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- If bigger is better, the .22 Mag should be in every gun safe alongside or in place of the .22 Long. But it isn’t. So where does this small but effective rimfire shine? Listen in to see if you need to add this mini-magnum to your cartridge repertoire.
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I own a 22magnum and a 308. Living down here in Australia, the 22mag will get every job done.
It's a fantastic and under rated cartridge . Its the swiss army knife of guns.
I love my cz 455 to bits
That's a heck of a good combo!
I'm looking to compliment my .308. Thank you for the endorsement.
@@johnobrien8773 I deal with nuisance wildlife everyday as a 9-5 job, my .22 Mag gets used more often than anything else. Especially when the job calls for discretion. I've taken everything from Grey Squirrels to Feral/Wild Hogs with it with 0 complaints.
dont agree takes anything bigger than a fox really here in OZ reliably goats and pigs need a centrefire
On the farm growing up, this was our beaver control round of choice. I also killed coyotes and fox with it too. I personally would never be with out a 22WMR.
You ever try 17hmr?
@@nk-dw2hm No I have not, I know it is a great little cartridge as well, maybe some day if a nice rifle comes along I might bite.
@@peterray5935 I've used one in a relatively budget savage and it was a tack driver. Less vertical drop than 22wmr but still enough force for small game
@@brackishbass new to the internet? They can give early release to those who fund the channel in some way.
When fur prices were good 22 mag did a better job of dropping a raccoon or fox than 22lr did without tearing up a saleable pelt like 223 would. Not many coyotes where I grew up.
This is a conversation that needs to be had more. 22wmr is awesome.
Right... but awesome for what?
It's dowright destructive on cottontail, and costs as much as .223. I like it, and I own it...but what for I cannot say. Ditto the .17HMR.
@@jacobmccandles1767 Close range 'yotes and wild hogs, like when they invade my yard/chicken coop/garden. To me it's a ranch rifle you could say. 223 is great also, but there are times when I don't want to launch a center fire off for whatever reason
I love 22mag. I ran into an old combat vet in Southern AZ. We were hunting deer, he was tending cattle for a lady rancher. He procured access to the ranch for me and a buddy.
He lived in an old line shack and didn't have much. We got to taking about cartridges and discovered he didn't have a firearm at all out there! Keep in mind this is cartel country, coyotes javelina, rattlesnakes etc...
I asked him if he could have one gun out there what would it be? His answer was quickly "bolt action 22mag".
My buddy and i on the drive home after the hunt were discussing what we could bring for this guy when we came back for quail season.
When we got home i came across a savage 22mag bolt gun on clearence at the Walmart for under a $100 bucks. Needless to say we had one happy vet that Christmas.
Great story, lovely act of kindness. God bless
Shit yeah,
100$ is worth knowing a friend is safer and happier
I’ve had a 22mag for 60 years , one of the most underrated calibers next to the obscure 218 bee. Both are great and punch way over their weight.
Always wanted a Bee. Used the Hornet for years, something about those "quiet" varmint cartridges just puts a smile on my face.
Cool, never heard of the 218 Bee before now. Thanks for posting.
The best way to get a bee is a barrel for a contender if you have one
Btw in a contender load a 45gr with 13 GR lilgun and it smokes....I'm hoping you loaders work up....but that charge was in hornet loads.
Ask your Dr about a .22mag/wmr bullet wound .. they'll hate you....but fed 50gr isn't good in pistol... unburnt powder.
The real christmas miracle was the cartridge talks we found along the way.
I love these intellectual discussions these Gentlemen engage in.
Being from Louisiana, 22mag is a very popular rifle. If you own a 22LR and a shotgun, there’s 60% chance you have a 22mag. We use them for everything from squirrels and rabbits, to hogs and coyotes. Also, the 22mag has probably claimed more poached deer than any other caliber.
Speer Gold Dot for 22mag are fantastic on hogs and other predators. Little violent for squirrels!
I had a chuckle when they mentioned "The conversations the .22 Mag end up in.. They never end up in mutual hand shake agreement on anything.." I don't own a 22mag. nor do I know anyone that does.. But I will tell you that I've had a handful of conversations with some bad folks, that have poached a lot of deer. They all used .22mag with head shots. They do make some nice guns for the cartridge, but I hand-load. So there's a lot more appealing cartridges, that can be fine tuned for whatever level of performance I'm looking for.
@@benbowditch9265 Don't look down at the old 22LR, Taken 400 Lbs catlle in the head. And else. If you can get within 50 Yds and choose the aiming point, They will go down. And most game I have taken with Shotgun, 30-30 and 30-06 have been under 50 yds and 150 way out yonder, Depends where you hunt. My Faw for close range is a lever action( Old fashioned and might like a 30 Mini Ruger) Light and fast (no high power scope 1x 6-8-10) Lighted reticle as good as a Dot sight at 1x. Can't pick up open sighs (age). A long time ago Upgraded to BLR in 7-08(My to go rifle). And you can get one up to 300WM. Bit light for that, But could get one in 7MM RM for way beyond yonder
As god as my witness, I’m no poacher, but from my experience with squirrels, rabbits, fox and coyotes…hell, a well placed shot in the chest would take a deer down, especially with a round like the Critical Defense or the old (not sure if they’re still made) Winchester Supremes. I’m confident I could take a deer down with either of my mags if I had too.
@@WillyK51 LOL. I knew I guy who did the same thing with his Marlin LA 30/30. He got to where he couldn’t line his sights up as good, and dropped a dot scope on it. I asked him why didn’t he just put a good variable power or something like that. He said he has problem lining up the sights not not seein the target.
You don’t live in Lemon Cove do you ? If so I’d like to hunt hogs on your property again. 😁😂
Federal 50 grain hollowpoints in the .22mag are fantastic for beavers and head plopping hogs and coyotes with no issues, love my .22mag .
I’ll share a personal story that deals with EDC and why something smaller, like 22 LR or 22 WMR might be a good option. In October I randomly and suddenly was afflicted by debilitating pain in the muscles in both of my arms as well as weakness, which eventually spread to my hands causing a lack of dexterity and strength…to the point where it was a struggle to even manipulate the door knob of my front door of my house to enter/exit. My EDC handguns were useless to me…so at a time when I felt the most vulnerable I’ve ever felt, due to not having the strength to defend myself if I wanted to, add on top of that not being able to rack the slide on a semi-auto handgun or be able to pull the trigger on a double action only snub nose revolver. Plus I didn’t know if I could grip a handgun, even a 9mm or 38 special, enough to deal with the recoil, because of my arm/hand strength issue. What I found I could do was load, rack the slide and shoot a Ruger LCP II in 22 LR and I could open the cylinder, cock the hammer and pull the trigger of a Ruger LCRx revolver in 22 WMR and I could handle the recoil. So, although these rounds might not be ideal for EDC, there are times where for some they might be the only option. It gave me some confidence back that I could defend myself and my family if the need arose. Eventually I was diagnosed with Lyme’s disease and treated and I’m mostly back to normal now, but it was an eye-opening experience and one I don’t take lightly anymore. During that time I did a lot of research regarding 22 WMR self defense rounds and found that some of the options like the Speer Gold Dot and Hornady Critical Defense are actually pretty decent from a penetration perspective and they even get some expansion. Food for thought and hopefully it helps people to maybe stop and think before just dismissing these cartridges as EDC options…because for someone it’s the best they can do.
The m&p ez in 380 is pretty good for this too
I’m not sure if they make them any more but the Winchester Supreme (S22WM) 34gr JHP is an evil round when it hits flesh. Haven’t seen the ones I have still. Got kind of a serrated hollow point. I use them for long range shots (over 100-150yrds) on coyotes. I think I have 4 boxes and a partial. I use them pretty sparingly. 😁 Those Critical Defense rounds are pretty wicked too.
EDC a kel tec PMR 30. Multi use. Fun to shoot. Great for small game and varmints. When I get a little too shaky for accurate shots with a pistol, I grab the Crickett .22 WMR rifle. Sweet squirrel gun.
@@richwood8650 If you havent done so, check out MCarbo for upgrade accessories for the PMR30
@@sock979 I do appreciate the feedback and honesty at the time I thought about that handgun. The problem I was having at the time was definitely hand strength for racking a traditional semi-auto slide, but also I wasn’t sure how much recoil I could manage with my decreased grip strength. This is why I had been researching rimfire CCW options.
As I stated in my post, I was treated and I’d say I’m 90% back to normal. I can use my semi-auto handguns and can use a revolver in double-action without needing it to be in single-action. It was a humbling experience and one I won’t soon forget. I just wanted to post something to add an argument for those that couldn’t handle something more than a 22 WMR or even a 22 LR.
I have several 22WMR and love the results. Great round!
Me too
A big benefit of 22WMR for me is that there are times and places when hunting small game is limited to rimfire or shotguns, and it lets me take hogs too. For instance, if I'm out squirrel hunting on a WMA in Georgia, and happen across hogs, it's legal to take them but it has to be with a weapon that's legal for whatever is in season like squirrel. It's pretty niche, but it basically just gives you the most spread and options starting at the smallest critters up to something hog sized.
Thats exactly why I have a 22mag rifle.
But I have had a 22 mag handgun since I was 11. It gives 22lr out of a rifle type power in a handgun.
And the handgun was all ways the easiest thing to Carr around the farm.
I bought the 17wsm for this exact reason. It delivers way more payload and costs marginally more.
Same here in Mississippi, gives me 5 months in fall/winter to hunt hogs while I'm out "squirrel hunting"
You can hunt deer in Maine legally with a 22 WMR rifle. I believe it is the only state.
@@nathanlambshead4778 Defently a capable round if the hunter is a good shot and knows when to take a shot and when to pass on a shot.
I was given a .22wmr and a matching .22LR mossberg bolt action from my grandfather when I was 10. I absolutely love both rifles, but its true that the .22wmr fills an odd place in the safe. Overpowered for squirrels but underpowered for anything else that I do. I still love it, and this is America, so I don't need a reason. Great podcast as always!
I was 12yrs old in 1971 when I bought my first rifle from a friend my Dad worked with. A JC Higgins 22mag, 17 shot tubular magazine, Marlin lever action, solid walnut stock. I think it was manufactured by Marlin for the Sears & Roebuck company gun line. Paid $40. Countless squirrels, woodchucks were taken over the years. Cool memories.
I have one. I love it
That JC Higgins is a beautiful gun my grandfather had one and he handed it down to my dad my dad gave it to me when I was 16 and a few years ago I gave it to my son for his 30th birthday
I have a Marlin 922M in 22WMR and I absolutely love that gun. Great to have around the house. The ammo is more expensive than 22lr but there is just something about it that I love.
The .22 WMR was designed for hunting and is a fantastic round for game ~50lbs and under.
Out of a handgun it gives .22LR capabilities out of a RIFLE. So thats a huge benefit.
And lastly, there are some states that restrict hunting on some lands to rimfires only and the .22 WMR will work in place of centerfire .22’s.
When I was looking for a ideal carry gun 15 years ago, my first choice was a 8 shot 22 magnum revolver with a 4" barrel, I thought revolver reliability, light weight, low recoil and a 4" barrel for accuracy plus 8 round capacity so I bought one , then I began to think about stopping power and going to other calibers like 9mm, 45 ACP, 380 ACP and bought several other handguns of various sizes magazine capacities looking for the ultimate carry gun , the other day I was looking at my collection of handguns which is about 13 , and came upon the first gun I bought the 22 magnum Taurus revolver and began to Think ,Now this would be a great carry gun!
What is old is new again!
I picked up a 22 mag Henry rifle a few years back. Great round to introduce my kids to shooting a lever rifle
Volquartsen’s new takedown is available in .22WMR and it’s an amazing rifle.
" you don't look for it , it finds you "
Back in the 70's my dad bought a marlin 783 with 18 shot tube . Took it to the range . It wouldn't feed or cycle rounds .
He looked closer at the barrel, " WTF is 22wmr ? " .
It was on the rack at a hardware store as a 22lr. Couldn't use 22wmr in my state at the time , it was considered a " poachers " gun cause they jacked deer back then . So it just sat in back of closet .
Ffwd 2021 , my dad now in his 80's says , " you want this ? I found it in a case in the den ."
So 50 yrs later , laws changed, coyotes are on the menu and a 22mag found me .
Would love a discussion on the 22 hornet. Neat little round
I second that 👍🏼
I too have an interest in .22 H. It seems like a decent performer for the ammo price. Not too loud either. The military issued the caliber and gun at some point as a survival round for pilots. Maybe they were onto something.
@@joewoodchuck3824 it was one of the most popular varmint cartridges for a few decades. Powerful enough to take critters out to 200 yards, fairly flat since it used 30-45 gr bullets. There are more recent twists like the k hornet, the AI and the 17 hornet.
Nowadays it's been surpassed in most ways though. Want quiet? 300blk or 7.62 subs. Want critters out to 200? 17hmr will cover almost anything the hornet will for less money.
I have a 22 hornet that I load for because ammo isn't cheap or plentiful and it's a fun rifle with good accuracy, but there aren't many things it's more suitable for than a rimfire at this point
@@joewoodchuck3824 and its basically cheaper than 22 mag ammo when you reload it but you gain 800+ fps
@@WayStedYou Literally more bang for the buck. I've been reloading on and off for over 50 years. No problem just getting another set of dies.
I love my Kel-Tec PMR-30 and CMR-30!! 22 WMR is my favorite round!! Zero recoil (I'm a disabled veteran) enough rounds i hardly have to reload, and such a great fireball out of the PMR-30!!!
My Savage Model 93 is consistent out to 200 yards without any wind. With wind, I'm still hitting 6/10 rounds. Its a very controllable round.
The first two firearms I bought when I got out of Commiefornia and moved to Florida. Fun guns, and, yeah, the capacity is a big plus. They run pretty well too, though I've seen people on YT who have had issues with theirs. I live not too far from Kel-tec, so I guess if I have an issue I can just drive the things up there for repair, but so far so good!
I just bought an S333 volley gun, double barrel 22wmr revolver, for its novelty. I have a Keltec PMR-30 in 22WMR, it is a fantastic, underrated firearm. It could potentially be an excellent carry option for someone who couldn't carry 9mm. I also have an AMT Automag II 6" in 22WMR, a smooth shooting little fire breather. I want to get a Walther WMP in 22WMR, I'm sure it's a great shooter.
I have a couple of .22 WMR rifles, an old Winchester lever rifle and a Savage 93 bolt gun. .22 WMR has a lot more snot than .22 LR, bullets that are considerably better aerodynamically and carries supersonic velocity much further down range than .22 LR. As mentioned in the talk, .22 WMR is a brilliant medium sized Varmint cartridge. Lower recoil, lower noise, lower ammo cost are just a few of the pluses over smaller center fire cartridges for the same uses. I own a bunch of .22 LR rifles, but I will always have a .22 WMR as well.
@@noele6588 I buy .22 WMR for about 33 cents a round, in today’s market. I shoot lots of .223/5.56 too, the cheapest I can find .223/5.56 these days is 40 cents a round, for 55 gr. ball. I reload too, a pound of Varget is about 53 bones these days, then you have to find primers and bullets. .22 WMR is still quieter, lower recoil than even .223.
I've got an old Rossi pump action 22 mag and I love it. It's a great little woods gun and does a fine job on beavers and muskrat in my pond. It's also a blast to play around with and slam fire it when plinking on the range
The lack of comments so far leads me to believe our beloved .22WMR must not be growing in popularity as I had hoped. I would like to see it gain more in popularity so that the ammunition would be more readily available and cheaper as well.
I go to every remote outback gun shop I come across & there’s always a healthy supply of 22 magnum ammo. Farmers really seem to like it in Oz. It was the farmers that put me onto it. Especially after a farmer had enough of me shooting my 243 , he told me to put the 243 away & gave me his 22mag . And it definitely done the job , so much so I bought one asap after that & I basically semi retired the 243 .
There are so many centerfire options as cheap as 22mag
@@Perry2186 Examples?
@@Perry2186 such as ? The cheapest I can find is win 223 55 gr at $12 / 20.
There’s a few different types of 22 mag under $20 / 50 au .
Close but not cheaper . And different class , 223 way to load for most places within 1 1/2 hr of where I live .
@Perry2186 lmao dude come on 9mm dosnt count and also isn't cheaper... iv got alot of 22 wmr I'd like to sell you as well if your interested
I've had a Marlin 22 mag tube feed since I was a kid. Used it for woodchuck hunting sometimes squirrels. For me it had enough more power then a .22 lr and didn't cost a fortune to shoot. Run a .223 and 22-250 now but still have 22 mag for around the house. Love the gun
Love these cartridge talks!
I’ve owned a few 22 WMR’s, presently only in six gun form right now. My rifle of choice back in the day was a Ruger 77 in 22 WMR. It was a tack driving squirrel harvester par excellence, with a notable advantage over the .22 LR.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from Alberta Canada. 20:09
I gotta say no matter the subject matter you three guys have such excellent synergy. Love the podcasts keep up the great work!
Recently got a Ruger American 22 WMR in go wild camo. Found a great deal on CCI Target ammo. 1/2 MOA to at least 100 yds. Scary accurate. I admit that I was surprised.
Yeah my 22 WMR Ruger precision is a tack driver. Try some of the Remington jacketed stuff too!
The first gun I bought was a .22 Mag Marlin 783. I love to take it out against my friends at the range with their ARs and 308s. Inside 100 I can drive tacks with it.
IMO it’s probably the most underrated cartridge ever. It’s soooo much more than the 22LR. Extremely versatile and super easy to shoot. I think the biggest issue is the price of ammo compared to 22LR. On our ranch we use the 22WMR waaay more often than the 22LR. It’s just such a super good round.
Glad to see all these cartridge talks back! I would still love to see one on the 458 SOCOM!
Great conversation. I have a Ruger LCRx 3" barrel in 22 WMR. It's extremely accurate at SD distances, very low recoil to stay on target and shoot fast . As an older person I was looking for the LCR snubby wmr to carry for SD, like your grandfather. It wasn't available at my LGS so I bought the 3". For EDC I'd rather have the WMR over a 22 lr.
I just picked up a great little Sako Quad Hunter in 22WMR and love it. 22WMR gives better performance than a 22LR without being overkill in recoil, sound and meat/pelt damage; so it left me wondering why have a 22LR.. also the 17HMR might be fast but the small projectile sometimes feels a little lacking. The 22WMR with a 30 grain projectile is fast and left me wondering why have a 17HMR.
22 Magnum rocks I say!
Great talk as always and thanks again!
The 17 does way more explosive damage, that is an amazing round. the damage it does on small game is grotesque.
22wmr has superior penetration to the 17, when comparing like bullet types.
You also don't need a second set of cleaning rods if you don't have a 17. Hahaha
If you're like me, you still have the 22lr because of the price
Grew up with a Ruger 77/22 in this. Great muskrat round. When we shot from the back deck it was often between 70-100 yards, too far for 22lr. Definitely learned that it was ammo picky but still shoots sweet to this day.
First ... I love this channel. I've watched about every episode. My wife has multiple times asked what I am watching and then called me a dork. That's fine. I love the 22 mag. Use it for pigs and turtle sniping. It stretches the 22 lr out past 100 yards for snapping turtles on a log. 22 mag and 45-70 Gov are oddly my my two favorite rounds.
I bought a savage precision rifle in 22wmr for hog hunting. The reason hog hunters use it is because in many states you can hunt hogs with whatever weapon is allowed for the game that is in season. Therefore during small game season, which is rimfire only, 22wmr is the best option for getting hogs during small game season
I’ve been wondering about the 22mag for hogs. I live in one of those states. And want to hunt hogs year round.
@@XtremeBUZZ which state. I know I'm SC and GA you can year round with any weapon on private land
@@Drakehilt private is any, but bama for public is what ever weapon legal for the game in season.
With head and neck shots?
I am thinking about the new Walther WMP pistol in 22WMR and the CZ512 semiouto rifle in 22WMR both for varmint hunting. 22plinkster has a very interesting video showing the ballistics differences between 2 snub nose revolvers and the 4-inch barrel of the Walther. Huge difference. The Walther WMP would certainly be great for self-defense in my opinion.
I am glad yaw take myself and others recommendations. I see this through this updated video. Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!
Love my Anschutz 22wmr. Love love love it. I won't ever be without one ever again. Fantastic little round.
My first rifle given to me by my stepdad was a Ruger 96 lever action in 22 WMR. Still on of my favorites for coyote and bobcat. Also just a good gun for beginners coming into shooting.
Throwing 256 Winchester Magnum in for a throwback episode attempt #3!
Love the caliber talks guys!
Yea 256 winchester magnum next guys
I've never heard of it, so I definitely want to learn about it now.
Ruger Hawkeye? Looked like a SSA pistol but it only took a single round.
Marlin model 62 levermatic, tc makes barrels for the contender pistol
I like it, and I have one because my wife was given an old Colt New Frontier II 22lr revolver, as a family heirloom from her grandmother, and it came with an additional 22WMR cylinder. And let me tell you, that thing is FUN!!! Nothing like plinking all day and then swapping the cylinder and feeling and hearing the little gun come alive! Super cool little cartridge and I do want a lot gun or 10/22 of some kind chambered for it one day, I'd the right deal comes along, for some of the reasons you mentioned
Bought my 1st one in 1973. Perfect for taking pelts. 22WMR is offered with an FMJ. Add extended range. In West Texas there are big Jack Rabbits, 22WMR will take them in 1 shot with no problem.
In addition in some states, varmints are restricted to being harvested by a rimfire cartridge. I still have the Marlin 783 and about 3 years ago bought a CZ 455. Wow, what a rifle in both accuracy and performance.
I recommend you give one a try.
My favorite part of the .22mag, is if I’m walking around the woods or the farm, instead of having a long cumbersome .22lr rifle with me, I can get pretty much the same ballistics and performance as a .22lr from a rifle as I would a .22mag in a 6” revolver. You brought up a lot of great points why .22lr is so useful in a rifle, so I look at .22mag as a .22lr from a rifle but in a compact pistol
Yep me to.
The 22 rifle was to big to have at hand on the farm.
Exactly why I had a 22mag every since I was a kid.
I can't count how many snakes and other farm pest my single six has taken care of in the last 40 years or so.
Exactly what I said in my comment. Now you said 6 inch barrel, I will give people a warning. I've seen lots of comparison tests and 22 WMR seems to usually be loaded with slower burning powder than 22 LR. At a 4inch barrel it's still notably faster than 22 LR, below 4 inches there's barely a difference in velocity.
The .22WMR is the silent underdog of the rimfire world for me. I’ve owned bolt guns and lever guns in it, I’ve always been impressed with how well it works, it’s powerful but not too powerful. Great effect on targets out to 100-125yds with considerably less noise or potential to cause unnecessary damage to property than the .223 REM. Everyone sings the praise of the .17HMR but what deters me from it is even when you use 20gr solids, it just won’t penetrate, .22WMR at 70yds will go through both sides of a coyote’s chest and expand a marginal amount in the process
My 22wmr bolt rifle with iron sites put in work over the weekend on jack rabbits and cotton tails. Amazing on critters and didn't damage too much meat
I've owned a .22 Mag rifle since 2002 or so. At this time the .17 HMR was a very recent release and nobody knew if it had staying power. Time has proven the .17HMR to be a solid little cartridge. That said, I'm still happy with my .22 Magnum. It has taken countless Crows, Fox, Coyotes and Starlings from my property. It's a solid 125-150 yard round that will do the job without too much noise or muzzle blast. I will always have at least one 22 Mag as long as I live.
.22 Hornet is a really neat cartridge, and some have necked it up to a .277" straight wall, which is just super cool
Keltec PMR30 and Keltec CMR 30 are both good guns chambered in 22wmr
I have a Henry lever in 22WMR I use when walking around the property. Works great on skunks and raccoons. I also have one in Ruger precision with a 4-16 FFP scope on it that I use for both popping P-dogs and teaching people some, SOME, basics of precision shooting. Fun and CHEAP way of familiarizing them with using the scope, playing the wind, etc.
I got my .22 WMR PMR-30 in Jan '23 and it has been extremely reliable!
I do think the .22lr is versatile for its role. Having said that, when people were buying it in bricks during the pandemic and I couldn’t find the stuff guess what was on the shelf? No one seems to own .22wmr so it suited my needs
Just bought a CZ512 and put an IR scope on it for my coyote rig. It's good out to 150yards on Ohio coyote and don't get the chance to shoot further than that. Great round and gun combination as there are very few semi auto options available.
I have 1 also and its a sweet little rifle
This was the caliber of my first firearm I purchased. Bolt action Hvy barrel Savage with thumbhole stock.
I bought it more than 10 years ago because it was cheap, accurate, could shoot all day, could plink at more distance, could effectively dispatch varmint at more distance, won’t destroy hides, bullet variety is vast and ammo was cheap and available.
Right now Dec 2022 (for ppl reading in the future) I’m not sure the ammo cost makes this caliber as viable. The price of a box of 50 has doubled since 2012. Was $12 CAD in 2012, is $24 CAD in 2022. I actually picked a 22lr in 2022 so I can plink without worrying about ammo as I pick up 500 at a time i stead of 50.
I still got lots of use from my 22 WMR this season though. It’s far superior to the 22lr at killing prairie dogs, it’s still discreet and I can target shoot much farther. I’m out west and 22lr doesn’t have enough power for most critters at the distances you’ll encounter them. People are dropping Coyotes with 1 bullet at 160m with 22 WMR in my province. If it’s under 150m you pull the trigger. Coyotes out east are a lot bigger, so probably not out east.
Great little round... if I didn't rock a 22 k hornet in that capacity definitely a useful round. Thanks for another video.
Always thought the round was cool. Just picked up a henry lever (h001m) in 22mag and it's a great sleek package. Took it out to the fields and woods for the first time for small game and coyotes and took a big racoon with it. Very happy and impressed.
Got two Henry's & a lithgow 101la bolt action. Henry's are fantastic little walkabout rifles. I'll get anything from rabbits to red deer that we can stumble across. And the 22 magnum with head & neck shots drops everything. Always put a 2nd one into the bigger critters. But it sure does work.
.22 mag is surprisingly potent out of a revolver! I have a Ruger single six and a S&W J frame in 22 WMR.
I too have a Ruger Single Six and it really is potent. I’ve used it to dispatch wounded game and plinking.
My family has always had this cartridge for many years, and absolutely love it. Started out on the farm for groundhogs, but it’s better than LR for lots of things.
A good friend has 30+ years killing coyote, and he swears by it. , out to150 yards regularly. He invested in a .17hmr but was very disappointed in it and stopped using it and went back to 22WMR because of extreme wind drift on the smaller diameter cartridge.
I've watched all of your ballistic pods. That shows my enjoyment. You guys have little, except Muck, exposure to the world other than in your lives.
My paternal/maternal grandparents were born in the 1880s. WwuwH!
Forget, no remember what was happening in Europe, the US at the time.
Cartridge developments were based upon European chaos, WW1, the Great Depression, WWII etc.
I guess I'm trying to say think long term and "everything" between. Makes development, outcomes easier to understand. I loved talking to my 19th century immigrant grandparents.
Why the emigrated, what they shot, fired and why made more sense.
Loved your caliber series.
Thank you so much!
I once bought a Savage bolt action 22 WMR as a SHTF stash gun. I eventually sold it. But for that purpose, to hide out up at the backwoods cabin, it’s a very versatile piece. It’ll do the 5 acres right nicely. No bears to deal with. Mountain Lions a rare possibility. But coyotes, skunks (2&4 legged varieties), bobcats and such are constant problems.
For subsonic requirements it’s 22lr .
For larger critters within 130ish yards it’s 22 magnum.
I’ve taken everything from rabbits to red deer with the 22 magnum.
I just hits much harder then the 22 lr on those small properties where Center fire noise isn’t wanted.
Puts meat on the table & kills pests in a nice compact package with relatively cheap ammo & no reloading or searching for brass.
Out of curiosity, have you tried the subsonic 22WMR load? I grabbed as many boxes as I could when I saw them discounted on the shelf but the POI shift is annoying enough that I don't use them that often.
@@skippy-ic2bo yeah mate got a few thousand of em. 22 mag is my prepper / home steader recommendation. Because of the subsonic option. But definitely have a 22 lr for dedicated subsonic use.
Testing out a 20/22lr squeeze bore atm to try & find a balance of cheap 22lr & subsonic ammo but with the better bc & sd of a 40gr - 60gr subsonic.
I've owned several 22 lr rifles and live that round but bought a 22 mag from my brother and took a large fox with it and performance on that fox was perfect. 35 yard shot, pass though with a nickel sized exit hole, dropped it instantly. At the range it does easy 1.5-2 moa groups at 100 yards just fine for hunting. A great hunting round
I have a nice little Henry H001M and love it. Alittle extra thump for armadillos here in Kansas when you can't get much closer than a hundred yards. It's the only lever gun I own, and it's just as light and handy as any of our 22LRs.
I love the 22 mag. I think One reason it’s not as popular as 22lr in most cases the ammo is twice as expensive. cci mini mag 22lr is around 12 bucks for 100 rounds. Cci maxi mag 22mag is 20 bucks for 50
I think one of the reasons that you missed for the .22lr being more popular than the .22WMR is that .22lr works really well in semi auto blow back actions. The .22WMR is more difficult because of the higher pressures and makes safe timing and reliable function in a blow back firearm problematic.
Same pressure in .22WMR.
I've got a henry lever in 22wmr that is an absolute joy to shoot, shooting winchester 30g vmax pushing 2250fps it absolutely cooks! It is an awesome gun for coyotes, bobcats, fox, javelina. I have taken rabbit and squirrel with it but that particular load is overkill on game that size. Awesome round shot from a very fun gun to shoot
Both the 22 mag and 17 hmr are like shooting 22lr but with a little more excitement 😄.
They Should have named this round the 22 poacher lol
Lol
The preferred cartridge of the midnight meat market.
Or the .22native...used on hoopa res for everything
I was gifted a ruger single six that was introduced the first year of the .22wmr. Cool single action that I had out and ran a box through a couple days ago.
I have the 22wmr in a Marlin 25MN bolt action. I've customized it some, glass bedding full length, shortened the barrel 2", put a target crown on it, modified the trigger to 8 ounces, added a trigger shoe, polished the bore, and installed a Vortex 4-12x44 scope. With the Hornady V-max 30gr bullet, it shoots 1/2" groups @100yds. It's an excellent crow and woodchuck weapon, without having to use a .223. It's my 150 yard and in, choice for varmints.
I love the 22WMR. Didn't much like the KelTec PMR because I could never get through a mag without a FTF/FTE. Reviews appear to be much better with the Walther WMP so I'm hoping for much better success. And yes, I would carry for EDC and have done so. Enjoy the talks guys, keep it up, I hope for an invitation to go hunting with Ryan one day. Grouse, pronghorn, anything.😀
Bummer about the PMR. I bought one a few months ago and it runs like a scalded dog! I love the thing. Bought the CMR to go with it and its a great combo!
I've had groundhogs walk away from a 22LR, Never from a 22WMR. They don't walk away from the 308 either, but the cleanup after is no fun.
Just bought my first 22 mag rifle. I've found from just shooting for groups compared to my 22 LR and 17 hmr rifles it's in between those two rifles at 100 yards. 17 hmr one ragged 5 shot group, 22 mag 3/4 inch 5 shot group and 22 LR 1 1/4 inch 5 shot group. All fun to shoot. As for killing power
.....results will be determined at a later date.
It's not in no man's land....it is on a sweet spot. Quiet to shoot out of a 20 inch barrel, but has a serious wallop when it hits. The right gun makes it an absolute dream. Check out the Henry octagon lever gun in this chambering. Absolutely a dream to shoot. Takes out critters like coons, rabbits, and possums way more effectively than a 22lr.
I have the Henry Lever Action in 22 magnum and it is my favorite varmint hunting gun
I own two 22wmr pistols, I love the cartridge. My Walther WMP is one of the best guns i own; I got into the cartridge simply because I noticed how underrated it is.
I have a Ruger single six with .22LR and .22 WMR cylinders. The .22 WMR is much more fun to shoot than the .22LR. I rarely use the .22LR cylinder anymore but always use the .22 WMR cylinder at the range. Everyone in the family feels the same way. It was also the carry gun my son used when he was smaller and we went hunting. He could control it well, was accurate with it and if needed it would deliver a finishing shot and do the job.
I have a Savage A22, PMR-30, and a Taurus 992 22 mag/22 LR convertible. The Savage likes 35-50 grain ammo. The PMR-30 will fire 33-50 grain ammo. The Taurus being a revolver, it will shoot all 22 LR and 22 mag ammo.
I love my PMR-30 and CMR-30!
Great vid! I think this cartridge has its niche for those that want to explore it. Every cartridge are duty specific in design, just depends on what duty you are lookin for.
I've got a Ruger Single Six that I purchased new about 30 years ago, came with both .22LR & .22WMR cylinders. Fun to shoot in .22LR but MORE fun to shoot in .22WMR.
I always enjoy the show. I'm surprised you didn't mention the Henry lever action in the 22WMR. Cool gun with an octagonal barrel and fun to shoot.
I really love the .22 magnum. It's a lot more expensive to shoot than the .22 Long Rifle, but the power level is only part of the story. You mentioned bullet construction, but you didn't explain how much more effective those jacketed .22 WMR bullets are compared to lead and plated lead bullets. The .22 magnum is a hell of a lot cleaner than the .22 Long Rifle as well, because the bullets don't have to be externally lubricated.
Love your show y'all are my fav show by far. My Grampa had a model 94 Winchester 22mag so I grew up learning to shoot on it instead of a 22lr . Carried an M16 liked it but the 22mag will always be my favorite to shoot. Got one for my son and mom to defend her chickens. Better penetration than they 17hmr. God bless y'all.
Awesome round. Most 22 WMR guns are safe to shoot 22 WRF in as well, but not vice versa. Winchester(?) also made a run of subsonic 22 WMR ammo, so there are a variety of options out there. The downside is that ammo 22 WMR costs about what centerfire ammo costs.
Loved the subsonics. Can't find them anymore.
The Key-Tec CMR with 30 rounds in the mag is quite impressive
I’ve never seen anyone who had any luck with that or the PMR. Jams galore.
@@toddboone333 Kel-Tec and the aftermarket have fixed all of the issues with the platform mine is extremely reliable and accurate
Had to have one. Bought a CZ 457 wood stock. Put a 3-12 Bushnell Grand Slam on top. Gorgeous rifle.
Just picked up a Rossi LA synthetic in 22WMR to keep in my pickup when camping or riding around on my ATV. I put a red dot on it. You're right, It's a no man's land round, but I just like it. It's a little more thump.
Just bought a Ruger Precision, chambered in the .22 WMR. My hoped for raccoon solution.
My buddy and I have used his RPR in 22mag several times for coyotes, and foxes. Has worked well every time 🤘. Winchester or Hornady 30gr V-max rounds at roughly 2200fps.
It's a far better hammer for raccoons, foxes, etc. than either the 17HMR or the 22LR. As much as I like and respect the 17 HMR for it's accuracy, it is neither fish nor fowl as a hunting load IMO. Hurts me to say that. Totally insufficient for coyotes, demands a head shot on squirrels... which is best anyway so FWIW. The 17HMR is FANTASTIC for introducing new shooters to precision shooting beyond 22LR ranges. Golf balls at 125yards+, etc. YMMV.
I had one several years ago and it hit much harder at 100yds than my 22lr.
I have a 22 Mag and 17 HMR in identical Marlin bolt actions. The 17 HMR is impacted so significantly more by wind drift. The 22 Mag has more killing power.
Taylor and Company folding 22 WMR / 20 gauge over under is a great carry around gun.
I have a Marlin 22mag bolt action and it is a blast to shoot and very a accurate a great small game round.
Savage 93 FV-SR very accurate short handy rifle. Ready for a suppressor I carry it for the woods. Light weight and allows me to make longer shots than are ethical with 22LR on small game.
I love my .22WMR. I have a Magnum research. 22wmr Magnum lite. It's basically a ruger 10/22, it even uses ruger bx mags. I like to shoot rim fire and I have a few .22lr's and a .17Hmr so I wanted to get a .22Wmr to complete the rim fire trio. I wasn't really expecting it to be as good as it is and it's my go to for foxes or ground hogs now. I used to grab my 22lr ruger 10/22 but since getting the wmr It's become the go to. I feel like it's a great round for varmints especially when you have some close neighbors where my 5.56 would be a little to much gun for the job. It also a lot better built gun than the newer ruger 10/22's. It runs great and it's almost as good of tack driver as the .17hmr just not as flat of a shooter.
I have 22WMR in my Ruger 77/22mag varmint rifle and Single Six (interchangeable cylinders) love it!
I’ve got a marlin 25 in 22wmr and love it my favorite rimfire ever
I have a Marlin bolt action 22 WMR and I love it!
I bought the S&W 351c about a year ago. Love it. I do carry it at times as it is very small, light, and easy to conceal. The Federal Punch round is right up there with the Hornaday Critical Defense for expansion and penetration. I would never shoot 100 yards. It's a close quarters round.
I'm an old fart now, so a lighter and smaller gun is appealing. While a 22, the loudness is more than a 22lr. It turns heads at the range. Ammo is affordable at Walmart $16.99/50rounds
Henry Octagon barrel in .22WMR. Fun gun and really pretty with a set of Skinner peep sights.
The now basically defunct 5mm mag was another fun little cartridge.
Great video: both my neighbor rancher and I carry 22wmr pistols when we check fence. It’s simple and does the job. Wind really effects 17 HMR at 50 + yards. I own a FN 57 and while it’s nice the ammo is .60 a shot is prohibitive. Ruger, Kel-Tec, Walther now make 22 WMR pistols.
Great talk as always. Always loved this round. 300 Savage next?!