Donetsk and Luhansk: Putin's Puppet States
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- Dive deep into the heart of the conflict in eastern Ukraine's Donbas region with our latest video. Explore the rise of Donetsk and Luhansk as Putin's pawns and the struggle for sovereignty.
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I just noticed the volume of the coffee in the cup gets lower the longer the video goes, I thought that was a just a prop I didn't think he actually drank from it. 😄
Man is working. Gotta have coffee if ur working
Don't let good coffee go to waste
@@SteveInLava its true
Donetsk was a big topic in 2014 already. And back then I also learned what a significant region of Ukraine and the Soviet Union it was, historically, it was very important in the industrialization of the country and union.
Follow the money
It takes a English blogger to question the relevance of the most fertile land on Earth! It's like saying, who would even hear of India if it wasn't for the East Indis Company, hahaha! Or,Opium came from China and Britain did everything to stop it and that's the
Opium Wars as we know it!
Oye Vey!
Love it how I get deleted almost instantly!
@RoscoPColtrane17 Banderites unfortunately drove most Jews out of Ukraine. Under tsarist and soviet rule, Jewish life was at its peak in this part of the world
As an Ukrainian American from Donetsk I really appreciate both the writers of this episode and Simon for caring enough about this to make an episode
An interesting perspective you must have!
I used to be pro separatist- I saw the Ukrainian revolution as a western coup, I still sort of do, corruption cannot be denied - but none of that justifies such drastic military action in my opinion
They sent Ukrainian soldiers head first into separatist positions for years after year , often with Ukrainian soldiers knowing nothing of the situation - it was a duck hunt and really undermined their position in the fight
1:00 - Chapter 1 - Meet donetsk & luhansk
9:25 - Chapter 2 - Ukrainian in fact , russian in spirit ?
14:35 - Chapter 3 - Donetsk & luhansk at war
23:20 - Chapter 4 - The future of the breakaway republics
@ 28:00 Abkhazia's border creeps south at night from time-to-time, Georgian locals wake in the morning to find they're Abkhazian. South Ossetia's border also creeps towards a natural gas pipeline running through Georgia from Azerbaijan.
I live a couple km from that pipeline and it's pretty far from South Ossetia with a large Georgian military base in between
You always manage to upload while I'm having a shitty time at work. Thank you.
So add more sh1t to your already sh1tty time at work? Come on...
Real!!!!!
@PakmanBrunner goofy ass
Ah yes @PakmanBrunner , because watching these CZcams videos obviously can be he direct causation of any mental health issues, surely not stress from outside sources or a heavy workload or abusive boss, it's simply the fault of one youtuber and his script
@PakmanBrunneryou’re black
My girlfriend is from Donetsk. She left in 2011 and moved to America. She luckily moved her parents and brother to the US a month before Russia invaded in 2022.
Great video as always Simon.
What does she think of the current situation? Glad to hear she could get her family out before it all went down.
@@--enyo-- She detests Putin and Russian invasion. Russian is her primary language but she identifies as Ukrainian. Her family sold their nice apartment there for around $2000 and had to leave everything behind. Most of her family moved to Kyiv when the fighting broke out in 2014. Now it’s just her Grandpa and Aunt living in Kyiv.
@@aterrell9966so she is actually Russian since she speaks Russian
@@warfaali that's not how that works, half of Ukrainians speak Russian. They're still Ukrainian and fight along side their Ukrainian brothers and sisters from the west.
@@warfaaliso Americans are English, because their primary language is English.
That's how you sound
So while I understand that the Donetsk and Luhansk people may of started the protests in 2014, how much of it was done by the misguided mislead duped by Russian propaganda or bad actors? Around the same time in Kharkiv the same style of protesters stormed a theater thinking it was city hall. You’d think locals would know that a theater wasn’t city hall…
same questions should be asked to the guys in Maidan
@@keonliller_2287 who sold their country out for some cookies lol
In an oligarchy it's hard to figure out where your leaders work out of - town halls or some corporate building.
Well, there were already small anti-ukrainian and pro-russian movements back in 2006, mostly organized by russians, not even by russian speaking Ukrainians of Donbas region.
Read for example about Alexander "de krog Matyushin, one of the founders of DPR.
You’d think KGB agents would know that a theater wasn’t city hall
Another lesson in warographics, I love this channel.
Empty heads love creampies. 🎉
You call these lessons? What type of 'lessons'? 🧠
Imagine educating yourself with such a channel lol
@@aachoocrony5754
Lessons in brainwashing the Anglo-Saxon public sadly , you merely have to hear this guys voice to know there’s nothing but dissimulation and deception.
I'm really trying to learn everything I can about this conflict, could you point me to some opposing information?@@vlad_47
Love the content its has become my routine to watch your videos on the big screen along with a cup of coffee.
This is an AMAZING video! Just wish it was a little longer and spaced or slowed, lots of very interesting details requiring rewinds. Keep up the excellent work
Agree, especially the first part got all muddled up in my mind.
My wife and my son were born in Donetsk, I have family still living in Donetsk and I have travelled to Donetsk, dozens of times before and during the war. I speak Russian since I spent most of my time in Donetsk in which Russian is the main language but I support Ukraine 100%. The mentality of citizens in Donetsk now is very different compared to 2014. Majority of people that still live in Donetsk simply can't start a new life in another country or have parents/grandparents and don't want to abandon them. Life is hard, everything is expensive and people just put their heads down and try to survive. I am Canadian and it was very dangerous every time I travelled there but I showed proof that I have a child there and I speak Russian so I was side eyed but allowed to enter. A special permit is required and you need to travel through several military checkpoints that are extremely nerve-wracking. I have passport stamps that details all my travels and I can help answer many questions.
Claims of Ukraine trying to destroy the Russian language and culture is false. While in Donetsk, many road signs, stores and offices were written in Russian, even though it is a Ukrainian city. When I was married in Donetsk, City Hall (translated to "ЗАГС" - ZAGS) the government worker would start speaking in Ukrainian but if you started speaking in Russian, they would switch to Russian as it was easier to communicate. In Donetsk, you can send your kids to either Ukrainian schools or Russian schools. Most Russian speaking Ukrainians knew some Ukrainian because it was similar but most Ukrainian speakers definitely knew Russian as it was more common and many popular TV shows, movies etc were in Russian.
My honeymoon was in Bukovel which is a very popular ski resort. It is located in Western Ukraine, south of Lviv and heavily Ukrainian speaking but since it is a popular tourist attraction, many people also spoke Russian. I was never judged or criticized for speaking Russian. Before 2014, Russian and Ukrainian speaking Ukrainians got along just fine in Donetsk and neighboring cities but certain media outlets (Mainly Russian) would very subtly mention how Eastern Ukraine financially supports all of Ukraine and some Western Ukrainians think that they are better and more "wordly" kinda like how some people in California consider themselves to be more sophisticated than someone from like Oklahoma. Personally, I thought Donetsk was a much more beautiful city than Kiev but now it is just rubble in some many places. It still has its beautiful areas but it is a shell of its former self, especially the upgraded Donetsk airport and Donbass Arena. Donetsk was offically called the "City of a million Roses", such a shame to what happened to Donetsk, I hope the former glory is returned to Ukraine, its rightful home.
@@manuelsoares9698 Thank you sir!
Which Ukrainian are you supporting Nazis or Neonazis!?
@@pashapasovski5860 Settle down Ivan, nobody is so submerged in Kreml propaganda as you are.
A thing to be mentioned is the size differences in pensions between the nations and the % of pensioners in the area. Something like 75% of the people in Donetsk spoke Russian and the pension entitlements would doubled if they joined Russia in 2014.
Russia doesn't have an ideology of an ethno-state. Republika Srpska in Bosnia and Herzegovina has such ideology if u want a reference to such a state.
"Russia doesn't have an ideology of an ethno-state" Oh they totally do. Ask Dugin.
@@stream2watch isn't Dugin fringe?
@@stream2watch i hear an awful lof of "Our munti-national and multi-religious motherland." from Putin.
@@user-zi3je4er7oalso his quote on respecting islam isnt very othodox fundamentalist
%20 percent of population is muslim and lot of turko-mongol ethnic minorities, he wants them to wage war against ukraine like any other russian.@@user-zi3je4er7o
You missed pro-russian propaganda that was going long before 2014.
There were a lot of russian movies on TV (where ukrainians were often presented as 'lessers' of russians, 'stupid younger sibling that does some stupid funny things and wants to be like elder brother'), a lot of russian 'stars' and other media people were invited as some 'stars of higher level than anything from Ukraine' and it was always as if 'our betters' have arrived to tell and show (whatever they wanted to tell and show at that time). This began to lessen only after 2014.
I remember there were always these 'messages' that were promoted: 'Donbass feeds the whole Ukraine.', 'Donbass works hard while "westerners" go to Poland to work and do nothing in Ukraine' and similar.
While in reality Donbass region had nearly the largest salaries, Donetsk was one of the (if not 'The') most wealthy cities of Ukraine.
Update:
I see that my comment attracted some attention. Not sure if it's bots, people who cannot google or have not idea about Ukraine life previous to 2022. But I'll provide a couple of examples (the ones that I can remember from the top of my head):
1. 'Тарас Бульба' (Taras Bulba) - movie, 2009 year. Movie about cossacs filmed by russians, where Taras Bulba (the main character and cossac) tells monologues about 'russian soul' and other pro-russian stuff. Cossacs are declared as some parts of russian culture and in movie they often call their land 'russian land'. According to main actor a lot of this was not in original scenario (no long monologues about russian soul and other 'russian land' stuff), but the scenario was changing during the filming and while he was against it, he was forced to comply due to contract.
2. 'Мы из будущего 2' (We are from future 2) - movie, 2010 year. Movie from the start portrays ukrainians as nazi, russian haters (while in 2010 most of Ukraine was wery amiable to Russia), who run around in Third Reich uniform and scream things like 'death to russians' and similar.
3. 'Моя прекрасная няня' (russian version of 'The Nanny') - TV series, 2004-2006 and 2008-2009 years. Russian version is the only one where nanny is played by person from other country and of course it's ukrainian woman from Mariupol. A lot of 'comedy' in these series are about main lead being not educated, not knowing any ethiquette and being like some 'redneck' who is happy to be in Moskow and dreamed about it the whole life. Of course around her we see Moskow 'elites' who are hightly educated etc. and she always makes a fool of herself. Ukraine is portraed as some 'countryside' with simple and not very smart people. In the series a couple of times we see some friends of main heroine from Ukraine and they always are rude, not very smart and always happy to be in Moskow cause it's what they dreamed about.
4. 'Папины дочки' (Daddy's Daughters) - TV series, 2007-2013 years. Series about life of lone father and his dauthers. But of course he has secretary and of course she is from Ukraine and of course she is rude, not very smart but quite sly. In series she often exploits the kindness of her boss, tryes to evade her work duties and in one of series she had her working visa (or something, not sure how exactly it's called in Russia) expired so to be able to continue live in Russia she forced her boss to marry her... And of course some of her family members come to the wedding and of course they (ukrainians) are not very smart or educated but rude and misogynistic (displayed by their behaviour towards daughters of main hero).
These are just what I can remember from that time and what I've seen myself (not being a person who likes movie/TV series a lot).
Some points about the amount of russian influence:
1. Viktor Medvedchuk (close friend and ally of Putin) - till 2021 with his ally Taras Kozak owned 3 TV channels and used the to promote pro-russian propaganda.
2. Till 2014 the coalition in Rada was formed mostly from 'Party of Regions' - fully pro-russian political party, that was controlled by Yanukovych (a lot of members of this party became traitors of the state after 2022 when they switched sides or stole intelligence etc.).
3. Russian TV series and movies (even some from above) were freely shown on TV even without ukrainian translation or subtitles (yeah Ukraine was so 'bad' and 'anti-russian', that allowed that).
Underrated comment
"While they were walking on Maidan our people were working in the mines and fed the freeloaders".
And thats not empty words either, Donbass and Kharhov aswell are Kiev's economic gold mines since 1991 already, its no secret.
Even American movies and shows had subtle propaganda. A simple line here or there like "Crimea is russian," or depicting Myria as russian.
@@TrineDaely Crimea a river lol
@@vlad_47 only most mines were on government dotations and there were multiple protests during 1993-2002 years due to coal mines not paing salaries (due to not being profitable and government not having enough funds to cover the difference) or when government tried to close some unprofitable ones.
But at the same time all my young years I heard proud miners proudly telling how they feed the whole country...
I didn't know anywhere near what I should've about these area's recent history. Appreciate it, Simon & Evan. Random: Would a WW2ograpics Channel diving into the wild aspects, numbers, unsung heroes, etc. be too specific? Or even viable? I'd love to write a few scripts for it, if people thought it could work...
There are already way to many amazing superb quality channels for that.
@@mezjean5966 There are a few good ones, most just parrot points from other videos. & There are great Biography, Traveling/Geography channels, etc. & Simon made a channel about those. So I don't know if that's good logic or not.. 🤷♂
We already got mark Felton for that stuff, simons better at the topical stuff
@@mezjean5966mark Felton fan I see
Fascinating stuff, thanks Factboi (and team)!
@PakmanBrunner Are you piad per trolling message or on a set salary for youn bs?
Solid video as a brief overview
The dramatic music is really out there
😂
Shaktar Donetsk are famous in Europe, every football fan knows them and they have always had a big russian following within Ukraine.
"Verdansk" Airport from the videogame Call of Duty Modern Warfare: Warzone (2019) bears a striking resemblance to Donetsk Airport around 2013-2015.
It was agreed upon probably
The name of the guy running the Donbask sounds like Evil Gherkin. "Evil Gharkin did this. Evil Gherkin did that." I keep expecting Pickle Rick to show up.
Very detailed video thank you so much
Kharkiv, Odesa, Mykolaiv and Kherson had a similar sentiment in 2014. The world had a chance to witness their reaction in 2022
This video is stuck in the past.
Whoever game him points has a pro-russian narrative to tell.
@@springgreenzoneoh! How sad he didn't say things you were told by CNN. I hate him also 😂😂😂
@@springgreenzonehe has a balanced script actually, it's not fabricated from lies
I can 1000% guarantee you that given how Russia has treated them all (especially Kharkiv as of me typing this comment) since 2022, the majority of the population in those places has the exact opposite sentiment toward Russia now. Especially given how we see in Vietnam and Afghanistan how quickly a population sentiment toward a foreign nation can change pre and post war or how a population tends to treat a foreign nation based on their actions and not words nor principles.
What is Orthodox Christian fundamentalism mean ? I’m Orthodox Christian, never heard of it. You did teach us an army with Nazi uniform is a minor problem and Orthodox Christian fundamentalist are.
Open your dictionary, christlover.
Orthodox Christianity is still the majority faith in Ukraine. They want to sidle over to Constantinople, not dissolve the faith.
It means "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbor"? Maybe not every version means the same thing.
@@SusCalvin I knew. I felt when the Christmas date is changed by the political decision rather than by the Holly Synod’s.
For the longest time Russia was portraying Ukrainians as dumb village farmers or dum smaller friends. They were always portrayed as a joke, and a lot of that was shown in the Donbas region. A lot of hostility within Ukraine towards Donbas came from the fact that there was a lot of mafia there and our president then, Yanukovich, came from there and was highly supported by their people. He was a part of big mafia there. Also, a lot of the time people who came from Donetsk were quite unpleasant in how they acted around other cities. I remember when annexation was happening, how people from Kyiv were unhappy with those who ran from Donbas. Everyone was fine with them from the start, but they were acting arrogantly a lot of the time and were quite violent. That added to reputation of criminals and mafia from Donbas. Now, no one thinks like that about them, but we can see the result. When Russia came to Donbas, it was finished. When it came to Mariupol, it was finished. The only place that didn’t suffer was Crimea
Fake news
@@worldwide8587 I spoke to a hand full of people between 2008-2013 about travel to Donetsk and was told the people there have an untrusting attitude towards people from more western regions.
@@rustyyb8450 - eastern Ukraine still had a close socialization with communism even following the defunct soviet union most of them have no idea about democracy and capitalism even though they all were members of the massive black market of the USSR nd knew how to barter - every communist took 10% of all goods and money that went through their hands and after 1991 these people were left to fend for themselves with not a shred of understanding of western freedoms, capitalism how to work with money etc - many were giving away their land for free which they came to regret now that its become ridiculously expense and made many extremely rich and caused the poor people to despise the western way of living - these ex USSR had the state to look after them but on their own they are like children and easily persuaded by Putin's propaganda whereas the younger Ukrainians more educated these are the ones fighting for their freedom and rights and independence from totalitarian states like Russia
I love how real this channel is.
Donetsk Is one of the only places I have been in the Ukraine, I grew up in an coal mining Town in Colorado so at home.
Great video. Thank you Simon.
Bald jew lol
@@vlad_47 Common feature of rashist trolls are theirs antysemitizmy. Why is that? I bet you guys get together on Friday evenings and read mein kamf together 😆
@@andzejsulzicki9401 everyone is anti-semetic, some more and some less
@@vlad_47 In your rashist world perhaps. But not in mine.
@@andzejsulzicki9401 anti-semitism exists only in Russia?
Soulja Boy became the first rapper to recognize the independence of the People's Republic of Donetsk
It wasn't Diddy?
Who is sulja boy? WTF!
@@MultiMetaldemon Search on Google for Soulja Boy and Donetsk
People anywhere else in world: I don't like this country, I will find a way to move somewhere else.
Russians (especially in post soviet countries): I don't like this country, but no-one will make me move either! May the country I like come to me instead!
Not true, this also the case for every non western ethnic group that migrated to Europe in recent decades.
Those people are older than the supposed 'country'
Ethnic Russians were leaving Tadzhikistan in the beginning of 1990 as there were attacks on Russian minorities who lived there. There were also a civil war there at 1992 nobody knows about
So mass deportations (or at least forcing a large number of people to leave based strictly on their ethnicity) are good? Does it work both ways?
"human rights abuses have run rampant"
Way to bury the lead. Listening to the stories from people and mostly women from that place is horrifying.
So why did he not say what was happening from 2014 until the war began?
Keep up the good work
Amazing video bro 🫡
Do you have a podcast anywhere?
Thank you! I'm trying to figure this out and hear so many sides. It's hard to figure the nonsense out.
Very good videos. I think they are very informative, set out well and easy to understand for all people.
They're not exactly puppet regimes, Russia considers them constituent subjects
@Reichsritter - wrong, except for Putin, most Russians consider them Ukraine
@@majorrgeek doubt it, Putin is elected over 80%
@@majorrgeek no
@majorrgeek after Yugoslavia Libya..Iraq west thought it won't be affected..price for nazzi west
@@zg8661 - wrong, Putin's regime resembles a Nazi regime led by a murderous despotic kleptomaniac - he and his parasitic oligarchs would never survive western law because he would no longer make the law that is the only reason he resists the west - get it straight you have a lot to learn
Great Vid ; Simon Keep Up The Good Job 👍👍👍
Donbass is like the Ruhrgebiet of Germany to make it more compareable for western/middle-europeans its a huge industrial basin.
I thought I pretty much understood this war but learned quite a lot from this thank you to the warographics team
Russia from Great Peter n Cathrine the Great have always set up settlements when the Russian Empire was around. N when the Soviet Union fell apart borders of the Republics within had to figure out territory. It makes it more complex because the Soviet Union transferred a lot of land responsibilities to other republics that didn’t really have a majority consenting to it. That’s my hypothesis why Russia is doing such.
so what? their empire collapsed. you dont get to go back when you are stronger and say you "want a do over"
Russia currently recognized borders are very similar to the one the Bolsheviks had when they signed a treaty with imperial Germany
Russias core provinces border NATO Nations
@@raidermaxx2324 Ofcourse you can lmao, Power dictates everything.
Nice beard Simon!
My cousin was one of those who chose to stay in Donetsk. He's doing well now - runs a successful small business and goes on regular vacations a few times a year.
how does he like his russian overlords?
@@raidermaxx2324 He's always been pro-Russian. Most people there are. So he's quite content.
@@raidermaxx2324 One would assume that he likes the Russian overlords over the Ukrainian overlords. I have a friend whose brother lives in Donetsk. The whole family is pro-Russian. Another friend has connection in Odessa. Same there.
So it is time he goes back to Russia , or to God - his choice
@@SkyDiver-wd5oj one would NOT assume that at all, in fact... since the russian overlords, unlike the ukrainian "overlords"
are the occupiers, who have invaded a sovereign country , laid waste to entire cities, targeted civilians and infrastructure like terrorists, and have threatened the world with nuclear apocalypse, because they are such losers.
On top of that, their incompetent, ridiculous military, makes up for its feeling of inadequacy by taking it out on civilians, by raping murdering women and children and then stealing everything that is not nailed down,..
Not to mention they torture civilians for pleasure, and chop the heads of of POW's like fucking ISIS does.
So that is NOT an assumption that anyone would prefer these type of people to be their overlords, unless that person happened to also be a fascist, and pro-evil, "one" would assume.
top it all off that the invasion was based on a huge fucking lie, you would have to be a pretty shitty person to prefer the russian overlords.
Here's your "L"
This is pretty sad. I hope Donbas finds peace and freedom.
yes from russia
Oh boy. The Québec movement for independance from Canada is very softcore compared to any other mentions listed. Independant Québec would be a real joke.
From a Québec, Canada citizen.
..who is playing the piano for the background music?
Does warographics still call people worried about the ineffective cv vaccine conspiracy theorists?
I’ve long predicted that the third option will come to realization; a new DMZ area will be established, similar to that of the Koreas. I don’t see Russia giving up its gained territory anytime soon, considering its pride and how important the land-bridge to Crimea is.
Carnie spotted in the wild
Russia isn't a small Korea (it's not like peer powers throwing all they have to win and rely on outsiders to keep them afloat).
There are nobody that can force it to do anything (only if USA and China together try to strangle economically - which won't happen because they are enemies in the 'war' for the 1st place in the world economy).
Ukraine has very small military age population in comparison to Russia (many fled so ratio benefits Russia even more).
Soviet stocks were made to plow whole of Europe and more in case of conventional confrontation there.
Even after 90th black market sales there are more than enough to plow whole of Ukraine multiple times.
Math is on the side of Russia. There is also WW3 script but I doubt foreigners want to die en-masse for Ukrainian statehood.
So knowing that I can't see why Russia won't make an example out of Ukraine for it's neighbours that seek military alliance with someone else.
It tried to do Georgia-style quick show of force but Ukraine didn't accept that path.
As US senators say about this conflict "best money can buy". So there is no incentive to stop from the power that keeps one side afloat.
Now they will have to suffer more than losing a bit of territory and being officially peaceful towards Russia (Georgian case).
@difox5731 mate, those soviet stocks that were "designed to burn through Europe" (the ones Russia have aren't those stocks since a lot of equipment was left in the other 13 post soviet states) are predicted to run out in like two years. Russia still continuously loses more men and material when compared to the Ukrainians. This war in Ukraine has only demonstrated that Russia was a paper tiger, the modern and flexible military they said they had burned along with those tank columns in the early days of the invasion.
Thank you guys. Top quality!
8:47 I think you mean "legal immunity" though impunity is probably not technically incorrect.
Mind if I suggest a topic for a future video?
The War of the Grand Alliance
Whats that?
Is that the same as the 9 years war? Would be interesting
He won't do a video that tells truth about Russia and Ukraine history.
@@svenske71 Ding ding ding ding!
@@donnaroberts3630you sound upset that the history isn’t in favor of Russias stance lol
Most DPR and LPR separatists have been killed in the wars first 2 years
28:50, most interesting pronunciation of Abkhazia I have ever heard
Great 👍 Journalism love ur voice bro
I thought this was Vsauce when I was younger
He’s like an alternate universe version of VSauce
They're nothing alike.
@@aes0p895 The beard doesn't click?
Amazing overview! Thanks Evan
These places used to be like Northern Ireland on a bad day, both sides killed each other, I recently went back now it is worse...
Great video - Any chance you could slow the pace of delivery just a little? It is fast in places you struggle to catch your breath and it is far too fast to absorb and retain more than just a few basic facts. My baseline is the rate of a University lecture. You are three times as fast at least.
Yes, its the idiotic CZcams rate - I know, but your material is well written, concise and fact dense.
Thanks for the superb channel.
Are the DPR and LPR even still recognised as independent by Russia? Considering they were annexed
Interesting point...
Yes, in Russia, you have many republics.
Russia does not consider themselves 1 nation. It’s a federation of republics. But it’s more complicated than that, most of those republics the world wouldn’t consider nations, in fact a lot of them have less self-governance then US states.
Technically it is illegal to call them Republics, because the official terms are Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, Russia has a law that basically says that are a criminal if you say stuff like Crimea is not Russian or that Chechnya is also not Russian.
@@finalMadfox it is not illegal to call them republics, that’s exactly what they are. There’s names, according to Russia, has not changed since annexation. They are still the Luhansk Peoples Republic and Donetsk Peoples Republic. Russia is a federation of many republics. They were Oblasts under Ukraine. Though for Russia to call them “republics” is nonsense, they have less self-governance than US states. The second part of your statement is true, it is illegal (in Russia) to call them not part of the Russian Federation.
Pretty sure those provinces BOTH declared independence IN 2014 after the coup d'etat
Not coup, and not after what you call "coup" but after russian annexation of Crimea.
@@vitaliyt8571 be honest with yourself or do you have such low standarts for your african failed state?
2004 was already a coup already.
@@vlad_47 My brother, remember - there are no coups that are immediately followed by elections.
@@vitaliyt8571 Why are you so sure about that?
@@vlad_47 Can you give examples to the contrary?
How did you somehow score a -1 on political liberty??
LOl By getting a thumbs up from Libya and North Korea only...
Great Job!
"russification" is the key word for displacement of people. "Mass Exodus" is an oddly neutral term for it.
What’s the word for American displacement of native Americans?
@Vomax343 nice whataboutism, you had to reach so far that you went more than a century into the past, and people nowadays usually call it a genocide or ethnic cleansing.
Thanks. This really helped me to understand how the DPR got.to be how it is.
This breaks down the bare bones of it...
They've been annexed, they don't exist anymore.
A great informative videos... and why we need to support Ukraine
Those lands could have been democratic and prosperous parts of Ukraine, perhaps even the EU.
But some people chose to join a totalitarian regime.
Yeah crazy Russia that jails political opponents and silences opposition in coordination with social media and tech companies.
Oh wait…
Better "totalitarianism" than be Pozzed and filled with müßlíms like in the west.
Democratic and prosperous! You are having a laugh. Under the soviet union Ukraine was the 5th most prosperous region in the World! The collapse of the Soviet Union and the enforcement of Western 'values' and market economy crippled the whole region. All the West has done for any region in Eastern Europe is asset strip and create a demographic crisis. I know I live out here, I am no friend of Russia but I loathe the West and what they have done to us.
or Russia...
Democratic and prosperous? Who are you kidding lmao, Ukraine was a corrupt shithole before the war and is still a corrupt shithole even now. You might as well give Ukraine back to Russia who is also a corrupt shithole.
You overlook the vast gas reserves found in western Donbas, estimated at $trillion (2012 prices). An asset worth fighting for.
Weird music at the end. Not really sure what vibe it was supposed to set.
I think the sound person wants to be whitnessed - the level was set to nearly drown out the speach /o\
Yeah, rather inspirational feel that clashed with the narration. 30:40
Talk about why the eastern Ukraine is so Russified.
Simply, because it is basically the same nation, inhabited by the same ethnic group, with the same history. Ukrainian history is Russian history and vice versa. Always has been. There isn't really any sort of noteworthy difference between the two. Russified doesn't mean anything here.
Why does this feel like propaganda?
Because you have been paid to post that?
Because your are not very smart?
Because everything from west is clown propaganda
@@dzonikg yeah all of those independent news companies, channels & individuals that get arrested if they say something against the government narrative - oh wait that's Russia 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Because you can't talk about this war without mentioning the CIA or NATO and how they've been involved the whole time, otherwise you're not getting the whole story. Ukraine is well known now to be a proxy state for the US government for anyone that has looked into it.
To be fair to him though he is talking specifically on a topic, and I'm sure he knows he wouldn't be allowed to be on CZcams if he said too much truth anyway. I do like this channel, it's up to us to just take all the information in and make what we can hope is an informed decision from that.
Oh cool. We're rehashing World War 2. Donetsk and Luhansk are Poland under German occupation. Good times...
17:30 80% of the 'volunteers' fighting under Girkin were from Russia and trained by the GRU. Additionally, at the time the jet was shot down there were close to 40,000 Russian soldiers deployed in the Donbass. They didn't 'prove' anything, in fact if the battles of Donetsk Airport and Debeltseve were anything to go off of, they were so inept that Russian elite forces had to be deployed for them to get anything done.
Im no military expert but i call doubt on Ukraine ever seeing the Donbas region in their territory ever again
Agreed, unless Russia yeets however many bombs over the Poland border or they advance to chemical warfare.
Drawing an Ukrainian Ally into the conflict. Russia would hastily lay down their arms when Allys crossed the Ukraine Poland border. Then the news videos showed on the Russia equivalent of CNN to ESPN. Only when they realized their dictator led them astray causing revolt
They are Russian speakers with Russian roots , so you can understand their loyalty.
Likewise the Russian language was demoted by the Ukraine government which didn't help the situation.
Natasha again?
Their loyalty is against a union with Russia. They voted against it in 1991.
It's one thing to have your language "demoted". It's another thing to have your land scorched for generations by Russia.
30:01 either my hearing is worse than I thought or that tinking sound in the background is really grating on me. Very distracting
The Azov Brigade is no longer a volunteer militia group since it was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine in 2014
Yes, the Ukraine government did formally incorporated a militia group that uses “wolfangel” (Nazi SS) as their insignia… into the country’s official armed forces.
I have read quite a bit about this.
The consensus in Ukraine seems to be that this was a brilliant political decision .
The original Azov and the Ukrainian public could agree on one thing, and that was that Ukraine was theirs and worth fighting for.
Interestingly Azov was always recruiting more people, mostly "non extremists", and by the time Russia launched its invasion, less than half of Azov personnel had extremist ideologies.
And what choice did they have. The country was invaded by russia, the army was in bad shape, and then some loyal groups showed up and bravly fought.
After that they becae
Me a regular unit.
Mostly from russian speaking areas around mariopol
@@sH-ed5yf The country was invaded in 2022. They incorporated Azov into National Guard in 2014.
Nice try but no.
@@tonamg53 ukraine was invaded in 2014. First in crimea, where the russian mercenaries and special forces seized the perninsula. After that russia sended thousands of mercenaries, like Igor girkin in donbass to inflate a armed insurgency by seperatists forces.,
Later russia even sended tanks and heavy artillery, with where used by the seperatists to shell ukrainian Held areas.
@@tonamg53 oh and russia pfficial shelled ukrainian forces with artillery when they atempted a counteroffensive in 2015.
But russia never fuels war, right.
I’m Ukrainian, and awareness of the situation is so critical. Thank you for covering this.
If anyone is reading this and you are in the US, I am begging you to call your representatives and demand that speaker of the House Mike Johnson bring Ukrainian aid to the floor for a vote. I am from Kharkiv and my city is suffering. Please do what you can.
I'm voting against LOOL red pride worldwide
Absolutely no. Ukraine isn't our responsibility. Maybe dont overthrow Yanukovych and stick to the Feb 21st 2014 terms. That insurrection sure did backfire on you didn't it. Go cry somewhere else.
@@EuroMaidanWasAnInsurrectionfound the russian troll
@@PatagoniaAriesfound the other russian troll
@@EuroMaidanWasAnInsurrection it kind of is. The US promised Ukraine protection against any enemy in exchange for their nukes. That promise absolutely makes it their responsibility. I think you might have a different opinion if you lost members of your family because Ruzzian orcs target civilians and civilian infrastructure. Enjoy your peaceful skies and not thinking you’re going to die or lose the people most important to you at any second. Maybe show more compassion for people going through terror you will never understand or have to experience in your lifetime.
Simon please make mre bio videos
Interesting.
I wouldn't say that Donetsk and Luhansk were long considered quiet and sleepy prior to the Russian invasion Simon... there was a civil war raging there for almost a decade...
The Russian invasion was in 2014. FSB Colonel Girkin has testified to it.
It was a low-intensity conflict but still a conflict.
@@SusCalvin Yeah, wasn't quiet or sleepy though lol
6:06 - I keep hearing people say that, but how did that "fringe group" manage to have that statue built in Kropyvnytskyi square, in Lviv?
Can't be all that minuscule if they had the power to have that monument built in the middle of a city.
No it isn't. Banderas clearly has some very rich and powerful followers in Ukraine. That is not disputable, it's not even a secret.
More insight on those regions than Ive ever heard. It’s a shame that’s still happening in Europe in 2024.
Watch the “arty” feature film “Donbass”. It’s like the “Gummo” of war films, if you know what that means. ✌️💙💛
Why doesn’t he talk about the US senator that were there when Ukraine ousted yanukovich and how it was really weird
I don't think one senator has the physical strength to overpower the president's bodyguards and oust him.
@@The_Lunch_Man I meant that TheUS instigated it
@@monkeynator1000 Right, of course, it's the US fault that Russia invaded Ukraine. It's also US fault that Russia invaded Chechnya, Georgia, etc. etc. The scumbag US forced peaceful Russia to do it, to defend itself.
@@monkeynator1000 I mean they didn't but you do you I guess.
@@monkeynator1000by that logic you could accuse any country that had state officials in the country of orchestrating a coup. Also, why would the US send someone recognisable and easy to track like a senator when they have the CIA.
From what I understood, it was mainly the Holodomor that destroyed these regions, almost 100 years ago.
Where many independent farmers were starved to death and replaced by farm labour forces from ruZZia for their "collective farms".
Ever since then you had a huge presence of russian-speaking people there, who paid "hommage" to their "motherland".
Stalin was a Russophile in spite of his Georgian roots and intentionally imported Russians to dilute Ukrainian nationalism. Now they all pay the price.
Collectivization was not promoted by "the Russians". It was a communist doctrine pushed on the population of the country by the Soviet leadership in Kremlin. Aan ethnic Georgian, Iosif Stalin was at the head of that regime. Peasants in Russia and Kazakhstan experienced the same brutality and starvation. Look this up at least on Wikipedia.
The Holodomor (or Russian famine), as it used to be known, was the result of collectivism. It caused the deaths of millions of Russians, Ukrainians, and Kazakh's. The peasant farmers (traditional farmers) resisted collectivism by destroying their crops & machinery, they slaughtered their livestock and this setback started the famine.
@@johnhume4346 correct. The Soviet military and police also forcibly removed the remaining supplies from peasants and did not allow them to relocate to where food could be obtained. This was not aimed at Ukrainians specifically but at all farmers who resisted Soviet control.
The so called "holodomor" is a Ukranian nationalist propaganda myth, like the Dolchstoßlegende or the Reichtagsbrand in Germany. It was a Soviet Union wide famine, which Ukranian nationalists and their opportunistic fellow travellers in the west to this day ahistorically misinterpret as something man made and uniquely targeting what was later to become Ukraine building on the wide spread Russophobia in western Ukraine and the so called West in general.
I'm more reminded of the border between North and South Korea than I am reminded of the Cold War borders, though they're not dissimilar.
I always wondered what Simon would look like without beard
Like a penis with glasses?😂
Turn your screen upside down 🤣
@@Chilled_Mackers I can't, I have 48-inch monitor :(
@@infiniteagony5495 Turn yourself upside down 😆
The local population of 1930s Sudetenland wanted to join Germany like modern Donbas locals want to join Russia. Is a violent invasion justified?
Ирак вообще не хотел присоединяться к соевым)
It is if those ethnic minorities aren't safe.
Kosovo NATO puppet state
Well, there is like a dozen other reason why the Rusians invaded but no.
@@mezjean5966 Both cases aren't the real reason for the invasions. They are just superficial justifications.
Donesk and Luhansk people wanted independence so they took up arms then thought they would be better protected being apart of Russia terriory summed up the history.
How u gonna get a -1 score that's another level
as far as i understood the majority there are russian ethnically and speak russian and afaik they wanted to join russia instead specially after ukraine wanted to enforce the use of ukranian language in the region am i wrong?
Not entirely wrong. But I believe around 2004 -2006 Ukrainian population in Donbas was about 56% to 44% Russian. Over the following years the Russian population quite strangely increased. & many Ukrainians left the area.
Some what strange I would suggest.
@@TheBarnestah 😀😀
Well they never enforced the ukrainian language
Thank you so much for not forgetting Ukraine, Simon!!!
I'm glad you reported the fact that Russian language was chosen & promoted by the Soviet Union in the past in the region, while Ukrainian was forbidden. One of the main complaints/justifications from the krembot army for the war is that Ukraine was trying to ban Russian being spoken & was forcing everyone to only speak Ukrainian, which wasn't true anyway but it's good to put that in it's proper historical context & show that it was done in the past by the Soviet Union
BS... Ukrainian was officially taught in schools in the Ukrainian SSR during the Soviet period and as well was an official language there along with the Russian. And the ban of the Russian language was one of the first laws that was put on discussion in the Ukrainian Rada in 2014 after the Maidan.
Nonsense. Ukraine was very anti Russian in the Donbas. US has no business in Ukraine. Russia has plenty.
@@doublehelix7880 these people make their own history up as they go
in 1970s-80s Ukrainian language was available in schools in Luhansk for anyone who wanted to study it. Not many chose to. I remember reading in The New Yorker or Time around 2000 how the author wanted to practice her Ukrainian in Kyiv and people would respond to her in Russian. Languages are not static, and in the USSR teaching medicine or engineering in college was typically done in Russian as opposed to Uzbek, Ukrainian or Buryat. There simply were not many textbooks in these languages, and not enough native speaking professors. Incidentally, what language was used in Lwów law and medical schools when the region was part of Poland, Polish or Ukrainian?
If the soviet union tried to ban ukrainian language as you say , why do we speak ukrainian in Ukraine today ??
It's such a BS thing you are saying. There was no soviet state where the soviet union ban locals language to promote russian language. Your history doesn't add up.
Great job Evan.
Nice presentation Simon .
Yo, anyone watching the documentary in nfx about the bomb and the gold war it's fire
You cannot have war without some level of underlying populous support.
Maidan didn’t happen solely because of Victoria Nuland, just as Donetsk and Luhansk didn’t want to separate purely due to Russian propaganda.
Yanukovych was their president. They were furious with how the Americans installed a fascist puppet regime.
Except ru propaganda and its irregulars player the MAJOR role in it.
First they made a huge scarecrow out of Maidan protesters, I remember that hysterical propaganda from ru media back then (I’m from Kharkiv a saw the whole thing unfolding). Police forces of Donetsk either bailed out or sided with armed ru irregulars, and that lead to what we had in 2014.
That “civil war” narrative is a complete reality twisting and horseshit.
Mumbas was invaded by kgb agent girkin with armed forces
You absolutely can have war without populous support. A civilized country can't occupy it long term, but Russia's standard tactic is to win the war then depopulate it.
no but the hundreds of FSB agents millions of rubels and ten thousand soldiers help