ABS vs PBT Keycaps
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- ABS vs PBT Keycaps (Generally) And 5 More Budget Keycap Sets
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Who else picked up this hobby out of sheer boredom? *Slowly raises hand*
me
same here
@@idontwantonamethischannel I was looking at keyboards and they all looked like toys. Like I'm a full grown adult I can't sit at my desk with a keyboard that looks like a space ship. That's all it took.
Me😂
@@HireMichaelEversonThe first time I saw mech keyboards, I was like: yes.
I'm a newer mechanical keyboard enthusiast and I have really enjoyed your channel and your blog - your content is very interesting and I've learned quite a bit from you and Jake. And as an Asian American female, it is really nice to see you hosting these videos! Thanks to you and Jake for sharing your knowledge and keep up the great work!
seconded, same here. also a big thanks from me! recently just finished some first modding and am waiting on my keychron right now to mod further and also change keycaps (still ABS and no PBT *sad plastic noises*) and to get into this this channel has been a big help! my GMK GB set from that I ordered will arrive next year LOL
Luemm3l Wow. I'm in the middle of a 2 months wait for my switches and I'm on my nerves :) Imagine They send the wrong set? Dead.
mad max is not asian american
@@chuckgrumble5440 you realise she's not actually mad Max???
@@neelakshsati they are falsely impersonating , he is austrailian. The poster n eeds to change name.
NGL this is the only one video that made me understand the difference between pbt and abs keycaps i keep asking alot of reviews and this is the only one that made me understand it... such an underrated channel u should have a discord for the community
This channel is so good! Thank you for demystifying the "collector" ideals vs. affordable high quality stuff
I love your channel! Just came across it now and I just started a hobby of collecting and building mechanical keyboards. Your channel is a such a big help
love this video, just clear and straight to the point.
Just ordered the HK for my K6. Stoked, looking forward to receiving it! Thanks!
Hope you enjoy it!
i didnt even knew about that with the space bar, feels even better. thanks a lot about the tip.
So informative, my favorite CZcamsr!
Haha you read mind about the content I want. I just got my K6 and the switches to put it in. Next step is picking out the right type of keycaps. Thanks for the vid!
Hey, haven't been here in a long time! Thanks!
I do remember some folks on /MK trying to dye pbt keys and it worked, but getting the dye dark/saturated took a lot of time, and I believe they had to heat them as well.
When i first bought my first MK, it come with Outemu switch and ABS 2-shot keycaps. Feel great for couple of month until some of the switches start to malfunction and the keycaps began shiny. Then i switch to a more expensive one ( Akko to be precise ) come with Cherry MX Brown and PBT Dye-sub keycap, damn i swear i became a slave to those PBT keycap very much.
The feeling when typing on PBT keycap is damn great, smooth compare to the ABS one, not to metion Cherry sw too lol. It make me want to stay on desk, typing with it all day. Great vid btw 👍
My SSK (and 87 model M space saver) has pbt with dye sub and they look basically untouched despite being 30 years old. I can't speak to ABS lasting nearly as long or looking as good, but I *will* say I prefer the sound of my redragon (box jades) with abs caps. I think for most people it's just a matter of personal preference.
I tried the HK gaming keycap set 9009 I think, i.e. the other colour, also on my keychron k6 but the middle row with the enter key was all mushy. The key caps don’t have enough room from the stem so when you bottom out the key, the inside of the keycap will touch the switch housing. This causes a mushy feeling and a different sound all across the middle row. You can really feel the difference when you push down hard on the enter key and it will mush down. Had to return the keycaps.
Thanks for always responding btw... that’s very kind
Just bought the pbt retro mac k2! Can’t wait (:
The difference between high quality and low quality ABS sets is huge. Way bigger than I expected it to be. My favorite set at the moment is now MT3 Susuwatari. I believe it was the first MT3 set in ABS. It's hard going back to PBT sets now.
Agreed. I'm using epbt abs now and it'd amazing. Waiting for some GMK sets
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I think I'm going to try to grab their version of Miami Nights when its available again! Hope they come out with some other classic colorways. Also, didn't expect a reply. D :
Yeah, high end abs definitely has a feel and sound that can’t be beat. The shine on higher end abs is a little slower as well, and I’ve grown to actually like the look it starts to get. Gmk really is something else when it comes to quality control. Cheers!
SUSuwatari
I learn a lot from this channel.
@@SwitchandClickOfficial After getting a mechanical keyboard thanks to your recommendation, I just can't go back to laptop keyboard.
I need another keyboard which is smaller than a TKL that I can bring to work. The TKL is fine but I think I will need something smaller which I can bring around easily. I quiet like 65% size with bluetooth connection. Do you think the bluetooth connection is fine for office use (there maybe other bluetooth devices around and that may mess up with the connectivity I assume)?
I love your videos! great work :) and when I wrote my last comment you were under 23k subs!! now you are over! woohoo!
For the blank keycaps, the sometimes have the R-size in small text on the underside of the switch. Still a PITA to find and read it though.
7:40 interesting, I just got a set of XDA key caps and am typing 10 wpm faster on it versus cherry profile I was using. I was at around 105WPM now 115 WPM with the XDA. I relaly love how they feel. Giving your finger tips mroe room to touch top of keys, which allows me to type faster. I like how I don't have to lift fingers higher as well as with scultped cherry profile keys.
I see. I was skeptical since xda is a little weird. But i now can consider it
Fascinating channel and educating the public
thank you switch and click very cool
I like PBT key caps. I am looking for getting some. Varmilo ones are colorful, beautiful and some are artistic even with high quality dye paint!
4:24 that spacebar tho 👀
Ah, I see it has been reversed. I did that too to my Das Keyboard Professional for mac and it makes typing a joy vs. hitting that sharp edge with my thumbs.
Yeah, flipped space bar for life. Did you see how warped the space bar was on the xda lotus set that was right after the blank white set? Thing was mad warped. Lol
There is another downside of PBT for us typist competitors(yes we regular typeracer), PBT has a lot more grabs( tacky), and friction that during typing competitions, floating typing can be felt stickier and your speed will be impacted. I regularly hover at 130wpm with ABS red or silver switches but will diminish to 110wpm with PBT caps.
Great video as always Betty! :)
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Haha it's an improvement for sure and ofc your welcome! ^^
@@SwitchandClickOfficial No way that's awesome! Can't wait to see the new setup and good for u, happy moving :D
I’m looking for DSA profile keycaps. Wish they were more available
8:45 OMG look at the dust!!!
What's that keyboard and keycap at 2:50? Your videos are very good. Thanks!
Hi, can you comment how using ABS vs PBT affects the typing sound on a keyboard, if at all? Thanks!
Thanks for covering the budget end of keycaps. Would like to see and honest perspective on the differences between budget and expensive keycaps. I.e. is the quality or feel much better or is it just to do with production volumes and colour ways.
I really needed to know the difference. I also noticed many ABS keys like the ones on some Razer models like V3 of the Blackwidow has this grainy feel to it. I seen that also with Corsair K95 =)
I just bought the HK gaming GK61 keyboard and might get their PBT keycaps down the line
Yes i can agree Cherry profile is better than Oem profile! Also just got XDA profile, i kinda dig it!
I've read issues on using cherry profile keycaps on northfacing switches so I kinda hesitating on buying cherry profile but i definitely would want those as my keycaps :(
I guess I'm getting pbt then, thanks
I hate pbt, because I do not like the sound that they give out, and the warping problem. If I had the choice between cheap abs or pbt, I would most likely go with abs.
i came here for the sound test but still nice vid 👍
TNX FOR THE TIPS, JUST ASKIN, IF I WANT KEYCAPS THAT REALLY SHINES RGB, SHOULD I GO FOR ABS OR PBT?
got a brand new mechanical keyboard and ive been loving it so far but my abs keycaps are starting to go shiny on my wasd after only a few weeks
loves the videos
hi betty! been wanting to try out cherry profiles! (oem user) i just want to know if there's an actual sound difference between the two?
ABS colors are "very pizzazzy!" 1:50 Nice description, made me laugh!
Haha thanks!
I bought my PBT off ali and i love them. Feels as good as my ducky keycaps
I love the chalk key caps but am I the only one who notices that they printed "#" on top of letter 3 sideways? It is supposed to be narrow instead of wide... I get OCD about these things but would love to get them if they fix this letter 3 issue!
Woah, what's the case on that TKL with the diffuser (around 7:33)? That looks so clean and minimal!
I was already a fan of pbt but know, my mind explode
Do you recommend the Razer PBT keycaps over the Glorious ABS double shot keycaps on a Keychron K8 ? I'm stuck between deciding on the two
How do you know if some keycaps wont fit on other keyboards, i was thinking of getting a keychron K2 65% and with it a set of keycaps (bc i kinda think the grey is boring) but i dont know how to check if they would fit my keyboard?
Of these key caps which are the thickest?
Hi ! I’m looking for budget black pudding pbt keycaps (like hyperx ones) for a keychron k2. Do you have any recommendation?
Hello, I am about to choose between some pbt keycaps or some switches for improving my keyboards sound, so wich should I decide??Pls help me out
What’re the best keycaps for milky yellow switches?
Has anyone had experience with gmk keycaps? Might get them cause I really like the look of them but do they get that shine and grease or whatever people say they get easily or quickly?
Left-aligned is from typewriter days. It looks classier than centre-aligned. You can find out about typewriters on Wikipedia. Or from your grandparents. :-)
Does thicker keycaps make the sound deeper or more creamy? Or both? Cause rn my keyboard sound creamy more than thock
what about KAT profile keycaps?
i just preordered some KAT explosion: Dye Sub PBT, $30 for alphas, $60 for mods
id love to get GMK mecha but i couldn't stomach paying $130 for a kit and then getting shine afterwards
I got my Varmilo MIYA Sakura mainly cause of the dye sub PBT keycaps haha
where did you get the blank blue cap for the K6's rgb key (top right) ?
Newbie to mechanical keyboards here. That keychron k6 is a gateron switch, right? Does that mean I can safely buy PBT cherry profile keycaps for a gateron switch?
Honestly you can look at the shine as the sort of Patina equivalent for Mech Keyboards 🤔
Nice vid
do all PBT keycaps shine light thru letters or only double shot ones?
What about Drop dcx white on black and monokei wob series 1, which one is thockier?
But can I put Pbt keycaps on Abs Keyboard?
What is the best gmk keycaps? 👍🏻
why are most sa profile keycaps usually abs?
should i buy abs or pbt
Hey, I was wondering if you could recommend an RGB mechanical keyboard for me. I am looking for something tenkeyless or at least like 96% compact like the K4. I have a mac laptop and a PC so I was hoping to get something that worked with both. I'd prefer to spend under $100. Any advice/recommendations?
Switch and Click thanks sm for the help
What are those switches? I cant find the link in the description
About gmk, they can be the top about colors or legends, but I sold out it bcs I really dont like ABS feeling
Would you mind share the resources that you buy those keyboard, keycaps, and switches and group buys. Thank you
@@SwitchandClickOfficial thank you! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LuSeaBR_qinNxBPnLV8m5ZZvJweNo6A0wEDvObJ4OMk/edit#gid=0 this one is good for keycaps!
@@SwitchandClickOfficial awesome thank you so much.
any nordic pbt keycaps?
Hi, Need your advice on buying keycaps as I am new to overall mechanical keyboards. How should we go about buying the keycaps. Do we look for keycaps compatible with the keys we have (like Geteron Switch etc) it do we go by the size of original keys that came with keyboards. For example when I did a quick search for 'keycaps' on Amazon, I couldn't see any size mentioned in the listing. Thanks in advance.
For the size and a cross-shaped stem: switchandclick.com/2020/07/08/will-it-fit-finding-keycaps-that-will-fit-your-keyboard
@@SwitchandClickOfficial thanks for the reply - I've seen all that but my question was in most listings they don't mention the size or any other spec which we can look for.... So what I am asking, what are we supposed to look for? Do we look for keycaps that fit the keys or these are standard irrespective of the brand of the keys? How do we know the key sizes of not listed and how to make sure they will fit our keys?
Itll have a picture that shows the entire set usually
Are GMK pbt? I see you have the reversed spacebar like a boss. : ) Is the K6 programmable?
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Cool thanks! I've never heard of a non-programmable keyboard being upgraded via firmware update. That will be interesting to see if if that's what they do or if it's a hardware plug-in or something. I remember there being a chip you could buy to turn the HHKB into a programmable board.
sooo, is logitech k120 uses pbt keycaps?
I used pbt pudding keycaps with my roccat vulcan 120
what keycaps will you recommend on clicky switches? pbt or abs?
You just have to choose the one that suits your typing experience most. Since most of the signature sound of the keycap itself are overshadowed by the sound of the Clicky switch.
Is it okay if I bought the pbt keycaps and use it on an abs keyboard ? Because my keyboard originally comes with abs keycaps :( does it affect ?
YES totally fine
do you know where i can get some double shot pbt keycaps with the top row having the media and windows functions with rgb see through? i have the cougar ultimus and it has some nice functions on the top row. most keycaps i see don't have the media functions on them. thanks in advance
Not any custom keycaps, only stock ones on boards. Razer does I think
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Thanks for your reply. That really sucks when you have functions markings on keycaps and can't find replacements. I'll just have to remember where they are or maybe get them custom made.
I dislike the keycaps that come with keyboards now in days. So thin and gross sounding. I've been using my Corsair double shot pbts for years now. They are also great. Alot of users don't understand the difference in profiles ether. For the high end I like Kats. But not gonna lie a nice gmk set is always great. Awesome stuff guys. I love the review 👍😍
I’m confused can someone answer a question for me do you need different types of keycaps for different types of switches or not
No
@@SwitchandClickOfficial thank you
Still waiting for k6 mod video :D.
So I like 3D printing, and hearing you say "ABS is good with warping" is really unnatural. It almost sounds insane, but it's just a completely different process of creating.
For those who are not into 3D printing, ABS is notorious for being difficult to 3D print with and warping all the time, along with being annoying to take care of and just overall not a great material to print with, unless ABS really has the exact right material properties for you.
It's all a scam, I knew it! They don't want us to use PBT because it's OP.
What plastic does the Redragon K552 keycaps uses?
ABS
Hi, can you give me specifically the name of keycaps for k6?
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Thanks 😃
i prefer the smoother texture of ABS
I'm looking for a nice usb-c cable, any suggestions?
Thok.click
Why do you call XDA a strange profile?
so wait, are abs and pbt keycaps compatible on any type of switches???
Depends on the stem, but yeah, most keycaps are cross-shaped stem
I think the company is called YMDK, and not YDMK like you usually say in your videos
Cool
Is the tai hao keycaps which abs is as good as gmk abs keycaps?
Not as good but much cheaper
Which one is louder in general
@@SwitchandClickOfficial thx I will get pbt
Thick PBT keycaps can be very heavy and make you feel like you're playing a piano (in my experience). The weight of the key can completely dominate the entire stroke and make a very subtle tactile key like cherry browns feel like crap. They might be great for linears for all I know or maybe very heavy tactile switches. I think textured light ABS is the way to go (for ME). This is based on my negative experience of a Leopold FC750R which was improved by some old ABS. What do you think Betty? Why do people love thicc keycaps so much?
It comes down to sound and feel preference. I prefer the sound that PBT keycaps gives to the tactile switches I'm currently using
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I should have added I am a very weak and inexperienced typist and I don't game :) also thank you for the inverted space bar tip it's amazing
Personally, I prefer ABS for its deeper sound profile and its lower tendency to be deformed.
What is "SA"? And what is that website you mention at the beginning?
It's a much taller keycap profile switchandclick.com/2020/04/23/ultimate-guide-to-picking-a-keycap-set-for-your-mechanical-keyboard/ There's some helpful pics in here if you're interested in the height of different profiles
@@SwitchandClickOfficial wow that was fast! Thanks!
I've tried PBT, but curious about POM
@@SwitchandClickOfficial very hard to find; it's rare that someone offers them and even more rare that they're in stock, but....
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What keyboards did you use in this video? Please reply
I think the drop ctrl. But it must've varied
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Thanks!(≧▽≦)
Keycap makers really need to support European layouts more -_-
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