7/4 & King Gizzard - Let’s Talk About It
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LINKS & CREDITS
Here's a link to a really good explainer video on odd time signatures including 7/4 & 7/8 :
“Understanding and Using Odd Time Signatures - 6 Examples” by Jake Lizzio for Signals Music Studio:
• Understanding and Usin...
(The videos by Jake Lizzio are actually the best. If you're interested in music stuff and curious to fill some gaps in your knowledge, check him out. This channel can't get enough praise imo.)
Septuple Meter on Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septupl...
Btw There’s one King Gizzard song on this list and it’s The River, which doesn’t even use sevens :P
“17 Essential Songs In 7/4” article by Christopher R. Weingarten:
www.stereogum.com/2034893/17-...
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Broken Social Scene - 7/4 (Shoreline) ( • Broken Social Scene - ... )
Animal Collective - What Would I Want? Sky - "Anatomy of a Track" video by Johannes Lampert ( • The Anatomy of: Animal... )
Check out his channel over here ( / @anatomyofatrack )
Todd Terje - Alfonso Muskedunder
( • TODD TERJE - Alfonso M... )
(it's a cool song in septuple meter that i cut from the video cuz i didn't have anything interesting to say about it)
Radiohead - Paranoid Android ( • Radiohead - Paranoid A... )
Sufjan Stevens - Dear Mr. Supercomputer ( • Sufjan Stevens - Dear ... )
“Because It’s There” (A review of Sufjan Stevens’ ‘The Avalanche’) by Jessica Hopper:
www.chicagoreader.com/chicago...
Pink Floyd - Money ( • Pink Floyd - Money (Of... )
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KING GIZZARD VIDS featured in Part 3
credits and links
in order of first appearance
‘King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard | Live in Sydney | Full Concert’ - by Moshcam
( • King Gizzard & The Liz... )
(Robot Stop* (featured twice), Mr. Beat)
‘binky doesn't understand microtones’ by the one and only king gizzard and the shitpost wizard
( • binky doesn't understa... )
(Flying Microtonal Banana)
‘King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Full Performance (Live on KEXP)’ - by KEXP
( • King Gizzard & The Liz... )
(The Wheel, Crumbling Castle, Deserted Dunes Welcome Weary Feet* (featured twice), The Fourth Colour)
‘King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard - Cranes, Planes, Migraines (Bass Cover with Play Along Tabs)’ - by Amedeo S
( • King Gizzard and The L... )
(Cranes, Planes & Migraines)
‘King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard Live at Cabaret Vert(25.08.2016) HD’ - by angelsilva54
( • King Gizzard & The Liz... )
(Evil Death Roll, Invisible Face, Road Train)
‘King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard “The Lord Of Lightning” 04/17/17 - CONAN on TBS’ - by Team Coco
( • Video )
(Lord of Lightning* [featured twice])
‘King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard - The Great Chain of Being live - Adelaide 2018’ - by Joni S
( • King Gizzard And The L... )
(The Great Chain of Being)
‘King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Full Performance (Live on KEXP)’ - by KEXP
( • King Gizzard & The Liz... )
(Altered Beast III, Altered Beast IV)
‘King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Han-Tyumi & The Murder Of The Universe’ - by Flightless Records
( • King Gizzard & The Liz... )
(Murder of the Universe)
‘King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard - Rolling Stoned (Bass Cover with Tabs & Chords)’ by Amadeo S
( • King Gizzard and The L... )
(Rolling Stoned)
‘King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - live at Lowlands 2018’ - by 3voor12
( • King Gizzard & The Liz... )
(Digital Black, Vomit Coffin)
Tracks included without video:
Horology, A Journey to (S)Hell, D-Day
Tracks that do have 7/4, 7/8 but weren't included in this project for no particular reason:
Han-Tyumi The Confused Cyborg
The Floating Fire
TIMESTAMPS
Part 1 - Some Context: 0:00
Part 2 - The Open Door: 5:50
Part 3 - King Gizz 7/4 and 7/8 Supercut: 10:43
Outro: 16:48
There’s also 7 members in the band. It was meant to be.
Holy shit , I just got my mind blown
I'm left to wonder why we're not singing the praises of how heptagon infinity opens the door
RUN THE JEWELS
@@GazzyW007 Han Tyumi and his protein munt machine.
FYI according to Muslims, 7 is seen as a holy number as there are a lot, I meant a shitton, of things composed of 7 things in Islam and in this universe. King Gizzard is possibly a holy band too then
King Gizzard make such good use of odd time signatures that you hardly even notice it half the time... It's seriously impressive.
CZcams: A video with bunch of King Gizzard songs in it
Me: "Ah shit, here we go again"
XD
I just want to listen to every album back to back now....
@@Cosmoclaste it's worth it
Same here ^^
As a newbie to King G and Co it's super exciting still😱😵😁😎
Wow, I never knew they used 7/4 and 7/8 so much. Its amazing how natural it feels in so many of their songs like Lord of Lightning and The Wheel. Heck they make a 7/4 and 7/8 polyrythym feel completely natural in the Fourth Color
Dillon Seiler please spell your name differently
As a massive gizz fan, writing stuff in 7/4 and 7/8 became surprisingly easier than expected because playing it was so natural with it being in my internal clock
7/4 over 7/8 is not a polyrythm...
A 7/4 and 7/8 polyrhythm would just be a 2:1 polyrhythm, haha
The pattern shown in the video sounds more like a 7/16, with the semi-quavers broken up into 2+2+3 if you listen to the drum beat. The really fucked up part is when the pulsing vocals come in (the video cuts off before this happens). This little vocal bit repeats every 4 semiquavers, so yeah this is a 7:4 polyrhythm! It cycles through twice before going into the bridge, pretty insane.
Stu is a music theory savant.
This is my favorite youtube comment and i don't know why. Whenever I come back to this video i also come back to this comment
no
too bad he cant write anything meaningful that actually elicits any significant emotion
@@poopgun LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@poopgun ayooo neither can you and yet, you aren’t famous. Evil death roll towards you 😊
8 /4 = thanks for the video
7 / 4 = thanks for the
well, 'thanks for the vide'
Haha
4/4 (8 eighth notes) "I thank you for the video I thank you for the video" etc...
7/8 "I thank you for the vi-dee I thank you for the vi-dee" etc... or just "Thank you for the video thank you for the video"
c:
4 4 1 3 4 4 1 3 4 then start
debbie downer here.. 8/4 is not a time signature
There’s something so satisfying about 7/4, like you think it’s gonna be off beat something but it always works, I love it
Once I missed a beat
@@collinmoran8125 I only missed a beat
4/4 song: *exists*
The Fourth Colour: HOLD MY BEER
@@jaydyer6682 hold my sandwich
7 really works for fast paced jams and moshes because you have to follow every beat, if you chill and try to bop to the 2nd beat you'll miss beat 1. So its kinda punishing and encourages more movement in crowds. There's a push/pull to it. The more chill, progy/jazzy instances are less intense/physical so it feels more like a mental exercise, which I like too
Dang! That's so true - thanks Jay that's a really helpful framework!
You must really enjoy Self-Immolate then
@@arturcm10 or honey!
@@jakehorne5662 true
That Wikipedia article is a horrible representation of songs in 7. Rush, Tool, and Dream Theater have way more songs in 7 than the Grateful Dead
And Tool just released even more on their new album.
Every time I click on Wikipedia it either contains information that is WRONG, or doesn't contain the stuff I'm looking for.
It's only good for prompting ones memory for stuff one already knows😀
Not to mention Money by Pink Floyd isn't on the list
@@wispycirrus9907 it is
@@cakeash The comment was made 2 months ago, it could've been added since then
7/8 and 7/4 has always felt hypnotic and psychedelic at least to me. its a beat that when done right it swings right back into itself, which may sound "lopsided" to some but personally i love it.
Before this project I genuinely didn't see what the "upside" was - why it's worth taking the risk - but yeah, now I totally agree XD
If you want to hear more songs in 7 you should listen to a lot of 70s prog rock
He listed the bands you are thinking of and the amount they wrote. GD had the most with 3. Dream theater used 5 a lot alternating with 4s but do your own research. Dont listen to this guy. Or me or anyone.
or jazz
@@andrewboos-hartig6206 the list is incomprehensive. Does not exhaust the actual existing tracks in those time signatures, being that Wikipedia is relies on user submissions
I'll start
czcams.com/video/PwrUR8LVcb4/video.html
Andrés J. Castillo Esquivel CAN
just speculating, but I think the influence of non-western music, where odd time is more present, definitely played a role. they've always drawn influence from world music and i think definitely immersed themselves in middle eastern music when prepping for the microtonal banana album, and probably internalized a lot of those rhythms which bled into the songwriting.
Can we highlight the fact that they are now known worldwide while having an album about a vomiting cyborg?
Also, music people, what is the time signature on Head On/Pill?
Didn't listen to the whole song, but i'm pretty sure at least 85% of it is in 4/4. The other 15% is for the parts that I skipped. There are some tricky parts that seem odd but they aren't.
Such an epic fucking song. In my top 5 gizzards might be second only to fourth colour.
It's all in 4/4
It's 4/4
Fun fact: Their first (or one of the first) odd time signature experiment is in that same album. Title track, Float Along - Fill Your Lungs, wich is in 5/8.
Fun fact about the fun fact: Lucas, their bassist, had his own side project back in 2013, Atolls, and he released a song called Old Rosie which has a really, REALLY similar melody. And a similar odd time signature. Intro is 4 bars of 11/8 or 6/8 + 5/8. Followed by a part with 3 bars of 5/8 + 1 bar of 6/8. Really interesting. It was released in April, 2013 and FAFYL was released September, 2013. Guess we'll never know which one was conceived first. It really don't matter, I'm just curious because of their similarities.
@@AndresinhoRM Apparently that time signature came from stu listening to the alarm that went off in his car cause he left the headlights on. he didnt realise it until a while later when he heard the alarm again and realised that was the same as that song
i think they use especially 7/4 so much because it feels natural when combined with their often (i feel like any way) kraut rock type rhythms (like e.g. in evil death roll) where the kick and hat are in a pretty straight, consistent pattern, resulting in a more groovy but still kraut-rock style beat.
honestly i think they don't get enough credit for the insane rhythms in polygondwanaland, especially in crumbling castle, the 7 against 6 in and 5 against 4 ( i think) in the transitions are absolutely nuts
"tool have 1 and a bit" yeah nah there's way more
Great video.
The Gizz are masters of song writing. They make odd time signatures sound so good and flow so well with each instrument, especially on Polygondwanaland with complex polyrythms and beautiful melodies.
Don't forget the lyrics too
Fancy words that aren't out of place
I love the way they use it in Mr. Beat, alternating with the 8/8
For real!
So seamless and bouncy
Missed a beat
I always felt like the weird lopsided beat in Lord of Lightning made it sound more like a fight
Epic
Tbh it's actually really common. Jazz and classical musicians love it, psych rock and prog rock uses it a lot too. So as time signatures outside of the regulars, it's pretty common. Only 2/2, 2/4, 4/4, 3/4, and 6/8 are really common. And even then 3/4, 2/2, and 6/8 would be more common in traditional dance music. 5/4 is one that jazz and classical musicians mess with. It's also common in Balkan dance music. However, The River by King Gizz is the first time I've ever heard a pattern like that with it...it's REALLY creative.
I've found that in a lot of their 7/4 songs they construct riffs that play on all 7 beats. It's not always the case but they do it a lot. Whereas The River makes it harder to pick out its 5/4 time because they don't play on each beat.
And most composers I know tend to take on odd time signatures a lot just because...well when you've practiced for thousands and thousands of hours, 4/4 and 3/4 are just...boring. They're predictable. You feel like you're falling into a formula and it's harder to set yourself apart from others. I also felt like I was stagnating in my abilities to play my instruments, and I wasn't being as creative when coming up with riffs or themes. Time signatures are a restriction. Restrictions can breed creativity. So if you give yourself a restriction that's less common, you stand out more.
7/4 and 7/8 is like running on a treadmill at full speed with a bed of sharp barbed wire behind you. It FORCES you to keep your head bobbing and grooving. It's falling down the stairs with style. You cannot miss a beat when it sounds like a missed beat.
Great video, subbed!
Actually to answer the "17 essential" comment, as I learned in a web design class, odd numbers in titles get more clicks than even numbers
Huh! There you go! How cool and strange
I love how low key complicated the music is but you don't really notice it much cause they're not showing off. It just feels they think it's fun to play.
I love the way the list of tracks starts and ends with Robot Stop, you get a loop like Nonagon Infinity
I've been trying to understand why it is I like strange tunes and bands like King Gizz. Then when you mentioned the Dead it all started to make sense. Thank you for DROPPING THE NUCLEAR FUSION for my mind
The sevens are my favorite thing to explore. I will love 7/8 until the day I die. Invisible face is pure gold to me.
I say this all the time, band of the decade
I found this video around a year ago. It was my first introduction to king gizz and I couldn’t be more grateful. King gizz is now my absolute favorite band. Thank you, kind stranger, for inadvertently showing me such wonderful music
Amazingly crafted video on a topic that has needed to be talked about for years! Well done Dave
Thanks pal - enjoyin your vids now! You got me thinkin about picking up a harmonica :P
I love this video. It explains so much. Would love to see an updated version of this video that includes any new 7/4 or 7/8 songs. I think KG is my most favorite band of all time.
Workin on it! Hopefully that'll come out at some point :)
Can you do a full video on how Altered Beast 1-4 progresses through like 7/8, 9/8, 11/8, and 13/8 or whatever the hell happens there? Cuz I can't wrap my head around it.
Also congrats i'm subbing, keep up the good work
Thanks B Ham -
I like this idea! should make for be a fun and crazy breakdown - I'm gonna add it to the list :)
@@daveconnor6174 thanks dude
@@daveconnor6174 and thats how you get me to sub. Cheers
"Hey Stu what time signature should this part of the album be?"
"Yes."
I was surprised to not see King Crimson's Frame by Frame mentioned in this video.
What a song! What an album!
And not only odd time signatures but also a lot of polymetering that they use throughout the whole Polygondwanaland album, or the 6/4 over 7/8 at the end of The Fourth Colour, or the 4/4 over 5/4 in Plastic Boogie. Nice vid.
Three recurring things that they do are:
1) using groupings of two dotted 8th and four 8th noted like this:
|O-O-O-O-O--O--|
(Bonus point, if you take away two 8th notes, you get a good 5/4 rhythm O-O-O--O-- )
2) Using a straight kick-snare pattern that goes over two bars making them essentially a one 14/4 bar:
|K-S-K-S-K-S-K-|S-K-S-K-S-K-S-|
3) Using any kind of polyrhythm over 7 that diverts attention from the underlying pattern.
Thanks for turning me on to these guys! I just checked them out on bandcamp and see that I'll get a couple opportunities to see them this summer!
This was a great video man. I am now super interested in exploring 7's. Thanks for posting!!
part of the reason they have so many 7/4 songs is due to their use of the motif in nonagon infinity! plus the theme of polygondwanaland seems to be polyrhythms, which invites the use of goofy time signatures. i think the boys just like writing in 7/4- it's fun and it meshes well with their style. they do 9/4 and 11/4 and 5/4 a lot too, it kind of goes with the territory. (you can find a ton of 9/4 in nonagon infinity, which is fitting).
Great video! Hope you continue to grow and make more videos.
10:08 was not expecting the shitpost wizard. brilliant.
I really loved the video, keep up the great content!
Groovy analysis man. Glad you think about music like this. Glad also to see 7/4 getting some recognition. Bonobo uses it a lot in this music as well as a few more of my favorite bands. Gizz is my top fave.
Awesome video! I always knew there was something off about the timing, it's the reason I love Gizz. Now i know why
Loved the analysis and it was a well made video of one of my favourite bands! Congratulations!
Thanks Glauco! I love King Gizzard and the King Gizzard community so I'm pumped to have contributed something :)
never did any research on music theory but listen to gizzard alot. thanks for the vid, it made things clear and understandable. appreciate the effort from research to editing. I'll have to check out some more videos either way good work.
Always love a nice groove in 7, these guys have definitely mastered it.
This bands music is so pleasing to the ears
Very interesting subject to discuss, put into a well structured video = the best video i’ve seen on youtube all year ! Keep it coming dude, good stuff!!!
Thanks so much! :)
This is great content man!
Hey, glad you liked it :)
Love how you started and ended Part 3 with Robot Stop. Great video!
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard are now confirmed dicordians if you ask me. Wow thank you for making this, it's a joy to Hehe musically inclined ears listening to this wild band I so very much love. I'm amazed at the number of points of interest this band creates. Each album is a different genre, often including some crazy concept for the album. What a time to be alive.
Amen!
This was a great watch! Thanks Dave!
Glad you enjoyed!
Death to click tracks. Long live King Gizz!
that explains so many questions to me, thanks a lot my dude, brilliant lesson!
Hey! Glad to hear it :)
I'm not surprised and I'm glad I understand what a time signature is now!
Thanks for reminding me how good all their music is I almost forgot
This was a fantastic video, great production, great explanations, and great music.Keep up the good work, you’ve earned a subscriber :)
Hey thanks :)
awesome video dude, great job!
Thanks Michal - glad you liked it :)
As if I needed a reason to love this band even more
Insane this video popped on my suggested, caught myself combo counting Mr. Beat just yesterday in the car. 1234,123. Nice vid
Great video, make more like this please
loved the video! you need more subs man!
just saw king gizz live a few days ago and they were amazing! one of the most electric and unique bands to see live :O
Wait, at the Forum? Me too! Loved the shit out of it :)
Dave Connor hahaha! Yeah, at the forum! I was at barrier bro! Small world!!!
Damn son, loved this video, i hope you can do more of these type of stuff.
Thanks Porsu, glad you liked!
Hoping to make a few more :)
beautiful work you got me mate
Dont mind me. Just on my 5th watch. Love to revisit this one every so often. Great vid.
Ha! Thanks :) Glad you like it
It's not acoustic music (mostly), but if you're looking for some more 7/4 madness, Venetian Snares is remarked for his extensive use of 7/4 and other strange signatures.
I just thought I should mention Venetian Snares here.
I think every gizz track is in something that isn’t 4/4. Apart from a decent amount of pmdb and their first 3 albums.
Great video!
Very interesting, great content
Can't wait to see these guys live
Great video dude!
ive watched this video more times to be ashamed of. beautiful
Awesome vid man I’m so glad this was in my recommended vids. This band blows my songwriting mind. I can’t comprehend. It’s just breathtaking what they accomplish. I’d love to see a video or some research on how they write songs. On nonagon, it seems like the whole album is centered around that reoccurring riff, just different ways to branch off from it. However, that theory doesn’t really work with any other album so I’m stumped.
I too am very curious about how they do it.
If I ever get the chance to interview them I'll find out :)
I live in the same city as them so it's not out of the question !
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned, but the place where I personally found the most 7/8 or 7/4 songs is in Yugoslavian prog rock. Especially the band Leb i sol from Macedonia. To us from the Balkans, these rhythms "feel" normal, because they fall under our tradition. Just as you mentioned about the click, those rhythms are about feeling it more than equal division of time. That is what makes it so intoxicatingly good. If you are up for a listen, listen to Leb i Sol first album, it is uploaded on youtube. Also give a listen to Den za Den, also a progressive rock band Macedonia.
such a great video! subbed
Thanks!!
Great work Dave :)
Awesome content. Whilst I've often been able to recognised signatures that aren't 4/4, I don't have the theoretical knowledge (or perhaps mathematical intelligence) to decipher them. I now completely get 7/8. Thanks! I would be great if the Septuple meter page were updated to include the gizz songs that you've analysed.
Agreed! I think the wiki page is held back by requiring a reference for each song, which is tricky because there aren't many quality references for these things. The only Gizz song on there is The River, and the reference is an article that just says that The River has 7/8 in it, even though it doesn't lol
This video might qualify as a reference, but I don't know if videos are allowed.
Anyway, thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video :)
I'd never heard of them until this morning, going to see them in 11 days. Really interesting video buddy 👍🏼
Hey thanks :)
Enjoy the show!
@@daveconnor6174 sure will buddy!! Thanks
very useful video, thank you so much!
Thanks for watching and supporting!
Really great analysis. You earned a sub from me, keep killin' it.
Thanks for the kind words! Will do :)
Love that you included BSS and Animal Collective... Love this time sig
thanks for the break down!
Amazing band! Greetings from Chile
Woah, dude you should make more vids on music theory in certain bands! that was awesome. I always knew there is something weird about King Gizzard music but since I know little about music theory I didn't know what was it, (except for the microtonal system thing). People say that good music should defend by itself. But it's cool when a good music which defends itself can have something more behind it than just... goood music. It's amazing what King Gizzard is doing right now...
Hey Jakub thanks for the encouragement!
Glad you enjoyed :)
Also, I'd love to see more videos like this, analyzing artists and albums and such. I officially request an MGMT analysis video on their sound design, deeply layered soundscapes (Little Dark Age and MGMT self-titled in particular) or something else they do uniquely. Subbed!
That's not a bad idea! Putting that on the list - Cheers :)
I'm sold!
I guess CZcams can read my mind because I was literally thinking about the time signature of some King Gizzard songs on my ride home (while listening to them, obviously)
Scary but awesome
Its ur phone dude...it picks up wht we're talking about etc
Love that 7/4 chaos, that particular section in bodies. Amazingly rhythmical psychedelic metal machine with a genuine sense for poetry & precision. ✨✨✨✨✨
Amazing video man!
Thanks! Glad you liked it :)
really cool vid man!
Cheers!! Appreciate it :)
My favourite groove in 7/4 is to have the snare on 3, count 1-2-3-4-1-2-3. The 3 end beats are like their own little bonus area in the bar where you can really get creative. Paranoid Android does this rhythm. Of all the non 4/4 or 3/4 signatures, I find it's one of the most natural of the 'odd' time signatures if you play this groove.
Thank you for part 3 cause I know jackshit about music making and it made it clear to me.
(And also because I love these guys)
a bit off-topic, but this is really well-edited. surprised you haven't got more subs, nice vid man!
thanks bernardo - this is my first vid and as a newbie i appreciate the encouragement :)
Dear mr. Supercomputer is great, that was like my favorite sufjan song when I first listened to his music
Oh man, great way to handle this topic!
Thanks!!
All makes a lot of sense. Great video
Thanks! Appreciate that :)
Love how this video is in 17:17 good job!
I've honestly been trying to figure out WHY I love Nonagon Infinity so much! Like I listen to it so often and never get tired of it. I guess I just loved it so subconsciously because of the time signature, wow.
King gizzard makes odd time signatures sound so normal sometimes that it can be easy to miss
For example, Both Greenhouse Heat death and The Great Chain of being use 13/4 time in the verses (subdivided as 4-4-5), and in their recent song "Witchcraft" the verse uses 9/8 with a bar of 8/8 at the end of each phrase, and I originally thought these songs were simply in 4/4 without further analysis
great vid. subbed!
Hey thanks!
Great great video, eggs, thank you so much !
Hey Alex - eggs to you too :)