Cheap vs Expensive Monitor - Same Specs Different Price
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- Is a cheap gaming monitor enough or should you rather buy a premium monitor instead? How do they compare for gaming and are there any differences in picture quality?
Both monitors (affiliate links):
🛒 MSI G273QF: geni.us/TwqjJJw
🛒 Acer XB273U NV: geni.us/m4eV
If you want to splurge:
🛒 AW2721D: geni.us/H6nS
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Recommended settings for the Acer XB273U NV:
Mode: User
Color Temp.: User
RGB 47-48-50
Gamma 2.2
Brightness: 28 (for ~140 nits)
Max Brightness: On
Default settings for the rest. I'd also recommend using this ICC profile:
bit.ly/XB273UNV-ICC
Index:
00:00 - But it’s 5 Hz more!
00:52 - The Candidates
01:58 - More Features?
03:53 - Better Panel?
05:00 - Faster Panel?
06:34 - Better Image Quality?
07:51 - More Contrast?
08:35 - Worth it or not? - Věda a technologie
Really underrated channel. Not only for its content (rare to find in depth monitor reviews) but also for the quality of the vids themselves (video, audio, etc).
Yes ! he hellped me chose my monitor :)
Whenever I need to check out what monitor is worth in the price range of myself or anyone around me I check this channel. It's done incredibly well. Very informative and I really like that he actually tests a lot of different things others don't. I got the MSI OPTIX G241 because it had a very high contrast with decent ghosting for an IPS monitor that runs on 144hz which I can use with Nvidia G-Sync. My GTX 1080 pairs well with 1080p and a high refreshrate and I'm really happy with the screen quality.
Who cares about the audio. In my Minecraft: Java Edition videos (which are taken on my phone) I *CANT* have any audio, unless it is bad audio with people talking in the backround.
Cuz my phone doesn't have Android 10 or newer.
@@therealloganyt237 👶🏻
The MSI monitors are incredibly good value for money. I have two and use them for image and video editing as well. They have a color gamut of a EIZO monitor with features of the best gaming monitors. It also works with ps5 120 fps, has freesync and g-sync compatibility mode.
Which monitors ya got ther?..
@@km7136 MSI G242
Hello, I have no idea if you’ll reply but I was wondering if this same exact monitor has 120hz support for newer gen Xbox’s? I’ve been having trouble getting it to work but I still like this monitor. Thanks for any help
Edit: mine is the 144hz version
@@davidcastillo4938 Hello David, I don't own this exact monitor in the video, but the MSI G242. Therefore I can't answer your question sadly. Maybe try to get in touch with the MSI support for a definitive answer. If you want to keep this monitor, there is also a work around with an adapter, that "forces" 120Hz to work, I think it's called EVanlak - maybe it works for you.
I have the 32" Samsung g7 with the curve everybody hates. Best gaming monitor across all refresh rates. No ghosting like the msi monitors.
Heres a fun one many people dont know. You could also buy a height udjustable stand from a local electronics recycling center. Thats if they resell of course and they tend to cost next to nothing due to the sheer amount they have.
Cool
Or you know, just grab a box or a pile of encyclopedias and place the monitor on top of them. Voila! Optimal height!
@@sidismo2903 Actually, you want adjustable stands, primarily to place monitors LOWER than the default mount they come with... Your books are fking useless. xD
@@MyouKyuubi So increase your chair height instead lol. Lots of issues you can fix with common sense instead of wasting money.
@@sidismo2903 My chair, is at maximum height.
Your input is still worthless, bro... The reason products like this exists, is because they actually have uses. :P
Primarily, the use is the ability to adjust them on the fly, but for me personally, i need to be able to lower them almost all the way down to the table, for health reasons... Specifically for the sake of my neck. The top of your monitor is supposed to be at eye-height, you're supposed to look at the monitor downward to avoid getting nasty-fking crinks in your neck.
Sidismo, you sound like someone who only sits at the computer in 1 hour intervals twice per day, your input is not WANTED, nor is it needed... You can shut the fck up. ;)
I really enjoy your videos. The analysis, the length, the actual video montage, everything is top notch (obviously subscribed). I have one question since I'm trying to gather info especially for 27'' 144Hz monitors. Does the speed of the monitor actually affects the contrast ratio ? Right now I'm sitting on a Dell S2721DGFA which has wonderful colors but poor blacks/whites (I'm using your ICC profile as well) but from what I can see most of these monitors on this category have similar results in terms of contrast ratio.
quality content as usual! i do love my letters for my money i have to say :p
I would be really interested in a comparison between the 'kings' of 1440p144hz, the msi MAG274QRF-QD and LG 27gp850 against this budget MSI one, maybe there's a bigger difference there?
this is the first time ive come across one of your videos. and i instantly love how you go straight to the point and are unbiased. SUBBED!
Kudos to you. Your approach and delivery of the presentation and thesis is commendable. A classy shade ^^
really informative and well-organized video
Keep going, mate!
This is the video I was looking for. Subbed!
Video appreciated as always :)
you deserve more and more support. quality content this one
Interesting video, nice quality. Bis zum nächsten Video!
Dankeshön, A sincere thank you for such an interesting and professional presentation, this will certainly be beneficial for when i purchase my new monitor. 🐨
damn so much went into this video. the quality and originality of the content made me think why have I not subbed before. then I saw 25k subs. I need to say hat's off.
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
Another interesting budget monitor to compare this Msi Optix G273QF to would be the VIOTEK GFI27DBXA. The VIOTEK GFI27DBXA is 27 inches, resolution of 2560x1440, 180hz that you can unofficially overclock to 240hz, 101% DCI-P3 coverage, 141% sRGB coverage, a BGR subpixel layout, 600 nits HDR (without local dimming), and runs for a shocking price range of $370 U.S. to $330 U.S. when on sale. I know a monitor with this high of specs at the sub $400 U.S. price range sounds like garbage, however “Tom’s Hardware” gave it a 4.5 out of 5 stars.
Idk how much i can trust toms guide afteir their alienware ( garbage ) prebuilt review:
Tom’s Guide Awards 2022 Winner: Alienware Aurora R13
"Best gaming desktop." - Tom's Guide
That band Viotej doesnt even exist in my area (EU) and I can not buy it anywhere. ;)
Hey there, I agree with @ThomasEdits. Tom's Hardware is not a great place for peripheral reviews.
That monitor has little to no reviews outside of that one, and it seems to have QA issues judging from Amazon reviews.
I'd go with something with reviews made by Hardware Unboxed, our man techless or PCMonitors.
I've watched a few of your videos now and your presentation and content summary is perfect. I don't often subscribe, but you've got me! Keep it up. Honestly, really do.
I think my only critique, and I'm forcing this, is perhaps when doing in person recording, being more emotive may be a quality to adopt. But again. I'm being particularly picky!
I also didn't mean to offend if I did, just to be super clear!
This video was recommended to me quite randomly, but it is definitely something I wanted to see.
When you mentioned getting a separate monitor stand, I was thrilled that someone finally considered "pimping" out a cheap monitor on a budget.
The mention of a DIY ambilight sensor (and the lacklustre performance of some built-in ones) sealed the deal.
I will definitely check out your channel. I love a tech review that cuts past the marketing BS and digs into the subject matter.
Really appreciate the kind words, thanks!
Very detailed review as usual!
What do you recommend from the following monitors for gaming and also content: Alienware AW2723DF, Benq EX2710Q, CoolerMaster GP27-FQS, LG UltraGear 27GP850-B, MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD.
That's some interesting content as well! I always was wondering exactly that question.
Wait, this channel doesn't have at least 500k subs???
Great production and really funny guy too, keep up this great work. I'm sure your channel will be up in the top soon.
Great review as always. I love your pursuit shots. I'd say they're even better than photodiode response time measuring since it directly shows what's going on. Bunch of number can easily confuse people especially if testing method is unreliable. Other reviewers seem to not bother much with pursuit shouts which is a shame. And I noticed you started doing top-mid-bottom screen area pursuits to check for strobe crosstalk with blur reduction. Very commendable. I hope you don't keep them just for your patreons, but that is understandable. :)
Thanks! I figured I'll include crosstalk shots if the monitor has a strobing mode that's actually worth it. Sometimes I do some tests or pursuit shots that I don't really find add much to the final video and that's basically the stuff that will go on Patreon now. In the past I just kept that stuff on my hard drive which is kind of a shame...
@@techlessYT nice.
@@techlessYT nice.
Thanks alot for the video. Just bought the Acer Nitro XV2 XV272UKVbmiiprzx, uses the same panel as the Predator (factory menu displays same panel). I bought it because of the factory calibrated sRGB mode. But this mode is just useless since everything looks yellowish. Did u also experience this with the predator?
Also, when I try to calibrate the monitor with my SpyderX Pro in General colour mode, everything still looks oversaturated. I am lost a bit here..
EDIT: Also, the sharpness looks a bit off. Did you also experience this?
Very useful an informative video. thank you!
I’ve bought the Mai g274 instead of g273. So you think because it’s newer what I’ve bought it’s better or I could save money and buy the older one?
Best quality content.. appreciate it!
Oh mein Gott, habe ich mich am Ende erschrocken, hahaha.
Dachte mir die ganze Zeit schon, dass du 100%ig deutscher bist und trotzdem habe ich mich am Ende erschrocken, als du am Ende kurz zu deutsch gewechselt bist.. xD
Sehr gutes Video, Abo ist auch da! 👀✌🏻
The second I saw the predator text I knew which one was expensive
Edit: the predator one looks brighter and probably have a better ACES colour range. This means that for anything art related it is more accurate with displaying correct colours. Unless you are doing professional art, 3D or game design it probably won't matter but for creative applications having a more accurate colour screen will be best
Hi! first of all thank you for all the work. I'm looking for a monitor that's 27' inch and 165 hz 1080HD 1ms or 0.5ms with the less possible ghosting. I can only afford under 400-500$CAD monitor. My pc isn't that great either (1060 6gb) that's why i'm not going 2k/1440p or 240 hz+ . I really love fps game. The two monitor i've come up with is the Asus VG278QR TN panel or Pixio Px279 prime Fast ips. The most important for me is less ghosting/motion blur possible while keeping okay colors. I don't mind viewing angle being bad. It's gonna be my main monitor. Can't seems to find anyone who did a test on google/youtube/reddit. Can you help me choose wich one you think is the best? Or maybe I should consider another monitor?
Techless
Thank you for each video you upload.
Could you recomend me between these 2 monitors pls?
Samsung F24T350FHL & Asus VZ249HEG1R
I beg you.
Really nice video cause that's something I always asked myself what is the actual difference between a cheap and more expensive monitor with the same core specs. Also love the German ending xD
6:00 it blows my mind that manufacturers can't get back light strobing (aka black frame insertion) right. It's their own circuitry that controls when one frame ends & the other begins, yet it seems none get it quite right.
6yrs ago, I bought an Asus monitor for $250 that could do 3D. A friggin' 3rd party app was made that effectively tricked it into doing BFI & it did it perfectly.
I recently bought Gigabyte's M32U for $750 & am very disappointed in its bfi. very strong red ghost image. When I dart my eyes from one spot to another, I notice a slight redness wherever there's white out of the corner of my eye. I'm on the fence if it's even worth turning on bfi.
It jus takes more money to get it right so they dont bother
Are you talking about the Asus VG248QE? I remember using that strobe effect on it, but had to give up on it after some time due to eye strain.
Nice videos. You earned a sub!
Is the color space between rhe two the same too? Or does the acer support a wider gamut?
hey man can u do a review on the ASUS VA24EHE monitor.By the way your videos are super🙌😁
That's very useful.
Thanks.
Very good and well considered video presentation. Thank you.
Thing to consider also some series has better capacitor and power supply.
Unfortunately we cannot benchmark that
5:35 Idk if its the camera positioning but the image of the Acer one looks miles better than the MSI. But I don't thing its the camera because you can also see a difference on the colors of the alien shots 5:09. The Acer alien has more vivid colors. This might be fixable with calibration...
The MSI looks like it has a green temperature baked into it.
True MSI has some weird Green Tint.
My thoughts exactly
Good Video :D. Is there a chance you going to to get a look at the new Mobiuz EX2510S? Its a newer upgraded variant of the EX2510. Would be really cool as ist maybe can be better (or not lol).
Great research and presentation on a very interesting topic: value for money. Subscribed (and thank you CZcams algorithm).
In the video the MSI monitor has a horrible green colour cast that makes people look sick and the environment look dull. I wouldn't use it calibrated like that. I wouldn't use it at all if the colour cast can't be eliminated.
The price difference is mainly due to the Predator having a 10 bit panel and not 8 bit like the Msi.
I suspect you tested a defective Acer panel as mine could reach 88% Dci-p3 gamma volume color by only changing gamma to 2.4 with peak brightness 429 nits.
Im sure user experience is different from panel to panel though.
Either way, really nice review. Im sure the MSI is still a steal at that price of $289. I personally only paid $430 for my Predator.
Could be a panel-to-panel difference. I remeber when looking at phones even things like the colour temperature between them would put me off even the same model. I tend to prefer a slightly warmer colour
You don't actually need a 10 bit panel if you aren't doing HDR though? Lol.
@@RyhtymFiend true. these don't even qualify for hdr400 specs anyway, which shouldn't even be an hdr spec because it's so stupid "un-hdr"-y
@@GraveUypo Yes and no. Even SDR movies look better by switching to 10 bit, the gradient becomes visually smoother and shadows are clearer. It also happens in any videogames, the brightness 420-450 nits looks better than 350 or lower. This reviewer didn't test these monitors thoroughly. If l chose between a low HDR $400-450 monitor (not $500) vs SDR $300, I would probably pay the extra, $400-450 monitor in HDR (even low quality HDR 400) looks definitely better.
Mini-led/OLED would be preferrable for a true HDR experience.
I agree with you. Even for low quality HDR 400 it is worth paying the extra. It gives a visual difference in movies (even in SDR ones) and videogames. They look noticeably better.
such a great channel GODSENT
Just a regular 'brand engineering' and 'OEM magic' - might well turn up the boards and the panels are the same, with slightly different firmware. Happens in all walks of life, technology in particular. For example, I remember back in the late 80s there was a lens I wanted, made by Tamron, who also made the same thing as OEM for Leica (with Leica's logo & mounting). The Tamron 'as Tamron' (with Canon FD mounting) was c.a. £250, whilst the Leica branded one - £420. I was so happy I needed the Canon flavour! 🙂
I absolutely LOVE your videos bro
Thanks man! 🙂
I know this is a old video but what would you recommend currently "price for performance"? I'm focused on panel quality. Thanks!
ive rocked 3 different models of the msi MAG series and love them
hi, comparing Philips 27B1U7903/69 and 32M1N5800A/69, you mentioned those with Mini LED backlight gives you best of both world from IPA and VA panels?
I am fairly certain, that you just pay for the acer logo. AOC CQ27G2U and MSI G273QF are 2 of the best budget gaming monitors. They both offer 1440p resolution, Msi has a refresh rate of 165hz while Aoc has 144hz and both offer you 1ms response time. If you're on a budget the aoc monitor would be best for you, because it come with a great monitor stand that is very adjustable. But if you are willing to spend a little more money the msi is also a great option.
Thoughts on the Acer Predator XB271HU bmiprz 27? Its around the same price as those monitors on amazon
I currently have two Acer monitors (purchased about two years apart) that I got because they were the best bargains at the time
they have the same price, wich is actually better
Airo aio25g is good monitor too, 1ms 165hz 100%srgb
But its 24inch
8:20 what is this that your playing on the monitors?? it looks SOOO GOOD, all the tv's at best buy play versions of this and it makes all the screens look so pretty! I want it as my screen saver but I can't find a 2 hour version of random pretty shots like that please help!
I've choosed my ips based on it's raw performance and color coverage. but I'm gratefull for every addon there is in it.
You can say that hdr is just a gimming and it sure is... in games. Because for some not understandable by me reason, colorfull hdr presentations looks super nice. So the question is: why games doesn't?
And it's colidated with the fact that hdr is tested specifically on hdr 1000 TV's, and for some reason the main thing in hdr games is light, and not colour.
it's not that hdr is gimmicky, it's that these monitors are not capable of hdr. their hdr is fake. they don't have the specs even for the lowest end hdr400 qualification, which in turn still isn't real HDR (real HDR starts at hdr1000 for lcd panels)
@@GraveUypo Then why on the same monitor you can see the tcl presentation just fine, but game looks like crap?
mine has hdr600 with super wide color coverage, and it looks fabulous if you count in colour. light might be not bright enough, but still the colour looks great in dci-p3 or even adobe range.
it's not that "real" hdr starts on hdr 1000 certificate, it's that they made it starts at this specific range.
And this range has like...15 monitors? And only if you count in half-baked local dimming.
For you real hdr might start at 16bits, I don't care, I still will use my hdr600 monitor.
If noone will, I will try to change it myself, after I change my gpu, because this new nvidia rtx is doing some stupid crap with my monitor quality already without hdr xD.
this channel is gonna blow up - so good
does the msi have freesync premium btw?
which application is the one that appears in the minute 4:40?
I have that Predator 170hz and I love it. The backlight led is giving so much for eye's
the one msi monitor im thinking buying is MSI G273CQ is it worth it 170 hz and 1440 p. now i have 60 hz samsung monitor
Ganzes video geguckt, gedacht "ist das ein leichter deutscher akzent?" bis dann am ende "bis zum nächsten video" xD Sehr gutes und informatives video!
Very cool, thx
There's one question bothering me. If monitor have low contrast ration, I'll gonna see worse in games dark places (like tarkov), if I turn up my contrast and gamma in nvidia, do the dark places gonna showed up, or these sliders starting from monitor points and just add all settings above it ?
Guys I have a doubt, Iv'e read in a comment that the new BenQ MOBIUZ EX2510S is a downgrade from the 2510, because it has not a true 8 bit display, but rather a 6 bit + FRS and the colors are worse due to that, Is it true? Or the panel manufacturers are the same? Is it a downgrade (with worse color performance) or an upgrade (having the same performance as the old model but with the plus of more refresh rate)?
Do you recommend buying the MSI G273QPF (same in this video but with adjustable stand) or MSI MAG274QRF (not the QD version) ? I also checked the Gigabyte FI27Q and Acer xb273ugs, so there are a lot of options :D I would use the monitor for usual tasks, browsing, movies and a little bit of gaming. Thank you in advance!
Yup, grabbed mine for 200$ brand new
The MSI monitor looks warmer but honestly, I feel like most people like the warmer display, including me, so the MSI just looks like a great deal!
I recently bought the G274QPF at Costco for 220 bucks which is an insane steal for a gaming monitor! 1440p resolution, 170hz refresh rate, Wide Color Gamete, Rapid IPS panel, 27 inch which is the sweet spot screen size for my desk setup and has more connection ports ! And was very satisfied as my early Christmas present!
how do you access the factory menus on monitors?
Can you please provide the best cheap monitor (27, 29,32,43 inch esp. 32'') for Multi-Screen TRADING & Charting. vIEWING DISTANCE 4-5 FT/m. How will Smart TV perform if used for this purpose . Thanks
i’ve got the msi but how do i get 1440p and 120hz on xbox series s
You gain a new sub!
how you compare the LG 27GL83A-B 27 vs MSI Optix G273QF, both swing in the same price range but lg is actually a big panel tech company.
I legit thought this was Julian Krause for a minute there, due to the excellent production value and no bs real world comparison. And it's refreshing to see a channel like this test on a game and actually go ham in a lobby
I am watching this in 2022 on a cheap 27 inch acer monitor that was made in 2011. Will the MSI monitor last as long as the acer?
I had to return my cheap MSI because it hurt my eyes after just 30mins use. Does the ''visioncare'' actually work on the acer or its a gimmick ?
Backlight bleeding (oder wie das heißt), might have been interesting as well, but basically wouldn't change your point, especially since it looks and feels already pretty identical (while gaming e.g.)
Very nice video and systematic presentation overall
Hahaha kurz deutsch in der klammer
Hey any chance you could recommend a 30/32" monitor? I use it mostly to watch videos on youtube, movies/show and play videogames. That's it. I don't really play super FPS games, but sometimes I do.
Would be awesome to get something in the up to 600 euros range. Thanks.
Loved your videos, very clear and straigthfoward
Samsung UJ590 or UE590 are good picks Imo.
Diesen "Bis zu mächsten Video" hat mich gekillt😂😂🤣🤣
Sorry for miss theme, but you mentioned many times that one monitor faster than another. Especially you said that ASUS VG249Q faster than VG259Q what you mean by faster, is this number of ghosting effect or sme ? I suppose its ms response time, but when you speak about it you showing ghosting ufo image, sorry if I'm too dumb.
I only look for 3 things when buying a monitor, screen size, refresh rates, and ms response time. Preferably 25 in., 240hz, and 1ms. 0.5ms is good too but not worth extra pay tbh
Even before the stats I could see the difference in contrast and brightness. Although the Acer still needs to be calibrated (that goes for 99 percent of monitors) I think looks far better than the MSI one
The MSI has a greenish hue to it, and the white isn't as white. Idk what he's talking about that they're identical.
@@localcrackhead2904 The camera used to film the video may have something to do with it I guess, but yeah, at 4:02 I also thought the Acer looked quite a lot better.
Noticed this as well, the colors on the Acer were overall a lot better… idk how much that’s worth, but they are definitely not the same. Overall I would personally pay $100 for the Acer over the MSI, def not $300. That being said, when did $300 become cheap? 👀
Can you please review the Acer Nitro VG271S please?
I have this MSI monitor just curved and it comes with an ajustable stand just wonderful value.
Hp x24ih....can you make a review on it??
Plzzzzzzz
Really love you channel man, explain things so simply for people like me who didn't really understand much about monitor differences when googling
Thanks!
Really interesting and good comparison 👍🏼
Thanks man! 🙂
In all honest everything but the panel is what makes the price of the monitor so could be better to start measuring the weight of both monitors as a starting point.
The panel might be hard tech stuff but is just a thin plastic coding with some other materials on top, light weight and once you star mass production probably cost cents compare to all others parts including internal circuit boards inside.
The Acer seems to have much more crisper colors, while the MSI seems as if it has a weird greenish tint on which makes the whites and blacks look really bad in comparison. I don't know if it's because of a setting you tinkered with or if it straight up looks that bad, but on that alone I would give the Acer the edge. All that being said, the MSI still is solid, but the visuals don't sell it for me.
I hate my IPS monitor. It has this color banding. Will it go away if I buy a graphics card? tnx
i just bought an msi optix g27 man its a massive improvement from my old samsung love the monitor
a contrast ratio below 1000:1 would be a knockout criteria for me.
looks like the main difference of the panels.
still doesnt justify the price difference.
Ey man, great video! The only thing that I think you missed is that the Acer comes with the G-Sync module and a piece of hardware do increase the MSRP
Thanks! The XB273U NV actually has no Gsync module, but a Gsync compatible certification just like the MSI has.
@@techlessYT got it, however that certification also impact on the MSRP. Maybe you could make a future video explaining the gap prices from the quality of the parts. Thx for the replaying
@@Vttet 6 months late, but the 'G-sync compatible badge' *does not* increase price as its using a freesync module and scalar( essentially rebadged freesync).
Thanks. I was considering my next monitor and now I don't see the case in expending all that extra cash
Nice Hifiman HE-560 you got there.
I choose the asus tuf vg27a which is a 1440p 165hz and offers good value for the money
it it half the price of more expensive alternatives with the same performance
Are you going to review the Mobiuz 165hz 1440p monitor? EX2710Q
thanks to black friday (or black week, as some stores around here call it) i got myself two Asus 27inch 1440p 165hz monitors which are ips and low 1ms mprt, they have also some speakers and adjustable stand as well as all goodies like hdmi 2.0 and headphone jack, oh boy. One costs 399€ but now it was only 199€ so I got two for the price of one
Hi who knows how to enter the service menu of asus and benq monitors 20-21year to see the manufacturer of the screen ?
I wouldn't call 300$ cheap
Can you please do a review for the SAMSUNG Odysey G5 1440p 144Hz 27i please?
5:04 Now thats what I call a vr experience
Some of these panels are binned to have better uniformity and lesser backlight blred but probably not on this price point
Love the character count per dollar comparison! XD
In the video, the acer monitor seems to have more vivid colors then the msi. Is that actually the case?