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- We forgot a tiny cartridge in our “Tiny Calibers” Podcast - and you guys let us know about it. Thanks!...Jim and Mark wrangle the cartridge oracle himself, Ryan Muckenhirn, to find out all about the .17 WSM. Mark was disappointed WSM stands for Winchester Super Magnum - not Short Magnum. Other than that, there’s a heck of a lot to like about this little powerhouse.
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Now, just so you know, us Brits are still using guns. The HMR took off as a 75yrd fox gun. Or for rabbits under 100. Some much prefer it over the. 22lr as the lightweight bullets tend to disintegrate on impact with anything, given their speed, as opposed to the. 22lr that tends to ricochet off of hard sun baked fields. For a small densely populated island ricochet is always a concern. This calibre has all those advantages only with an additional range advantage too for foxes, without having to resort to a. 223.
Now, it's not widely known, but we can still have semi autos here chambered in '. 22 rimefire'. AR15
22wmr's are now becoming very popular, we're even making our own (checkout guncraft and T2 UK) 🇬🇧
Would be amazing if this blank got necked up to take. 22wmr bullets. FPS around 2350-2500 with a 35-45gr bullet. Ideal for 3 gun, civilian service rifle under 300 yards and good for foxing out to 180-220 yards given the increase in bullet weight. Cheap mass produced cases, ammo should be cheaper than. 223.......
I can always dream....
I've shot about half a dozen farm coyotes from 150-400 yards, ranging from engine room shots to head shot. I live in an area where only rimfire is allowed and it's truly opened up my options for hunting.
Wow thats very impressive with the 17 wsm ?
400? I'm not trying to be a dictator, but that sounds unrealistic.
@@billm2078 agreed
@@justinpennington7682 I meant dick, but autocorrect got me.
@@MrJtin69 hey I hit a deer size head right between eyes at 200yards with hmr 20grain xtp savage b17 the bullet scrambled them brains but didn't pass through I definitely needa trade hmr for wsm as a Dailey driver rimfire all purposes all year lol these days academy sports will mail you ammo from online or any other websites so ammo availability shouldn't even be a thing in this century just the prices at the stores 😂
I have a Savage Bmag with bull barrel. The whole family loves shooting this gun, virtually no recoil at all. Wife loves it because of that and the kids love it because it’s got a nice bang, to compare to dad’s Rock River X1 in .223, lol. It’s a tack driver, inexpensive to shot, and just a nice step up from the .22LR. Great show/talk. Thanks
Right on! It's great when you can find that option that gets the whole family involved!
The bolt on the bag sucks.
Construction workers: *draw circle on wall to be demo’d “hey let’s see how far away we can hit that with a nail gun!”
Random gun guy *walks by, seeing construction workers being construction workers* “dude! That nail’s about the same width as a .17 bullet! I have an idea!”
Just brilliant!
I just purchased a .17 wsm by Franklin Armory, semi auto. It's an awesome gun 4 coyotes & any other varmits. They recently revamped the gun. I waited over a year 2 get it. Out of the muzzle It's 3000 fps. Pretty good 4 a rimfire. I recommend it highly if your a .17 fan
Franklin Armory
.17 WSM GAS PISTON
AR PLATFORM
IS THE DOPE
240 yards
Varmints be ware.👀on YOU.
Thank you guys, oddly enough I have a Savage 17 WSM with a Vortex Diamondback on it, killed lots of coyotes and Bobcats and the occasional Jackrabbit...love this cartridge, thanks for covering it!
I’ve loved the 17hmr since I bought my first one in 2003 and I’ve shot the 17 caliber to death, but I can honestly say that the 17wsm does everything the hmr does but much much better. Not to mention for about the same price. I’ll keep my hmr’s but both my wsms have become my new favorites.
Which model of the B-mag are you shooting , and with which load are you most impressed ?
Hi guys, if you can help we are having trouble picking up I’m a mission for the 17th WSM in the UK. Are you guys experiencing the same problem and have they stopped making this particular bullet would love if you could help. Kindest regards, Paul
I love the 17 wsm. I got mine about 5 years ago and absolutely love it, there’s nothing better for taking out some woodchucks.
Cool little round, they just don’t ever shoot like a varmint cartridge should. They always seem to throw fliers and never print consistent, hopefully they have gotten them shooting better. I have a 17HMR and was on the fence about the WSM, i reload so I went with 17 Hornet. The Hornet is by far one of my favorite cartridges.
I'm beding the barrel on mine I seen it done n man does it help with accuracy
Agreed on all points. Never could get the accuracy that I expected/desired. I also reload so I sold the rifle and ammo and invested in the Savage Model 25 Walking Varminter I 17 Hornet. Could not be happier with that decision!
My Bmag has a fluted bull barrel and it's one of my favorite rifles! Super accurate and fun to shoot! I've taken three coyotes with it so far and each one stopped in its tracks
What stock do you have , and have you glass bedded anything to improve consistency ?
I love my Ruger 17WSM! I used it on several sized varmints and it took them down without a doubt, yet it puts a smile on your face afterwards! I recently purchased a Vortex Copperhead 4x12x44 Rifle Scope for it! Can't wait for 2023 hunts! #AlaskanHunterFan🥶💪🏽💪🏽👍🏽
That’s the gun not the round
If you could get this in the Ruger American rimfire range it would sell a heap
Love this caliber, wish it wouldve taken off more
I have a couple 17WSM BMag’s. First one was the pencil barrel which was not all that accurate with the cheap plastic stock. Bought another with the SS target barrel with Boyd’s thumbhole stock, what a great shooter. Then bought a Boyd’s thumbhole stock for the pencil barrel and that made a huge difference in accuracy. Both get used for woodchucks with great results. The reason for purchasing the 17WSM originally was for night time Predator Hunting when we were limited to rimfire. We now are allowed centerfire at night.
it's accurate and fun to shot
Back several years ago I hunted with a 35 Marlin, down to a 22 Remington until people started buying all around and areas where my slugs were going wasn't safe to do. The coyotes moved in and there went my deer, wild turkey, and small game. So I got in touch with Sportsman's Guide where I have been ordering things for years, and purchased a Savage 93 17HMR, scope and a laser bore site and several boxes of ammo. Keeping it short, this may be called a "Plinking" round but a Coyote at 200 yards is dead if you can use a firearm at all. Now my deer, turkey, and small game are back. My neighbor set up a shooting range and bought the same thing as I have. And he has gone to Alabama and used his Savage on feral hogs. Thanks for the chance to say something. I own from an 300 Win Mag down to the 17 but use the 17 most of all. Keep it up guys.
Main point missed on this cartridge is it is the most capable (non shotgun) fox/coyote or other longer range smaller varmint cartridge in areas with centerfire restrictions. Perfect for this specific purpose. That is why you would buy this instead of/in addition to 223.
I have a savage 17wsm that I've had to send back to savage 4 times now to be repaired it sucks... Love the cartridge and I've killed everything from hogs to squirrels with it but you got to be careful shooting squirrels if you want to eat them...
Why go with the .17 when you can have the mighty triple deuce aka .222 Remington?
Hopefully a #10MinuteTalk is incoming...
Greetings from Germany!
Amen to that. And I doubt the 17 WSM will ever be measured as a 0.0000 bench rest group
Lots of public land in the states is limited to rim fire rounds. 17 wsm is the highest power round, at least mainstream that is available today.
Because it's rimfire and a whole lot cheaper!
Ammo is not cheap. Pressure is high for a rimfire, so it has report like a centerfire. I think it's a cool round, but for the cost and what you get performance wise you might well be shooting .223.
Correct
Totally agree. I’m not spending more money on rimfire ammo than I do on center fire. Cool round but ammo cost is a turn off for me. If I can shoot 223 a lot cheaper than rimfire I’m gonna shoot the 223 every time. Heck about the only thing I shoot these days is AK47 because ammo is cheap and 22LR. Will add a 223 bolt gun soon. I’d love to have some of the cool calibers like 204 ruger but I wouldn’t be able to shoot it much because of ammo cost. Screw that I want to shoot till I’m happy lol
It has one legal advantage for me which is that my county won't allow hunting with a center fire rifles even for coyotes. Stupid I know, but this little screaming 17 rimfire is as good as it gets besides a muzzleloader.
been buying 50 rounds for 20 bucks even with ammo issues these days, have paid up to 25 just to have plenty, 5.56 costs more.
The F17 is crazy accurate and instantly efficient at multiple targets.
Don't forget Franklin Armory! They sell the Fx17 AR platform and accurate. Awesome little round. Damn it... Honey!
first video i seen of your guys' and i REALLY made up my mind with this 17wsm...new sub great content
Love these informative talks. Please, please, please cover the good old 6.5x55 Swede.
Love this round I have a Bmag with a 6-24 power scope on it I've killed Prarie dogs out to 450 with it and have hit a 6 inch steel plate with it out to 600 yards such a amazing round.
@ 1:04 When Ryan and Jim look at each other because they just discovered Mark learned a new word, and is using it to it's full potential. ;)
A magical moment😂
Make a 22 win super mag
Much like Jim, I wonder sometimes if buying a 17hmr was a bad choice. However considering I can't see ammo anywhere for the WSM and the HMR is "good enough" for most situations, I don't regret it.
.17 Remington my favorite rifle. Beautiful rifle too
Got one love it it's a 1972 model 700 bdl
The brand that isn't mentioned is Browning who offers a 25 grain load , and though I still hear that all .17WSM is actually manufactured by Winchester , I have seen one youtuber shoot this into a half inch group at 110 yds from a stainless , heavy barreled Savage B-mag with the new factory synthetic stock ! I have recently purchased this same rifle which I hear now has the slightly improved , stiffer stock though it still just barely touches the barrel on the left tip of the forend . My first effort to correct this will be to use one drop of glass bedding at the right rearmost point of cantact to see if I can't pivot the barrel slightly to the right , away from the left side of the forend .
I use the 17 hmr a lot on seals and sea otters it works great not to much energy where it nocks the air out the animal and sink
Lol.... What
I used my savage bmag stainless bull barrel on 2 prairie dog hunts. Longest shot about 420yd. Used it for all the 200yd and less shots before breaking out the 223s, but also could easily reach to 250 - 270yd. No recoil, slightly louder than 17hmr, but nowhere near the 223! Ammo was $18ish for 50. Laid about 300 dogs to rest on the last trip with that thing! 😊
I killed over 750 prairie dogs with 17wsm in Ruger and Savage B mag . I recently bought 4 cases of Winchester 17 wsm for 11 a box. That a lot better than 223 prices!
@@charlesjoyner6101 where do you hunt and where did you find that ammo! I had settle american eagle ammo. We were in western Montana, but are looking for new places.
I have hunted mostly in northeastern Colorado but also shot alot of Richardson's ground squirrels in Northwest Montana. I bought several cases of Winchester 17 wsm
At Whitaker's Guns in West Louisville Kentucky is where I bought my best buy on Winchester 17 wsm in 25 grain for$110 a case
I have the 17 WSM Volquartsen semi auto. Can put rounds in the size of a quarter at 175 yards which is my zero range. Super round and gun
Have one, bought it when it came out. Have the Savage Bmag and ground hogs flop out to 300yds. Very accurate and fun and cheap to shoot. Dust my HMR all day long. However would call it borderline for coyote hunting.
Takes a couple or 3 sometimes.. but lots of 1 pull thumps..
This is a fantastic round on groundhogs. Especially potent and accurate is the 15 grain lead-free at more than 3300 FPS; 3400 in my B-mag. I am not a fan of the B-mag bolt action, but the rifle is accurate in a Boyds stock. You have to be very deliberate when running the bolt or it will not cock on close. Why would anyone design an action to cock when closing the bolt instead of when you open the bolt? Anyhow, I will eventually replace the B-mag with a Ruger if they are ever available again. Again, a fantastic rimfire cartridge.
And the best thing about .17 wsm was before this ammo stupidness I was getting 500 rounds for 86 bucks shipped and a 300 dollar savage Bmag was a ton of fun for cheap !!!!
My 17 hmr has honestly impressed me, hit a crow at 182 yards and blew it's back out.. at that range the little .17 gr v max was probably only doing 1350fps but had the energy to still expand and do damage. I'd call the 17hmr a 150 yard gun.
Don't feel bad about your 17 hmr man. Within 125 yards the 17 HMR is my favourite cartridge for so many reasons. Availability, gun choices, price, effectiveness, no reason to go to the WSM till you want to shoot further and bigger things. A rad cartridge for sure, but it don't take away anything from the HMR in my opinion. Just wish there were more rifle selections. I do want to get a March 2 some day. If they make more ammo for it.
This round is awesome and you dont hear anyone talking about. The bad part is you cant get ammo for it. I contacted Winchester concerning the ammo issue. I was told they will be increasing production in August. We will see..
The .17 wsm is more powerful that you described in your podcast. In one CZcams the shooter was hitting targets at 500 yards accuratley! Although this is not in the .22-250 range it is a devasting little bullet whether you use the 20 grain v-max or the 25 grain v-max is better on larger predators (coyotes) with the right shot placement.
I would like to see the introduction of a 20 WSM.
5mm rem needs to be reintroduced.
I have a Ruger 77/17 wsm.
I have every caliber in rimfire.
The .17 wsm is flat shooting varmit killer… mine is accurate… one of my favs for all!! I’ve killed badgers, coyotes , rock chucks, ground squirrels. Absolute must have for collecting!
Love the channel ❤️👍🏻
Would still like to hear about the 204 ruger!
Pretty sure they already talked about it
$1.35 or so a shot, if you can find it.
The .204 is really an incredible round! I would also love to hear a talk on it.
@@joshuamagill4342 I concur. Superior to .223 and .22-250. I shoot all three and favor the .204.
I love the 17WSM, but hated the bmag. I’d love to see the Ruger American chambered in 17WSM. Also, I’d like to see an episode on the 204 Ruger
I wish MDT would make an aluminum chassis for the B-mag !
I’m impress with the 17WSM, now I’m guessing about a 22WSM , what do you think about it? All the best
Heyyyy
very potent lil round. shoots flat, can do 1/4" group at 100, 17gr., out of my savage wsm bmag.
Could you guys throw together a 10-20 minute talk with Ryan about the 6.5x55(swede)? I am contemplating building a chassis rifle in 6.5, and up here in Norway the 6.5 swede is found everywhere. I also have access to several thousands of once fired quality brass. Could you compare this to the Creedmoor for long range shootin? Is the added expense in my country by going Creedmoor worth it?
If you plan on hunting there is no real difference in the two but for long range the longer higher BC bullets of the Creedmoor will out shine the Swede I think 5 or 6 hundred and in not going to be much different but if u plan on going to 1000 I'd say go Creedmoor
Different bullets you say? I am planning on reloading for it. So are you talking about factory ammo selection of bullets?
@@Truhaa91 I own both. They are super similar. You can't go wrong with either. If it were me. The rifle I want would make the decision for me if you are purchasing an off the shelf gun.
Need the .17 HM2 to finish out my trilogy collection.
My HMR started out as a Walley World HB 93R17 in the birch stocked model that had eyebrow raising accuracy. Before a box of cartridges went down its bore the barreled action got dropped into a MDT-LSS chassis, the optic mounting system turned into an EGW rail & Burris Tactical rings (overkill but the $ would have gone to beer anyways) holding a BSA Sweet 17 optic. The trigger assembly got a Rifle Basix SAV-R upgrade. Accuracy went from eyebrow raising to jaw-dropping. Total cost... I dont talk about but I LOVE this pew-pew.
The .17 "WHIZZUM" (just gave the item its name) is also a Wally World HB SS black synthetic stocked B-MAG. Kept factory stock but filled fore end with ROCKITE to stiffen (and boy did it). Fabbed a recoil lug from a heavy flat washer that rides in the barrels' middle aesthetics cut groove and bedded first 1.5" permanently affixing recoil lug to the stock. Again went with EGW rail (specifically made for B-MAGs), can't remember name of budget HD rings, and the BSA SUPER MAG scope.
Using 15 grain LF ammo (3300 fps) hitting pigeons at 100 yards leaves a half dollar size hole in the on-side and no exit on the off-site. The on-side wing usually separates. It's common to see the pigeon lift 4-8" vertically on impact.
Yeah, I need a .17 MACH II.
I have only used a 27cal rimfire nailgun a few times.
One jobsite a worker had one that would bumpfire and autoload. You could drive 3" concrete nails at somewhere around 400rpm but it only had 25rd strips of blanks and nails.
I watched it run away on a guy that didnt know how bumpfire worked, it was quite a noise.
You guys also forgot about the .204-50 BMG
Should be 25 WSM! Winchester needs to make this happen! 25 rimfire is needed.
Heard that Winchester tried this with the centerfire WSMs years ago but couldn't make it work. Too overbore perhaps.
I have an hmr and a 2wsm rifles and love the wsm...it's way more powerful but not quite as accurate but I have seen alot of coyotes run away after being shot with a hmr but not with a wsm
do one for the 5mm remington rimfire magnum
LOVIN' Savage with a B-MAG on a Boyds spike camp stock.... I'm digging it baby !!!
Love my 17 wsm
Where I live I'm borderd by tons of public land where you can't hunt with centerfires. So my 17 wsm is my go to coyote gun around my house.
17 hmr . extremely fun to shoot. Whacks the heck out of any steel 22lr rated targets and has no problems at 100. Sorry i ever sold my stainless, laminated stock savage in that caliber. May have to look at the 17wsm.
It's rapidly rapid..
I recently picked up a Savage B-mag 17WSM, heavy barrel/stainless, and I’m in need of a scope recommendation? Anyone in the comments, or, of course the gentlemen discussing the round, would be much appreciated. The purpose of the rifle will be for varmint hunting, at most I have a maximum range of 250 yards here on the farm, and I’d like to keep the cost at 300.00 or less. Any input would be much appreciated!!!
Personally I like the Burris 3x9 nice scope.
This looks like it would be great in .224, basically a 22 short mag. Would it out perform the 22 Wmr???
I’d like to hear about the 7mm rem mag just picked a rifle chambered in it I enjoy watching your videos very informing.
Last time I was this early, Gene Cernan still hadn’t landed on the moon.
2 years later, one thing that always makes or breaks a new cartridge is ammo availability.
Ammo seek shows you exactly how 'popular' 17 WSM is. Which is a shame, I was really hoping it'd be worth investing in.
Sadly, in May, 2024 it is almost impossible to find 17 WSM ammunition, and what's available is around $1.40 -$1.60 per round. I bought a Savage BMag without checking ammo availability because videos from a year ago said 17 WSM ran around $0.30/round and I wanted to practice on the cheap. Lesson learned: never buy a firearm without first checking on availability and price of ammo.
Interesting little cartridge. Would love to hear you guys talk about the .357 magnum!!
YES, and the .44
Noted! Thanks, Adam! :)
While the Ruger M77 .17 wsm is a Cadillac of a rifle, but the Savage B-Mag is the Ford Focus equivalent.
I have this WSM 17 in a B-Meg with the thumb hole Boyd stock. The problem is The brass. The brass itself is not consistent. If we had that sorted? , The cartridge would be on the top of all rimfire choices
I grew up in the Aleutian Islands “Birthplace of the Winds”.
My general impression with the .17 caliber bullets is they don’t have the mass to keep from drifting in the breeze
Im fishing in the Aleutians this summer, and you arent wrong. The wind is crazy out here
204 Ruger vs 223 Remington/or 222 remington would be an interesting one.
I fully second the .222 Remington!
I third the 222 remington
There’s not enough time and space here to list how many times this pea shooter has performed beyond expectation for me even out of the only Savage I’ve ever, or will ever for that matter, owned. Shooting paper for a consistent group is not where it impresses me but that little bullet finds hair and it is ruthless for a long ways out.
This is the first I have eve heard of this. Sounds like a reall yote buster
Would be awesome to see a 7MM STW 10 minute talk
We'll certainly add it to the list!
Could we get one on the 9.3x62?
Bought a bmag in 2015 and have had lots of fun with it
I was a bit hesitant, mainly because of all the average to bad reviews about the 17 WSM. But, the thumbhole stock, stainless heavy barrel came up at a fair price, I bit the bullet (no pun intended) and ordered one. I hear a lot of good reports on that model. The ammonia’s originally dear as poison here to the tune of $33-36 per 50, and that is ridiculous for rimfire ammo. I was also able to source some ammo at a very fair price indeed, so I ordered one. Won’t even be in the shop until mid-late October, but I can wait. I’ve always been interested in this caliber, so we’ll see how we go.
How did you get on?
@@nathanchalecki4842 it’s a shooter. Starting to muck around with thermal as well for it. And I managed to score a heap of ammo in the cheap (pre-COVID of course), so we’re good for a while.
What other rifle manufacturers are planning new rifles in 17 WSM
Never hear much about the .17 Remington.
We're can I find the 17wsm amo I need some 20 or 25 grain it's hard to find
I love 22 Magnums but am interested in the 17 HMR mean looking Spitzer looking round I'm going to buy 1 absolutely
fine elk and grizzly cartridge, we all use them where i live, its also a true short magnum, not only that,its a true 6 mile long range cartridge,
I want to hear about the 17 hornet!!
AFTER BIG GAME SEASON ITS MY MAIN CARRY RIMFIRE ITS AN EXPLOSIVE LITTLE BULLET!
Ok you guys need to do 17 hornet
Can you do a 10 min talk on 300 Blackout? viability for deer hunting, coyotes, hog, deer?
We'll add it to the list. Thanks, Adrian!
We need a 408 cheytac video! Would love to hear y'all's take on that round .
We'll add it to the idea bucket!
I hunt in counties in va that don't allow hunting with centerfire rifles, that's were the 17 wsm shines in my opinion.
Love to hear about the 10.3x68
I think you guys need to do an ELR Or ULR Cartridges just an idea
Please do a piece on the new Savage A17WSM. I understand that there are two models. Thanks
Why did Winchester develop round and never chamber any production rifles in it? It is superior to the HMR but the Savage B-Mag with the plastic stock strange action/bolt seems to be the only gun available at the time.
My Bmag is a very accurate rifle and does serious damage on whistle pigs and crows.
Hornady needs to start making ammo for the 17wsm again it is what shot the most accurately in my rifle
Can you talk about the br? 22br 6mm br
I think a great pivot from here would be go straight to .408 or .375 CheyTac, who's with me? Although we might blow our transmission shifting gears like that.
I find the .17 cal bullets fragment too fast for coyotes. I'd think this would be a great cartridge for prairie dogs but I'm waiting for a .22 WSM to come out and I'll buy that just because it shoots bullets that hold together and mushroom like a big game bullet. Much more versatile imo.
Me too
I've been shooting a Volquartsen 17 WSM, super accurate and kills the heck out of pigs. I'm exclusively head shooting. I have notices poor quality, failure to fire quite often. With that said, it's so accurate and such a pleasure to shoot I would never get rid of it.
What do you guys think of the Remington .17 center fire . I love this one the big problem is keeping the barrel lands clean it fouls fast . It doesn't start dropping at 300 hundred yards and if you reload some Hornady there under five thousand feet per sec . But ruger got one I want the 204 thats a lighting bolt . But I love the hmr it retired my 1022 lr .
I hand load for my 17 remington 3900 to 4000 is easy all the Way up to 4300 fps about every 20 to 30 shots it has to be cleaned I also run a 204 ruger ever since they came about 35gr berger bullets it's boring accurate
Please do a 10 minute talk about the 300 Blackout, especially it's use with high twist rates and suppressors!
I second this notion
Question, is the 30-378 Weatherby Magnum the fastest, most flat shooting 30 caliber, and if not which 30 caliber is?
Is this round just to have a 200yard rimfire? Wouldn't 5.7x28 be a viable centerfire with similar ballistics that is commercially available?
You should do. 375 Weatherby,
and. 222 Remington, the first, and the best of that family.
I have a savage bmag love that lil gun
I have the savage B mag. I can’t tell you how much I love it. I have killed deer and hogs both with it (head shots) @75yd. My ten year old daughter put a hole through a quarter at 50yds with it, it’s the gun I taught her to shoot on