Huge Easy Brake Upgrade How To FZ09 MT09 FZ07 Tracer XSR
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- Huge Easy Brake Upgrade How-To FZ09 MT09 FZ07 Tracer XSR - This is an easy inexpensive upgrade that absolutely everyone with lower-tier stock pads should do immediately. Not only for dramatically better performance all-around but for safety. This takes you from adequate-at-best braking to two-finger stoppie power, no joke. If you have not experienced great brakes you may think what you have is great - trust me, it's not, you have no idea what you are missing. Linked below is the best deal on these front pads that I found, YOU NEED TWO SETS - one for each front caliper. I had no need to touch the rear, the stock pads there already overpower the rear wheel with ease, it's fine.
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Just followed your advice re HH sintered pads at the same point as fitting braided brake hoses. Incredible difference, thanks
Your videos are so helpful. First the rear brake resevoir, now this one. Just bought those EBC pads, and a Galfer braided steel front brake line. Excited to try this myself
Yesterday I avoided a accident, the improvement from brake pads saved me!!!
Doing my first stoppie to avoid impacting side of a car that pulled out in front of me. Thanks so much for posting this video!
A short time after watching I purchased Double H Sintered pads.
Quick install on my 2016 FZ09, pleased with results to say the least!
Stock pads will do an endo too.. no need for new pads.. comming from an a brand new gsxr 600 to fz09 so ive “experienced” better brakes.
Finally swapped my front brakes in my 19 Tracer for the EBC’s… Huge difference.. Much better. After they broke in I felt my ABS kick in for the first time since I bought it new in 20. Great advise, happy I did it and excellent video…Thanks.
I just completed this mod on my 2015 FJ-09 today! I've only put on about 3 miles but I already noticed a difference. Thanks for your help and tutorials, your awesome.
Glad to help and I love seeing all the feedback coming in :)
A great video as always, thanks for the content and pad recommendation! Just thought I'd mention for others reading comments that I did the job without removing the calipers. Removing them is easy, but it's one less step and was super-easy with calipers in place. Same method, pads slide straight in from the top. My bike has 10,000 km on the clock, pads were mildly worn. Apologies if this has been written elsewhere. Rainy day here in Perth, want to break the new pads in!
I'm such a dumb Neanderthal, I would never think of putting protection on my paint. I ended up scratching my swingarm paint installing the Stoltech rear reservoir relocation bracket when wrenching on the back nuts. Didn't take much to leave a scratch. Appreciate all your content, I have a "17 same color as yours.
Just recently did this too, installed some Brembo sinters.
Should've done this when I got it form the dealer, what a night and day difference
thanks Brian. just did this about 3 hours ago. What an amazing difference. One finger pulls to stop. My FJ 09 thanks you😎👍
+Matthew Carpenter nice :)
Holy crap! I've been watching your cigar videos since 2011. I just bought a FZ07 after not riding for over 25 years and, lo and behold, I see you have videos on motorcycles, too.
I’m gonna do this to my 19 Tracer. I’m not very happy with the stock brakes. I used your video for installing the quick shifter. Your video was the best on CZcams. Was a big help. I love that quick shifter and now can’t live without it. I think I’ll feel the same way about the brake upgrade… Thanks
How did you feel about your quickshifter when you first try it? Was it smooth or kinda clunky? I have the same bike you have and just installed quickshifter as well.
Great reminder to upgrade the front brakes. I have a V-Strom and have noticed the mediocre front brakes. Front pads are now on my list
Thank you. I will be upgrading my brakes tomorrow. Great video.
Right on again. My Ducati monster 796 surprised me when I first got it. Very powerful brakes, my rear brake was useless as the rear wheel was always up or floating. It just needs two fingers for standard braking.
Great advert, purchased thank you! Looking forward to going faster now!
Thank you for sharing this. Just ordered new pads for the Tracer and Versys.
I bought this pads and i was too lazy to install them myself but when i serviced my MT09 i gave the mechanic to change it for me.... I've been riding for 8,500km or 5300 miles and i love them... much better than stock and i LOVE the power the way i can quickly reduce the speed so drastically
I highly recommend
Good video, thanks. I'm used to riding an S1000RR and it has terrific front brakes. Two weeks ago, I bought a black 2018 MT09 as a second bike. Initially with only 3 miles on the bike when I did my test ride, the front brakes' initial bite felt pretty weak compared to what I'm used to on the BMW. I now have about 330 miles on the MT09 and have been riding it a lot in our local twisty canyons. After about 100 miles, I remember saying to my wife that the front brakes feel really good now that they are bedded in. Bedding in made a huge difference. I brake with one finger and have no trouble stopping with the stock brake pads. And I rarely if ever use the rear brake. But I'm lighter than you at about 195 pounds. So maybe that's the reason the stock pads work for me. In any event, I am happy for now. I may very well install the EBC sintered brake pads when it is time to change out these stock pads. Thanks again for your videos on this bike. They have really been helpful for me. My next project is to install Pazzo adjustable shorty levers. Then the quick shifter...
Yes bedding makes a big difference but mine were long before the switch. The sintered are day and night.
Just installed mine a few days ago, and holy crap the new pads did make a HUGE difference, thank you for making this video and thank you for making me spend more money, I did the ECU re-flash and the brakes now, I wonder what is next on the list you gonna convince me to do, haha!
LOL welcome!
Great video! Safety is paramount to me, so upgrading my brakes for like $40 is a great idea.
I have got XSR 900, and the only one thing i don't like in this bike are the brakes. Your video is very important for me, thanx a lot!
Those two revs in the garage sounded sweet!!
Great video just got a 2018 sp will be having a go at this thanks
Your bike looks great! Really enjoying these videos, i plan to get a FZ09 to replace my 02 R6. I love the sport bike feel in the corners but gets tiresome on long hauls.
I have been using EBC brakes for years. Only brakes I use and trust
Woow looks very dramatic even pulling a stoppie with much heavier bike!! I ride a '22 Tracer 7 and done a couple of advanced riding schools where they teach you to do emergency braking from 55mph, I always traveled the most distance of the group, never engaged the ABS and squeezed the brakes with 4 fingers as hard as I could! This is a no brainer and gonna put some on ASAP!!
Just did this last night and it does make a huge difference! Pretty easy too do even for my first time doing a brake change.
Awesome!
Watched and bought - thanks mate!!
thanks Bryan,I didn't know about double H brakes I'm going to try them my suzuki c109rt doesn't stop that well ...best regards. ..ron
Set of stainless braided lines and a thorough purge/bleed would also make a world of difference. That, and higher spring rates, better compression damping in the forks.
Thanks for the video. I love the series of videos you've done on the FZ 09. I am planning to buy a '17 later this summer and your video makes me even more excited!
the old pads looked like they had oil on them, that's probably why they didn't work so well
+Rocky Butler uh, no.
my fz 09 does stopies all day long on the stock pads!
+Rocky Butler I'm betting you aren't fat like me lol
Great video as usual. My stopping power is way better.
Looks promising and i just LOVE watching your videos thank you!
I ordered the pads will get them in 2 weeks, i have almost 10k miles on my MT09 do you think i should change the fluid as well?
Helpful video as usual.
so i was watching this video and i noticed green key road. when i started watching your videos i swore i have seen you somewhere. i used to work at friendly kia as a tech and i have worked on your souls lol. so anytime you want to ride im not far from you and i have a 16 fz-09
Excellent video
Hey. I really enjoy your motorcycle knowledge! Watching your videos make working on my Yamaha XSR 900 so much easier! Thank you. I am going to install Spiegler Stainless Steel Brake Lines for the front and rear. Quick question... What size tool did you use to remove the front wheel orange reflectors? Its a small nut and screw. Any advise on getting that off the wheel?
I really like your channel.
idk about the tripple family but the fz-07 is fine and doesn't take much to send you OTB
So competent very practical
if ur just doing a pad swap... you dont even need to pull the caliper.
just pull the pin. its top loading.
was just thinking the same thing.
that only works if youre old brake pad is the same width as your new pad, otherwise itll be a tight fit since the caliper is pressing against the rotor and you need to push it back - easier when it's off.
roundingcorners
No. Pads are usually bigger going on. Use a compressor. Screw driver anything n compress gently.
@@Me-yh4uc screw driver works fine. Gently.
No need to fully remove indeed.
This guy shouldn't be making videos on stuff he clearly knows little about . No mention of watching the reservoir levels when compressing the pistons to accept new brake pads. NEVER EVER EVER use a G clamp to force pistons back There's no "feel" due to the mechanical advantage and you could easily damage the seals / dust covers. Just use the old brake pads as a lever to force back the pistons.
Classic>> i own the bike and have the manual, so i must be right.
Thank you bro, not everyone tells you to pump your brakes.
Why did you go for the Double-H and not the EPFA?
can also do it on the FJR1300? :D want to know where is the ABS sensor
Good stuff
Great pads
My brakes on my MT 09 2017 sometimes make a clunk noise when braking. I have installed these pads and the clunking was there before. It came after adjusting the front suspension to tightest spot. Works great though and no issues. But it's there sometimes and I dont like it. Any tips?
Question, I noticed the ebc pads don’t have the split in the pad. Does it matter? I thought it’s for the pistons or something
And for even better braking get a set of the EBC EPFA pads.
Also what is is your careerfor work your bike maintenance is very clinical and top notch
My tracer failed its mot on pulsating discs,it was cheaper to buy galfer discs than yamaha ones,the difference even still on yamaha pads was very noticeable i had to backboff the adjustment on lever.
Not sure if you still know much about this bike. I have the Tracer GT. I have dialed in the preload in the front all the way and still getting 45mm. I have the back to 35 3 clicks put on the preload adjuster. I only weigh 85kg. It seems a bit long for being all the way in. Do you think I need harder springs? Thanks.
Difference in this case is GG vs HH (organic vs sintered). On motorcycles that comes with hh pads from the Manufacturer, difference is smaller, if any (in both directins: for worse or better, but for road use, not that much of a difference). My OEM pads for front wheel (Nissin HH) are 3x more expensive than EBC HH, so no brainer, and braking efficiency and durability are more or less the same
Your a hooligan now
Did you do both sides on the front? The left pads and right?
Thumbs up.
Thanks.
Thanks for the great review sir. Just one question please, did you choose the ones for the road or racing?
+stephen spiteri the ones in the description.
Does a 2020 Tracer need this upgrade or has Yamaha upgraded the stock pads?
Excellent video TWO, always top quality content. You mentioned FJR brakes superior, what is your thought on the fjr1300 brake pads vs the EBC's pads as replacement. OEM or EBC for FJR1300?
The stock pads on the FJR are more than enough for me, I have no need for change at all.
Hey man, great video! How do you have you camera and mic set up on your helmet. The view of the camera and sound of your mic is superb!
+Mat S FAQ in desc
Thanks for making this video! I didn't know it was that easy to change them out. Would I need to buy 2 sets or just 1 order comes with both sides of the front break? I apologize in advance if this is a stupid question.
+clubtc05 2
Great information, going to order these pads soon for my XSR. Do you have any personal recommendations for the rear brake? I'm also thinking of doing a line upgrade to braided lines, however I feel the ABS will negate the positive effects of the harder braking. What do you think?
Thanks!
The rear already locks up easily and I find no need for braided. Feel is very good stock.
I have an XSR900. The ABS kicks in too early. I find it obtrusive (it sounds like the MT09/FZ09 is the same)!
The only concern with fitting high quality sintered pads to a bike which has oem rotors is the potential to warp the rotors under heavy use. Not suggesting that this is the case with Yamaha, other manufacturers, or particular models, but there's a reason top drawer sports bikes have top drawer rotors with pads specced to suit. Material composition and thickness affect heat dissipation, fade etc. It's a factor you need to weight up in terms of braking performance versus longevity of parts. Personally, I would never skimp on braking, so accept the additional cost.
Could save your bacon in an emergency.Excellent advice Bryan.
Do you plan on doing steel braided lines? I've thought about doing them on my MT 07 when I need a brake job
+DA2THFA1RY nope they are perfect now
Sold me on new pads and im just at 152 miles on my bike! Aha,not a big fan of the stock brake feel.
These calipers are very similar to how Brembos work on a car, the pads kind of just slide out so you dont have to remove the caliper. ALthouogh I would remove them anyway just to clean and observe for damage.
Wait... so you don't have to bleed the brake lines when changing pads??? I have a 2014 fz-09. Thanks.
+KingPoC no
Brian, great video. I traded my FJR yesterday for a 2017 FJ 09 and this will be my first mod - already ordered the new pads. Could you explain how you separated the calipers? Many, many thanks for all your help!
With the c-clamp. Put one of the old pads in, compress one of the pistons all the way to make room.
Wonderful - I hadn't thought of using the old pad.
have you thought about upgrading to stainless brake lines? I installed stainless lines on my last bike and it was pretty easy and was about 100 bucks for the front which I didn't think was that bad. I see your FZ has ABS, which may complicate it though
I have in the past mostly for looks. I have zero need with this setup, the feel is excellent.
Install some braided SS brake lines for the full upgrade.
No need here
Another video showing the hard way to replace pads! Just get some Vesrah VD-248 pads and install from the rear, don't remove the calipers. It's 2019 for gosh darn sakes. Much better than EBC.
I just ordered 2 sets for my front. How did you think the rotors will hold up vs. Stock? Do you think the end will chew them up quicker?
Non-issue, they are no where near that aggressive.
Pads and rotors are wear items. Expect to replace either if you own a bike long enough. The main concern is great breaking response, power, and feedback.
I literally was looking for someone to show me that half my brakes were not missing hahaha. Why do the brake calipers look like it's got it's cover missing over the shims.
Do you need to upgrade both discs or just one
Both
Stock pads on FZ07 suck.
I remember the first time I put double h sintered pads on my FZ6. Dramatic improvement.
what up pimp?
Did you change the rear pads too?
No need
10:35 no way he made it between those mirrors..
HI everyone, this may sound dumb, but can I use the same pads on the rear caliper as well? Different pads needed?
Different pads, but no need.
Appreciate the response!
How are the brake pads now, almost three years later? Also how is the rotor?
Thanks
Like new
HH pads do not eat rotors like some people say. I think the people who say that must have screwed something up. Lol..
Hmm, now that you've been riding these new brakes for awhile. Are you getting any vibrations while braking? I'm only asking because I know when you replace pads on cars you generally want to resurface the rotors because they conform to the older pads. Just seeing if the same logic applies to bikes
Bike rotors wear out much slower with stock pads than cars. These were virtually new when I changed them. They are perfect.
TwoWheelObsession So I'm guessing if you had put more miles the rotors than that would be the case then?
You’re talking 50k miles or more. Non issue.
TwoWheelObsession awesome, we have the same 2017, red fz09 btw and I normally work on cars but I'm slowly trying figure out how to work on my bike. So you're probably the best youtuber I can turn too. Thanks for the reply, have nice day
Amazon says these pads (following your link) don't fit the 2015 FJ-09. Do you think they're right? I don't think the brakes are different between these two bikes...
Critical Rider You need 2 sets. One set for each caliper.
+Critical Rider they are the same
Yes, I got that, thanks.
Thanks Bryan, that's what I thought!
Okay, we got confirmation 2 sets are needed and FJ and FZ brakes are the same. But the fact is, is this pad model meant for FZ09s? Amazon says otherwise. Anyone can confirm? and I have a '14, anybody know if any differences in the pads?
I wish if I had abs to do this without abs I will look up my tyre lol
By the way awesome video keep it up man
I don’t see the link to buy the pads.
+Speedbird it’s right in the description
Good video, thanks. Also not mentioned: it's desirable to blow out all the brake dust with an air source, as the calipers and old pads are usually covered in brake dust, at least on brakes that are well-worn, or high miles.
Never ever ever ever ever BLOW OUT BRAKE DUST! use brake cleaner only and a cloth.
I found the stock pads suck when wet
Slight dragging noise after replacing stock pads. Anyone else experience this?
You may have tightened your calibers slightly off. Loosen the mount bolts, hold the brake and snug them back then fully tighten - to better self center.
you need to clean your piston and either rubber grease them or lithium grease or you will end up with seized pistons.
as for the pads, never put pads in dry always copper grease on the back of the pad so that they dont seize to your piston rim and also helps with micromovements so they dont ever scream.
Are you talking about antisieze grease (copper grease)?
@@j-way1809 ya
Will this work on 2015 Yamaha FJ 09?
Yes
TwoWheelObsession
Thanks I love your videos keep them coming..
how Long does the New pads last?
+Alexander Hauge many tens of thousands of miles of normal riding.
TwoWheelObsession cool will order these thanks to your video. Saw on another post here you said that steel brake lines are not needed too. So this will be exciting. The stock brakes are too soft.
Just a simple comment. Often folks change their front pads to anything even the same brand model pads and all of a sudden wallah the brakes are better. Why? Because what they did is and especially if the bars were turned right is they got rid of an air bubble up at the banjo bolt next to the master cylinder when they had to compress the pistons back in to make room for new thicker pads. Been there, done that. Some of the newer bikes I've come across already had pads as good as the EBC HH, and I am a big fan of the HHs.
Not this issue whatsoever. This was a new bike and they are known to be crap pads.
@@TwoWheelObsession Understood, just wanted to inform as so many forget how common air in the line at that point is and how important it is to get rid of it is. The same issue with hydraulic clutches happens and sometimes you must do a reverse bleed to cure it on certain bikes based on how the lines are routed. Look up reverse bleed if not familiar.
spoiler alert,you dont need to remove the brake caliper,remove the pin,take the small rod out,wiggle them a bit with a flat screw driver,and pull the pads out
Spoiler alert, most people will need to spread the pistons, so yeah, you do. Thanks for the opinion.
no probs,didnt meant to sound offensive or a know it all,mind you,but spreading the pistons on this bike is very easy,as it is still new,and generally kept clean,also not enough time has passed yet so that there is excessive grime buildup to make the pistons seize(at least not so much that a brake cleaner cannot clean easily),you can use either a plastic spudger or even with your fingers if you are afraid of damaging the disc or the pistons,or the special tool that looks kinda like a clamper but reverse,but the whole point of this brake caliper is to change the pads without removing it.
the ABS sensor is very easy to damage,and most people dont have a torque wrench to put the caliper back in,or are accustomed to the force you need to tighten it,risking overtightening it,or not enough,both bad for the caliper,the nut and the seating.
ive changed countless pads on calipers like these,not only on axial mounted calipers,but on normal ones as well,where you dont have enough space to remove the caliper without removing the wheel together as well.
i find that way a lot easier and mess-free,as you dont really need any tools,except some hard plastic or a screwdriver covered in a cloth or ductape
friendly tip (and rant) from your average mechanic,peace out
I have big strong hands and still needed a c-clamp. Most bikes have the ability to remove the pads on the wheel, but having them off is the best way to go and always works.
I can't believe these pads don't fit my 2017 FJ09...i thought these were basically the same bike?
They do. You are probably doing something wrong. They use the same parts.
@@TwoWheelObsession its coming up on Amazon that the "part doesn't fit your vehicle"...but I'll order them and try anyway. Thanks B
I don't know why im watching this, I dont own a motorcycle... yet. MT 07 in the near future hopefully
These are over 100 bucks for my Concours 14! (front)
Ebc HH? No way. I do not believe it!
you should have your hazard lights on doing this because that looks like a 60 MPH road where people haul ass
Uh, try 35
TwoWheelObsession so you don't use your hazard lights when making random complete stops on a rural road? people do haul ass on these types of roads regardless of speed limit signs.
How does such a great guy own 2 kia souls...
I am here because my 16 fz09 locks up at low speeds. Want to make the lighter at low speeds.
The front brake stopping limitation for sport bikes like the FZ09 is when the rear wheel comes off the ground.
That is the limit for stopping distance on sport bikes. More aggressive pads don't change the stopping distance for once the rear wheel is in the air, aka stoppie, that's the braking limit. More aggressive pads just require less brake lever force.
LOL that's the limit of ANY bike ;) The point is, if it can't even reach that point, you still have more to go. Now I have all the braking possible.