The Truth About Clutchless Shifting | MC Garage
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- If you’re like a lot of riders, you use the clutch every time you shift gears. But you’ve probably heard of clutchless shifting. What is it, how does it work, and is it going to hurt your bike? We explain in this video from the MC Garage.
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If you’re like a lot of riders, you use the clutch every time you shift gears. But you’ve probably heard of clutchless shifting. Clutchless shifting is exactly what it sounds like: It means switching gears without utilizing the lever on the left bar. It’s a pretty common practice on upshifts, can work with downshifts, and, if done correctly, won’t hurt your transmission one bit. Curious to know more? We explain it all in this video from the MC Garage.
How Does Clutchless Shifting Work?
As we showed you in our how a motorcycle transmission works MC Garage, the cogs in the transmission slide along shafts to shift from one position to the next. When you’re on the gas and accelerating, the gear teeth are pushed hard against each other. The same goes when you are off the gas and decelerating with engine braking and anytime there is a load on the transmission, it’s not going to want to shift positions and move to the next gear.
How To Clutchless Shift A Motorcycle Perfectly Every Time
So, to shift gears you have to unload the transmission. Traditionally that’s done by rolling off the gas and pulling in the clutch lever. But here’s the thing, when you roll off the throttle and the instant before you start decelerating with engine braking, the transmission is unloaded. Pull the shift lever right as you roll right off the gas and it will slip into the next gear without the clutch. Of course, you need to use the clutch to get your motorcycle moving, in first gear, and when coming to a stop. But why not use it at other times?
For upshifts, it can actually be smoother and quicker to shift without the clutch and that means faster acceleration. It’s also fun and satisfying to do since it takes some technique to get it right. You can clutchless downshift too but it’s a little bit trickier. You need to blip the throttle and press down the shifter right as revs peak and it works best if you’re on the brakes since that helps match revs. Clutchless downshifting takes a lot more finesse and technique and there’s no real advantage to doing it as long as you’ve got a functional clutch lever. If you don’t however because the lever is broken or the clutch cable snapped while you’re out on a ride, you’re going to want to be familiar with clutchless shifting so you can get yourself home.
Most new or used motorcycles clutchless shift just fine, but some bikes like those with heavy flywheels or wide-ratio gearboxes don’t take kindly to the technique, so don’t feel bad if you’re struggling. Other bikes like those with high-revving engines and close-ratio gearboxes seem like they slip into the next gear with almost no effort at all. It all depends on the bike you’re riding and the revs at which you’re shifting. In general, the higher the RPM, the easier it will be.
Will Clutchless Shifting Damage Your Motorcycle?
So, the big question, is clutchless shifting going to hurt your motorcycle? Remember that video we did about wheelies where I said that wheelies that are done right aren’t going to hurt anything. The same thing applies here. If you’re using a good technique the shift should be buttery smooth and everything should be golden. But, if you’re forcing the shifter or grinding the gears you’re definitely putting undue wear on your transmission.
An easy way to learn the technique for upshifts is to preweight the shifter with your toe and then air the throttle. As soon as you roll off the gas, the shift lever is going to move and the gears are going to change. Eventually, you’ll get a feel for the timing and you’ll be able to do it without preweighting your shifter and without even thinking about it.
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Does it work on a yamaha blaster
Please help
'pre-weighted' shifting = Shift Forks worn & farked in quick time...
A doubt. Can I clutchless downshift by blipping while maintaining a throttle just before blipping
Ever shift from 1st to second and miss it and hit neutral? Ya sucks haha
zach cooler all the time lol
Wear riding shoes or boots?
Try doing it at the face of a jump😪
Sometimes it occurs to me from 4th to 5th, or from 5th to 6th.
Very strange feeling.
First time I hit a false neutral between 3rd and 4th freaked me the fuck out 😂
Another thing to keep in mind: the shift from first to second is always the hardest one, because the transmission is jumping over a large space in between the two gears - neutral. Clutchless shifting in between first and second can jerk and clunk at low speeds, and can sometimes pop you into neutral if you're giving it the beans. Make sure your shifter and any linkages are also adjusted as tight as you can get them, and same goes for throttle play. Most of the time when I do it, I'll clutch it for that shift and blip for the rest.
Ian Mittelstaedt 100% agree
I own a 06 CBR1000RR and i was constantly battling catching 2nd gear. It seems like everything has to be spot on to hit second gear. Between the chain, linkage, dirty hydraulic clutch oil and the type of motor oil i used effected this. Some days the bike would let peek into what it was like to ride the perfect machine other days i felt like it had Turrets Syndrome. I started looking at the quickshifters and the different types you could purchase buy i was confused on why one was more elaborate then others. I almost purchased one from a company called Heal Tech and it wasn't a bad price but i couldn't figure out why were some so elaborate. i finally decided to see if i could replicate what these quickshifters were doing because the clutch isn't cutting it. This was a blessing from heaven OMG i never use my clutch except in first gear to get going. no matter how fast or slow your going just roll off that throttle and poof right into gear. The days of missing 2nd gear and hearing that awful dreaded sound of failure are over. Ive been using this technique for about a year and at first ill say its something you have to get use to. Its just one of those things now thats automatic like breathing. When you first start this technique have your foot pull up on the shifter with a little pressure and the roll off the throttle. It should slip in to 2nd, 3rd and so on with ease but if you don't have enough pressure on you shifter you might stay in the same gear. If you are in first and do this at high revs oh you feel like a f*cking tard so practice at low speed at first. Eventually you'll figure your bike out and it will be second nature like a total bad ass when your left arm is swagging shifting gears. Good luck and practice you'll never use your clutch again except in first. GOD Bless you all and be safe because everyone in a vehicle is to relaxed and pampered to give a shit about a motorcyclist working his machine in the elements. The reason these bikes are so fast is to get away from these slolw ass vehicles that want to kill you.Dont get upset when people pull out in front of you or cut you off its not like aware of you its because you aren't in there a minute ago and in a split second you are. I act like its a video game and everyone is out to hit me. Find your emergency exit paths you'll use them more then you think and you wont be as mad when you ride. This has helped me tremendously with riding and everyday life situations too. Example, You are on a blind date and she is a beastly, stinky greasy hog with no personality. you'll find a exit quick or if you dont you might be eaten by pigzilla the hun. i ramble a lot i hope you try everything mentioned and that's it. Bye bye gotta fly, 1 gear down i'm outta town, M.B.M.
I do the exact same. From 1st to 2nd, if i don't nail it perfectly. It's quite startling so I use the clutch only for 1st and 2nd gear.
I've never done it between 1st and 2nd because ive had trouble with slipping into neutral. I'm glad to know it's safe for my transmission though because I always worried that it was bad for it
Yeah, my MV Agusta Brutale jumped in and out from first gear to neutral a few times a few days ago, and it scared the living shit out of me. Pretty scary as the rear wheel went wild. It does not help that the sensitivity of the throttle is extreme on that bike 😮
i just tried this clutchless shifting, and it was awesome, my shifting became smoother and faster.
at first i was afraid that i might damage the gearbox, but now im pretty confident.,
thanks to this wonderful explanation.
I can't believe somebody actually knows what they are talking about. I've been doing this since I'm 15 years old. That's almost 50 years folks. I have had so many arguments with other bikers over the years about this technique that it ain't funny. I just quit talking about it for a long time. Glad somebody has the balls to put it out to the public.
And did you replace bikes often? The wear is there over time and if not consider yourself talented.
Not really. I still have a running bike that I bought new when I was 25 years old. Still runs like a top on the original plug.
Ok. I'll bite. What does that even mean? What's the mileage? This is like folks referring to their 40-50 years of riding experience like they're some kind of authority figure based on THAT when in fact they only rode a couple thousand miles total per year making them not an authority in the full context of their experience!
curvecrazy I haven’t rode as long but I have an old bike it’s a 1980 XS850.... has about 35,000 miles.... I but 15,000 miles on it myself. All without using the clutch to shift. No problems at all. The bike is way more responsive too.
TBull Cajunbreadmaker I also use this technique on bikes and 18 wheelers, "floating gears".Never had any mechanical issues in 27 years driving daily. It makes me think of the practice of using a car tyre on the back of a bike if the rim is wide enough to allow it (darksiders). You get those who swear by it and those who criticise it. At the end you do what works for you and let them do what works for them. It is rather pointless to try and convince those against clutchless shifting.
Just tried clutchless shifting and it felt awesome
And the sound! High revs, blip it in the next gear and it's UNREAL!!
Yes it’s so fun 🥵
At least you got to try it while you’re clutch cable was working (I assume), I had to learn when my cable broke while I was out riding, gotta say, stop lights were not fun lol
Omar S I’ve had it happen I just shut it off at a light
LowSlo 92 yea but you still gotta deal with the same issue when taking off from a stop lol
I am 53 and have been riding all my life. I have always done clutchless gear changes and have never had any gearbox problems with any bike.....
I'm 55, me too.
Same, done clutchless up-shifting for years with no issues :)
As long you do it right...then why not
Hes saying if you have bad timing with the shift and you like feel that "stick" to it and your basically forcing the shift, thats when it can start to put some wear and tear
Independent HAHAHHAA
Don't forget to shift fast, I mean click it into gear fast because when you do that slow, the geardogs can wear
Vary good point
They'll wear anyway. Give it time and continued clutchless shifting.
Mxrider2stroke Braaap yup my friend always has to skip his 2nd gear because it either pops off or does not come in to gear
nightmare in action nighmare in action Yeah i cant really shift into 2nd either because the shift is too long
And you get a jerk/buck from fuckin hell
What a wonderful example of a video. You formulate a question, set the theme, and, instead of waiting for the end of the vid to answer the question you made earlier, you answer it right along, without bullshit. Never change, guys.
Without question, the most informative English speaking channel on motorcycles.
Thanks Rory. Is there a better vid series out there in another language? Lay it on me!
I agree that if done correctly, there isn't much wear on hard parts, the problem is that not everyone knows how to shift with the clutch, let alone without it. I have never seen anyone tear up a transmission shifting with the clutch but I have seen quite a few torn up that were subjected to no clutch shifting.
random old dudes : *I've never used clutch for shifting in my entire life.*
clutch : *am i a joke to you ?*
They might have mistaken motorcycle for moped or maybe they stall each time they stop xD
@@MrGeoffrey1998 Or maybe we live in a place where we can really enjoy the bike, like in the mountains, where there is no need to stop every 20 meters!
When I see a rider shifting with the clutch, I immediately assume he/she's a beginner.
Also when you have a dry clutch, it is in your financial interest to keep it the less worn possible. These mofos are not durable at all and expensive to replace :D
@@Haplo59 yup true but it was sarcasm, i mean i know when you don't stop that much you don't need to use the clutch. And yup for dry clutch.
I personally try to quickshift as much as possible with my er6n, the problem is that sometimes the motorcycle really doesn't like it.. at high revs it's really smooth but when going mid low/mid RPM it just doesn't like it x)
Let’s not forget the old generation was afraid of front brake..
Punk ass kids : i know everything!
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I have only seen a few of these videos, but this guy is very clear, and answers my questions before I ask them. Well done, he doesn't stumble his words with 'uh...um...ya know...'. Highly recommended!
Exact same thought. He does a very good job explaining
These MC Garage vids are indispensable! Thanks for making them. And super glad to know my clutchless upshifts are on the mark, not to mention fun.
Thanks for the great explanation! Just done the survey in about 6 minutes. Not a big effort in comparison of what you do for all of us. Good idea to know more about your audiece. Thanks guys! Greets from the other side of the ocean.
Thanks Majes, much appreciated. We're glad you like the show.
Ese majes!!! 😎😎
Que pequeño es el mundo de la moto en CZcams!
A tirar cambios sin clutch sanos en la cbr majes? :v
Fernando Manetti siempre lo hago pero es interesante saber por qué no es dañino para la caja
I've been doing it for 20 plus years and never had a problem, its actually smoother than using the clutch if done right and better for a pillion as you don't jerk the same as with the clutch and guess what/? No more helmet banging!!!
You haven't been shifting very smooth with your clutch then
@@mooiboyace Or his clutch is dog shit lol, that's how my old mazdaspeed protege felt and my XL70 that I'm still riding.
Honestly one of the best series that covers almost everything. Simple and good talking. Congrats
Haha remind me the other day I accidentaly downshifted but it was super smooth, I was surprised it worked then I was worried it actually could damage my transmission, glad I fount this video
Awesome! We all appreciate the advice!
Great timing, I was using clutchless shifting both up and down for a while now and this video answered my questions.
Survey or no survey I'd like to let you know that I always appreciate your videos.Your professionalism and info are on point all the time. More times than not your videos are where I find the real answers.
I clutchless upshift and down shift my DRZ no problem. Easy bike to do it on. Most bikes are constant mesh transmissions so you won't damage it, and once you get used to it it actually becomes easier because you don't need to worry about the clutch. Plus it's quicker and smoother.
The gear teeth are constant mesh. But the shift dogs aren't. It's only logical that the shift dogs are going to wear more if they are under load when engaging. Shifting without the clutch is one of those things that, yes, certainly can be done, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. In the long run your transmission will thank you for using the clutch as intended.
@@barryervin8536 thats the thing, it isnt under load when you shift. Letting off the throttle under acceleration is enough to take the load off the trans.
@@barryervin8536 wrong
@@barryervin8536 Then why do the rekluse auto clutches work so well? By your logic shouldn't all these thousands of people running them be having problems?
same here on my DRZ
I do clutchless up shift on my cbr250r at 6k rpm.... it feels so smooth. I was doubting is it safe or not.... this video cleared my doubt. Thanks for making such awesome videos. 👍
Great video.I mastered clutch less up-down shifting almost 15yrs ago in my Suzuki Fiero 150.
You explain things in such a way that it feels so logical and easy to understand.
I watched this 2 hours ago, and when i went for a 5-minute ride to pick up food, i tried it. It felt awesome, on the first trip to the place, i one time tried clutchless shifting without preloading it first, it went perfect. Then on the return i got 1 snag, and preload shifted the rest of the way back. It was amazingly faster and felt amazing to do> THNX MC Garage
I love your content, and just filled out the questionnaire even though I live outside of the US - the least I could do after watching all your awesome videos! Especially a fan of maintenance related mc garage and the late "versys 300 vs crf 250 rally" video
Martin Fisker I enjoyed that video as well. Made me think about getting a x300
Same here. Living outside, made the survey and absolutely loved that video. Now I want a x300.
Thanks Martin, we're after all the feedback we can get. We appreciate you taking the time to fill out the survey.
You guys are wizards. I was just wondering about clutchless shifting earlier today, and BOOM video is available. Thanks for the tips!
Love your channel guys! Especially dispelling myths about bike care and such. (Killswitch, WD-40, clutchless shifting etc.)
That Dorso needs a review from you guys! Great video as always!
Clutchless shifting theory can be practiced with the clutch, too, with rev matching. The goal is to NOT have a large CHANGE in engine rpm after releasing (reengaging) the clutch. This “feeling” for rev matching is so-so for up shifting, but you can really feel & appreciate for downshifting. (I find it to be quite satisfying when executed well, to know I am putting less stress on wear components.)
Just completed survey. Fingers crossed. Good video once again. Thanks
I filled out the survey, but wanted to add that IMHO, product review videos often come across (are?) as Infomercials, and I RARELY am engaged for more than a moment, if I click on the video at all in the first place. While I respect the guy for putting himself out there and clearly doing well for himself, fortnine's channel is often like watching the Home Shopping Network.
I've been clutchless shifting for years. It's great for preventing helmet bumping when you have a pillion during acceleration.....
Or maybe just use the clutch lever like a normal person and have ur idiot pillion keep thier head away from yours dummy. Ever thought about that?
I am fine with not winning your prizes, man. The information you provide on videos like this is more than enough for me. I was basically a newbie on the bike and even little problems I take it to the mechanic. But after watching your videos, hell, now I can do half of the work myself.
You have confirmed what I intuited from riding - This video has completely changed the way I shift - my ride is so much more pleasurable now - thankyou!
Love your channel. Been riding for years but your tips are inspiring. Thanks. 🇬🇧
I learned this in driving school. Granted, the rules for driving licences are very different in Norway. We also learn how to safely lane-split, what to look for as signs to what the car drivers will do. We have mandatory 15~20 hours riding with instructors, as well as a driving exam. Still, a good video, with solid information, keep it up!
Same in Ireland, mandatory classes with instructor: theory and practice
I've been using clutchless shifts since I started. Ever since my grandfather got me stated on a four wheeler and told me to ignore the clutch lever I've been doing it. I did use the clutch for downshifting at first when I started riding but figured out it was smoother to not use it soon after. All in all follow the video, everything works as stated. I will say, don't go pussy-footing your shifts. Dog-boxes don't take kindly to being treated with weak input. They like deliberate actions. That being said, don't go at it like a 400 lb gorilla, but be deliberate.
I'm happy to see that they were flooded with responses for their survey and had plenty to shut in down after 2 weeks. Love these guys videos. Need them more, hope they get better backing and more funding. These guys should have a bigger show.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO! I cant seem to find any video addressing clutchless downshifting and its effects. This video definitely clears my concern. thanks again!!
I use this technique every day when riding hard both up and downshifts. Really helpful when in the twisties. 🔥 However when riding normally or pulling away from a stop I'll use the clutch to shift from 1st to 2nd just because it really sucks when you don't manage to get past N 😂
I also do this in dump trucks and 18 wheelers
Yeah, so do I with my truck and I love it.
Because they are not synchronized transmissions. you are the synchronizer. road speed and engine rpm.
Only way to describe driving a teen speed is like a long close ratio box but very short gearing
They are floating gaer transmission they are meant to be able to float gears you shouldn't do this in a synchro trans or a dog box without a proper electronic quickshifter installed
@Mike Kannard wtf are you talking about
Its very satisfying watch MC Garage and learn motocycles funtioning and principles in a simple and fast way.TKS
Great video as always. I do all the time down and up shifting with all my motorcycles.
I used to do it clutchless on my junker cb250 because it shifted pretty unsmooth with clutch. However on my regular bikes I only do clutchless on hard acceleration.
I wouldnt do 1st to 2nd personally and downshifting is higher risk too but higher gears at speed is smooth on most modern bikes.
As a motorbike lover thank you for all the knowledges.
Who dislikes a video like this?Even if you don't agree with pieces of it,say so who in the comments but recognize the quality and time invested
I had an R15 for a good amount of time, I always shifted up clutchless to get in front of traffic, never had a problem right to the day I sold it
What happened on the day you sold it? Did the ghost of the clutch come back and haunt you?
What do you mean, the point was it never died
I do clutchless upshifting when I do hard pulls for max acceleration. It's fun, easy, and badass. Clutchless upshifts are much faster than regular shifting.
Um no shit
Super short crisp and complete. Great video. Thanks a tonne
we really appreciate these videos Ari :) keep up the quality work!
Definitely smoother and quicker shifting up and down without clutch, I find if I pre load the lever just slightly in anticipation of rolling off the gas it just slips into the next gear with out any effort at all.
Buttery Smooth☺️
HIGHDEFMOTO its virtual smoothness. the cogs and dogs are stressed af
HIGHDEFMOTO pre loading the gear is a bad idea infact. It could cause unnecessary wear and tear as you're already applying slight pressure into a loaded transmission before taking the load off (releasing the throttle)
In all my years riding I've never had an issue with it.
@@amalkallarackal9293 Because SLIGHT pressure from your left foot is causing more damage than the 150hp fire breathing engine that's trying it's best to rip that little cog in half?
@@rassanity3292 who's giving that slight pressure??? Yes it'll be bad to do that
Just drop the throttle a bit and shift the gear just like you'd do with the clutch....
It's smoother and less jerkier than pulling the clutch and doing it.
Especially if you're at higher revs
Very informative!
kermit the frog 'informative' not 'informational'. My advice here is the former.
"informative"
Thanks.... I'm 12.....
Sorry kid..just my ocd
This was an excellent video and super helpful! Thanks!!! All your videos are fabulous. Well done!!!
Excellent video. I used to do clutchless shifting with my car. Now I will do it with my bike.
I'm from Malaysia 🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾
I've done it before...and hell yeah... everything work fine as fcuk...btw thx for the information given...it helps more to understand what is going on with the transmission n clutch lever
Fakhrul Firdaus wow...!!! The way you curse ,it makes me think that you have no clue the meaning of your name. Thanks..
I know about clutchless shifting. What I can't wrap my head around is all the clueless commentating.
So i had been experimenting with different gear shifts including clutchless shifting and this is really helpfull thanks a lot !
Your videos are fantastic! Thank you for all the information you put out.
Kudos Ari! Could you cover sometime the topic on how long you can ride a supersport in terms of mileage. I often hear that supersports don't last long due to their revvy engines. As an 06 daytona 675 owner i'm curious. Groeten vanuit Holland
arne brouwer I've put 85k+ on a couple sport bikes. Treat them right and they'll work.
I've got just shy of 45k on my 06 CBR600rr, only repair I've made besides basic maintenance was to replace the cam chain tensioner. Some of those are track miles too, and it still doesn't miss a beat
I'm at 80 thousand miles on my 02 ZX9R, its never seen a dealership and has been tuned and maintained by me since 10k miles, sweet as a nut on the original clutch with clutchless up changes from the start, ridden properly, though the output shaft bearing has worn out now so its getting replaced when the weather goes up a few degrees at which point I'll also inspect the change mechanism and transmission for wear.
I've started doing this since I saw this video over a year ago, and boy, my mates were shocked how I was shifting so quickly on the highways 🤣 always leaving them behind.
There's one more interesting thing about it: clutchless shifting at higher revs feels easier because we tend to let off the gas a lot, and it's really easier because the rev gap between gears is bigger in higher rpm's - for example, if you shift at 8.000rpm and the engine falls to 7.000rpm (1.000rpm gap), it will only lose 500rpm when you shift at 4.000rpm. So, the lower the revs, the less you have to let off the gas. Thanks for another excellent video, MC!
Please never close ur chanell. U r doing a very good work of removing the myths and ignorance from the minds of riders. The world needs people like you to spread truths.😃I loved your videos
Looking pretty buff Ari.
Bring back the dreads brah.
Spot on. I had to do this the other day when my hydraulic clutch slave cylinder leaked on my st1100. A mechanic told me it knackers the gearbox.. Rubbish. ☺
With all due respect ( and I respect you for your knowledge of roadcraft safety) go and watch Dirty Garage Guy. He demonstrates from an purely mechanical perspective ( more than what is given here in this inadequate video) how clutchless shifting damages the dogs and shift forks. Once you see his videos on Quickshifters and Clutchless shifting, you will never attempt an clutchless shift on your bike ever again. That is of course, if you do not want the costly repairs that will come from the gearbox damage done by clutchless shifting.
@kimw200blaze4 if timed right, it does no damage. Mistiming a clutch change does more damage. Best rule, if it sounds good,it is good.
@@RoadcraftNottingham
It's the accumulative damage that occurs when you clutchless shift. Dirty Garage Guy explains it well. It's got nothing to do with it not sounding right. Go watch his videos on this topic I would suggest. A Quickshifter is completely safe as it cuts the ignition completely and kills completely the RPM load. Clutchless Shifting does not. It lowers the RPM load but that load is going to hit the dogs and shifter fork hard. And then the damage accumulates. I've got nothing more to say.
Just started riding.....I feel more confident that I won’t get plowed when taking of from a stop sign using this technique....so glad I tried this👍
Thanks for the visual on how to clutchless shift. It helps a lot.
Sometimes I forget that not everyone grew up beating the shit out of dirt bikes and have to be taught this stuff.
So true, growing up in motocross, it is faster and often necessary on a track. and it just kind of stay with me to street, although in a nicer manner towards the bike.
my first bike had such a stiff clutch lever as an 8 year old it wasnt feasable to clutch every upshift
I always clutched because I wouldn't let off the gas from full throttle while shifting the 85 lol
What he said
And for those that damage their transmission while doing it wrong let me know in the comment bellow lol
Tomos13 Lol, I did, the drive chain was the first thing noticably affected in my case tho', I had to tighten it up much more frequently doing clutchless shifting on daily basis
Nguyễn Cường you need to oil and clean your chain properly
Petar Boshnakov I do clean my chain rather frequently, particularly once every one or two weeks (tropical area, and I'm on a 150cc bike), I just learnt that with the same cleaning interval, clutchless shift caused more damage than conventional shift
Nguyễn Cường that's very interesting. Is your chain slack like 2 inches because if it is too tight it will stretch prematurely
Petar Boshnakov I knew how to service my chain. But the point is, I was clutchless shifting incorrectly, which put stress on the transmission and eventually damaged it, the drive chain was the most obvious sign
Dude, best channel for information! keep it up!
I am from India and did the survey just to help this channel grow because this channel is super awesome and deserve to grow more and more.
I've done it and know many bikers like to do it but why take the risk of damaging the gearbox (specially downshifting) if we have a good clutch? Thks for another video.
corujariousa
Not sure, but me and pops can't wait till his new ktm rc390 is broken in so we can check out its slipper clutch...
that should add some fun to the ride.
corujariousa It won’t hurt it. However you can hurt the clutches... by using them all the time
What do you do with all that extra time you "save" with shifting so much faster?
beat the M5 you are racing? lol
replace the trans from extended wear
I used to clutchless upshift on my Honda cbr600 cause it was smoother than clutching and as long as I had rolled off the throttle it would change gears with little to no resistance. I don’t know if it did any damage but I would always clutch for downshifts.
It mainly used for racing, when I go full gas I dont use the clutch bc its much faster to not do so
I waited to answer you
Very useful, must have skill. Once my clutch cable snapped when I was almost home (5km). without any work shop near by, I rode home clutchless. No complications or damage to bike whatsoever.
Thank you! I asked for this and you delivered!
I love doing this on my Strom for no reason lol
You dah man!! Thanks but no thanks! Clutch all day for me.
hi bro, im from the Philipines and all of your vids are so much reliable to us here in the Phil.
Great explanation! I wish this video and others like it would cause this controversy to stop. It's such a simple technique and does not hurt anything. I'm to the point that if anyone disputes the simple fact that clutchless shifting is not harmful, they lose all credibility. The horror stories derived from people that dispute this are only hiding their mechanical issues and operator error.
"If your like most people, you use the clutch every time you shift"- the only people that i know that clutch every gear is harley riders
Hardly Ableson :)
@ZX-12R You do unload the gearbox momentarily. When you go from being on the throttle (positive torque) to being on engine braking (negative torque) what happens in the middle?
@Gordon Gekko Wow, you sound like you know what you're talking about.
Did the Survey yesterday, this was great to watch, I did this on my old ‘07 ZX-14 a bit, upshifts we’re actually easy, I couldn’t get downshifts.
Another informative video, keep up the good work. I was happy to do the survey.
I'm sneaking out tonight at 3am to try this on my dad's new mustang GT.
I damaged my transmission just by watching this video
Lol
Ditto, and mine doesn't even have a transmission.
well you dident do it right
After I watched this video, my bike blew into pieces
Rebuild watching another video !!
Great to see this video content. I made a suggestion on your website several months back to cover this topic as I am sure others have as well. Thanks again.
You guys do a really great job, thanks for sharing!
Preloading the shift lever too often will result in burnt shift forks and gears, not a good practice.
MerlinxPV it’s just to start off
Wrong
Burnt shift forks?
It can be done without preloading,just need proper timing
People seriously think just jabbing it in over preloading is better is just stupid and they ovioslsy don't no how change gear correctly. Yes it can if timed right u can do that more at high rpm
I already did that back in driving school
My teacher though it's not good
It really works fine. Now that was something ari thank you. I tried it on my ride and was like blown away by how it shifts!
Excellent video. Thanks.
News flash, this just in. During street riding just chill the hell out and use the clutch. You'll live longer.
Ok guys, stop having fun, Lord of the safety police has arrived to inform you all that clutchless shifting will kill you
'02 Goldwing rider here. I rarely use the clutch on upshifts between second and fifth. I also rarely get above 2500 rpm. I _am_ chilling; that's why I ride a couch on two wheels on back roads. Clutchless shifting is just smoother and more intuitive. I do it in manual transmission cars too; all the Mack trucks I used to drive would not allow the use of the clutch for up or downshifts. A clutch is a crutch for bad drivers as far as shifting goes; as long as you've matched the input and output speeds, there is nothing at all wrong with dispensing with the clutch. If I do use the clutch, it's usually rougher, takes much longer, and is way more annoying. Becuase the 1.8 liter six cylinder engine is just so gigantic, I usually don't even downshift; for most decelerations, I just let fifth gear drag me down to twenty-five mph or so, then use the back brake to slow down as I pull in the clutch and shift down to second or first. Looking forward to the rumored 2018 hybrid Dual Clutch Automated Manual.
Clutches are for wheelies, not changing gear.
Fredrick Bartsch Jr. Eh...I always clutchless upshift 2nd and above, even on the street. Mostly, I'll short shift up to 5th or 6th (clutchless) so my bike isn't noisy and attracting attention..even at 30mph. Clutchless shifting has nothing to do with going fast.
It won't affect how long you live. This just in. You don't know how to do it so you think no one else should.
Shame the survey requires name, address, and phone number to be eligible for the prizes. Of course you find that out after you've spent the time to fill out the survey.
u need not put ur phone number and address. I didn't. I am not from U.S so I just filled it to give my opinion about the channel.
It's the law.
How did you want to receive the prize? By email?
I have no trouble filling out the survey. I'm glad they take the time to make these videos and I'm more than happy to do my part to share some feedback, when asked. I'm not a fan of signing up for spam though. I'd rather be notified of my winning before giving out my address and all that just as a general practice to cut down on junk mail.
I do the same thing at Home Depot, and other stores, when they ask for all that info. I'm not going to give them all of my contact info just for a bucket of nails. When they ask, I just say we can skip that part. My contact info is not part of the sale because I don't want them to contact me.
wimmisky , sweepstakes only need one contact method for alerting a winner. If you follow the sweepstakes rules and then go to the privacy policy you'll see that the sweepstakes is considered a 3rd party collecting the info for whatever purposes they want (if it's only for contacting the winner, that would be specified there) and if you don't provide everything you're ineligible to win. Expect a lot of extra marketing calls and mailers giving your name, address, and phone number to a third party. Your info is worth way more to them than your chance of winning a prize is to them.
Perfectly explained! Thanks for this!
Great explanation of how to do it and why.
I have done it but the clutch is there for a reason. A pointless and possibly expensive habit for road use
Josh Bobst A thousand dollar gearbox repair on my buddies zx10r after he fancied his chances clutchless for a while says different maybe. Every gear bar first had damage. A totally smooth shift isn't guaranteed. I just find it a pointless thing to do on the road..
Josh Bobst
Motorcycle transmissions are not synchromesh. They use dogs not synchros. Motorcycle transmissions are constant mesh while car transmissions are not.
rahgahnah As said before, genuinely don't see the point on the road. I don't recall ever reading in any owners manual that it's fine to shift without the clutch. A personal choice at the end of the day..
Yeah people often mix up poor shifting with clutch less shifting. Bad shifting technique will damage a bike no matter if you're using the clutch or not. Doesn't matter either way if done correctly. Nothing wrong with using the clutch though just a little slower and adds some hesitation depending how fast you do it. And if you do it quick enough it's basically a clutch less shift anyway
Jay B yes. That reason is for coming to a stop.
Thanks for this clear explanation.
Always liked how detailed u r...Keep it up Mate...Cheers!!
Great video and very true. When I raced MX, we, (me and everyone else) never used the clutch except on starts for the most part. Never had a gear box issue. And we really hammered those bikes. I still don't use the clutch much on my dirt bike, but always do on my bagger.