NEW Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Review! A Final Blow To The BMW M3 & AMG C63
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- The Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio is back for 2024! This updated car gets key changes to make it faster, more comfortable, and even more of a threat to the G80 BMW M3 and hybrid Mercedes-AMG C63 S E Performance. Alfa's turbocharged V6 super saloon is in its twilight years, but that doesn't mean it can't throw one final 520hp punch at its rivals...
In this review, Sam Sheehan gets to drive the car on the roads of Oxfordshire to see how its wider 600Nm torque band affects real-world performance, before exploring how its GTA-sourced limited slip differential influences handling. Sam also shows you the Giulia Quadrifoglio's infotainment tech upgrades, and compares its practicality to those aforementioned German competitors.
Priced from £78,195, the 2024 car is more expensive than before, but still undercuts the M3 by more than £4,000, and the hybrid (and therefore more technologically complicated) C63 by a full £20k! Theoretically, the Alfa still holds a key advantage because you needn't spend too much on options to unlock its full potential, whereas both the BMW and Mercedes can quickly surpass their starting prices with must-have add-ons. The Giulia becomes even more enticing when you see the prices here: www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/alf...
If the Giulia Quadrifoglio is too extreme, expensive and not practical enough for you, then it's definitely worth checking out their more sensible yet fun to drive offerings, such as
- the Alfa Romeo Giula 280 Veloce or TB Super: www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/alf...
- and the more practical Alfa Romeo Stelvio 280 Speciale and 210 Milano
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Specifications:
- Engine: 2.9L V6 Biturbo, 520hp, 600Nm
- Top speed: 191mph
- 0-60mph: 3.9s
- Fuel: Petrol
- Transmission: 8-speed ZF Automatic
- Wheels driven: Rear wheel drive (RWD)
- Differential: Limited slip differential (LSD)
- Dimensions: L: 4,639mm W: 2,024mm H: 1,428mm
- Wheelbase: 2,920mm
- Weight: 1,660kg
- Doors: 4
- Boot capacity: 480L
- Electrically operated tailgate
- Body style: Saloon
- 12.3" Full TFT instrument cluster
- Android Auto + Apple CarPlay
- Reversing camera
- Carbon fibre: Bonnet, side skirts, spoiler, dashboard, centre console
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00:00 EPIC INTRO!
00:11 Long in the tooth
00:37 Same engine - more spice
00:51 Chassis improvements?
01:13 Road driving
01:40 Punches above its weight
01:57 Engine and exhaust sounds
02:35 Gearbox and shift paddles
03:27 Handling and performance
03:59 Refreshingly lightweight
04:12 Dimensions
04:18 Ride and comfort
05:30 Letting loose on track
05:46 Price
05:58 Cost to run (mpg)
06:12 Interior and infotainment
07:52 Rear seat space
08:04 Boot space
08:14 Why we want one!
08:36 Engine start up sound
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The Giulia is one of those models which will still look beautiful in decades to come 🤩. And as a famous TV show once said, ,You can't be a true petrolhead until you've owned an Alfa Romeo' 😉
Timeless indeed! Could this be a future classic? 👀 It's looking that way.
I used to disagree with said famous TV presenter, but with the Giulia Quadrifoglio, it's looking to be true.
/Jamil
@@cinch absolutely 😄. It's definitely a car we'll still remember fondly in years to come 🤩
And the new BMW looks ugly already as it steps out of the factory 😂
The aftermarket front bumper kits look tempting though 👀
Cringe ngl@@cinch
In dec. 2021 I considered following new cars to purchase: G80 M3/M4, M340i, Audi Rs3 sedan, Audi Rs5, Mercedes AMG A35 sedan, Mercedes C43 AMG, G87 BMW M2 (didn't waned to wait 2 years for a lanuch), Ford Mustang 5.0, Chevrolet Camaro 6.2 SS. It all came down between M3, M340i (down on power but wickedly fast and I got a damn good deal on one) and Giulia Quadrifoglio. Went with Giulia and it was best decision I ever made. Would I be happy in an M3 or M340i? Absolutely. Did they give you the driving felling like Giulia? Not even close. M340i felt almost digital how it handled, especially in the long fast corners. Like you were placed on a railroad cart with artifical akward feedback. Giulia was so much more engaging and the feedback feel is second to none. Truly a future classic and I would buy it again in a heartbeat.
When you say "M340i felt almost digital how it handled, especially in the long fast corners" - is this from track usage? On the road I hardly feel any issue on handling, but rather the aggressive setup of the car, like it think it is on the track and want to fly off.
@@frodej6640 Public Road, no track. Car felt very planted, almost gave me the Rollercoaster vibe but the steering wheel feedback felt digital/artificial compared to Alfa's.
This is the Best Sport Sedan in the Planet. It is a Refine Patek Philippe vs all those Apple Swatch. And Now that production will be stopped Value will grow up
That's an interesting analogy and prediction. It wouldn't surprise me if they became collectible in the future.
/ Jamil
Did the m5 die or something cause its definitely not this alfa lmfao
@@TehNiCoLaS M5 is a Luxury sedan, 7 series is an executive.
Giulia, C class, A4 and 3 series are all sports sedans.
He wasn't talking about sedans that were fast, it's a segment.
@@TehNiCoLaSit's always a bmw fan boy coming out with there crap
The watch analogy is very sagacious!!
Automotive work of art.
It certainly feels like art up close. It's going to age beautifully
/Jamil
Huge fan of the Giulia four-leaf clover, and it sounds incredible too!
We hope they keep making them as long as possible.
/Jamil
I am so glad you talked about the analog controls! I love those on my Giulia. I can reach down, eyes still on the road, find the volume knob, and change it. Turn down the heating. Turn off the defrost. Move to the next audio tract. All with my eyes still on the road. I love that. The Giulia really feels like a car, not a simulator.
That's how it should be! Such a shame that this isn't the norm any more.
/Jamil
Touch screens are a solution in search of a problem. On phones, tick. To use a phone you look at the screen. To drive a car well and safely you look at the road and take your eyes off it minimally. Touch screens in cars are such a dumb idea I wonder at the intelligence of the car execs who make the decisions to put them in. I only ever hear motoring journos say they wish the touchscreen-equipped car they're driving had reals knobs and buttons. I've never heard anyone say that a touchscreen has improved things.
@@markkeohane9850 agreed, though as it turns out, touch screens are cheaper than buttons and knobs, so cars that rely on them are now.... cheap.
I'm a software engineer, mostly management these days, with a lot of gaming experience. A few years ago I turned down an interview for a job with a major car maker to run the team making games for their touch screen. It was an ethical no way for me.
@@hawks6973 And yet..and yet... the prices of new cars are eye-watering. I can't help thinking there's an 'analogue' market there mirroring vinyl and film. Real dials. Real knobs and buttons. No mood lighting. No touch screens. No infinitely variable driving modes. Perhaps even sensibly-priced. My own wagon is a 14 year old 120 coupe that I bought used for 6k. Suits me just fine.
I tested both the M3 and Q4. Alfa all day every day. The driving experience is just another level. Literally feels like a 4 door Ferrari or exotic, but with actual practicality. Suffice to say, I'm a proud Quad owner now.
🔥🔥🔥
What has Quadrifoglio ownership been like for you? Been on any roadtrips?
@@cinchI haven't been on any roadtrips yet. Just got the car recently so haven't had a chance to really give it the beans. I can say it's a great touring car, comfortable etc, but when you switch to dynamic or race it's a beast. Very thirsty too if you put your foot down. No issues so far and I don't really anticipate anything from what I've read.
Congratulations! 🎉🎉🎉
Wishing you many happy miles in your new Giulia Quadrifoglio. Please update us if you take it out on a roadtrip. We'd love to hear about it
@@cinchWill do. I'm in Canada so driving season has just begun !
Thats interesting... I'm a BMW fan however I saw a black Giulia Quad the other day and my petrol headometer was mesmerised by the Alpha's presence! I so want one now!
I've got a 2017.
Daily driven, no dramas whatsoever.
The only other thing I'll buy is another one.
Now that's high praise! We'd love to know more about your ownership experience. What roads you've taken it on, what weird and wonderful uses you've had for it.
@@cinch
Western Australia so there's enough deserted roads to have got it up to 280k/ph, in a car fast enough to have lost half of my license demerit points.
It demands to be driven fast and rewards you for doing so. In order from most recent my previous cars have been C63S, A45S, LZ Focus RS, VE Holden Calais V8, Lexus IS300 and 1999 Subaru WRX STi.
This is head and shoulder above any of them.
Funniest story?
The Alfa Romeo dealership quoting $3500 for a brake pad change. Did it myself for $400.
got mine new, 518 km spewing petrol all over the ngine bay, spent 3 months in the shop. Would not want to own one out of warranty
@@frenchie3167
I had two AMGs that blew diffs, so, you know... It happens.
Trading my 2017 in also. Just placed an oder for a fully spec 24. 6-8 months lead time. Last time to get one is now. I’m in Australia.
What a great car and reliable too. It was designed from the ground up at this level and then the lesser models were produced from it.
That's usually a good sign. It means that we can expect to see a lot of qualities trickle down into the rest of the lineup. That's why the 280 is so compelling, especially at these prices www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/alfa-romeo/giulia?useMonthly=true
/ Jamil
I had two of these and will keep the second one “forever.” No technical issues at all by now.
@@layne4376 ha you have never owned one…
@@layne4376 Bro it is. It has no touching points with older Alfa's. I have one for 2,5 years with no problems. One small issue was the led blinker on the passenger side rear view mirror died and had to be replaced under warranty (took em 30 min). That's about it.
Great review! I love the Giulia so much I have owned 3 now. This makes me want to upgrade to a 2024 someday, which shouldn't be too hard with how much value they hold over the years. I wish everyone could experience a quadrifoglio!
Thank you for the very kind compliment. It's even more of a compliment to the car that you've owned 3!
We agree that more people need to experience this car or at least consider it when looking to buy a car in this segment.
/ Jamil
@@cinch you’re welcome! And I couldn’t agree with you more. The brand is truly iconic
Looking forward to seeing what comes next from the brand. Will they be able to make an EV that stirs the soul in the same way as the current Giulia Quadrifoglio? We hope to find out and publish it here so make sure you're subbed and tap the notification bell so you don't miss it 😉
/ Jamil
@@cinch we’ll get a good idea of the brands direction when the new Milano is announced.
I own the 21 model with analog instruments in Montreal Verde and all relevant options. Perfect car with excellent value for the money and in terms of driving pleasure and design far superior to the BMW M, Mercedes AMG and Ferrari I ever had.
I’m sure it will become a modern classic as soon as production stops and prices will skyrocket in a couple of years. Something “uncontrolled” like this will never ever be built again by a major car company. The fact that Fiat allowed this to be built for 1 billion euros dev cost is already a miracle.
Keeping my Porsche Carrera S3.8 from 2013 as well. Now already becoming a modern classic without all the digital bling bling from EVs…
😎
You have excellent taste! That's a great colour.
It's certainly a great slice of this current era of the automotive industry as well as Alfa Romeo history.
Please tell us more about your Carrera S 3.8 👀
/Jamil
That exhaust!!
It was meticulously engineered to give you goosebumps...
...probably.
Don't quote me on that.
/Jamil
I like the additional comments you put in the captions!
Glad someone noticed 👀 Thank you
/ Jamil
Great review and video. Lovely car.
Thank you for your kind words! Expect to see more like this - subscribe and turn notifications on so you don't miss it
/ Jamil
I love my magnesium paddle shifters
Great review!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. If you'd like to see more content like this, make sure you're subscribed and tap the notification bell so you don't miss the next one.
/Jamil
no competition ... especially in looks/appearance!
We'd have to agree on the looks. We're glad it has stuck around for as long as it has.
/Jamil
Excellent review, well edited and scripted. Good message on simplicity over tech. In the long term it will probably be more affordable to maintain than the four wheeled iPhones the competitors are making these days. A true classic in waiting.
Thank you!
Great car
Glad you enjoyed the film
/Jamil
Best saloon car in it's class since 2017 !!!!!!
Definitely one of our favourites 😃
/Jamil
Utter nonsense.
@@Chris-jt4ux Yes, you are spouting utter nonsense.
@@rlseditiondeary me. You must be drunk.
@@Chris-jt4ux No, I actually own a Giulia. You don't.
That's the best quality production car review I've yet seen on YT. Fantastic work Sam and team. Excellent detail, information, filming and production values. You could have slipped a quick reference to steering feel and feedback in the driving impressions, as much of the tone of this felt like a wonderfully accessible way of communicating quite detailed information and impressions to a broad audience. Very well done!
The car seems lovely also. I wish I could afford one before they're all gone!
Hi Samuel. Thank you for your super kind compliment. We're trying our best to make these videos feel accessible to a broad audience while keeping as much detail as possible, so your compliment means a lot to us.
We hope to make more videos like this and it makes it a lot easier to justify if it gets shared and the channel gets subscribed to. So, if you could kindly do those things and spread the word with like minded automotive enthusiasts or someone you know who's looking to buy a car, you'd be helping us make more films like this.
Since filming this car, Sam and I (Jamil), have been contemplating the Giulia 280 Veloce which seems to be a much more accessible way to get a lot of the good stuff trickled down from the Quadrifoglio and the prices make it so much more tempting 👇
www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/alfa-romeo/giulia?useMonthly=true
/ Jamil
@@cinchThanks Jamil, I certainly will pass on info about the channel. Best of luck for your future successes. Looking forward to more content in future. You guys make a great team.
Love mine! Reliable beautiful and fun car!
You're the fourth person to say positive things about the reliability of their own Giulia. We love to hear it. Looks like there's some common misconceptions around the topic.
/Jamil
I've got a 2017 one.
Never had any issue with it apart from the plastic handle for the bonnet that broke. Enjoying every ride in it.
The only thing I would want is another one 😆
Love to hear that you're a proud owner of one and had a relatively trouble free experience. Been on any road trips or track days in yours?
/Jamil
These subtitles are ELITE!
Thank you Curtis! 😆
/ Jamil
Awesome car🏎want one for sure❤❤
I have an alfa romeo 159 which I'm in love with, can't imagine how this one is feeling when driving.
Would you choose the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio over the BMW M3 or Mercedes AMG C 63 E Performance? Whether you do or don't, let us know why.
Yes, cause sportscars are all about driving experience
Both German cars are excellent products - but nothing compared to this Italian girlfriend.
😎💃
Bmw m3/m4 obviously. Theirs a reason everyone is trying to be them/beat them. Still failing miserable. The alfa doesn't come anywhere close to the level of performance of the new m3 m4
M3 Touring
Grandpa vs … actually I like 🇮🇹 cars, Italian cars owners don’t worry about new models of their cars coming out every 4 to 6 years
It’s a timeless design ❤
I think so too! Always a head turner
/ Jamil
Had a Giulia QV and now have a G80 M3, some inaccurate information….
don’t let the manufacturer claims fool you the QV is actually just as heavy as the M3 - have a look at actual owner weighing results.
Both are excellent cars and I’d have either tbf, the m3 is far more capable and tunable but despite being the faster and far more effective (and better engineered) car it doesn’t feel as special somehow.
To anyone considering one I’d certainly try both before deciding.
Been down this road, driving both cars on commutes, fast roads and track. The BMW is more thoroughly engineered and fast but artificially numb. The Alfa is the truer driving machine with real sound and character. It is a smooth operator relative to the more explosive and boring M car.
@@nessuno5403each to their own but I disagree. The M car is far from boring and the harder you push the better it responds, the Alfa prefers a 7/10ths drive and when pushed harder comes somewhat unhappy.
@@stephenlongfield8492 let me rephrase - it is boring because it is now more GT and easier plus more artificial to drive faster. The Giulia is alive albeit more so above 3000rpm. Give me real sound, a more agile chassis, better steering and suspension anytime. BMW is not boring to traffic light sprint champions and drifters. In the bends, it leaves to be desired with its girth too.
@@nessuno5403that’s the point though, it’s not more GT at all. It’s far more rewarding to drive hard and on the limit.
The chassis is leagues better than the Alfa and it corners better. The damping at higher speeds on the Alfa is too soft and it loses composure. The e diff is clumsy and it often ends up spinning one wheel as it struggles to lock at the appropriate time.
The front active splitter is a constant nuisance with poor ground clearance even at standard ride it constantly touches the floor on more challenging bumpy roads, I have no issues on the same roads in the M3.
Sound as stick I agree the Alfa is louder and less artificial, I’ve simply coded the sound through the speakers off and installed a midpipe and the sound is not only improved but to my ears better than the Alfa.
Another weak point on the Alfa is the heavy torque reduction when in anything other than race mode (which also deactivates the traction/stability plus stops you from having the softest setting of suspension.
As I said, it’s still a great car but it’s in a class behind the G80 in honesty.
@@stephenlongfield8492 I consider the G series M cars more GT (had an F87) because they are easier and too easy to drive fast for anyone 😴 Anyway, you lost me at "e-diff" for the Alfa because you obviously don't own and have not driven one with the new setup 🙂 And, despite all, it says a lot that a 2016 project still matches and is preferred by many over the newer German obese offerings. When I walked off the G80, I also praised the B58 because the S58 is not as characterful as the S55 was. And with a worse ZF vs fun DCT it again adds (sorry) boredom.
Wonderful review! I’ll surely miss my GQV if I ever sell it 😢 I’ll be thinking about it once I hit 100k miles.
Make this miles count!
/Jamil
One of the best sedans ever made.
It will go down in history as the most engaging TTV6 because it’s an Alfa and they made it for you to thrash
We love this engine! And we're curious to see how they develop the V6 in its next iteration - the 33 Straddle. We're hoping to film that car so subscribe so that you don't miss it!
/Jamil
Stunning car!
It really is. Will age gracefully!
/Jamil
Best car i have ever owned on my second one now after selling my GTR.This car will put a smile on your face,oh and they are reliable lol in my experiance.
We love to hear that other owners have said the same thing regarding reliability. This might be Alfa's golden age 😲
Would you mind sharing some of your favourite memories of your QF? Any great driving roads or road-trips that bring it to life?
/ Jamil
Without a doubt the best car I have ever owned. And yes, I have owned plenty. Sold my Audi TT for this and don’t regret it one bit. Plenty of boring Audi and Mercedes here in Australia but not a lot of Alfa’s. if you want a performance car that stands out from the crowd and look forward to track days as well as the daily commute - get one of these before it’s too late and they go all electric. A future classic for sure. Great video BTW.
Thank you for your kind words, Neil.
We're glad to hear that you've had such a great ownership experience with your Giulia Quadrifoglio.
Have you been on any fun road trips or track days with your Giulia.
We have a feeling that it'll be a future classic too. Only time will tell though.
/Jamil
No track days... yet. I am running the car in, even if cars these day supposedly don’t need it. I plan one for sure though! I have to say I look forward to piloting it every day for the work commute lol.
Good video
Thank you Dave. Much appreciated 😃
/Jamil
Alfa, every day of the week. In love with this car - would sell my house and live in it if I didn't need more vertical storage space than it can provide :(
I know just how you feel which is why I'm looking at more affordable Giulias such as the 280 Veloce model. It might also be your ticket:
www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/alfa-romeo/giulia?useMonthly=true
/Jamil
Quest’auto è arte
Took a chance on a QV 2yrs ago, yes there was some pain to go through with a couple faults and the dealership network isn’t great, however it’s absolutely worth it and I still love it as much as the day I bought it, and this is coming from a Type R fan having both fk2 and 8 models with bulletproof reliability, still wouldn’t let go of my Guilia, yes it’s that good
Wow! Thank you for sharing your experience with the QF, Nick. Glad to hear that you're loving it.
How many miles have you done in it?
/Jamil
@@cinch 12,000 give or take
Perfect car😇
I love my IS500 but the Guilia is a great looking car.
This thing is fast!
Certainly felt like it!
/Jamil
does anyone know if the US gets all the upgrades including 520 bhp that he mentioned??
Diff is not from the GTA.
GTA has TV (torque-vectoring) diff, like QV, but face-lifted QV now has mechanical LSD, which is more predictable, lighter, probably more reliable and less prone to overheating (like TV diff was).
Correct. The confusion may be due to translation - this new facelift inherits suspension changes inspired by the GTA, not the LSD as noted.
Da orgoglioso possessore di Giulia Quadrifoglio cambio manuale, e tutti gli optionals, vi dico di seguire il consiglio:
Correte a comperare subito la Giulia bellissima e con un'anima perche a breve non ne troverete piu!
You are so lucky to have the manual transmission.
Loved The Title :) ❤ Real RWD Alfa's
For Years Us Old RWD Alfa Lovers Asked For "Real" RWD Alfa, We Finally We Got It.
(shame, i cant afford it, 2.0 used in my country is 25K Euro, QV 120-150K)
But I'm Glad I Head My Time With My 79 Tuned Alfetta GCL Saloon - It Was A Blast (Bought in 1989)
And The Memory Of Second Gear Corners Power Slides Will Stay With Me For Ever. 🙂
(and so is the racing clutch in traffic jams)
Yeah it feels like it's been a really long time since the last RWD Alfa Romeo. Thank you for your kind words. If you'd like to see us make more films like this please share this with likeminded petrolheads as well as subscribe with notifications on so you don't miss the upcoming Alfa Romeo content
/Jamil
Great video!
Just have a single picky problem with it: when you show the dimensions of the car, go for the width without the mirrors.
Thank you Gustavo. If you'd like to see more like this from us, please help us to justify it by subscribing and sharing with like minded petrol heads.
The width sans mirrors comes to 1.86m.
/Jamil
Good dash as you explained, I have a feeling that the huge iPads will get rejected , when people don't want them anymore. especially the cars where everything is controlled ! absolute madness. If that carries on im buying 90's car
It might take some time but I think; either more people will agree or vehicle safety regulators will step in (Euro NCAP have already started to).
/ Jamil
The best mid-size sedan in the world 🔥
I don't have the Four Cheese version, mine's a TI, but I've had it three years now and had zero - none - nada - problems. The little hatch in the trunk where the battery is doesn't line up perfectly any more. That's the sum total of problems I've had. I still - after three years - when I walk out of the door knowing I'm driving it, it's still a thrill. I look for opportunities to drive somewhere now, as long as I'm driving my Giulia.
Four cheese 🤣
That's exactly the sort of story we love to hear. When it makes you want to go for a drive - that's when you know you've chosen the right car. Wishing that you continue to have many happy miles.
Have you been on any road trips with the car?
/Jamil
@@cinch Road trips? Yes, several. The best one was down US-101 from Aberdeen, WA to Arcata, CA. A little under 600 miles, but along the Pacific coast, through all the beach towns of Oregon and the Redwood forests. Those stretches of 101 have a lot of curves and hills, and it's a great place to drive a sports car. At any moment, you are either enjoying the thrill of driving a twisty road, or else you're stuck behind an RV doing 20 mph and have an opportunity to enjoy the absolutely beautiful views.
Hi from Italy! For the brakes you can always choose carbon ceramics as an optional!
Hello Samuel! That's good to know, thank you.
If i only had enough money😳😍
the next Giulia will be a rebranded / electric Dodge, weighing 3000 kg... Can you imagine what crazy prices the truly-AlfaRomeo Giulias from 2023/2024 will reach?
I looked at this but decided on my G80 M3 manual. Neither the C63 nor the Alfa got close to the M3.
What sold you on the car?
We wish we could get the G80 M3 manual in the UK😭
/Jamil
Fundamentally the gearbox is the same as the M3 - 8 speed ZF with a torque converter. It's just the calibration that's different - and means a lot!
Goes to show how important calibration is. Makes a huge difference.
/Jamil
It is just software and usually it can be reprogrammed easily
I don't know about anything... but the car after 9 years is still beautiful. Can't be said about most other cars.
You certainly know this. Hard to disagree with you on that one. Reckon it might be a future classic just on design alone?
/Jamil
Surprising they didn’t update their infotainment center. Even Cadillac CT5 and 4 are making updates and the blackwing is killer
What new features of the infotainment were you looking for?
/Jamil
@@cinch I would like a faster processor, better back up camera, and a new design. I like the look of the new upcoming ct5 which seems to borrow from the lyriq and the Jaguar XE and xf look clean and modern. For an expensive car like this one I think it could help it. I just bought a Jag XE but I had this alfa on my list (it was my #3) and since I spend almost all my time in the driver seat, I wanted something that matched the luxury of the car.
If only they made a wagon version 🙏😁
Was thinking just this but a viewer commented that they swapped their Giulia Quadrifoglio for a Stelvio Quadrifoglio for space for their dogs. Given that they're mechanically very similar, it might be the solution you're looking for.
www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/alfa-romeo/stelvio
/ Jamil
I've got a bmw m3. And i love it. Beautiful car and awesome driving experience on the road. Maybe on track, the alfa could get up to a little bit more.... but i dont track my cars. When i get rid of the bmw in 18-24 months time i will try the alfa. I'll give it a real go. But until then, the m3 is making me very happy as a daily. There's a reason everyone else is making cars to try and compete.
Glad to hear that you're enjoying the M3. Which generation is it?
Yes, we strongly recommend giving it a test drive at least.
/Jamil
I believe production of the Giulia stops in 2024, so you won’t be able to get a new one in 18-24 months
Get it mapped by celtic tuning
I did and it's now 604 bhp
👀👀👀 please tell us more about what it's like to drive. We'd love to investigate this 🔍
/Jamil
BMW G series M3/4 also has the ZF auto gearbox!
And yet, such a big difference. I suspect BMW chased the best performance whereas Alfa would have tried to go for more characterful gear changes.
/Jamil
ALFA ROMEO Top D++++ 👆🏻👏🏻👏🏻💪🏻🙏🏻😎🇧🇷🇮🇹 FIOTEIROS!!!
Has the Veloce been upgraded??
Yes. It was updated in 2023
Its also the only car in its class with active aero and real functional diffuser.
Yep! That'll set it apart for years to come
One thing that the Alfa has as an advantage over the other two brands/models is it's fabulous looks. No modern day BMW or Merc comes close. And driving over the public roads like a lunatic is not for everyday if you even do that at all.
I fully agree. The looks alone make it very compelling
/ Jamil
I'd take this over any current Ferrari never mind a Merc or BeeEmm.
Just a pity there's no clutch pedal though 😐
Oh wow! That's a bold claim, Andrew and we see where you're coming from but we'd still like to have a go at some Ferraris.
A manual option would have been nice but those aluminium shift paddles bring a similar (but certainly different) experience that makes it much easier to not notice the empty space next to the brake pedal.
What would be your alternative manual choice in this class?
/Jamil
A manual existed in 2016 and they made about 1000 for mainland Europe only up to 2018. It wasn't worth it or as good as the automatic according to many reviews.
@@nessuno5403 yeah only available in left hand drive 😐
Fascinating. Makes you wonder how much work it would take to convert it to a manual
/Jamil
BMW M4/3 gearbox is the same though, so assume it's just a software issue?
Yeah, it's a software calibration difference
/Jamil
What about the oder Version 2020? Not quadrifolio 280 ps?
The 280 is still a really appealing car which we reviewed here: czcams.com/video/dWCghimdW6M/video.htmlsi=9cwdNnG7zYPJt5Eh
/Jamil
I’ve had Ferraris and Porsches and my Alfa is one of my all time favourite cars. I wish I still had it.😢
That's high praise Glenn.
Did you replace it with anything fun?
/Jamil
@@cinch Taycan Turbo S, then GTC4 Lusso. 812 Superfast next
the gearbox is the same as are used in the BMWs. Maybe they just didn’t nailed the programming this time as they did with the previous engine mapping.
Yeah maybe. Suspicious as to why they didn't make any changes to the calibration for this update.
/ Jamil
tells the truth this guy.
We're glad you agree ☺️
/Jamil
Great review, Im still annoyed that Alfa won't offer a sunroof option like their competitors do.
Thank you! ☺️
It's interesting that they don't offer a sunroof because they do on the regular Giulia. Maybe it was a weight or emissions homologation requirement?
/Jamil
Why would you ruin a perfectly good sports sedan by cutting a gigantic hole in the roof?
@@brandons9138 Because not everybody wants to track their 3800 lb sport sedan . I also said I'd like a sunroof option just like bmw offers on their M3 , like Mercedes does with the c63 and Audi with the rs4. Key word option.
The quadrifoglio’s have a carbon fibre roof - I don’t think you can put a sunroof in those roofs????
It’s unfortunate that the sport sedan that has better handling and steering feedback than any of these cars never gets discussed. AND it comes manual as a real enthusiast car should.
Shame for not even mentioning the CT4 V Blackwing, it’s faster around a track and all major automotive journalists agree it’s the best handling/driving of the class.
Alfa should make a 2 door Coupe and a Sportswagon of the Giulia
That would be awesome!
/Jamil
Does this have any interior ambient lighting?
No
It doesn't have interior ambient/mood lighting but that seems to be quite low on the priority list of a focused car like this
/Jamil
BMW has NEVER lost sleep over an alfa romeo lmao
Shut up German fanboy but they stole alfa,s Montreal green bmw a joke
Way more fun to drive than an M3....Alfa gives you the power in all its rawest form....BMWs are fast but they all feel like someone is turning up a knob when pressing the gas....BUT ALL THAT FUN COMES AT A COST. Recently changed a drive belt on a Giulia Quad....the job pays 7 hours...whole front of the car has to come apart......INSANE. AND ITS STELVIO QUAD SISTER IS EVEN WORSE!
Watching the Lap Times of this Car, BMW is not loosing sleep over this Car. And watching Sales numbers is like taking a Napien for BMW 😂
That's fair. But lap times were neither focus of this car or this review
/Jamil
To quote the great Jeremy Clarkson, "You`re not a petrolhead if you haven`t owned an Alfa". Thank God I had two so I don`t have to go through the nightmare of owning an Alfa ever aagin.
😭😭 which Alfas did you have?
@@cinch A 75 Milan V6 and a 164 Quadrifoglio
Still the best in its class!
For sheer driving pleasure, probably, yeah.
/Jamil
Alfa Romeo lost to both BMW and Mercedes for the past 40 years. I hope with their new range of sedans and SUVs, (with each generations of Mercedes and BMWs looking same) the dynamics will be for Alfa Rmoeos in the next 20 years. They are "mini Ferraris" and every guy car should get one.
I believe it has the same ZF trans as the G80, just different calibration.
Ah yes. BMW have done a lot of work to calibrate the same ZF gearbox but something tells me that their goal was more towards performance whereas Alfa Romeo might have been going for a more characterful gear change?
/ Jamil
This Is my dream car and when you say it is not going to be available when Im old enough caused I'm a kid it hurts me💔
I bought my dream car 28 years after it ended production. I was 18. You can still make it happen when you're old enough.
/Jamil
Thank you for the inspiration.❤️
I had the 2017 model, and I've just bought the 2024 model because Alfa Romeo is stopping the production now. Amazing car! I had a 911 before, and believe me, this car drives much, much, much, better! Great value for what you get.
What a glowing review. We're glad to hear that you're having such a great experience with the Giulia QF.
What about the way that it drives has you hooked?
/Jamil
@cinch Hey Jamil,
I think that the handling is very sharp for a saloon car, and the gearbox is smooth and quick. Rear wheel driving is always preferable for me, but this car is quite dangerous when you get out of corners when you put it in race mode (which I like, haha). I thought the new mechanical differential (there was an electronic one in the old model) would make the car more predictable (again, a good thing for safety, but not when you take it to the truck/mountains) but I haven't noticed any change. Other than the driving experience, the sound of the engine is great, but the Turbo vibrations and sound are special. It's not even close to the sounds you get from the 911 for comparisent. The turbo sounds like the most beautiful fart I've ever heard. Thanks for the review, it was great!
Great car, but it is not a "final blow" to those cars, I'm not sure it is even on BMW and Mercedes radar. With the lightness I would take it to a weigh bridge as Alfa massively understates the weight of these cars.
Interior needs more tech, but everything else is really great
What tech features would you prefer to have?
/Jamil
Great, fantastic car, but Last of it’s kind 😢 Stellantis wants that Alfas Future is electric ☹️😬🤷🏽♂️
If Alfa Romeo put the same minds behind this Giulia Quadrifoglio into any future EVs, then there's hope that they'll make it really fun to drive.
/ Jamil
I just wish it sounded better
It is GIULIA, not Guilia 🙂
It is not Ferrari derived, but the same engineers have developped it ;-)
Thanks for the video anyway!
Ahh you've found the typo. Just keeping you on your toes 👀
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/Jamil
There are almost no C63s on the roads these days, I think that says A LOT. You see M3s mostly, but more quads than Mercs...
What do you think Mercedes should do to fix this?
@cinch a 4 cylinder and bland styling just doesn't work. The C63 has always been a bit of a muscle car. A 6-cylinder hybrid would have worked better. Otherwise just go full electric and throw millions of horsepower at it.
I think so too. Would be interesting to see how the E53 (with its turbo 6 cylinder hybrid) fares
/Jamil
This ain't a patch on the g80 m3 xdrive
What makes you say that Usman?
/ Jamil
Not at all.
No mention of the Audi RS3? [which looks like its trying too hard]
Alfa Romeo is way better than the Germans,and still underrated.
when the winter comes in alfa comes down, when warranty comes out alfa comes out....
As do clueless people with their innuendo and bias who have never owned one
Here we go again German fanboy let's face your all brain dead
Those pipes need cleaning and a lick of polish 🙂
We like to think of them as signs of a good time 😏😏😏
/Jamil
Good review but inaccurate: the M3 Competition ZF is worse than this Alfa's and the M3 CS have been retuned to improve it; the new suspension setup is GTA, not the LSD; you're wrong about a different power band and driving feel. Same torque and 0-100km/h acceleration confirm it, and top speed is only microscopically higher to make believe the extra power adds something. Anyway, only the EU, UK and China get +10hp.
Thanks! Perhaps it's the subtle changes to the rest of the car that ensured it, but the engine felt stronger and freer through the mid-range on our drive - and the Alfa explanation was a tweaked engine map. Either way, especially with an Akrapovic exhaust, the engine is a delight 😍 You're absolutely right about the LSD, I was so giddy with excitement when noting down the changes to the car that I managed to group the LSD in with the GTA chassis parts. Oops. Thankfully, the result is the same: driving heaven! Glad to see we have such knowledgeable people watching our videos 😁 /Sam
@@cinch apologies, but it's easy to get excited and be wrong when just test driving a car for a limited time instead of owning it :) Press release and esteemed automotive reporters such as Italy's Quattroruote confirm no noticeable power delivery change. And the Akrapovic on this car changes only the tone but not volume of the 690T engine note.
this is a car that gets praised like no other but no one buys them
It's a shame, really. We'd like to see manufacturers be incentivised to make more cars like this
/Jamil
🇮🇹💯💓🍀💪 Alla Grande
I had a Giulietta clover leaf and loved the way it drove. It was a nightmare to maintain though, had to take the drivers wheel and arch lining off to reach the oil filter..... which was handily placed above the drive shaft! It was also near impossible to change the cabin filter because the pedals were in the way, the lazy Italian %$%$%$%'s put zero effort in when building right hand drive cars.
Yeah so lazy they're top 10 economy, military, trading nation, wealthiest citizens in the world, #2 industrial power in the EU and have more auto, bike brands than any country including 5 of the top 10 fastest bikes in the world, Ducati with more FIM Championships than all other brands COMBINED, Ferrari most powerful brand and most championships in the world, Lancia most rally championships in the world, most fashion brands, manufacture 40% of the worlds super yachts that cost more than any super car, BUD.
I’m good with the AMG the old one with V8… C63 W204
Beastly machine. We hope Mercedes will return to this
/Jamil
@@cinch yeah me too! The last one is a huge disappointment for me! What a toy! 🤦