard not sure if you have described a Panzer Divisions structure, I will look, if not your type of explanation would be good.
An interesting comment, after 4 weeks against XXX crops at Tilly he had already committed his pioneer and reconnaissance battalions as Panzer Grenadier he had already commenced to move to Kampfgruppe structures. Got the t shirt this week super graphics.
The point about having support units with indirect fire capability is spot on. In an ideal situation, the tanks would have infantry, and organic artillery (mortars and field artillery), with an ability to provide supporting HE quickly. you can't easily get Stukas and Heavy artillery in a tactical situation.
Ob-stacles with the glottal stop. I love it. You speak English so much better than my grandfather and he immigrated from Moravia to Texas when he was 7 years old.
16:56 This tactic was very effective against the British in North Africa. When the British tanks attacked, they would be hit by AT guns and mines. When the tanks were depleted, the panzers would counter attack.
Cool, a long video! I'll be able to drink two beers for this one!
Nice video :) And my I like cats t-shirt arrived today
Even though I have no knowledge of the German language, I love listening to it being spoken for some reason.
Thank you so much for this video. I'm doing a project on the German Sdkf Halftracks
Thanks this presentation. There is a very interesting Wehrmacht training film from about 1944 on CZcams showing commanders how to use Panzer grenadiers in the counterattack at company/battalion level. It shows the grenadiers mainly fighting more mounted in halftracks as you said. They deploy only to clear enemy positions at the end of the assault. Also the half track are used in an interesting way - they come forward actively at different points of the attack to give fire support with their MG as a group but then withdraw quickly and take up new positions regularly, presumably to avoid being zeroed by tanks, artillery or AT guns. You probably have seen it but I thought I'd mention it anyway. It's kind of like a visualisation of the training manual you were quoting.
I find it very interesting when we get insight into the actual manuals that were used at the time. I served for a few years as mechanized infantry so it's cool to see how the doctrine was developed over time. I'd like to see more of this kind of video!
I haven't watched all of this yet but good god man! The content is amazing
amazing video once again, thank you for your research.
You should make a visualized version of this, plz :)
Its interesting how in entertainment media tanks are rarely shown together with their infantry support units, although in reality tanks are essentially impotent without infantry support. Images from actual wars always show infantry together with the tanks, think of the images of shermans with soldiers siting on them.
I get that! War Thunder people will say WoT is unrealistic, but not mention that tanks are useless without infantry, AT guns, artillery, and mortars. TBH, I used to play Sudden Strike, and it was better than these arcade games at getting the combined arms thing correct. Oh, boy, that was in 2000. Old.
The first Red Orchestra game was really decent at potraying armor combat, with it requiring multiple crewmen to operate the tanks, extremely limited vision, and it being suicidal to go off on your own without any infantry.
A new tank simulator il2 tank crew, has once again ignored infantry support and enemy infantry as well it seems. People seem to think the main role of the tank was to kill other tanks. Thus that is what most tank games are about. After seeing this video it made me wonder how often tanks fought unsupported by panzergrenadier units or it when supported by normal infantry they were mainly dismounted.
The medieval battles are worst. Battles are shown like slaughter. No organisation, no life preservation - cornerstone of any army. All cavalry can do in movies is to ride into enemy pikes or cavalry. Where are the quick crossbow strike "driveby" tactics? That was the main tactic of medieval cavalry.
Well, play ArmA then :)
The word you were looking for at 17:20 is "Schnelle Eingreiftruppe" which is translated to, and now subsequently replaced by, "quick reaction force" (or QRF). Both are official designations in the Bundeswehr for the role of these units during operations.
It's intended to use more English vocabulary, due to the participation in international operations. So QRF is usually preferred.
Even today, it's still something mainly done by the Panzergrenadier-Truppe, because they pack the highest amount of firepower, protection and flexibility.
Very good video. Any statistics on grenadier support unit casualties in Eastern and Western fronts?
I love the fact that YT autogenerated closed captions (Google) make a complete mess of translating German into English. Try it. It's hilarious! Example: 'I'm Bob from pants and shirts...' just one of a multitude of gems :))))))))
The Falkland Islands became the Fucking Islands.
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized so it's not entirely inaccurate :/
I love your videos, quality content, and research. Do you play any strategy games?
He does, talked about it on his main channel a few times, even made a vid about what games get wrong about war.
I love your videos, and I think you should write a book about effectiveness of armys at ww2
Since German infantry didn't have radios at the platoons level it makes sense for panzer grenadier units to be subordinate to the panzers as a line of communication.
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Fair enough
Very interesting video. I am curious, would you consider doing a similar video for the US Armored Infantry from around 1944 or 1945?
Another great episode.
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Sad that we have to go to youtube for real knowledge thank the heavens we got this gangsta for giving us this for free ! The sacrifice of time hes made for our gain . as for all teachers who know what means more than money is that we honor the educator
Don't fall for this trap. People, groups, organisations entire countries and more are just as capable of lying and decieving and tricking us online and in CZcams as they are in "real world".
Our enemy learns long ago that it's important to control "both sides".
Often times this means controlling the narrative on one side, the schools and newsrooms and so forth, but also controlling the counter, which today is "influencers" or big channels on CZcams, twiter and Instagram etc.
They simply delete anyone who gets big who doesn't go along with one of these 2 views.
I'm not suggesting at all this guy is part of this, but please don't fall for the well put together, slick production, softly spoken content, very often these CZcams channels are to mislead us down the "other side".
I'm sure you know this, but the way the comment read to me, hopefully someone else might benefit from at least considering these things
Where did the deficit in firepower (gepanzert Panzergrenadiere vs. mot.) come from? I had always thought that the mounted M.G. 34s on the sdKfz 251/1 were the squad's weapons; am I to assume that the extra burst mass came from the mounted MGs that were in fact permanently fixed to the halftracks?
For indirect fire all you need is eyes on target and communication to the tank. If they can't get the elevation on the gun, move the tank to the reverse slope so they can get the necessary elevation of the gun and adjust fire until you hit the target. A good FO is worth their weight in gold.
What about the differences and similarities between US armored infantry and panzergrenadiere?
The difference is 10 years. The equivalent of a Panzerfaust is the LAW which was designed in 1959. The Panzerfaust was common equipment for the Panzergrenadier. Also the MG42 two in number per section which was still regarded as superior to the M60. The automatic rifle Garand for the GI's is what gave them a fighting chance.
@@CharlesvanDijk-ir6bl And being vastly superior in materiel + air support. US infantry divisions have more tanks than panzer divisions. The germans never had enough of anything.
Love your channel 👍
This is a joy to listen to. I agree.
It is intersting to see that german HQ in august 44 (given the situation in france and russia ) still had resources (personal, time, paper) to revise the Heeresdienstvorschriften...
force multiplier. Such a manual improves the effectiveness and efficiency of training. Additionally, how many guys do you need to write such a manual? 1-3 at best? Then it is likely just an update, the guys writing were likely veterans, but not combat-capable anymore. You should not forget, we are talking about a huge organization that still worked rather well, considering the situation.
This is typical for Germany. Even when.we lose a war, we do it in bureaucratical manner
DinHamburg Patton's son in law raid actually attacked into a training area for their armored troops. lots of resources, lots of veteran fighters who knew the ground.
Interesting. I got a sense of how they work with Panzer divisions as it punches through the defences and the Pz Gren support flanks, and i see now, they were mostly used for counter-attacks. i wonder how they worked in static defense and in withdrawals in say a situation like Operation Bagration and the cllapse of Army Group Center. Were these division likely to escape more easily or were they quickly spent in desperate counter-attacks. Did many make it back to the Vistula?
Well as always great work, but could I ask why you moved the reading of the manual to the end? I think it was more effective in the main text. There maybe some people who find it difficult to go back and forth between languages but I think that this new way is missing some of the context of the old way. (And yes silly American who only speaks one language here, but still thinks you should keep the German in the main section)
This is a treat
A interesting note on the Lehrfilm I reference in the comment below. The SPW infantry is shown co-operating not with tanks, but with panzerjaeger. This reflects the historical reality that, by 1944, the panzerwaffe was increasingly relying on sturmgeschutze and panzerjaeger to supplement or even replace panzer formations, even in the panzer divisions.
The Panzergrenadier (gp) platoon is supporting a defensive line, likely from the film made up from the trucked Panzergrenadier Regiment/Battalions. The Panzerjager IV would support the dug in infantry. The SPW Company was supporting the Regiment. It could have been from the Reconnaissance Battalion as well - but it was a Platoon training film so where the platoon was from likely didn't make a difference.
Have u tried post scriptum yet
definitely my favorite historian
“Rebound” @ 10:10. What does that mean? The shell bounces after it hits the ground and explodes in the air? Or is it talking about skipping rounds off the ground like skipping a flat rock across a pond?
Matthew Merrell it probably refers to shrapnell from the shell bouncing off something and thus traveling further
@MilitaryHistory Do you have the full translated text of the manual available for review?
No
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized original German PanzerGrenadiere training video 1943.
czcams.com/video/C4pCNiYHh6k/video.html
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Interesting discussion about the role & tactics of specialized mobile infantry troops (Wehrmacht) of that era. Also similar vehicles were used by the Allies (M3 Half-track). How come half-track vehicles came out of military use during the Cold War and beyond. Did they have technical difficulties? For example, production of an expensive vehicle that could have been as well performed by a fully tracked APC?
kryts27 pretty easy answer: advances in tracked vehicles made the steering wheels over redundant. They were no longer needed for extra mobility. And it was eventually more cost efficient to to simply make fully tracked vehicles that were just as mobile.
Are their any translated versions of all these manuals you are siting so that we native english speakers can compare tactics. Do you also have the Russian equivalents?
Is there any information on how the Wurfrahmen-40 armed SPWs were used within the order of battle of the Panzergrenadiere? For instance, were they assigned to an armoured engineer company, or to a heavy weapons company, or (as the underlying SPW could still transport infantry) distributed more broadly to the armoured infantry companies?
I think I shortly touched on it in that video: czcams.com/video/Iez6JSb5ndw/video.html
As far as I remember, yes, they were with engineer company, at least at one point, in terms of organization. Of course, that does not mean that during combat they were not reassigned etc. since I know that was the case with some weapons, units, etc.
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized Vielen Dank! This will help me to add the correct tactical markings to the vehicle when building a model.
@@dave38434783 you are welcome.
Of course, there might have been changes to the table of organization and equipment over time.
53rd View, and 9th like. Love this video, great as always, AND I learned a lot. Again. For the 100th time.
Interesting they were short of half tracks, but then they did persist with HT that had front wheel drive where the Americans M3 was basically a non live axle front and a simple truck chassis conversion. In a sense the familiar German complications; would be interesting to adequately compare the capabilities of both.
"Tritt nie auf einen grünen Stein, es könnt ein Panzergreni sein!"
could you do a video on why Crete held out for so long?
only dismouted when necessary? then how they find anti tank or hidden enemy?
I dont think they can notice enemy kill zone before too late if all of them mounted.
“Fighting preferably from the vehicle”, in practical terms, does this mean engaging the enemy with only the shielded MG, or do the rest of the unit fire from over the top of the armoured sides?
Can you do a video on the freikorps because they are very interesting as ww1 veterans who just kept fighting after it
Sami Maitla, he does not do political units like the SS for example. So he won't do a video on the Freikorps as they are not only political, but they even are to be considered terror-units within the political development within Germany. Apart from this being an highly problematic topic he does not cover the political sphere either. The main reason is that within Germany and Austria you very easily get into highly polemical debated, if you touch such topics and of course that he doesn't want to riks demonitazation from CZcams.
You can watch his video with Chieftain on tank fest, if you want to hear this first hand.
What were they fighting for?
I can only follow videos when I am actually watching videos and not when I am working or playing a game. As such, I often prefer podcasts.
As Idt there is much going on visually w this one, I am hoping you can run this one on your podcast. Presently, I am going to listen to your talk w Cheiftan and maybe your new one next. Thanks for t engaging content.
Szechuan Ruffman.....yeah OK CZcams captions really have no idea, right!?!
How about a video on the Panzer Aufklaurng Battalions
avant garde cuts at 8:50 lol
Anyone know where we can find a copy of the panzergrenadiere pamphlet?
Cool...
I don't really understand the mounted fighting stuff: even today Panzergrenadiere dismount for fighting. Their transport vehicle stops, they dismount and fight, mount again. From an offroad moving vehicle you don't hit anything with small arms fire, and even tanks weren't really able to fire whie moving (or at least hit anything). And to use a Geschütz which i gess was towed by the vehicle you also have to dismount. So how can the dismounted fight be the exception? Or did they use the mortars for example from their compartement on the back of a halftrack ? (with the halftrack stopping for the shots)
dismounted as in leaving the vehicle behind entirely, fighting completely as regular infantry... mechanized infantry can normally be driven right into combat because the vehicle can protect them, and it can be near them so they can disengage quickly. dismounted means being far from vehicles and fighting solely on foot.
open top half-tracks allowed for firing from the mounted vehicle. Well, mounted fighting doesn't necessarily mean you don't stop. Yeah, mortars were made to fire from inside.
theguy9208: was this the definition of dismounted back then or still today? to illustrate my confusion: when i hear abgesessen/dismounted (i had infantery training but never anything like panzergrenadier) that means to me my feet are touching the ground while aufgesessen/mounted means my feet are not touching the ground.
MHnV: do understand it correct: while normal infantery spreads out as far as reasonable and possible left to right to not present a single crowded easy target they stayed close to or on/in the vehicle to save time while hoping that the armor of the halftrack is enough.
well at least Swedish soldiers fight mounted in their CV9040 until they are at the break in point, then they dismount. It is very effective and keep the momentum in the assault up and the enemy down in cover. in the old pbv302 you sometimes even fired the "carl gustav" 84mm recoilless rifle while mounted.
and of course, sometimes you want to breaktrough and there is no time or need to dismount, but you do still need the firepower and sometimes you want to do a driveby of sort but not use the 40mm autocannon.
Can you tell us, generally speaking, what would the frontage of a Panzer Grenadier company be? How wide of a distance across? Also, how many Panzers would normally support a Panzer Grenadier battalion? The wargamer in me needs to know. lol
Love your videos, very good work.
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Advance with the tanks, stabilize the flanks, provide indirect and direct fire support. I can see why, in a mobile fight, the PzGr (GP) might stay with their halftracks. Against an organized defense, however, specific spots would be isolated with smoke and attacked by artillery first. Nobody wants to take armor into a killing field covered by enemy ATG/PaK, but, with the tanks forward, and all enemy gunners fixated on them, alone (wouldn't you?), you could probably move the PzGr up to advantageous dismounting spots or zones where they can support the main attack with organic SiG33, and leFlaK weapons. Save on Halftracks that way, which is what USA doctrine was like.
The dangers were well appreciated. Soviet troops were masters of maskirovka and an as yet undetected Antitank rifle--or ten--might shoot you somewhere you're vulnerable. Grenades, air burst artillery, ATRs . . . PanzerGrenadiere, behind 12mm of armor at best, were certainly vulnerable . . . but less so than unarmored troops set the same tasks. A big advantage was the sheer number of maschinengewehr and other automatic weapons possessed by the PzGr; much greater than those of similar trucked units.
Stielgranate 41, which is more easily confused with the Stielgranate 42 than, as the video says the Stielhandgranate 24, was a HEAT anti-tank shell fired by the Pak 36.
The only Panzergrenadiere action I'm really familiar with was at the beginning of Wacht am Rhein and it was the other type of Grenadiere and they were poorly trained and operating independently of a Panzer force. So nothing here applies to that situation.
how the hell do you even get your hands on that kind of stuff.. thats nuts.
The 1943-45 Panzergrenadier Divisions had on paper a Panzer Battalion (often StuG instead of tanks) and six Panzerjager battalions in two Regiments. It is still unclear to me if one of those Panzergrenadier battalions was gp or if they were all motorized. Can you answer that?
looking at the Panzergrenadier-Division 44 layout from the Org. Department (sadly undated), I see 2 Regiments "Gren. Reg. (mot)" with 3 Battalions each, all of them are just motorized. Yet, the in the Panzer-Division 44, we have 2 Panzergrenadier-Regimenter with 2 battalions each and in this case one battalion is armored. See also: czcams.com/video/e2HD2ZTs_Kg/video.html
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized Yes. It appears that the only half-tracks in the 44 Panzergrenadier Division are in the HQ, possibly the Pioneer BN (1 coy) and the Armored Reconnaissance BN (1 250 and 1 251 Coy). The Panzergrenadier Regt appear to be motorized only.
I'm surprised that German tanks weren't equipped to provide indirect fires; American Shermans (and pretty much every other American tank up until the Abrams series) were equipped to provide IDF, although I'm assuming that not all tankers were fully trained or experienced enough to do so without at least some preparation. As far as counter-breakthrough missions being called "firemen missions," the US 1st Marine Brigade was used for similar missions around the Pusan Perimeter during the Korean War, where it was often referred to as a "fire brigade." Thanks for another interesting video!
but they were able to provide indirect fire.
I guess Munzel's definition of indirect fire and yours are different. You can use a Tank to provide it by putting him on a ridge or something etc. But not really in the open, e..g. Shoot at this trench 500 m in front, whereas a mortar can.
I know that this has nothing to do with the video but I have this question since a long time and didn't find an answer on it yet : How does it come that in average around 1000 shells were needed by the german army to destroy one enemy tank? Even if including the lost shells due retreat or the shells which were in a destroyed tank this number still sounds pretty high to me
Where does the number come from? How did the number come about? If you say they included shells being lost without firing, I assume they just took the total number of shells being delivered to the fighting troops. Then they would also have included targets that were not enemy tanks but other enemy targets besides tanks which are also numerous.
Also, how did they count the lost enemy tanks? By number of complete losses, so not including damaged tanks that could later be repaired when the enemy did not lose the territory the fights occurred in? That would also lower the number of destroyed enemy tanks.
"Where does the number come from?"
MHV mentioned it in the Video about the Panzerfaust
Ah, ok. But I assume he did not count it himself. Well, it does not matter where it comes from, the more important question was about the method (as mentioned thereafter).
that's why I am asking him
I see. Sorry, I took it as a general question and not specifically for him. My bad.
Do a vid about the state of the Bundeswehr?
That might be counterproductive
Military History not Visualized how so?
SS wiking was pannzergrens right?
They had some too yes
pre'43, yes; post'44 panzer div
A Panzer division had also Panzergranediere the same way a Panzergrenadier Division had tanks.
Even the name is missleading. The Panzergrenadierdivision Großdeutschland for example had actually more tanks then any tank division.
Yep, GrossDeutschland had a very high proportion of tanks. They were a 'fire brigade' division, used to shore up the collapse of front line units. They had Tiger I.
Yeah. I've read several books on German Armored crews in WWII and they were always chasing the infantry away who tried to used the tank as cover. The Americans on the other hand - routinely used tanks as cover or at least - so the pictures I've seen would lead me to believe.
There is a book on Amazon on American Armored Infantry Tactics in WWII
www.amazon.com/World-Armored-Infantry-Tactics-Elite/dp/1846036925
Last month I would probably have bought this - but ... I've done that a few times to often lately and have to much of a back log of books to get through right now.
I also found this - Field Manual 17-2(57)
Armored Infantry Units - Platoon, Company and Battalion in PDF format.
www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM17-20%2857%29.pdf
There's actually quite a lot. Here's the google search I did
www.google.com/search?q=American+Armored+Infantry+Tactics+In+WWII&client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=SfhmXbyeHtX3-gTwgKaoCg&start=10&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwj85r2Qx6bkAhXVu54KHXCACaUQ8tMDCJkB&biw=1280&bih=617
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SO WHEN DID THE GP GET A FLAMETHROWERS NOT SEEN IN SOVIET BATTLE GROUND .
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Agreed. Don't let them take it off you.
What is he saying right after 3:10 ? is sounds like he is saying 3000 kilograms of "burst mass", but that doesn't make sense.
Which of you fools disliked this video !
Wie haben Sie so gut Englisch gelernt? Die Engische Sprache ist schwer. Bravo.
Don Squires Quatsch, die englische Sprache ist doch nicht schwer. Not at all.
It's not hard at all.
I advise starting to watch porn from USA or UK and install your future video games in english.
If you don't get it, I can repeat this message in german if you like to.
Gepanzert battalions were designed to attack in support of panzer attack,,...but not actually follow the tanks. That way two groups would arrive at the objective at the same time. With modern Marder battalions it was explained to me the organic firepower was to shoot their way into and out of an objective.
Germans had 10-20,000 half-tracts through most of the war....but most were used in support of artillery flak and engineers etc. infantry were not that important , i guess.
“...the one’s who were armoured and the ones who just used drugs...” 😂
Ahh, german version, music for my ears. deutschland uber alles, yes? From russian with love.
Please do specify that you will be reading german materials in the original for a good portion of the video (in the final part). At least we will know how to react. I doubt that you will be listening "par example" to an presentation presented in a foregn language that you don't know. As for a solution please provide translation in a written form in english, at least i wish i could understand what you are reading there :).
Halftracks are so easily knocked out...
Did MHV grow a bigger beard or lose weight? Looks different.
Panzergrenadiers: Hitler's answer to the Canadian Mounties?
Ich mag deinen Kanal echt gerne nur ich würde es feiern wenn du deutsche Videos machen würdest das wäre gut für die die nicht so gut in Englisch sind
Pro Minute, die du siehst stecken 1-3 Stunden Arbeit dahinter.
Und Nein, auf Deutsch wäre es nicht weniger Arbeit. Vollständige Ausführung: czcams.com/video/x3p4dUFB_vU/video.html
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized ich weiß dass es arbeit ist aber es würde mehr Abonnenten geben aber mir soll es Recht sein ich mag deine Videos trotzdem
nein, würde es nicht, weil wenn ich mehr deutsche Videos mache, kann ich weniger englische Videos produzieren.
Back in the mid 1960s when I was an adolescent, we indulged in immature humor by referring to the "panzer grenadiers" as being the "pansy grenadiers". And yes, we knew from our fathers and uncles that the panzer grenadier troops were most certainly not effeminate...
And apropos of adolescent humor, we who were taking German in high school got away with using profanity and scatology in public by disguising it as German.
"Das ist überhaupt upgefückt!!" - That is completely fucked up.
So my grandad was in the africa korps oder. Italy and captured. Either in africa or italy by the british so i know shit. Except this he wasa corprel from E Prusia ? How can i find more information since german military will not give info
can you start translating german tank mannuals for the chieftains hatch so we get more german tanks shown? xd
You only need to see the perfection of the PzIII to get it. That fighting compartment is design genius. BTW, when I'm the UK prime minister in 2035 or something, somebody will dig up this comment, and use it to say I'm a bad person. They will cut out the bit after the word genius :(
What happened to your famous/beloved graphics? Btw, can my country (USA) finally pull our troops out since EU doesn’t want to pay for our protection anymore?
Wrong channel, I have 2
Graphics, yes. Good question regarding US-Europe relations. The political situation migh seem as something that has only to do with some sort of membership fee. The US cannot pullout unless they want to :
A) Undermine their own security, diplomatic efforts, and their presence in Europe.
B) The US has some, but not that many allies. If the US would eventually leave
its Allies and thus their actions could create a power-vacuum in the
region which would directly play in to
the hands of their adversaries.
C) The EU is not that much of a a military alliance, altough it has some power.
NATO plays a central role in preseving peace and stability, and it provides a real and functional way of deterring
current threats and possible future aggression.
This is certainly in the interest of Washington too, to have tangible leverage where their core-Allies are. A posible all-out pull-out
might result in near future problem, which is way more costlier than any current costs in the defence.
Not to mention other drastic changes in European security issues.
Die deutsche Sprache ist nun bereit abgeschafft zu werden. Wir bedanken uns bei Military History für den Fortschritt auf diesem Weg.
> Die deutsche Sprache ist nun bereit abgeschafft zu werden. Wir bedanken uns bei Military History für den
> Fortschritt auf diesem Weg.
ja klar, deshalb ist auch der komplette deutsche Original-Text bei unseren ersten beiden Büchern dabei und auch komplett kommentiert, inklusive dem Glossar:
» The Assault Platoon of the Grenadier-Company November 1944 (StG 44) - sturmzug.com
» Army Regulation Medium Panzer Company 1941 - www.hdv470-7.com
Desweiteren haben wir auch keine Konferenz zu Panzern auf Deutsch organisiert: (leider Corona-bedingt auf 2022 verschoben):
www.startnext.com/achtung-panzer/blog/beitrag/verschiebung-der-panzerkonferenz-auf-2022-p94940.html
Und bzgl. strategischer Kommunikation, mal dieses Video auf Deutsch(!) ansehen: czcams.com/video/ti6Vwt04sWw/video.html aber du gehörst wohl zu jenen, die lieber amerikanischen und anderen nicht-deutschsprachigen CZcamsrn die Deutungshoheit über die deutsche Militärgeschichte auf CZcams überlassen würden.
Und wenn es zeitlich möglich ist, mach ich auch was auf Deutsch:
czcams.com/video/qOU7udBe8o8/video.html
Ansonsten ich bin aus Österreich, mehr dazu im oben erwähnten Video.
Kommst du von Deutshland, ja weilsch schalli kommst du von,
Intrsted in your own history ?????
Or do you only care about generals and money ?
?
Can you stop publishing videos that you say or imply are about tactics if primarily you're just going to give a table of equipment. Way too many of your videos are like this.
I mentioned one gun and a lot of the overall mission aspects, maybe rewatch the video.
Of course they think the Tanks can do anything. The whole propaganda machine was more or less telling them that, and it was so effective that people still believe it today.