An Analysis of Body Positive Propaganda
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Visual manipulation in body positive propaganda, subliminal messaging in body positive ads, core elements of body positive propaganda.
00:00 - Fashion ad (mild example with core messages)
07:10 - Aggressive slay queen feminist body positive ad
10:12 - Ice Cream ad
13:42 - Adidas 'athlete' ad
19:02 - Cosmopolitan pro-obesity cover
23:41 - London tube anti--beauty campaign
27:53 - The hidden ugly
31:03 - Proctor and Gamble ads
33:27 - The nightmare wonderland of body positivity - Zábava
00:00 - Fashion ad (mild example with core messages)
07:10 - Aggressive slay queen feminist body positive ad
10:12 - Ice Cream ad
13:42 - Adidas 'athlete' ad
19:02 - Cosmopolitan pro-obesity cover
23:41 - London tube anti--beauty campaign
27:53 - The hidden ugly
31:03 - Proctor and Gamble ads
33:27 - The nightmare wonderland of body positivity
Top video as always!
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I wouldnt worry much about these body positive moments, they are promoting one thing with their words, but their actions will get these people killed faster....
so less in the gene pool and less burden to societry and social security...
the people who dislike this bodypositivity movement nonsense and the people who promote it are actually on the page and side...
People can't' just think few steps ahead whats going on :D
... have you EVER seen obscenely fat people who are old? have you seen old fat people before? they all die before 50
wasn tehre some influencer superfat so called "model" , who literally died from obesity recently.. some woman who claimed body positivity etc that she super healthy,y andl iterlaly died from heart attack.. rofl
Don't worry.... Hypertension and Diabetes at very young age will teach them the AUTHENTIC REALITY ..+... It is a biological physics fact..+. remember ... this is worse than smoking ...
You do realize beauty is subjective, right? Not everyone has to find the same thing attractive. Also, weight isn't always the best decider of fitness. Sumo wrestlers are massive AF, but they still have healthy bodies because of their exercise. Just because you can't get off to every woman doesn't mean they aren't attractive. Now, there are definitely examples of "body positive" crusaders who go too far. Honestly, I'd say both sides of the argument suck, but you're not doing anyone any favors with this video. Now go touch some grass, stop being sexist, and leave these women alone. I mean, no one is forcing you to watch these ads.
I guess 00:00 doesn't work, has to be 0:01
Body positivity was meant for people with disabilities/scars/deformities. I think we all support that, but not for people that just make bad lifestyle choices and want no accountability.
ah yes...accountability. After 40+++ years AIDs still afflicts 'The Usual Suspects' but we can't talk about those compulsions and choices, though anti virals allow those afflicted to live a lot longer than before. Now we got the Monkey Pox--can't 'stigmatize' that illness now, either. And we can't mention when children have monkey pox (why do they got the pox around their rectums? Can't go there...)
@@bradjohnson4126 as said by Syndrome, in the Incredibles: "if everyone's a super, then no-one is
This, i thought it wa one of those....dare I say... "appropriated" terms and was originally for people with disabilites but then was taken over by people who are injuring themselves on purpose.
@@bradjohnson4126 I don't think the original use was for everyone thinking they were "beautiful" but to help people accept themselves the way they were and find positives in a body they cannot change. Of course Obese people CAN change but just don't want to and that is why it is so disgusting that they stole the term.
@@bradjohnson4126 I think what the commenter was saying was that if you can't change the way you look, don't be ashamed of it. that we as normal looking people shouldn't gook nor make fun of these things and give them the dignity of not bring attention to their oddities.
I hate the message of "everyone is perfect the way they are. There couldn't possibly be something wrong with you - you don't have a problem, everyone else is the problem."
It also means that there would be absolutely zero reason to ever improve yourself in any way.
Why bother learning something, why bother training to achieve a new skill - you're already perfect anyways.
It's really tragic
Funny how that message never applies to Alcoholics or Drug addicts.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Yep, and as with other addicts, you can't really help them until they realize that they need help
It is a dumb message, especially for people like me that think I can always improve myself and always try to, in body, mind, and spirit
@@pyropulseIXXI I'm glad to see that you guys agree
"Sexually objectifying a woman is only okay if the woman isn't hot." - So true. It's incredible how ridiculous the world is right now and how easily some people are influenced to think these ways.
Women sexually objectify men on a far greater scale than blokes do women ! Ultimately most of them do realise that an out of shape millionaire is a better bet than a fit fella without a pot to piss in. But they are always prey for the naughty boy type.
It's just the same old american capitalism model about making money over trends. Back in the days it was christian & family values, now its body positivity and progressism, but in the end its just agressively pushing down your throat some form of lifestyle whether its liberal or conservative to sell you stuff. And no its not a cultural war, its just business, consuming shlt.
I have 335 days sober today from heroin, methamphetamine, and benzodiazepines; imagine if this message was sold to me before I started my recovery journey. . . . .
"You're perfect the way you are Nick, even though you're underweight living in a rat-infested shithole injecting dope and meth into your arm every six hours, it isn't you that's broken, it's actually the world around you that's become corrupted and decadent, live your true life Nick, embrace your imperfections, don't change who you are on the inside for a hyper-critical populace that thinks healthy means 'drug-free'. . . . ." And so on like that.
I despise a message that looks upon health with scorn. A message that views self-improvement as a vacuous pursuit. That is poison to my ears. Thank you for your videos Despot
Congratulations on 335 days clean. You should be proud of that. You make an excellent point about how this ideology simply affirms self destructive behavior. The people pushing couldn't care less about the people they claim to represent, if they did, they'd tell them ro lose weight. Keep up the sobriety king!
@@DespotofAntrim thank you. I feel like we should have the same attitude towards obesity that we have towards drug addicts. Unfortunately, we're fighting a culture war demonstrated by the ads in your video. It makes me think about a Cosmo cover with a heroin chic model lying on a bed of garbage, a needle sticking out of her arm, with a headline reading "This is healthy". Honestly, the messaging is equivalent in a lot of ways.
Total respect to you man! I've just been in treatment for alcoholism, drinking a liter or so of vodka each day before I got in. I'm still on Methadone and I need the least potent benzo (oxazepam) just to avoid panic attacks, and I can't imagine what a trip you'd have to go through to get away from heroin and benzo. Meth is a different story, I think it's probably the most damaging drug in the world. I used it for a couple of months, some guy had in some way gotten lots of perfect, big crystals and sold it for almost nothing, and I simply lost my mind. So glad it was not commonly available anywhere else. "Normal" speed is bad enough.
Keep doing the good work. Hope you still are going strong.
Former addict here. Nice ome Nicholas. Good luck on your journey mate.
Good work dude 🙌🙋♂️
I remember when it was mostly about not becoming anorexic, but then it escalated to this.
Holy crap, you're right. That must've been about 15 years ago, I think. I'd almost forgotten how this got started.
Funny thing is people who lost a leg and make lego peg legs, or girl showing off her bionic Alita styled arms do way more to the original message meant than all this bs.
And yes, I did say showing off... Because they look kewl af. I get the whole 'natural looking' for wedding pics/social stuff. But irl it just looks off, actual bionic limbs though... 😊
It was honestly impressive how fast things got out of control...
I don't know why, but I thought it was about teenagers too. But something normal like not being 1,80 m tall or not having perfect skin with 15 or not having a solid D cup, because almost nobody has.
@@followthewhiterabbit884
'normal' like being 180 cm ... That's already eradicating 95% of males, let alone females.
I'm above that stupid height 'need', but seeing friends, good people, go through that shit..., Was Bruce Lee 6"?
They want to have it both ways.
Showing women in skimpy outfits is disempowering to women because it objectifies them
BUT ALSO
Showing women in skimpy outfits is empowering to women because of body and sex positively.
You can’t have both of those things.
Normally that's called insanity.
Oh come on, you know. It is good when they do it, but bad when you do it. Once you understand that it all makes sense.
Legit obese men can get fucked and only they need to lose weight, obese women however are hot the way they are!
We are walking contradictions.
Doublethink for the win ...
Bring back body shaming is what got me into shape; as a 13-year-old from being overweight, I took responsibility and started jogging, and dieting, I became so much happier with my life.
There's a difference between learning to be comfortable in your own skin, and being in denial.
Good gosh that ice cream advert! It's just saying "Eat our ice cream as much as you want! Who cares if you get fat? It'll make us money!"
Won’t lie… she was kinda fine though
@@johnmartin298 'fine?' I think the word you was looking for is FAT
Apparently putting down thin/ muscular women and mocking women who exercise and try to better their health is absolutely fine. But the rules are different if you do the same to larger women.
And beautiful, thin women dressing sexy is to be attacked and criticized, while fat women who have not earned that privilege doing the same is to be celebrated.
@@DespotofAntrim Amen 🙏, like seriously, it's annoying, to my family, always said that women/people. Who ACTUALLY TRY to better themselves get respect, not those who blindly say "I'm fine", when in reality if your unhealthy, and CALL IT HEALTHY, than it's the opposite (practically toxic)
@@DespotofAntrim And now we have all those 'fitness influencers' who film themselves in the gym complaining about being gawked at by 'pervs'.
It isn't fine either way. The body belongs to a person, it's as simple as being an owner. An owner can do to a possession anything. As in, absolutely anything. You telling them what to do is absolutely like going to an owner of the car and telling 'hey, you don't treat your car right, it could break '.
Get away from others cars, you creep! Go get your own!
@@olgakuranova7986 giving car advice is benevolent and well-intentioned in most occasions, so the metaphor falls apart
I am over 50 and moderately overweight, thanks to this video, I am throwing away the potato chips, cupcakes, and frozen pizza in my kitchen and decided to discipline myself into exercising again. I don't want to look like those body-positive ladies.
Is it working?
At 50, being overweight like these gives a set of far more dangerous problems.
Good for you. 2 months on, how’s it going?
Good job!
if ur american, that will not be enough... there's something sickening and fundamentally wrong with american food industry and food .
You even have chinese import food... (sounds really trustworthy quality)...
i know multiple people who came to america, didnt change diet wich they had in europe.. and gained like 15-20kg randomly...
After living in US for 6months, went back to Europe, also didnt change his diet, and lost 15-20kg...
American food is poison, not food as it seems.. so its note ntirely peoples fault that there's so many fat people in america..
so many fatties... and americans dont even question, that something is wrong...
fat people are also usually rteally dfumb people.. fat people nerfs b rain activity severely... thats why americans are also very dumb people on the planet...
15.-year old level articulation of geopoilitics etc and dedbating skills... is considered in america some genius level shit...
like that young guy Ben Shapiro, for americans his somekind of super smart and genius guy ...
in europe, his some random dude ; ] , every 2nd person is like that in europe.. its like child level shit what comes out of his mouth, his not smart...
well mabye he is, in american standards rofl..
What's hilarious is that the company knows exactly who's more attractive in the ads, they wouldn't have 3 hot girls next to one less attractive girl if they DIDNT know she was less attractive. It's like just having to tell you she's attractive means they know she's not.
I despise these adverts and can’t understand how anyone, especially women, can’t see how stupid the message being pushed is
A lot of people are too cowardly to speak out against this filth, and they should, this is akin to promoting smoking, they don't so much agree with it as they submit to it.
@@DespotofAntrim Exactly, but I'd argue submitting and capitulating to it is effectively approving it. Akin to watching someone get beaten to death in public with no attempt to interject. This message objectively kills people as well, just over time.
Any message repeated often gains credibility. And some combination of being very young, being surrounded by peers who hold a certain belief, not being exposed to opposing viewpoints (or only caricatures of those viewpoints), and lacking scientific literacy, make it very likely that a certain belief is adopted.
Advertisers will parrot anything if it increases sales, and will push any narrative if it drives up consumption in general. That's the world we live in I suppose.
Since when I learned about WW2, propaganda and 'if you tell a lie big and often enough, people will believe it' as a kid, a red flag goes off with me whenever a certain thing is repeated multiple times... especially when it's in the same (npc) matter. And then I feel the need to look into it further.
People nowadays lack critical thinking.
Women who either grew up into this condition or lived long enouugh with it as adults -those women have often stopped listening to themselves, to the pleas of their own bodies. They adapted to such condition, subconsciously refusing to accept to work hard to get rid of it. They are so used to the very idea that it's all a question of aesthetic, that these ads easily appease to it. They already retreated into their own world, they just want a pat on the back and interact only with models and people who reflect them. The marketing devils understood it perfectly and are making money making them think better of themselves.
Not going to lie, that old woman might not be good-looking, but she likely has a much nicer personality.
If I'm looking like that when I'm eighty, I know I did something right. She might not be attractive in the classical sense, but she has what the jiggly chick lacks: dignity and self-respect.
She'll live longer too
She was probably a traditional woman that did a lot more for society and deserves better treatment, and she is probably still of more practical value despite being old.
Let me just say as an obese bloke, nothing has motivated me to improve my lifestyle, health, fitness, and weight more than the body positivity movement and trends. Seeing this bullshit everywhere and watching people rightfully tear it apart always pushes me to keep trying. Who needs music to workout to when I can just watch videos like this that make me want to work twice as hard ahah.
When the ice cream warthog runs down the hallway like Quasimodo I cried laughing like they really didn’t do her any favors with that one
They weren't doing any favors for the floor, either. Or the Earth's crust.
The old lady was surprised that fatso was eating a whole bucket of ice cream by herself. Probably thought 'That would last me a month, or two, especially on my pension'
Everything that was weird and gross is now stunning and brave
-Peter Griffin
Lmao it's insane family guy is the show that is now spewing truth
"men aren't fat, only fat women are fat" -Peter
It’s sad how on point that is 😂 💀
family guy hasnt been funny in decades - everyone
@@joejoe2658 No one was even saying family guy was funny. - Me.
It's like they want to normalize obesity so we don't focus on how utterly broken our food system is.
And so big pharma can have 10s of millions of new customers.
It's simple--obese people can't revolt, and they can be controlled more easily. Your brain gets in a fog when you're that messed up.
You don't need to be rich to not eat garbage. Most young people don't know how to cook for shit.
Notice how this movement is exclusively for women.
As a woman, I don't actually mind seeing a variety of healthy sizes (not everyone has to be a size 2) so we can see what clothes would actually look like on us. Fat people exist and spend money, so I think it's smart to show them what they'll look like in the clothes.
But pushing obesity as healthy, glamorous, and beautiful is pure evil.
As a man, I don't value women's opinions when you got the political majority like a hundred years ago and did nothing but exacerbated PC and coddle culture for degenerates. Real women were against feminism from the beginning, but clearly moderns don't have any serious beliefs and are unwilling to actually draw sword on real world problems. You just want to coddle them instead. That's exactly how we got here.
Yay, you've found the rational middle ground. Welcome.
Well wearing tents and jersey leggings/tops gotta get boring after a while.
Clothing designers, manufacturers can only do so much
This is a really good way to debunk this movement:
Why don’t we have anorexic models on these ads? People should be happy with the way they look regardless of it being unhealthy right? Someone should fund ads with fat women and anorexic women and the same body positivity messages, that would wake people up to this.
The ones pushing it are also pushing that if you are 400 pounds you can be completely healthy and it’s just genetic. It’s actual lies. Manipulative tactics on sad depressed overweight women. It’s awful.
Great idea!
The idea is that not all larger bodies are unhealthy. The body positive movement is about supporting your healthiest natural appearance, which does, in fact, include larger bodies. People on both sides of the argument do sometimes take things to extremes, however. Severe obesity causes a lot of problems and shouldn't be encouraged.
@@kristenrasmussen4135The number of people out there who can genuinely have a big body and actually be healthy and not overweight is so small that they had to win the genetic lottery (naturally excluding strongman sumo wrestlers among others since they train to have a lot of muscle mass below what seems like excess fat even if it is not) but those of the body positive movement suggest that it is super common or at least with the number of them who self-proclaim having this super rare physical condition that most likely never was. but those of the body positive movement suggest that it is super common or at least with the number of them who self-proclaim having this super rare physical condition that most likely never was. but those in the body positive movement suggest that it is super common or at least with the amount of them who self diagnose having this super rare physical condition that most likely It was never tried or tested by a competent doctor but was made by someone who has no idea about medicine but feels that way.
@kristenrasmussen4135
“Healthy” and “larger bodies” are mutually exclusive, as obesity is inextricably linked with health problems.
Even to this day I don't understand why anyone would want to be so fat. You can't run, going up stairs or getting out of a car is suddenly a massive challenge, walking for extended periods leaves you in buckets of sweat and gasping for air, you likely have multiple health problems, getting on a plane or even going to the bathroom is hard. What exactly is there to be Positive about?
It's because the obesity is a symptom of a much deeper underlying issue. If you ever watch any of these fat videos you notice a common trend among a lot of them is that the obese person typically is a narcissist, refuses to take any responsibility for their actions and often will mentally abuse the people around them who are just trying to help and manipulate them into being complicit in their disgusting lifestyle.
If someone's serious about losing the weight they're gonna do it, I'd they just complain about how they're fat but don't do anything to improve it its just because they want the sympathy points.
No one wants to be fat; only lazy people that are too lazy to prevent themselves and then say "I want to be fat" to avoid admitting that the reason they are fat is due to having no will power
@@homeygfunkoffacherryfruitl4971 Or they're lazy==that's my excuse.
It hurts to work out.
There is pleasure in eating what we want.
So to be in shape someone has to face a marginally painful effort AND turn down the pleasure of eating what they want.
People don't choose to be fat, they simple default to it because healthy isn't an easy path.
The thing there's to be positive about is the test for diabetes.
In basic training we had a ‘big’ dude that could run faster than everyone else. It was surprising as hell. He came from farm work so we just assumed he had muscles under all that. He didn’t smoke either so his lungs were immaculate.
Takin bets before the PT test lol
I would not call anyone in the first ad fat. The biggest girl there was still normal weight. That one had nothing wrong with the models honestly, just the tone of the ad. The other ones i can't defend.
The opening was a warm up example and a good summary of the central messages of body positivity.
Dude you should check out some of the insane stuff going on in the fat acceptance movement if you think body positivity is weird. It's basically "healthcare is fatphobia, diet culture is genocide, not being attracted to fat women is fatphobia, obesity is not unhealthy, and losing weight is impossible and unhealthy." It's mind blowing.
I've heard about some of that nonsense, my understanding is that it's mostly slobs on tiktok.
@@DespotofAntrim It's loudest on tiktok, but I've heard multiple stories of that movement effecting people irl and causing them to shun friends and family who try to lose weight, or persecute people with restrictive eating disorders and call them "fatphobic" it's kinda disturbing.
Kind of?@@HannahKayW
I'm still boycotting P&G because of that Gillette ad.
I'll never buy Gillette again.
Which ad? Is it on CZcams?
@@AP-nj1mr The men-shaming ad, yes it is on CZcams but it's unlisted by Gillette, meaning that you will have do some digging to find it
@@DespotofAntrimgame changa!
Thank you for helping get me off my ass and working out. I put on more weight than I've ever had during the pandemic and then succumbed to my depression, anxiety and self-pity. After watching this I realized how sick I am of my own bullshit and I'm getting up and out of my own way.
Update: since posting this I've lost 40lbs.!
In the words of Abraham Lincoln:
"Commitment is what transforms a promise into reality." Stay committed king.
The hardest thing is just getting up and starting.
It started as something good and perverted into something bad. Fashion models use to be so thin they looked sick. Making them so fat they look sick is not the answer.
Just like pretty much every "movement" of the last decade or so.
I honestly don’t know how they do it. I used to be overweight but not obese. Even being only 30 KG overweight makes life uncomfortable. Summer was unbearable.
seriously, i live in the north and i get laid off'ed in the winter so i gotta sit around for half a year, and man last summer was a wake up call now that im getting into my early 30s my metabolism is slowing down so now i have to work out to stay in shape. Last summer the first 60 days were awful and as it got hotter i literally was like " nope were fasting cause we gotta drop some weight", idk how tf they can live like this, who tf wants to hold their breath trying to tie a boot or mag some concrete, you can literally feel your body deteriorate when your overweight,the feeling is disgusting. to avoid what i fucked off last winter i made my own weight room in the garage this winter, cant run where i live cause its a ice ridden shit hole lol, but managed to keep the belly of this year. idk how tf they can live like that.
@@101bravohotel6 lol. Oh man. The boot thing was horrible. Doesn’t take much of a belly to cut off your breathing 😂.
I used to have to buy petroleum jelly for between my legs too.
@@stanrix LMAO same here, you really notice it when you have to do that .
I had 15kg to lose of which 10 are gone…cannot tell you how much better I look and feel!
As someone that was always skinny, I have no idea how much you can eat to even get to that size. Shouldn't there be like a natural born instinct of feeling"full" that stops someone from 'over eating'?
Do they lack that instinct?
The Machiavellian in me admires their carefully constructed manipulations. The compassionate human being in me knows this is killing people and is disgusted.
To fight this evil, we must first understand it.
They aren't carefully constructed, though. It is so transparent and obvious as to what they are doing. And Machiavellianism isn't about manipulating people; it is about being a good ruler. That obviously requires some degrees of manipulation, but that isn't the primary thing
@@pyropulseIXXI I believe Machiavellianism is also a psychological term. That's the one I was using.
If by carefully constructed you mean congealed gelatinous deposits as a manifestation of insincere affirmation cynically employed for money, I concur.
The key is integrating our shadows so we can kick Satan in the cunt.
A good message would be "love your body,so don't let it down" or something like that. Sounds more realistic
It started as a backlash against an unhealthy body type but it went overboard and now it's promoting another instead
That seems to be a recurring problem these days. We start off with nasty views from the past that people create movements to correct. But somewhere along the line, these movements get fanatical about their views, pushing and pushing them until they're the only view you're allowed to have and become just as toxic and nasty as what they were meant to replace. And they despise any attempt to rein them in, because that runs the risk that they aren't in the right.
Women's rights became Woman are better in every way; Representation became Race Swapping and shoehorned Diversity; Afrocentrism became Africans did everything meaningful. And of course, standing up to White Supremacists became Racism of it's own.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room: these are heavy conversations and the topics of body shaming and fat acceptance are not treated with weight they deserve. I know we all hope that those affected receive the massive support they so desperately require.
Nobody seems to understand the gravity of this huge dilemma. This is a subject that's weighed with lots of hefty emotional trauma, so to not really take a step back and appreciate the size of these women's hearts and courage is to do them a massive disservice.
This is a whale of a topic that absolutely should not be dropped.
Great puns 🤣
In attempting large scale social engineering, this growing movement has bitten off more than it can chew.
If they were treated with the weight they deserve, the stage they are standing on would collapse
😂😂😂
I dunno if they should call it a "movement". I'm sure lots of movement tires these people out quick.
More of a bowel movement than anything
LOL !
The only “movement” they ascribe to or able to achieve!!
@@sallyb1689 "Movement" ? The only move they make is to the fridge !!!!!!!
👍🤣🤣🤣
Translation: We are too lazy and love food too much, so make society find us attractive
I also feel like body positivity should be more about: “It’s okay that you aren’t a super model.” Not everyone has to be perfect. I don’t want to have six-pack abs, and don’t have the time to maintain a muscular gigachad body. Nor do I have the leisure of planning out my meals for optimal nutrition and gains. I eat what I can afford, go for walks regularly, and I am healthy. Am I a model? No. And that is okay. It goes without saying that being fat is not okay but I have to say that or I might get lynched for having an opinion.
Oof. Keep growing up darlin,' you're getting there.
Hm, not sure what you mean by that@@DatJNP
@@DatJNPthey actually have the most mature and reasonable perspective of everyone I've seen in this comment section.
@@DatJNPthis person is years more mature than you.
@@kenv9191Yeah, saying "oof" shows that.
There is a big difference between “thic” and just flat out a fat body…
Now they are all Thictims instead of feeling shame being fat now they just blame you and proclaim victimhood.
for real. the "fat" aerie chick in the beginning is not even that fat. i'd call her thick, and she has a healthy body size, i would say. her and i have a very similar body type and i just naturally hold on to some fat like that. i always joke and tell people my body is designed for long mediaeval winters and hasn't caught up with the modern world yet lol
@@r.8902 lol
Worry not. While he likes the comment of everyone who agreed with him. The guy in video would simply ignore your comment because it is uncomfortable.
That girl on the right in front of the beach body ready sign was a good example of that. I'd even say that's a healthy weight.
Our culture celebrates the ugly in every possible form. It seeks to destroy aspiration, goals, dreams and achievements under an ocean of convenience. From media to architecture to models, we glorify the basest impulses of humanity rather than the effort required to improve. Sad.
The powerful elites in our society certainly want that, though it is opposed by the vast majority of the population. We are being ruled by people who despise us.
@@DespotofAntrim Absolutely. A society of people who understand happiness isn’t a product to be bought is much harder to addict to the consumer life. Keep at it brother, appreciate the work you’re doing.
If you want to learn who rules over you, just think about who you are not supposed to criticize. Those are the people who currently hold power over you and the rest of society. Social justice types love to act like they have no power but watch how fast things change when they start complaining. The fact protected groups even exist should be setting off alarm bells.
well put
@@Justmonika6969
Perfectly said.
Body positivity = more money for corporations.
If an unattractive woman feels that she too can be attractive, she is more likely to spend more on clothes, jewelry and makeup.
I am a young woman who gains weight easily, and this is exactly what happened during the pandemic for various reasons, from being unable to leave the house to helping mom take care of grandma who, unfortunately, passed away in the hospital eventually, so lack of activity plus lots of stress. And I absolutely hate body positivity, at least the kind media is trying to push. Two of my grandparents, my mom's parents, had diabetes, and I had my own risks as a kid, and I still do. I want to lose weight to avoid serious health issues that will affect my life for the rest of my days. I am against bullying people for any reason, including their looks and weight, but I want none of this. I do not want positivity that can kill me if I don't do something about it.
This is becoming my favourite channel one video at a time.
hot take:
Body positivity is a movement that will selfdestruct either with health problems or because people will never be "body positive enough". Just give it some time
That's a very Huxleyan way of looking at it and I like it
It’s already happening as far as I’m aware 3 far acceptance activists have died before age 40 from obesity issues.
It’ll die when our society dies.
@@BloodSweatandFearsBlaire White posted a video about that, about a week ago. The stills of the obituaries are jarring. Died at 37, 38, 35... One of them was a guy who made TicToc videos every day where he ate as much as he possibly could, literally no joke to see how fat he could get, cos when he did that, his subscribers sent him money. No I'm not kidding, that was the actual reason. He died at THIRTY GODDAM THREE.
Christ, Jim Morrison made it to 27, and he drank every day for ten years. He got a bit chubby by the end, but fuckin hell, he could still walk.
@@emilyadams3228 Jim did quite a bit of heroin, cocaine, weed and alcohol! That was a great video thanks, I love Blaire she’s hilarious. But yeah they are dying younger and younger, it’s really crazy.
Only anecdotal, I know, but I've struggled with my weight on both ends of the spectrum all my life. In my teens and early twenties I had a highly functioning eating disorder and was a beanpole; in my late twenties and early thirties I had a pretty serious issue with drugs and alcohol and ballooned to 230 pounds (this was complemented by Covid and the various lockdowns, ETC). I'm 35 now, sober almost a year, down almost 60 pounds, and trying my best every day to be productive and healthy. What I do know is that I feel my best when I exercise regularly and watch my portions and what I put in my body. Impulse control is a beautiful thing. It's not about what you give up, it's about everything you gain in turn.
I believe this is a case of over progression. In the 2000s female models were dangerously thin, often called heroin-chic. They were anorexic and starving. Then we progressed to the 2010s of having models of average size, some a bit thicker, some a bit thinner, but still healthy. Now, we have progressed so far that now we have reached the new extreme of having extremely over weight, not chubby, over weight women being called beautiful despite showing signs of obesity and stress eating. Healthy bodies are beautiful, under or over weight bodies are sad. I'm an underweight woman, I should know.
As an overweight woman (hormone condition, it sucks), I absolutely agree. When will society stop with the extremes, it's annoying.
Why is that the BPM (Body Positivity Movement) applies only to women. Makes you wonder.
I came across local body positive campaigns by pathetic, low T men trying to get laid by impressing feminists, but they are always sloppy DIY jobs, not the sophisticated, professionalized propaganda that I discuss in the video.
the us is now classifying obesity as a “disease”
this is ridiculous to me. both my parents are obese, and i was overweight until i was 17 and decided i was tired of it and wanted to get laid 😂
but on a real note, just bc my parents are fat doesn’t mean i have to be. they taught me bad food habits that i’m still dealing with today 6 years later.
i worked my ass off to lose those 60 lbs, and went from 225 lbs to 165. it’s one of the hardest things i’ve ever made myself do. but if i can do it, anyone can do it. and it pisses me off when people act like obesity is just some innate state you can be.
the amount of obese people in my life that i’ve heard say “i don’t even eat that much” is insane. 2 days of not eating much over a 3 month span doesn’t mean you don’t eat that much. and for a lot that don’t, they eat less but super high calorie and processed food.
Late to the party, but here's my two cents. As someone whose weight (obesity, though not excessive), has led to arthritis, high cholesterol, borderline diabetes, the last thing people like us need to hear is that we are perfect the way we are. Being happy to be I'll doesn't save one's life. If you don't wish to remain healthy, it just leads to a lot of pain and sorrow in later life, something body positivity propaganda seems to ignore. Looking at this all, it just seems to me that people are wishfully thinking they can escape health issues through gaslighting themselves.
Unhealthy people are dependent. Healthy people are not.
Mystery Solved.
Still shocked at how few subs you have. You deserve more. Fantastic analysis.
Of course you are absolutely right.
First of all it's a catastrophe for health insurance obligated societies (for example in Germany). And it's the epitome of bigotry (and therefore stupidity) when compared to anti smoking campaigns getting more and more restrictive, excluding, even militant in some areas. Imagine a trend teaching kids 'hey, smoking tastes great, is cool and perfectly healthy' would come back from the 1950s.
But, of course, you're in very hot water with that video: nearly all society menaces are allied these days in the west.
Good comparison. Pushing this nonsense is pure evil, plain and simple. Encouraging unhealthy lifestyles so big pharma will have customers lining up, as well as massively increased dependence on government medical welfare. Only a truly diseased mind could support this.
"... lend weight to the argument" I see what you did there.
This "your enough as you are" message, is great for alcoholics and drug addicts.
Self-indulgence and hedonistic pleasure seeking is destructive in practice, and by design. It only serves to keep the practitioners complacent and docile while the power seekers make them slaves.
The Summer I turned 35 I got hit by a A car and Dove into Alcoholism, & got Fat. Aside from looks, you also FEEL bad, SMELL bad, work is harder, sex is harder, putting on SHOES is harder! You Can't Tell me there are ANY 'Pros' in being Fat ( outside of birth control). I quit drinking, and bought a new bike. Weight Loss is like a 6/10 on the difficulty scale, it's a VERY attainable Goal. ( I was hit while Cycling, hence, the New Bike)
The way I see the body positivity movement:
There is a vast range of healthy female bodies, however it is wrong to present actual obesity as a positive trait. Obesity is often caused by issues with mental health, and encouraging struggling people to "accept their body" (and furthermore possibly avoid treatment) is wrong.
Another thing to note is that it goes both ways- being underweight is just as bad as being overweight, and it has been encouraged in the media for too long also.
I want to see happy, healthy women in commercials. Not too thin or too fat, just... healthy.
Edit: the activist in that first clip didn't look overweight to me, I would honestly say that (in my opinion, because beauty is subjective) she was the most attractive there.
When has the media ever encouraged underweight women?
@@TheStraightestWhitest ALways? PLUS, to keep themselves that thin they snort massive doses of cocaine, they resort to Bulimia (aka vomiting the food they just ingested) and so on, so no, models from the past decades were ALWAYS unhealtly models.
Haven't you a pair of eyes??!! Just fucking look at a runway FFS! Even Victoria's Secrets models ARE unhealtly and resort to unhealtly habit to look the way they look on the runway show!
So does Hollywood actress and ESPECIALLY actors that play superheroes for example. You just can't say they have a healty body AND they reached it in a healty way.
I swear people in America (particularluy certain males like you) simply do not fucking have eyes nor can do 2+2=4... jesus christ!
Not convinced? Just look at a man like Henry Cavill and WHAT he HAD TO do for the "bathromm scene" in The Witcher show. Or what a Victoria's Secret model have to do in order to be deemed "presentable" before the show air. Normally people don't do that sort of shit.
So again, you people in America really are capable of reasoning only for stereotypes -.-"""
@@vergils_plastic_chair That seems far more fixable a problem than obesity, especially since the people most likely suffering from it understand discipline and dedication to a goal. I don't think it's good, but that seems more of an industry problem than the social disaster that is obesity.
Being underweight isn’t just as bad as being overweight. I’ve been underweight my whole life of 47 years and have yet to suffer any health ailments or need medication or treatment because of it. I have a very fast metabolism. Overweight people, however, can only get away with it for so long until they have issues with blood pressure, diabetes, etc.. Being the anorexic type of underweight is as bad as being obese though. You are at risk of many terrible health problems with those extremes.
@@TheStraightestWhitest back in the 70'sand 80's, the models used in commercials had very rigerous diets which were very detrimental to their health. models of both genders.
I wonder where all the male plus-sized models are at 🤔🤔
Where's my chubby boys?🤗
How wonderful it is to hear you dismantle and deconstruct the subtle smoke n mirrors involved in all this bulshit. I've subbed in and I'm really enjoying chugging through your content. Some great laughs too. Awesome work Amigo.
Thanks for the sub and I'm glad you're enjoying the videos.
I love how it's the companies that made shit tons off of supermodels of the past trying to tell me I'm bad for liking the way they looked.
What I don't understand is what did etiquette do to them? Like what's wrong with good manners nowadays? Okay, you're all brave and stunning, why not be brave, stunning and, I don't know, elegant? Polite?
Manners are probably patriarchal.
I got mah belly stretch marks through 3 pregnancies 😭😂
(I take no offense, btw. I was absolutely horrified when during my first pregnancy and the stretch marks came up. Got new ones with each pregnancy. My children are all teens now so my stomach is just silvery with some sag. Don't worry, I don't think it's beautiful, and I've never shown it to anyone besides my husband/doctor lol)
You did it the right way! In any case those stretch marks are nothing compared to what people who balloon up get.
It's beautiful to your husband. That counts for something
Now that’s proper GOOD body positivity, good on you❤
@@DespotofAntrim I personally have some stretch marks because I was almost obese as a child.
Being overweight is no joke and I still struggle with the aftermath sometimes when I look in the mirror. But hey it beats being overweight.
@@AdaTheWatcher it is pretty common for girls to get stretch marks just from puberty too. The body changes are so fast it is crazy. Got em on my thighs.
The "beach body ready" taught us that it was OK to tell somebody (and by extension, others like her) that SHE can't appear on a poster in a bikini, but lots of other women can. Seems rather hypocritical to me.
Also, most women have cellulite. I’m 44, 5’6” and weigh 140 and have cellulite since I was 20 & weighed 120. Honestly, I hate the body positivity bs, but the fact that men think healthy women must not have cellulite is a problem and a fantasy.
The lack of awareness and hypocrisy knows no bounds with some. These same people shame your carbon footprint, yet cant make the connection these people consume 2-3x more than most and more x of impoverished nations they claim to have sympathy for...
Also want free healthcare but at the same time want to be big enough to point where it's hard and dangerous for doctors to take care of them. Then there's ignoring actual diseases caused by obesity
THIS!! It's first-world entitlement!
So i lost 74 kgs in the last 2 years doing Keto-ish & Omad-ish. No sports just cutting the carbs, so the body switches from carb burning to fat burning. My blood pressure & colestero meds has been cut in half twice now & my doctor suggested that we are really close to completely cut them if i loose another 10-15 kgs. Also got rid of most of the side effects from the meds too (like i had "water in my legs"). Beginning fasting was oddly "easy" too. I mean you dont start a marathon by attempting one on day one of cause. All i did first was skip breakfast & start eating 1 hour later, then 2 hours , then 3 etc. This was also when i dicovered that its the carbs that makes your constantly hungry. Once you switch to eating meat/fats you will discover that its way more filling. Anyways, being obese should not be celebrated in any way. My doctor has been warning me for 22 years on how unhealthy it is & that id die if i didnt do something about it. Dying dosnt make me pretty.
Congratulations on your weight loss. It's a hard thing to do and you've clearly put in a lot of effort. Keep it up!
I lost 3kg by eating two times a day. That’s all. No exercise, anything.
I can't cut carbs. Do you know why? I'll die. Taking insulin without carbohydrates is VERY bad.
You earned a subscriber. I binged a few of your videos and definitely would like more, you're ACTUALLY funny and don't sugarcoat your opinions.
Thanks for watching. I'll be doing Disney remakes next, I target I have long wanted to attack.
Body positivity was meant for people with disabilities or people who don’t have THE perfect body i.e love handles or such things. It was never to promote morbid obesity, downright insufferable behavior and the desire that the world needs to change. I have a dear friend who is a wonderful mother with a great husband but both are really really overweight. They love each other dearly but they both acknowledge that fact that they need to loose weight! That’s the right way of thinking. My brother is overweight combined with a mild diabetes. He knows that and it would be fatal prancing around and celebrating the fact that he is sick. I mean the media is not loving overweight men at this point , do they? My wife and I have three kids and we really pay attention to sugar and sweet stuff because kids nowadays habe become so overweight. Nobody is celebrating that either so why should we celebrate fat girls ? It’s not healthy being fat. I don’t mean mildly overweight but really really fat
Fuck! I was going to skip training today😳 thanks mate you convinced me otherwise 🥊👍
Not gonna lie, I started running again while making this video.
I'm back weight training & walking the dog tomorrow. 🤔
11:30 My favorite part is when she lumbers down the hallway like a charging rhinoceros.
I know body positivity is a complete sham when I’m constantly reminded how we’ve never seen fat, overweight, obese men in fashion magazines or men’s health magazines.
Also the hypocrisy of calling a fat woman “plus size” but a fat man is still “fat”
That's because they need to appeal to gay dudes, I guess. Though Sam Smith is sneaking in there 😳
Yeah, so I was going to eat breakfast, but I think I'll just go for a run instead. Not an athlete, just a mom that wants to live long enough to have grandkids 🤷🏻♀️ plus those skin conditions really took the desire to eat right out of me, so thanks for that.
Life advice andy but you should eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Don't get hungry just count calories with an app.
I started running again while making this video, just 30 minutes a few times a week, but I can't make the 'too busy' excuse. It has to be done.
Here's the thing, yes there will always be people that are unable to do everything to perfectly fit the model of health and fitness, but people should be doing what they can. It is generally recognized that as a mother you have less time for yourself to do things like that, but things can be done.
Like eating three solid meals a day. Not eating enough can actually lead to weight gain at times, because when you do eat, your body stores it all, expecting it won't have any other food for awhile.
I think the main thing they are poking at the movement for, is when they try to portray women over, say 200 pounds as being clearly as fit as the model they stand next to with abs showing. It just isn't true.
There is one more excellent video in the same style as this one that motivated me and my friends to diet and work out more.
Positively bodied by short fat otaku, that video is an excellent take down of these concepts as well.
@@DespotofAntrim throw in a few push ups too brother. Just a little bit + consistency makes a world of difference.
Also, great video!
It's interesting how it moved from "body diversity everybody beautiful in their own way" trend, to old tall hourglass but fat/obese and everybody else is ugly
No originally body positivety was meant for disformed people who couldn't do something something about their to supporting lazy narcissistic people who think that every one is wrong and that they are beautiful
This is only the second video of yours I've watched and I must say your approach, writing, wit, intellectualism, and presentation are a breath of fresh air. A lot of people do this kind of content but most not even half as good as you. You've well earned yourself a fan and subscriber. Keep it up.
Haven't been this excited about finding a new channel in a long time. Thanks brother.
Thanks man. Welcome to the channel!
The error is believing that who you are is equal to your body, when it is not. When you see a man with no legs, you don't say 'there's half a man over there', you say 'there's a (whole) man, with half of his body missing. Who you are in essence that is changeless (life) is perfect, but all the things that are added on and change constantly (personality, body/appearance) are not perfect, and need your attention and maintenance.
When you derive your identity from your body, you take offence when your body is criticized, but this is like a woman taking offence, because someone pointed out that her car needs to be taken to the mechanic.
Regardless of what happens to your body, who you are never changes, just like how regardless of how you redesign the bottle, the water inside it never changes.
It would be insane for water to imagine that the external form of the bottle is who it is, and to take offence, or be flattered, when someone criticizes or compliments that form.
If a woman doesn't want to look after her home, and is delusional about its state, she has that right, but she will have to deal with the rats and cockroaches that start to live there, just like how the obese who don't want to maintain their body and are delusional about its state will have to deal with the many health risks and inconveniences that come as a result.
Excellent comment and analogy. Notice how the body positive movement use the term 'body type' as if this is just the mould you were caste in. You're not absurdly obese because you eat too much, drive to the store when it's a 5 minute walk and never take the stairs at work, no, it's because that's just your 'body type'.
Body positivity is like downplaying the health risks of smoking. Remember those old commercials when some cigarettes were branded as the "doctor's choice"?
Even The Flintstones were used to advertise Winston cigarettes, targeting the kids is scary
Body Positivity and "Women dont need no man" coming out at the same time seems to imply "Its alright that you're obese, you should be proud of that. The reason you're not finding a man who likes you is because you're stronger than them, women need to be independent! It's not because they don't find you attractive I promise."
which i don't think they intended
They don't find fat women attractive. That's fine. I don't find shallow people attractive. To each their own.
I heard that regular exercise is really good for your mental health.
Maybe that's why these people think obesity is okay.
You should love yourself enough to live a healthier life and change it to the better.
This analysis is top notch, you absolutely nailed it mate. Definitely subed 👍
Thanks very much! I appreciate it.
"war elephant" , "chin-o-saurus" , .... I'm here for it. You. Are. The Man!!
My grandpa suffers from diabetes and has to take pain medication daily. He can only walk only for a few minutes before he has to sit again. His feet are are swelled and covered with soars.
Yeah... sounds healthy to me.
Thank God for these women! They inspire me to stay in shape lol
Man, you really nailed it once again!
I can't stop laughing...sorry, I know its bad, but at 31:49 that woman looks like godzilla coming out of the ocean and roar 🙊
Someone needs to sue them for promoting a life style that will lead to a reduced lifespan, heart disease is the leading cause of death, they are glorifying a condition that leads to it.
What I see in the video.
07:14 Beautiful women telling fat women not to try to improve, they are fine as they are = eliminating the competition. 🤣🤣
10:12 A company selling ice cream telling fat women they are fine as they are, eat more ice cream = Selling more ice cream. 😂😂
4:19 and 10:13 That ice cream varies by flavor but is general very low in carbs and or calories. For people working hard to lose weight it it can actually be a good dessert.
It is really weird that they did not advertise it in that way "enjoy ice cream while still being able to lose weight."
I can't believe a company promoting fitness and health made an ad like that 😮 It goes against everything they stand for.
The sad part about body positivity is that it came from understandable statement of "it's my body, so I can do whatever I want with it" to demanding love for your body from other people. From others body being not your business to others insecureties being your problem. And the second version just doesn't work.
3:55 "a tactic designed to lend weight to the lie". I see what you did there.
That was glorious man. I am really sick of the body positivity nonsense. It's hard enough to lose weight without everyone telling you that you're some kind of an ist for wanting to not die of diabetes.
I don't know man, that's a pretty diabetophobic comment...
@@DespotofAntrim NO Anitrim! You were the chosen one!!!
You deserve way more subscribers. So much work/thought in your vids.
Glad I found your channel, this was a home run. Well-researched, well-presented and most of all, well-thought-out. Many thanks, I expect your channel to grow pretty rapidly.
Let us not forget the super attractive prosthetics that many obese people eventually face due to amputations caused by complications from type II diabetes. These ads are legit promoting death.
"If there is any lesson in the history of ideas, it is that good intentions tell you nothing about the actual consequences. But intellectuals who generate ideas don’t have to pay the consequences." Thomas Sowell. Thanks for having the balls to talk about this shit btw. Great video.
Thank you for quoting Thomas Sowell, the greatest political thinker of his time.
Okay so the difference between "empowering" and "objectifying" women is if they are attractive? Like, the pretty girls are internalizing misogyny but the big ones are stunning and brave. Got it 👍
Activists: We're all perfectly imperfect. Therefore, everyone is equally beautiful.
Obi-Wan: Only a sith deals in absolutes.
I used to believe that the one positive aspect of being obese was that in a survival situation you could sustain yourself longer off of fat reserves. Then I found out that you would starve to death regardless without a steady supply of essential amino acids, vitamins, salts/electrolytes and minerals.
So being fat has only one practical benefit, that being insulation. I’ll stick with a jacket though…
You're so eloquent, informative and entertaining at the same time. More people need to see this.
"beauty is in the eye of the beholder" means some guys like blondes, some like brunettes, not..."nothing matters, there's no such thing as objectivity, eat until they remove your 🦶, as long as *you're* happy...giRL!!" ...
We are not responsible for our trauma, but we are responsible for fixing it and being our very best. Your body is a temple, take good care of it!
"Love who you are"
-The side beyond eager to cut off and change body parts for any nothing reason