Enormous 120" Laser TV vs 97" OLED TV - biggest yet!
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0:00 Laser vs OLED
1:08 Important Considerations
1:58 Physical differences
2:58 Installation differences
4:26 Reflection/light control
5:09 HDMI Connections
5:44 WebOS 22 vs older 6.0
7:25 Magic Remote Controls
7:54 Picture Quality Comparisons
10:05 Where the OLED crushes
10:28 Gaming Quality
11:40 Upscaling/Motion on UST vs OLED
12:32 HDR major differences
13:01 Downsides to 97" OLED
14:52 Downsides to 120" UST Laser TV
15:35 Case to get 120" UST
16:23 Case for 97" OLED
16:56 97" G2 at full brightness 🌞
17:23 Jen's final take - Věda a technologie
As soon as the video started the OLED just shined through.
All projection TVs have to be used in a completely dark room.
Yeah, until you see the $25,000 price tag
@@paulmaul23 just by 55" if you are too poor to be megalomaniac
@@paulmaul23 even then in a bright room the oled would still look clearer
OLED will always be king if price is no issue. You really have to go above 150" to justify lazer and at that size 4k starts to show its limits. Interesting to see where the technology goes though. Hypothetically, Lazer is capable of 3D projection. I think it looks like a custom curved screen taking up an entire room wall with a few feet of projection stage in front of it
I appreciate you throwing out the price immediately. Saved me a lot of time lol
lol
Idk if anybody is paying that price for that tv, i'm really curious abt it.
Bought the CineBeam and I love it. A big thanks to "B The Installer" for the input And for Jen for putting up with all of this TV switch around nonsense that it takes to find the right unit. My wife has come to the same conclusion she likes "the one that's up on the wall...and don't switch it again,😈!"
I'm currently using the vivid storm 100" projector screen. Wondering which screen you ended up going with for the 120 on the wall?
This video would've made more sense if you'd compared the 83" OLED to the UST. The 83" LG G2 and the CineBeam both cost around 5k. No one is buying a TV for the cost of a car, so the size difference comparison is going to be 83 vs 120, not 97 vs 120.
Hey guys, great video. I was wondering: What sort of light effect will happen/will you get to see if you project TV image/video from the 120" Laser TV onto a 120" mirror
That OLED on the left had me sold right off the bat.
Congratulations, great work!
B... did you attempt pixel cleansing setting to fix the dirty screen effect? When I got mine, I was ready to send it back. It actually looked much worse than the one in your video. I ran the pixel cleanser, bam, fixed it perfectly.
With the UST, where do you put the center speaker?
And is there any fan noise coming from it?
Question, what are the power requirements for both TVs?
My intent is to put a big screen TV in a RV with the lowest possible power requirements. I'm assuming the laser projection TV will have a drastically lower power requirement, and not drain the batteries as much as the OLED TV would
Love the content as always. Thoughts on UST vs standard/long throw?
Nice review keep up the good work B the installer happy new year to you and your family
Happy New Year to you!
What is screen that you use with LG Cinebeam 915 projector? Thanks
What's your suggestion for an ALR screen for ultra short-throw projectors?
Burn in is a major deal breaker for me. I have a 75 Sony and this thing start to give image retention. I am thinking about the projector.
A friend i know has the cinebeam projector and it works excellent
Excellent video! Very informative.
Nice tv reviews. I just want to ask your thoughts on Samsung Serif 55in TV. Thanks and more power!
Hi There,
Please post details on the projector screen used in this video.
Thanks
Our 75" never gets used for movies because it pales in comparison to or 152" diag scope JVC LCOS projector . Small tvs even the 100" ones can't deliver the true cinematic experience.
But of course you need a dedicated room to get the most of projector otherwise, stick to tv
Happy new year to Jen and you
I just can’t do it. I love the size of projector screen combos but I gravitated back to led/OLED displays mainstream years ago and I haven’t looked back.
Especially now that I game more than I use to. The immersion of a 120” screen is jaw dropping at first but OLEDs simply smoke projectors. Especially now with HDR+ and Dolby Vision.
I’m building a new multi purpose mancave in a home I recently purchased. I left my projector and screen behind for the buyers. I don’t regret it one bit. I’m going with an 85” display hoping in the not too distant future that 100” screen will eventually get to or below 10k. That’s the limit I would spend on 100” OLED or LED display.
What is that TV stand the OLED is mounted to? I really like that it has wheels
Can you do a good wall paint job for the short-throw. I would like the TV to be invisble when off. Too bad you did not show it without screen with the lights turned off.
Awesome review man. Wow thanks for sharing. I’m sold. Bought a formovie ust with a 150 alr screen with a Bose 900 sound bar with dual subs and surrounds for under 12k. Your review was awesome. Clicked like and subscribed.
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I just purchased a WAOL 2500 UST projector and I am extremely happy with it. For under $5k with a screen included you can't go wrong and there are very few advantages (IMO) of OLED over UST. Unless you have thousands and thousands to spend and want 120" the UST is the only way to go. A benefit is the 20k+ hours laser is an advantage. A 5 year warranty on the OLED kind of says they don't think it will be around in 5 years.
Nice comparison. The most important factor here though is room size. For people with smaller rooms they would just get a 77" OLED, be very happy, and not waste their time thinking about projectors at all.
Most people with 'smaller rooms' would be happy with a 40" television.
Anything bigger is just pointless, and the only reason to have a bigger screen is to win a game of 'beat the neighbours'.
True; but when projecting to a smaller screen, the projection is brighter.
A 77 inch is waaay more affordable too compared to the 97.
@@kevincomerford2242 More affordable maybe, but is it really necessary other than to score points in the who's got the biggest screen' competition ?
The average house living room does not really require a screen bigger than 40", and in fact a smaller screen is perfectly big enough.
@@DjNikGnashers lol maybe for houses under 500k but houses above that have large living rooms
Great comparison guys. It appears that some of the shortcomings of the lazer tv is linked to the brand and model. What about using the Formovie lazer tv for the comparison?
Dude shortcomings of Laser projectors are inherent to all of them. BTW I have the Formovie laser TV and an LG OLED!!
@@doomtomb3 So which one do you prefer?
love your reviews
What tv stand is that with rolling wheels? I need to buy one
Missed the key item Screen What is the Screen or Screens that are the critical for Short Throw.
I don't like the color wheel blur effect you get with fast motion scenes on the short throw laser projector.
what program is running showing that airport?
18:14 great review, wifey made it plain and simple of which one compliments the family. Great job. Keep the reviews coming guys.
There is no difference in the picture after the light is off. And I will choose the projector. Right now i have XGIMI elfin and it's great.
You will NOT regret it! Also, look at the EPSON 5050ub projector. This laser one here is a kids toy! JVC and Panasonic alone have projectors that sell for $250,000! Oleds and these tiny tv's are a joke! Godzilla is measured in feet and yards....NOT in inches! ha ha You will LOVE your 200 inch plus home cinema screen!
one question with the Short Throws what are the rules with switching them on and off is the cool down warm up a thing still? Does it shorten life? AGAIN I still think environmentally, better to get behind projectors.
No they are Lazer light sourced. No effect at all.
It really depends. If you‘re using it with any ambient light on or if you‘re seriously gaming on it the OLED wins by miles. For the sole purpose of home cinema and sports in the evening or with proper blinds that you can close when watching the projector will do a great job for the money. 77“ OLED is still where the perfect value lies for bigger living rooms at the moment unfortunately, but in a few years those bigger 4K OLEDs should come down in price a lot.
A 97" OLED or even a 100" Sony or 98" Samsung are just too expensive. Projectors make the most sense. That being said, I just sold my Samsung USTP because the image was just not great (compared to OLED), so we went from a 120" to a 83" OLED. still big. You're totally correct about the ambient light, the ALR screen helps, but projectors just don't get bright enough in the day time. It's watchable, but looks washed out and just not that good int he day, at night time you get used to the birghtness or lack thereof. We are all so spoiled now with OLED.
I would wait on the 150" LG G5. Just start saving today,
I would choose a Formovie UST projector. It will cast to 150" and will display in HDR and Dolby Vision. The longevity of the light source in the UST triple laser projector will outlast the OLED by far. I'd pair the projector with an ALR screen for better daytime viewing but everyone knows that a light controlled room is where projectors really perform best. From looking at this video, the projector could be calibrated to achieve more accurate color representation and get very close to the OLED in full range only losing its edge to deep blacks. However, the pros for the UST outweighs the OLED for me. Ability to cast to 150", no glare or reflections on a screen, no worry about the screen getting hit and cracked and be completely useless, more of a theater like experience and finally cost. Depending on your ALR screen choice, you could buy up to 5 full UST projectors and screens for the price of this one OLED. Don't get me wrong, I think it is an awesome TV, but I still prefer a good UST setup over the OLED especially in a dark environment.
I fell into the "HUGE" TV a while ago, Optoma DLP, yes a 139" screen is awesome.... but after seeing smaller OLED TV's and trying to see what the hell is going on in dark scenes with the projector, I went back to TV just to be able to see stuff clearer / in darker scenes... I know they are getting better, Laser vs arc light, LED, etc.... Sticking with TV for now.... Great Video!
Both have their uses. The problem with the current DLP generation is very poor black level performance, the 4K Optoma's have contrast as low as 500:1 and no higher than 1200:1, just awful.. Some other manufactures like BenQ can hit closer to 2000:1 but still not good enough for movies. These are like LCD's from 15+ years ago.
Room treatment is also very important for projectors. ALR screens perform better compared to white screens with light walls but still can benefit from dark walls. A white screen with light walls is a big no no with a projector as light will bounce all over the place and wash out the image.
Laser DLP projectors like this one are better at 1500:1 to 3000:1 due to the way the screen rejects light but they really will not perform as well as a decent dedicated HT projector in a dedicated room. I personally have a 65" C2 in the living room and an Epson 6050UB (around 6000:1) with a 120" screen in my theater and velvet curtains on each side.
The C2 undoubtedly has better overall image quality but the Epson is not that far behind in most cases and at 120" it's just a different experience, I much prefer it for movies. Calibration is also very important, I bought an XRite i1 Display Pro and calibrated all my displays in the house, makes the experience much more consistent.
It depends. Strange, because I have the Optoma HD144X, and I clearly see the dark scenes. Of course you need to turn off the light to get the best image, if you prefer watching anything with all lights on, then TV is better for you. I could not go back to the "small" and expensive TVs, after getting used to the huge image. In my opinion projectors are much more natural, since you watch a projected image like in real life, much less digital, and the colors are usually much better calibrated for the cinematic experience. 4K oled can look awesome, but it is just too artificial, like watching a phone screen. If you are not into cinema, just consuming youtube and other stuffs, games, then a TV is probably better choice, but for cinema, a TV cannot compete with a projector experience wise.
Optoma is a toy. Try a JVC instead but of course that's for dedicated room.
Our 75" OLED is never used for movies as it pales compared to the experience of 152" diag scope screen
@@shaolin95 Optoma is toy lol. Please make a video comparison then and upload it, let's see. You talk like a snob who judge by brand name. Optoma is one of the best projector manufaturers. The build quality might be cheap, but what they are capable of, is pretty impressive especially for the price. Very bright, contrast is pretty good, the color accuracy is excellent, the sharpness, the image quality is just very nice. It has 3D capability, the controller is backlit, many useful things in the menu, and overall you just get a very nice pacakge, a device which knows everything you need. So what is your problem exactly with Optoma beside the cheap plastic material they use for the covers?
Think ceiling mount for UST makes a lot of sense.
That 97" OLED is superb but if you can live with a slightly smaller screen size then you can save quite a bit or money, which will buy you a nice PC and a sound system to go with it. If you move your sofa a foot or 2 closer you will most likely not even notice the difference. (It is very nice, though !)
I don't know man. You can strap a phone to your face and it will not be as immersive as watching a big screen from a proportionate distance. For the past 2 years I have been viewing a 127 inch screen from ~12feet. I don't think sitting 6-7 feet from a 65 inch TV is the same thing. In projector communities, 100inch barely cutting it. That said if picture quality is the be all and end all for you, yes, there is no debate here. Get a nice 55-65inch OLED and be done with it.
Front projector for the win, until we can get a 120"-150" TV under $10k. At that point the projector market will be done.
hey dude, i thought measuring flat screens were across horizonal edge to edge... the old CRTs were diagonal. or am i wrong here. dang
I don’t know if someone already comment on the CZcams TV thing for the UST projector but you can watch CZcams TV through the CZcams app. That’s how I watch it on my projector.
Yo B! You GOTTA tell us if you prefer the 97” G2 or 88” Z2!
Nice video. I hope you try some more short throw projectors.
can mini led looks like your watching 4k movies on 27 inch utrasharp pc monitor?
I could never do a projector sure they have gotten better but no, I’d always choose the TV
It is incredible that the oled does such a good job that the image looks edited.
Thanks B! I owned the Samsung USTP and sold it! OLED destroys any projector!
Well done you two! An issue I am considering as well, but I think a Sony long throw is still in the mix for my dedicated media room. BTW: That particular LG UST won the December 2022 Value Electronics UST shootout?! For what a UST is in a darkened room, it’s quite impressive! Congrats LG on both counts. As for my 2020 LG CX, I am approaching 7500 hours and no glitches . . . yet. It’s replacement for my living room, at some point in the future, will be an LG 77 inch and by then the cost will have come down even more. So far, a $1000 CDN since 2020.
When the lights are off the UST is a great picture and great bang for buck.
Is that a Fresnel screen?
Great Vid! Thx
Just gonna say, I fux with the white Crocs 😂👌
Nice content as always
I have the 98" samsung qled after debating over waiting for the lg 97" oled this past year as I love their oled tvs. thought I would ultimately regret it, but for 10k cheaper I am so glad I went with the qled. I can barely tell the difference most times, and most casual viewers probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.
Chandler. I'm about to purchase one, any way you wouldn't mind dropping some pros and cons for me? Much appreciated pal!
Happy new year B, to you and your family! Thanks for these great vids!
Happy New Year!
Just think in a few short months you will be reviewing the 2023 TVs and the delivery drivers will be booking there days off on the delivery days
I think comparing that to the AWOL 3500 or formovie theatre would be a better test as they are both better then the LG the AWOL also has the huge lumens of 3500 which might match the brightness of the OLED if tested
That LG is 3700 lumens so it's actually brighter than the AWOL
Hello, where Is calibration laser projector???
Great content as always if someone wants to use a soundbar with the projector how does that work?
Connect soundbar to projector
@@gsmith59 Sorry what mean is we're do you place the soundbar ,the short throw projector and soundbar occupie the same spot.
@@michaelfoster3441 That's a better question. I won't go with soundbar at all . It won't match good with any projector . Better to even go with some affordable 500 dollars reciever and offten you can find some Klipsch speakers on sale
Got to admit, i prefer that ust image more time than not over the oled. The new Awol usts are incredible and half the price of that Lg
Hello this question is unrelated to this video. I’ve just started watching your channel I’m doing research on a new TV. I’m a Sony guys it’s never let me down. I currently have a Sony 42 inch LCD that’s 22 years old that I’m looking to replace . I’ve been watching the channel I’m looking at The A90J. My equipment is old but still works. I can give you all the models numbers if need. I’m currently not looking to buy new speakers and a new receiver. I just wanna make sure all my equipment will work with this TV. Thank you so much.
I was going to get the G2, but after seeing no base.....at that price I got the s95b and could not be happier (firmware 1304). I refuse to pay for a tv that makes me buy a base separately. I absolutely love the tv. It is my first oled and I can't get enough. One of my monitors comes close to the experience (neo g7) but the pop and colors of the s95b are just too good. Yes I get hanging a tv looks better, but I hate that there is no room after you hang it behind the tv and I hate the idea of having to route all those cables right now.
I was in the same position -I rent , but I am also building the new apartment. got the s95b because of the stand. Too much hassle to put the displayon the wall for just several months.
Bought a glass stand from Amazon for $40 go for Like new it’s basically new just opened. And you save half off
Thanks for this comparison. Personally speaking, I'm actually feeling grateful that I live in a small house where it would be impossible to install a 97" OLED TV or a 120" projector screen, which frees me from the dilemma of needing to decide between the two(!) Seriously, in my modest-sized living room the largest display I'm able to install that still allows me to situate my home theater loudspeaker system properly is a 55" panel. I'm completely happy with those dimensions though, and I would have absolutely no problem spending $1650 for a 55" LG G2 OLED (or $1600 for a 55" Samsung S95B QD-OLED) which gives me a state-of-the-art TV that works in both a darker or brighter room. (Sometimes, I guess it's true that small really IS beautiful... )
Can you compare 75 inch tv with this 120 screen? I have a 75 inch and want to upgrade but i do not know if 120 will be big enough. If the jump in 45 inch is big enough.
I upgraded my old 52" TV to a newer 75". It made a HUGE difference. I would not consider an upgrade of less than 50% screen size worthwhile (120" is 60% bigger than 75"). When the price of120" TV's (not projectors) comes down to $5K, i will upgrade again.
thx for comparison.
projector for example fengmi v10 -1000$. and you have 100"
It will nice if you guys get Epson ls800. It's 4000 lumens should give TVs a good run for their money in terms of brightness. Definitely will not complete with OLED black levels or contrast.but then it's only $3500.
Bring in the 77 inch Samsung S95C and compare it with the 97 inch G2 at full brightness.
Oled the winner for me! 👍
I will save for it and buy it over 25 years
Once you measure your screens in feet instead of inches...you will NEVER go back! Been a projector only guy since my teens.
Happy New Year.
The cinebeam only good for a theatre room, but if i want a theatre room, then i just choose the much bigger option, normal projector.
I have an sony a80k 77 oled that has dirty screen effect in low grey scenes....at first I tried to ignore it but now it is all I see....next purchase will be a ust with a companion alr screen. Sony might have great processing ....but you have to play the panel display lottery....dirty screen effect is more apparent with larger displays ...Some people like me lose....I've had it for 6 months and i think i might sell it in the future and replace it with ust 8k projector.
Fantastic video comparison, Brandon and Jen!..When will a 97" OLED settle down to a more realistic price of $5K?
Probably never maybe down to sat 15k but definitely not five
When 150-inch TVs exist and 97-inch is considered small. Then everyone is just gonna want the 150-inch TVs to drop in price.
Wanna bet? I say less than 3 years
Yeah I’d say 3-5 years, 65” OLEDs were $15k not that long ago. I was surprised the 83” launched at $5k, I was expecting that to be $8-10k so prices are coming down with competition going up.
10k at the least I guess. The Q90A 85 in now only $2200. I remember when it was $4000. I'd swear I'd go all out and buy a 97" for 10k 🤣🤣
Why does the LG have a green tint?
I move from a 100" Laser TV to 85" QLED. Laser TV only 60hz, high Inputlag, bad at daylight, No Dolby Vision and resolution is Fake 4K. So i go to 85" 120Hz Free Sync Premium QLED. Also i have a 65" OLED. Like to play at both, of course not at same tine. (:
Have a blast at CES Brandon
Get the 65" LG Oled. Best picture quality and size for 4k
THANKS Y'ALL!!!!
One more thing not mentioned, or I missed it, but a reflected image is much easier on the eye, and much more natural, since this is how you see the world in real life too, not direct light in your face, like with led, oled, whatever tvs... basically I can watch projected screen all day without issue. The colors are also much better calibrated and much more natural on good projectors, since they are designed for cinema. And the portability, the projector you just put in your bag and ready to go. The screen is good to have, but not a must, at least I am totally fine with the white wall with my DLP projector. Maybe it is different for short throw laser projectors, since the projection angle is different too, but for normal projectors, based on my experience, the screen does not make any difference, or just barely any, so not worth the investment if you have a straight white wall, then you can just black tape the edges. And the size... that extra 20 inch can mean a lot when you watch movies, it is just much more immersive.
You can get an ambient light rejecting screen and it’ll help with overhead lighting not washing out the image
I recently changed my mind about projectors. I believe a middle class family can afford a 55" to 65" tv and a mid tier projector in a home. Because of my baby and the pandemic i don't get to go to the theaters anymore. I used to watch in cinemas weekly. Having a projector and streaming content including new and recent movies available is a game changer for me. Anyway, good review!
OLED wins every time but 25 grand is ridiculous!. Having a 83"c1 I want to go to a 100" screen but looks like the Laser TV's are the way to go because of the price. The Hisense L9H for this year might be it ... I wish the 97" Oleds were like 6 grand then I would consider one ...
I wish you had covered how much heat each one produces or how much electricity each uses to get an idea of how much heat they produce.
Ya super... Do you have a demo of a optoma projector!?!?!!!!!!!!
AWEsome, i hav a LG Slim UST and i love it. But these new versions coming out are so BIG & wide. i guess for the speakers they put in them. But why! The object is to hav a system to go with the screen. No matter how good the sound is. It's still like watch a screen with TV speakers. But i guess its for Ppl who dt have the room for speakers....
Great video, one question, can the projector run 1440p at 120hz?
Why would you want to? Serious question.
@@cooldaddyslick6869 Resolution is not that important if you are 3 meters or more away, you just can't see the pixels. I use a 100" 1080p projected image and can't see them, but FPS you definitively can notice. Since it wont do 4K 120hz, the next best thing would be 2K 120hz for gaming.
@@airixxxx Actually HDMI 2.0B is capable of 4K 120 but you can't do HDR at the same time. At least on a PC. Can't speak on a console.
@@cooldaddyslick6869 The new consoles are HDMI 2.1 can do 4k 120 HDR, but so can any GPU that is RTX 3000 or newer.
which ust is 5000 lumen or higher
Does the projector have 3d? Is a smaller color palette much worse than OLED? The lack of youtube is unacceptable. So I would wait for them to add it.
The G2 is just old with the new G3 in april ;)
Even with OLED out the equation, projectors are still missing some or all the features or HDMI 2.1
That lg oled against a jvc beamer 👌
just move that projector bit further then 150", you have huge wall
you should also mention how oled has great viewing angles, so if a lot of people are sitting around the tv their view won’t be affected if they are sitting at an angle to the side of the tv
No different than a ust. People can sit anywhere with the same picture.
Tvs will usually be outdated in 4-5 years max. What you're gonna do eith your 120 inch TV? Give it to goodwill?
The right screen, can enhance any projector
If want a slick look on the wall an can find someone with a skill, you can have the wall painted.
the difference is in the saturation only. the color in the laser probably needs a black reflective material to saturate those colors
Only saturation?!?!!! I can see by your profile pic you wear glasses 🤓, time to go see the optometrist for stronger prescription ……..
Hopefully you're going to CES Jan 5th💯