Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio vs Audi RS5: Shoot-Out! | Fifth Gear
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- čas přidán 4. 04. 2023
- Jason Plato is behind the wheel of an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio and Audi RS5 to see which is fastest around the Castle Combe circuit.
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The Giulia QV is the best driving luxury sports sedan ever made. Sensational drivers car. As good as the engine is it is the steering and chassis dynamics that make it so good. The best part is the 2.0T variants are almost identical in that regard.
You've clearly never drove either of these cars let alone both
That’s actually a pretty accurate assessment. I own an Estrema and have tested the Quad several times. I live in a snowy climate so decided I needed the AWD. There is very little if anything between the two in terms of handling, steering and dynamics. Alfa designed the Giulia around the V6 Quad not the other way around like Audi and BMW. So the lower end Giulias behave exactly like the Quad outside of its immense power.
Just got an alfa quad 2 weeks ago and it's just brilliant. Fast, comfortable, brilliant steering, looks fantastic and sounds even better!
Nice! How is the infotainment system? I saw some reviews complaining about that part being slow and the rear camera being of bad quality. Because I know the driving in that one is super cool!
@@saranciuc7717it’s mid, but tbh who cares. I just use car play and it’s perfect
For me I'll take the Alfa. Hands down.
You tweaking . Delete yo comment
All the german cars just garbages😂😂😂😂 Alfa Romeo is car audi german kitchen .
@@igetsrealmad5716any true enthusiast will take the Alfa for sure
Naah😂WHY 😂😂
@@alfa668 just a more of an enthusiastic car to drive. None of that German stuff.
Alfa every single day of the week, unless I had insomnia 😂
I think the tires on each car was diffrent. If Alfa had PZero Corsa in this low temperature outside, I ' m not surprised that Audi was quicker because it propably had Michelin PS4S. And that makes a big diffrence in low temperatures. I think that, all tests with time laps schould be compared on each car with the same tires .
Absolutely correct
Yes your right
That will indeed have an impact on times yes. But it's mainly the 4WD system that gives such an advantage in and out of the corners and maintaining slightly higher speeds that gets it round quicker. Would still have the Alfa any day though.
And it looked greasy in places.
But Audi never comes with Michelins. RS5 is always delivered with Crappy tires.
The Quadrifoglio all day for me as the Audi's a bit too clinical for my liking.
I think you have to also consider that the Alfa was designed in 2014-2015 and remains largely unchanged since then. If you consider that it’s taken Audi about 7 or 8 more years to design a car that’s quicker around the track than the Alfa, it’s far less impressive to me. Keeping in mind the Alfa’s looks are still far better after this time than really any Audi, including the latest ones, it’s Alfa for me all day, everyday, and twice on Sunday. I own a 2018 QV and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. I’ve owned many VW/Audi products in my life, and last car was a 2018 Golf R.
Exactly!! I briefly owned an 18 quad and was the best driving car ever owned. I test drove the rs5 and it was a horrible thing
its not quick its the driver was scared to push the car, wearass the 4wd audi is just easy and reassuring, but defiantly not faster. plenty of actual drivers reviews out there by professionals lol
@@ISOLATICN1if your implying it’s because the driver is no good, I think you need to Google who Jason plato is…
What would potentially help the alfas lap time is some PS4S tyres or Cup 2s, its biggest issue is traction and the stock tyres are horrible. Also the newer one has mechanical diff that is much better for track use
I own an alpha quad , and I have to say it’s by far the best car I’ve driven, I’ve owned a few cars over the years , but it’s and amazing car, the handling, the power and the noise 👌
You clearly don’t have one, you don’t even know how to write Alfa.
Lucky bugger!
@@bid84 I’ve since had nothing but trouble with the car!! Avoid at all costs!! Never been out of the garage with electrical faults, scared to drive it now for long distances due to it breaking down on me twice 👍
@@tumolucky17 oh man no way, nightmare! Sorry to hear this. Such a nice car, Shame the Italians haven’t learned to nail the cars together properly by now.
@@bid84 yeah I thought they had, unfortunately I was very wrong and lost a fortune on this car since purchasing it. Deciding weather to cut my losses and go back to bmw. I had to join the rac sadly and have used them on two occasions since owning an alpha . Fantastic car but still sadly same old alpha
Lighter, more powerful, better balanced Alfa, 2 sec slower on the dry race track? I would say we have to call the Man, who drove it back in 2016 (7:30 if I am right)
Dedicated to the Alfa fan boys 😉
Currently have a 72 plate RS5, would pick the Alfa all day long!!!! More character and more of a ‘driver’s’ car. Under steer in RS 5 is bloody awful, so much so it’s getting traded in next week for a new Maserati Grecale Trofeo - can’t wait to have a car again with a bit of personality ❤
Love my Quadrifoglio, great car!
Me too!!!!!
Me too!
When the Alfa came out in 2018 with the quad, I felt like I was in Jr High and losing control and put a book on my lap... 😂😂. Beautiful Vehicle
The Alfa was launched in late 2015.
Alfa all day long. I have Veloce and it’s a dream commuting and on mountain roads!
Same, I have the Veloce TI 280 in AR Red with Red calipers and I thought I was the only one in here!! I thought all the comments here were written by Executives and Senior Doctors 😂, so I am glad I am not the only one who got the "modest" version of this beauty. Also, amazing drive and powerful more than enough!!
Apparently, the 2020+ models lose the sharp and direct handling opposed to the 2017-2019 models due to the change in the front end geometry and refinement. Interior of the newer models combined with the steering of the older models would be above and beyond perfect.
If anyone’s curious of what I mean, watch “Autofanatic’s” video on his previously owned 2018 QV vs his previously owned 2021 QV. At the time, he bought the 2021 to replace his 2018 but kept going back to the 2018 due to better handling.
Yes, I have 2017 Giulia (a diesel one but same steering geometry of the quadrifoglio), and a friend of mine has a 2020 Giulia. I tried his Giulia and the steering difference is impressive. He tried mine and he almost wanted to exchange the cars... 😆
Anyway even if it lost something (but it is more comfortable on a highway because is less nervous) it is still an excellent steering.
Alfa!! no question! anytime anywhere!:)
I just traded in my 2020 C63S for a Giulia QV and the AMG is an objectively better car in many ways.
But I'll never, ever sell the Alfa. I'm utterly in love with it, the whole thing.
Whereas I only loved the engine on the C63.
Literally the most exciting sports saloon vs the most boring.
The Alfa is an exceptionally great car especially considering the platforms age, it came out in 2016. The Germans have taken 7 years to catch up! The Giulia Quadrifoglio is an all time classic and still a better drivers car than the competitors. I sold mine earlier this year after 3 years of perfection and still can't find a car that gives me that feeling for the same money. Currently looking at used Mclarens, Porsche GT3/GT4, Audi R8's and Ferraris.
Alfa Romeo every time. Real driver's car. The 2 litre 4 cyl Turbo (280 hp) Veloce RWD is energetic, god knows what the 2.9 litre V6 is like! Poor man's Ferrari. Also the AR is very good looking in any colour. A future classic. Hoping AR really take it to the Germans with an estate version (possibly with 4WD). I would buy one in a heart beat!
I went from Veloce to Quadrifoglio John. Buy one - you will not believe the difference. Utterly, utterly awesome.
Bullshit. How fast Audi went on the Nurburgring? 7' 59". Do you know how fast the Giulia Quadrifoglio was ? 7' 32" . So, can anyone explain why Plato was fastre on the RS5 by 1,5 sec ?!?
I can explain. Brought to you by VW.
Because he’s not a pro and doesn’t have the confidence in RWD and needs all the nannies.
Also that RS5 will only transport 4 adults as the back seats 2 only. This is an awful review.
He’s not a pro? Jason Plato? The two times BTCC champion with a top level professional racing career stretching over nearly two decades? Yeah ok…
@@daveishereforyou then explain his lap times.
I own an Alfa Q and he’s right abound the soft rebound. Very simple example: take a speed bump at a brisk pace and it bobs a little more than you’d like. That’s why I’ve replaced the shocks with KW V3 (they do a version specially made for this car). It feels much more taut and tied down and there’s less ‘assistance’ from the diff. Most owners will be perfectly happy with the default setup, but if you want to sharpen your Q up, this upgrade is money well spent.
Now this is useful info🤙🏻
Eibach Proline springs help too. Lowered they look even more awesome.
Also the fact Jason mentions the Alfa could do with a bit more rebound damping is a massive under statement the bloody thing never wants to stay on the ground it feels like it's free to piss off into the atmosphere at any moment. Shocking suspension tuning.
Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio is an all-time classic. We want fun not just tenths off a stopwatch. Good review from Jason, but there's only one winner for me and it's the Italian. And by a long margin.
The four leaf clover also represented the four members of the original racing team including enzo Ferrari
You're right about the nose diving, which also remains when installing the shorter ST springs. But there is a solution : installing the GTAm software for the dampers, which is offered by Squadra tuning in the Netherlands. Night and day difference !!
I honestly wouldn't even look twice if that Audi drove past me. With the Alfa on the other hand I would probably need to wipe the drool off my face.
Nice, very nice video!
👍👍👍
We had a much lower spec Giulia diesel as a courtesy car recently. Loved it apart from the navigation system oh and the price.
The facelifted Giulia Q has gotten a ZF differential instead of the electrical one, a different setup for the suspension and the steering is a little less direct which makes it less nervous to drive on a straight autobahn.
Alfa made this car to have seriously good fun. So it might not be the quickest on the track... it is the car that you step in to with a smile, and when you get home for dinner, you turn your head one more time to look at it after your Sunday drive...
What year did Alfa came out with the mechanical rear diff please?
The Alfa for the looks alone.
Perfect comparison
I own my second Giulia QV in Verde green. I think this is simply put one of the best drivers car ever made. This car is not only beautiful but a beast at the same time and handles like a dream. RS5 is a good car and I drove one on the track for half a day. its heavy, understeers big time, does not look as good as Giulia, Boring and does not sound as good either. No comparison here.
Wonder what tyres were on each car. Or if the track was bone dry. I didn't expect that result
I think it was slightly slippery and the Audi probably had better tires too
@@Top_Gear_Clips_Centralbut Audi has 60 hp less and is heavier
Its a 2.9 litre in the alfa not 3.0 😅
He took poetic license to round up the number. The correct number was in the dry on-screen specs.
Great effort from Audi. Just to note that the RS5 weighs 175kg more. Still that A5 begs to be silver and that front headlights can't stop any potential owner from knowing how many different variants there were and that they will be obsolete in no more than 1 year. It's just a much more commercial product which can battle with this Alfa only 6 years later. The Alfa with the stelvio Q4 would have indeed been faster thanks to better power to weight ratio, but alfa couldn't be bothered making a 4wd version of the Giulia, it looks exacly as it looked in 2016 because it can. It's a classic already and it has to be RWD. The RS5 will hold value on the market fairly well, but only become obsolete, never a classic.
What a great accurate comment mate, exactly my thoughts!!
there is a giulia q4 but has 280 hp, out of a 2.0L turbocharged 4 ,16valves, with 306 lb-ft or 400 Nm of torque
We love the Giulia so much, but we needed an estate for our family so we got a rs4 with the abt kit, so we have 510hp as well. I miss the RWD tho
Did you consider the Stelvio QV?
@@larrychew1 A friend of my dad had 1, and we swap it with the rs4 for a month.
The stelvio was incredible, closest thing to an estate u can get, and the engine is much more dramatic than the Rs4.
The only issue is that we didn't need the height, which you can feel when going very fast. And the interior looks very old when comparing it.
Amazing car tho, and best SUV you can buy for sure.
The new Honda Civic Type-R vs Toyota GR Yaris shootout please! (I have the GR-Y, just wondering if it is worth changing it with the new CTR.) Cheers!
Unlike most people I'm not going to pretend I can afford either of these cars, or that if I could, I would be driving them like Jason is here... No. These are both "dream cars".
That being said considering this Alfa is now 7 years old and, remarkably, almost the same price it was back in 2016, thats pretty damn good! And personally I like a car that does good handling without resorting to rock hard suspension. On the road, that makes a big difference to comfort and usability, which is what really matters, not lap times.
Plato, your laugh has always been well, a laugh 🍻
Yes, the Alfa 👍🍀😉
Quadrafoglio all day....in Kayalami green (which is an Audi paint colour) 👌💯🍀
Quadrifoglio* and Montreal* or Visconti* green at Alfa
Fantastic video, with a surprising result! Also, Jason channeling Alain de Cadenet with that flat cap. (RIP Alain)
Before the fast lap decides, I’m predicting a lap in favor of the AR. Having owned both & a current RS5 owner, there is nothing beyond experiencing a QV as your daily. You are truly a part of the car & vice-versa… fbow. 🤷♂️
Jason, love your Tag Heuer Carrera Calibre 16 watch!
How fast does it get to 60 seconds?
Audi= understeer paralympics car
I can't understand he thinks the suspension on the Giulia Q is quite soft. My Stelvio Q in Race-mode is just bonkers hard. It's almost to much. Is the Stelvio in Race-mode stiffer then the Giulia Q? Makes me wonder, because in Race-mode I feel like driving a lowered '98 Honda Civic. It's just that stiff and hard. I love it though, because in Race-mode it should be that hard for the track.
Besides: the Alfa almost 2 seconds slower? That's wel.... quite suprising.
I'd say because of the extra weight/height the Stelvio is sprung way more stiffly than the Giulia to compensate and reduce body roll
It’s almost like the Giulia and the Stelvio aren’t the same car at all!
Why is it hard to understand the suspension could be different between the two
To be fair I thought same. But track is so different to road.
On track it isn't "that hard", but I prefer a slightly softer car anyway, I use that softness to feel the edge more.
❤Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio ❤❤❤ my 4 door Ferrari
The new M2 v the Giulia QF please?
Alfa Romeo - a true drivers sporting sedan
Audi RS5 - bluntest tool in Audi's tool box....quickish though
The “true drivers sporting sedan” is slower on track and in a straight line gets embarrassed 😂
@@stefanomarcellino6701 The fastest Rimac is faster than the fastest McLaren...Whats your point again???
@@stefanomarcellino6701 that don’t mean anything when comparing to the great feeling you have when driving the Alfa
You can never know tell you try it
@@orwaw1001 I’ve driven both vehicles and i understand what you’re trying to say but the RS5 bluntest tool in Audi’s tool box? Have you driven a b9 RS5? Its very neutral in cornering and has a rwd bias differential/awd system. It doesn’t even feel like 4 thousand pounds when your pushing it hard. Everyone tries to discredit Audi’s performance but the Alfa lost on the track with 60 extra horsepower. Audi is better. Simple
@@stefanomarcellino6701 what are u smoking ? giulia has 7:32 on nurburgring and beats every audi on track. he just cant drive the giulia on full potential in the video
I'm sure Jason knew the engine displacement numbers but if you pay attention he called the Alfa a 3L ( 2:27) and then switched to saying both are 2.9L 6's when focusing on the Audi S5.
We generally only express one decimal place when referring to engine capacities.
You can be sure that neither of them are 2900cc or 3000cc, somewhere in that ball park.
Could you imagine if the called a golf gti a 1.984 litre?
Call a 5 litre Jag a 4.992 litre?
Snappy sounding names and concise badging takes priority of accurately measured swept volumes.
Alfa is a 2.9 ltr V6. Not a 3 ltr
I have the Giulia Estrema trim, basically a Veloce with the carbon fibre interior/exterior trim of the QV in Alfa Rosso. I absolutely love it, and the best part is Alfa designed the entire Giulia range around the QV, so whereas the M3 and RS5 are very different cars from their lesser mid range and entry spec versions, the base engine Giulia (in North America) with the LSD is essentially the same car as the QV to a T without the V6. It handles, steers and engages just like a QV minus the incredible wave of power and sound. That said the 2.0T is no slouch and with a piggy back ECU you’ll have a sub 5 second car all day.
Top notch assessment as always
5 people in comfort in a 3 door coupe ??😀
I see Giulia QV content I click like!
Most people aren’t race car drivers.
Audi is a great car for those who are not professional drivers.
Makes sense it is quicker.
Quattro grip coming out of those corners helps.
To say Audi RS5 is rubbish is simply silly.
RS5 gets great reviews from professional car reviewers including this one.
Yet to see a bad one.
I would have never guessed the final result!
I would. Difficult comparing a 4WD system on a track against a RWD car. The 4WD car is almost always likely to be quicker given its advantages in the corners in maintaining grip and a bit extra speed. Would still have the Alfa over the Audi any day. I have a Giulia Veloce currently and it was that or an Audi S4 and the Alfa was miles better to drive. The Audi was pretty safe and boring even in race mode.
@@sx200n1 yeah, maybe if we're talking BMW awd systems, perhaps.. but Audi was ways known for understeering, so this was a total surprise for me. I would also have the Alfa, no doubt, but this video made me respect Audi more.
Audi awd? 4x4 vs 4x2 ?
Ever since I bought the audi 2007 a4 I fell in love with audi handling. It's great
Driving normally every day, you can have fun with Alfa on 50km/h, don't have to push it 150km/h.. even much cheaper 2.0T!
Alfa all day long.
What mode did he drive the Alfa? Does the 4door Audi have a longer wheelbase than the 2door?
Another paid by Audi advert….
Nope. Depending on the conditions the RS5 crushes the Giulia.
How can you compare a 4 wheel drive to a rear one?
How can't you? They're both cars
Not a sedan fan but the Alfa looks GREAT. I’d still take the Audi, but I think it’s overpriced. I admire both, but they’re not entirely my cup of tea.
Prise my Quad out of cold dead hands, love it.........ex BMW man :)
The QV worked. They won their race. Then forgot it, driver got killed, so The white Square became a triangle. As a reviewer, you should know this
Only dream car , first was a 1 series now this . Hope i have 50k to slap on this in the future 😯
What does “…that diff is soft…” mean?
I didn't understand the meaning of soft diff in the Alfa. Can somebody explain?
Not locking up fully so instead of transferring torque fully to outside inside still spins a bit.
@@jerehada Ok i see. Thanks a lot. The same happens with my Rx8
It’s really not hard lol- the Alfa. No contest.
I love my audis but the alfla seens like a very unique car.
Alfa❤.
Give me the Alfa any day
Alfa for me all the way. But I'm biased as a long-term Alfa owner.
And yet it is the Alfa (not the Audi) that got the lap record at the Nurburgring.
I agree. The driver can make all the difference in the world. Alfa set the record at Nurburgring, the most grueling race track on the planet which makes this one look like a walk in the park by comparison.
Track looked damp in the Alfa lap. Surprised that the RS5 was quicker but if the track was damp for both laps then Audi would have an advantage.
Driving skill matters and this guy flat out admits he's scared of The QV.. cannot make a comparison with an rs5 designed for a low skilled driver verses The QV that demands driving skill.
@@delweineyou might want to read up on who the host is before making a fool out of yourself
@@THjorth I can care less. dude is around 70 and admits he is scared to drive the alfa. Just because someone once was a great driver does not preclude age eroding their reaction time and driving skill level - this is why pro athletes obviously retire.
@@delweine This comment is laughable. What utter nonsense.
Track was very clearly dry
You can’t leave it there.
Which model would you have
Where are these 0-60's coming from? The alps??
And for an extra £500.00 you can get a celtic tune and your gulia is now 604bhp
I know
I've got one 🎉
And you can't get the Audi tuned at all, right ?
@neilmcmahon not for £500.00 you cant
Yes agreed think it’s great value I’ve got mine booked in for next week including exhaust flap opening in D & start/stop delete.
Have you noticed a big difference in performance with the extra 100 bhp ?
I’m also running PS4S’s which should also improve the traction over the original Corsa’s .
@@darryllongley4025 How much do you think it costs to tune the Audi?
@@neilmcmahon enlighten us
Completely bone stock they might be close, but with better tires and some neg camber the Alfa would be much faster.
And of course, drop dead gorgeous
This is, those times are bloody quick around Combe on std tyres. Plato can drive for sure.
Jason sounding like Al Pacino
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I'll take the Audi in Avant form. For four-door form, the Alfa all the way.
Soooo many butrhurt broke teenager Alfie fanatics in these comments. I've had two GQ's and LOVE them both, just traded in my former for the 23' RS5 (no comp) and they're just not close to close.
Both look great but I prefer the Audi. Audi definitely quicker, far better handling.
QV has two advantages and two only, sound and acceleration at 80+
Awesome video Jason, I have the RS5 and absolutely love it but I've been eyeing that Alfa for a while; this makes my decision ever harder on what to do once my lease is up. I love everything about that Alfa except the RWD, really wish they would make the Quadrifoglio in AWD but I know that will never happen. If I make the switch I have to live with the fact that I'm moving to a slower car. I've actually pulled a 0-60 time in my RS5 at 3.2 and that's stock! For the Alfa to pull of a 3.9 you'll need some really good soft grippy tires, so hard to get grip off the line with that car. Thanks for the vid!
Who cares about 0-60 times? If u want 0-60 buy an Audi etron. I love the fact that it’s rwd, it makes the car lighter and opens up the steering. + rwd cars will always drive more lively
@@nikomoin7604 0-60 not so much but doing a nice quarter mile run is fun. Don't get me wrong I love the Alfa and I'm still strongly considering it. Another reason I wish it had AWD is my location has some pretty tough winters so RWD is not ideal as a daily driver.
You don't drive numbers on a piece of paper you drive the car. Go drive a QV and you will not be thinking you are "moving to a slower car". It feels noticeably quicker than an RS5. More power and less weight. In reality how often do you launch your RS5? Probably not much. in gear acceleration matters more. Then you get to the steering and chassis dynamics where the QV absolutely destroys the RS5. No comparison, the QV is for driving enthusiasts.
Stelvio QF?
0-60 is so meaningless. It’s the feeling Alfas provide that makes all the difference.
4WD against 2RWD it's not a true 1:1 comparision... Anyway, I'll take the Q, it's more beautiful, style is a matter of personality. Audi makes technically almost perfect driving machines... machines against pieces of art, that the difference for me. Both are very fast and nice cars.
You can’t beat German ! Sorry folks…. And Audi has had the A5/S5/RS5 models for a lot longer than you think - truly tested as one of the most anmzing cars. Audi any day of the week ! Audi are very specific when engineering these cars so it’s a personality thing. Although I have not driven the Alfa before, I’m a little curious.
I have a stelvio QV and have owned many cars nothing drives like my alfa NOTHING.
Brought to you by VW.
Please drop the beret! Especially when driving an Alfa!
I like the RS5 it´s a amazing car but, and a big but, Quadrifoglio all day!!
Geez I thought it was Jackie Steward
I keep rooting for Alfa...
How much vignetting do you actually need…????
You guys need to address this awful tearing in the video.
A racing driver should know that 4WD doesn’t mean more grip. It means more traction.
Maybe I should watch the rest of the video? 😂
Audi is probably better vehicle but Alfa is certainly better car.
Going to be an interesting watch, as an owner of the Alfa I will surprised if the Audi can hold a candle to the dynamics and enjoyment of the Alfa tho.......the Alfa is such a pleasant daily as well, which surprised me.
What??? Car and vehicle are two different meanings now?
wut
Audi - slightly better straight-line performance, better fuel economy, better tech, safer for average driver (quattro), better practicality, quieter cabin.
Alfa - better looks, better driving dynamics
@@tommyfreckmann6857 if you are a car guy you get what he is saying.
Lots of people like myself prefer the hatch back and AWD
So unless the alpha is AWD its not in a lot of peoples list.
Bring back Tiff
Why would they not compare the Alfa to the m3?