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Secrets Of Acoustic Treatment Using Off The Shelf Panels : Building A Studio Pt. 2
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Today, we have another video showing how we are changing a small kids bedroom into a control room with the help from our friends at Sweetwater! In this video we are showing you how we added our Acoustic Treatments to the room.
Gavin Haverstick from Haverstick Designs is joining us to help with the acoustic design of our room and passed along his tips and tricks to share with you!
Here is an overview of the Acoustic Treatments we are using the room:
Reflection control is created in the room using the 2 inch FulFill Panels from Acoustical.
The back wall has the Acoustical FulFillment Flex 48 panels which is a patented panel that is a diffuser when you want it to be, and an absorber when you want it to be, depending on what you need it to be that day. It is great to keep it on the back wall since the mix position will have the speakers pointed and firing towards the Flex 48, which can be a nice bass trap.
The ceiling should have FulFillment panels above the mix positionl, but then we are also adding the pArtScience Space Array Diffusers which will be going on the ceiling and door. What they do is the scatter sound, allowing you to control the room without it sounding dead/lifeless.
Covering windows with curtains will not only provide reflection control, but it will also absorb some of the energy, and provide you with more control over the ambience of the room with you being able to open and close them. They will help muffle outside sound from bleeding in.
The Auralex ProGo 26 will go in front of the closet in the room, which is the first reflection point. There is no way to treat this specific closet because it is a bifold door, so the moveable treatment is a great option.
The combination of all of these treatments should be a great help in creating a awesome mix room!
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Here is the second in the series of our affordable Studio build! We are putting together a studio using off the shelf panels and Acoustic treatment! Come back once we have the speakers in and we will continue the process and see if there's any additional need for low end treatment! Have YOU ever treated a room before? Let me know your treatment tips and tricks below!
We filled the window with layers of sound board and foam. Made some giant baffle things we can move around but they are way to heavy. We have some foam and other things tacked up in the higher parts of the walls and some big bass trap cylinders in the corners. All this so we don't piss the neighbors off but so far it's worked. We are moving into a big room so this will be helpful.
I just got bac to my parents' for Christmas and found a stash of Egg Boxes in the kitchen. I might have a go!
My room is more or less the same.. maybe a foot or two longer. I’ve got only one 55” window but it’s at the back… sooo I’ve gotta get my hands on the curtain 😀… thx .. great video as usual 👍. And good to see your both hands functioning 😎
Haven’t treated a room yet but the kids had some quilts made by their great aunt. She put loops on them and a piece of wood through the loops and their grandma bought 2-way over door hooks to hang them on the door. I have hung them on the bunk beds, but they could be used for wardrobe doors.
Literally about to treat my new room in LA. Sadly it's an L shape... If fancy helping feel free :D
haha.
My 5 year old is loving this series on your channel. She loves videos on building things. Usually she runs when I turn on your show, which I of course am a huge fan of. Cleverly, she calls it "Borin' Warren".
Today was fantastic because we watched together, both of us glued to the tv. She likes to watch the studio being built, I'm super interested in the hows and whys of your treatment. Fun mini series!
Haha thanks Liam! My 7 year old isn't interested in watching me either! Glad to be able to help!
I worked on the construction of a rehearsal studio in the late 70s.
The back wall of the room needed to dampen sound levels to the other side, which was an office and hall area. We framed two 2x6 walls with a 10" space between. The walls were floated. We were able to ge a huge velour theater curtain for free, which we hung between the walls with a cable. We achieved a huge DB Down.
You always need to be creative.
Rainbow rehearsed for their "Down to Earth " record in the studio a few years later....
Oh just laying here at 2:00am on a work night watching Warren treat a room. I will be dragging tomorrow morning.
Thanks! Stay tuned more to come!
Wow the difference in sound was huge when the curtains were in place at the very end! Very cool video! Thank you!
Yes, it all adds up together to create something amazing
It seemed that the biggest difference was that there was still quite a bit of boxy midrange reflection left in the room that the curtains really gobbled up after installation. Night and day. Start at 14:10 and hear the dramatic improvement.
@@edwardx.winston5744 marvellous! More to come!
Another good source for curtains is MoonDream. I believe their velvet "soundproof" curtains knock down incoming noise by -12dB.
Thanks for the tip!!
"What is that? Velvet" 😆sorry couldn't resist the COMING TO AMERICA reference
@@carlotvalentin haha nice!
@@carlotvalentin "maaaaaaan....you ain't never met no Frank Sinatra...."
@@saladdaze7375 😂😆🤣
Great stuff. Amazing to hear the room acoustics changing as the elements are installed.
Thanks ever so much John!
Glad to see it coming together so quickly! Looks great! Can't wait to see the gear!
Thanks Erik! You and me both!
Love the look of those ceiling ones. Cudos to the cameraman for holding his ground while your fingers were separating from your hand haha!
These videos have come at the perfect time for me, I will be treating a similar room in my house right after Christmas, Thanks Warren!
You are so welcome! Glad to be able to help!
It is coming together quite nicely i must say, and it is useful information for us who don't have treatment yet, I got my studio in a attic room and it is the next step I want to do
Thanks! Glad to be able to help
Thank you very much. This room is gonna look as good as it sounds! Looking forward to the rest of the series!
Glad you like it! Thanks ever so much!
My tracking/jam room is treated with bass traps from GIK Acoustics -- did it over 10 years ago now. Worked out great. I've been waiting on a bunch of treatment from them since Sept for my mixing room (supply chain issues,...ugh). Anyway, looks great Warren!
Hi Billy! Thanks ever so much for sharing!
The treatment made a HUGE difference. Not surprised, but always so satisfying to hear the sounds from both the videos.
Congrats on a new control room, Warren!
Thanks ever so much! More to come! We don’t have any speakers up yet haha
Wow, the difference once those curtains went up was amazing! Great work… another perfect source for learning what to do and how to do it. Thanks for sharing! 🎚😀
Exciting times! Every success in your new room 💚
Thanks ever so much
Nice job, thanks for the tips! Right before you put the curtains in, I thought it was odd because I heard a lot of sibilance in your speaking voce, like in an empty bedroom almost. That was ameliorated in the final shot.
I am in a bedroom that is fairly small, but has a queen size bed (head at opposite side of room from desk/monitors), which makes it just possible to put a studio chair at my desk. I also have a couple of bookcases and put a Psy Acoustic panel above my headboard opposite my monitors. I also put heavy curtains behind the desk, covering french doors to the backyard. Also, the room is carpeted in thick pile.
From my understanding, the bed and carpet should help with dampening and the filled bookcases can act as diffusers. I haven't really checked it, but am getting the Sonarworks microphone so I can see what it says about my setup. What I hear is not a lot of reflection, but I do have a wooden armoire to the side of the monitors that now rattles since I added a KRK 8" Sub to join the Rockit 5" monitors I've been using. This is my first year (at 60 years old), which I've spent collecting the hardware and software and learning piano and finger drumming.
My question is, how do you troubleshoot and help a bedroom that has to serve double duty?
Thanks for all your videos, enthusiasm for music, and positive attitude!
Was surprised at how good the room sounds on that iPhone recording, no crazy reflections and still alive enough that it’s not a anechoic chamber lol. You could record some acoustic guitars and have a nice sound in there and it’ll still sound very direct.
Well done, can’t wait to see it all done!
Yes! I’m very happy with how it sounds! Already sounds better than most very expensive rooms I’ve worked in!
Building a home studio now - a completely separate space. I have no construction experience, so it's been a fun project. For the treatment, I'm going with some "off the shelf" products and some DIY. I'm opting for Prime Acoustic "Nimbus" over the mix position, and Prime Acoustic "MaxTrap" for the bass traps. I'm going to build additional broadband absorbers using Bradford Martini Absorb XHD (basically it's a dense polyester batt). I'm also building diffusion panels too.
Amazing how much difference the acoustic curtains made. Great video as always Warren. I learned a ton! Thank you! 🙏
This is a very nice series and the room did come out well.
Thanks ever so much Peter!
Looking awesome! Glad to see you working hard for once ;)
Hahahaha thanks Lee!
Hi Warren, Great job on this. Thank you for sharing. I had a similar issue with windows in my writing room. I also used heavy duty curtains similar to what you have there. I found by adding a some additional curtain panels to each window and really making big pleats with the extra material noticeably increased the external noise reduction and the internal absorption. Not perfect (still hear leaf blowers) but better Thanks for everything you teach!
Wazza whipping out the power tools. Love it 🎸😎
Haha thanks
Thank you Warren for shepherding this build that millions of us can take ideas from. Happy Christmas!!!
Thanks ever so much Robert!
Pretty cool side effect of the video. From start to finish you can hear your voice get crisper and cleaner and natural reverb dissipate. Your voice at the end was, well, record ready.. one for treatment for sure
Thanks Brian!! I really appreciate it
Thanks for a Very intersecting video, I'm almost done treating my room DIY and the improvement is already remarquable it was a long journey and I was at some point verry disappointed by some Cie working in the Acoustic Fields that just dismiss out of hands the work that I did following the guidance of people like You. So thanks again for sharing your knowledge and for everyone watching, don't get discourage keep on improving your room and skills and I'll see you on the PLAP
Nice room, Warren, and nice to see your hand is on the mend, too.
I filmed the first part before I broke my wrist
@@Producelikeapro My mistake, but get mended soon and back at it.
@@revelkramiii3588 no problem! Thanks for the concern! I appreciate it
I like seeing the techniques used to hang the wall panels. It would be even cooler to see how you guys hung the stuff on the ceiling!
I just moved into a new house! This is perfect!
Thanks ever so much!!
Glad to be able to help
Just got that desk in Grey Wenge. Love it.
Thanks for the information
I’m in the process of doing a build for my control room and live room. Awesome
Thanks Carlos
Love the look of that desk.! Super curious about the gear you choose to put in there. Loving the series, thank you!!
Thanks ever so much Chris!
Excellent. I'm looking forward to see and hear the room in action.
Thanks ever so much Kelly
Love your videos and how you stick to the point and not trying to be a lifestyle influencer.
After some serious absorption treatment I have a 118hz resonance that's killing me at my 2x4 meters room, getting inspired here. 😀
Thanks ever so much for your great comment!
Yay for the good guys!! Very informative for us home studio guys. Looks great - interesting to hear what you think of the sound in later eps.
Thanks ever so much!
So cool! Am excited to see part 3
Thanks Ian!
Looks great Warren thats more or less just like my room it a 10' x 12' long I treated it with auralex panels and scater blocks on the back wall and a panel on the wall in front of my console and a cloud on the cieling above were I sit when I mix. I love it. Your room looks sharp mate 🤘
I didn’t know there were acoustic curtains! I always learn something useful from you 🙏😎
These are pretty darn awesome!
Looks fabulous! Be well.
Thanks ever so much
Looking great Warren!
Thanks ever so much
Sir Warren, how exciting! Great job dude! Envy factor: 200%
Thanks ever so much Brian!
It turned out to be a really nice looking studio too!
Thanks ever so much
So darn cool, Warren. Can't wait for the next progress report video :)
HI Rick! You and me both! Thanks ever so much!
very instructive video thanks greetings from spain
Looking good. Congrats. Similar choices to my home studio that I built in 2019.
Fantastic! Thanks ever so much for sharing
Fantastico. Very useful information. Big smiles. 😊😊
Thanks ever so much!
Super interested to know about total person-hours spent on the room so far? Would definitely be curious for a quick rundown on assembly and installation time once the room is complete; helpful to understand the context beyond the video edits.
Definitely going to many more parts to this series! We do have the plans for download
Looks like a really cool room!
Great job!
Glad you like it!
Nice job! I'm sure that will be a nice space for recording.
Thanks Alan!
Great series. Fantastic stuff
Thanks ever so much!
Lovely!
The building style in the US is defenitely easier for mounting panels. Here in The Netherlands it would all be concrete on outer walls so it is some more serious drilling.
In LA most of the houses are wood framed, I imagine it's to do with earthquakes
woow the curtains made a lot a difference !!
Yes, they certainly did!
Damn Warren you’re so cool for doing this
Thanks ever so much
Was hoping for a before and after sound test of the room. Like what you guys did with it though. Looks great!
Looking great my friend
Thanks ever so much Diego!
Looking good, Warren. That's a similar size and treatment to my room (GIK). The Sonarworks room calibration software helped me to nail the final tweaks I needed - I'd recommend you give it a whirl if you weren't planning to already. Second time I've commented about it on a post of yours - not a shill (honest guv) - just trying to spread the word. Looking forward to hearing how it's worked out.
Fun,not certain you took any measurements, would be interesting to compare rt60. One thought if someone feels industrious it would be very easy to cut triangular tops and bottoms for your corner and soffit absorbers and cut two sides and then stuff the backs with insulation cut as small super chunks(4x8, cut in half, then cut the two 4x4 diagonally), that would increase your low bass control a lot . If you find you want more mid band absorption also easy to deepen your current panels and add more material. Great looking new space , be great to see it with gear too !
Yes I agree with Mathttew, since this is a small room it is very important to treat low bass right (60-130 Hz) and you need something for the tops and bottoms of your corners to control low end. That is where you can trap most of the bass. The whole freq spectrum will sound better because the problem in the higher freq also come bececause those are also multiples of low freq . Watch some of the youtube videos of acoustic treatment in a small room. I treated mine without much money years ago and the traps in the triangular corners made the most difference in the bass.
Nice, found out i needed extra curtain panels to get more folds in my room which improved performance.
Marvellous
@@Producelikeapro didnt believe it myself but after hanging the curtains, playing with the amount folds there was a noticeable change in sound signature.
Great job! Only thing I would suggest is a laser level to make sure everything is uniformly level.
Thanks for the tip!
Hey Warren. I was wondering if you have done and if you haven't could you do an episode on a pretty serious subject of tinnutus? I think it would be a really good thing to inform people about the danger of it and how to protect ones hearing and what to do if you get it or suffer from it. You have a lot of reach and I think people take you seriously so you could be a big help to many people. Especially since musicians are at at a much greater risk of getting it. I would be surprised if you did not know anyone who has it. I dare to say you could actually save some lives. Thanks.
Congrats 🎊🎉🎈🍾
Thanks ever so much
Warren, are you a Trekkie? I can see the Vulcan salute in the thumbnail.
Of course! Aren’t we all!
Awesome studio Warren. Kind of jealous! 😄
You’re very kind
It will be nice like to see the graph of the room.
Auralex has an app you can download on your cell phone too but it looks like you got hour room coming along great brother. Cheers 🤘
It is looking GREAT..I do have the same desk that you just got.. I do love my desk...The only issue that I have with this desk is that the two small wheels in the front of the desk that slide out will crack and break. It seems when they choose the angle for the rails they put it on a slight angle. And it tends to lean forward. So what happens is if you have a weighted keyboard on the sliding rails..What happen is when you extend The sliding portion out it puts pressure on the wheel because its on an angle sloping down by 2/16 of an inch. I had to remove the wheels to compensate for this issue and elevate the base by a 1/4 of an inch so the sliding part will be perfectly even with the floor.. Even with this issue ,I still love the Desk. The Company that made the Desk sent me replacement Rails and replacment Wheels for futrur issues. That was great that they did that .!!
I'm thinking of getting a Zaor desk!
@@leefchapman Yeah if you can swing it go for it and it’s a little pricey.!! I was able to get my Roland fantom g8 on it and it just clear the top of the desk.
Thanks ever so much for sharing Edwin!
Hey Warren!
Hello!
Waw beautiful
very good. i wonder how you tame the below 150Hz Decay Time in your Freq Response
Nice! But I hope that when you reinstall the Smoke Detector it doesn't throw the whole thing off. :) Oh but seriously, make sure to test the batteries in those things every 6 months and replace as needed.
Thanks for the video.
Just noticed the ECB cap on the monitor back there. Though I've seen that red dukes on your console quite often! Shame with the ashes this time 'round!
If is what it is! I watch ALL Cricket, Willow is my friend! Haha
The result is amazing both in the way it looks and in the way it sounds. The key question is how much did all this acoustic treatment cost? The sum.
love the red curtains!!!
Thanks ever so much
Happy New Year
I have made the mistake, unkowingly of over deadening the room, and for ages my drum sound was just so, so dull, I was therein over-reliant on Verbs and extreme EQ's on the snare/overheads to give it life. I wish I'd known earlier what I was doing wrong.
It looks fantastic and that desk is smoking.
Thanks ever so much
It's almost like Christmas .. wait ... looks great
Almost! Hahaha
Very informative thank you! Can you explain why the corner traps don't go from floor to ceiling? Thanks again.
Because they don't really need to. They can, for sure. But so long as it controls the low end at listening height, it's typically sufficient.
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I'm moving to Central Europe, and I'm sure I'll have to record in a concrete room. I don't know if you would have experienced a similar thing in England as I'm sure the style of construction is different there than Central Europe. That said, I'd love your thoughts on how to treat a concrete room or whether it's even possible.
I really like the choice of the ceiling treatment! What are they? This room is really coming together :) Thanks so much for sharing the process Warren!
The ceiling treatment is a combination of FulFill Panels from Acoustical Fulfillment and SpaceArrays from pArtScience. Thanks for the comment!
@@haverstickdesigns Thank you so very much for your answer! What a neat field of expertise :)
@@haverstickdesigns thanks ever so much for the great detail!
@@commontimeproductions you guys Rock!
Hey Warren, great video. How are you going to deal with fan noise from computer and HD's? I use a macbook pro with external monitor in my setup and the fan noise from macbook and external hard drives are annoying.
If you live in L.A. Those curtains only cost what a burger and fries for two would cost huh? Nice video showing how easy it is to hang those panels. I could make all that stuff myself. I'll just the room divider type setup (portable/adjustable) so I don't have to worry about getting my deposit back when I move.
Cheers
Thanks Alberto!
I can't see much more noise leaking out the street than if you had a tv going loud. I'm looking forward to how you work out if you need more bass treatment - Will you use your ears, or a microphone going into equipment that shows the frequency spectrum (actually every DAW has one of these in the eq plug ins)
Are going to use GLM or SW for digital room correction? Also can you do a video on the before and after of the digital room correction.
It would have been great if you measured the room's response before and after the treatment. Oh well... Next time perhaps? Cheers from Chicago Warren!
Thanks for your comment! Regarding measuring an echoey open room compared to a traverse one. Maybe? I think if it were incremental then I would understand. The difference is massive!
I like your Michael Jackson dangerous era black glove warren .... very hip 😂
Haha ah yes! The splint look haha
Hi love your show,can you share some information about the low frequency treatment in the room(or some measurements if any) or it wasn't in the badget?
The treatment goes down to 80hz and once we get the speakers in there we will do further testing to see if there’s anything additional needed. As I’m sure you’re aware it’s a fairly small room with no subwoofer so I’m not anticipating any major issues in the low lows. However, we will address that once we are playing music in there
@@Producelikeapro thanks for your reply! If the room is small and the walls are made from hard material you probably will have problems in the low freq but if the walls are "soft" you Will have less...good luck and love your work
Don't think you said in the video Warren but did you go with the Brick color curtains?
Curious as to what the power requirements (have you had to upgrade?) you have in this room and the existing room where you have all of that fantastic analog gear?
This is going to be predominantly less analog than the other studio, so we have balance
hey Warren i trust you have been following The Ashes? Australia just troo good mate! Joe Root got the WORST hit to the important bits . i love cricket ! But you know what i dig more?.... A treated room! epic episode buddy
Haha thanks! Oh yes, I've been following the Ashes..enough said! As long it's not another whitewash!
Is it ok to leave my carpet on the floor in a room similar to your small room? Any advice will be helpful.
I hear a BIG difference! :-)
Fantastic
Anybody have any experience with vocal booths to go sound blankets? That curtain looks nice as well from Rosebrand, I got to check them out as well
We have a vocal booth video coming soon!
Warren, you sound like Kevin McCloud from Grand Designs at the very end :D
Haha I don't know him!
I would kill for that room.
I’m very excited! Already sounds wonderful
@@Producelikeapro heck yeah!
@@IanJamesBeats thanks Ian!
Nice cozy space.....looking good 👍........so basically you STABBED the Owens Corning panels in order to hang them!, very medieval like 😱.
Can't remember how many times I've been lowering a desk, and ran out of room like that!......help! 😵
Curious to see what monitors you put in there?
So everyone in the comment section is an acoustician?....wow that's awesome. 😒
Haha it's inevitable! Also, all conflicting advise. However, I freely encourage open discussion to help! I'm no expert, I know when to ask for help, hence why we asked Gavin!
The thing I was most interested in was the thought process behind the treatment in the ceiling, but not much about that, regardless great video an great room
You can download all of the info. Many thanks, Warren
Hey Daniel - The ceiling was treated with 2" FulFill Panels from Acoustical Fulfillment to hit the first reflection points from the speakers. pArtScience SpaceArrays are added in the rear of the room to break up floor-to-ceiling reflection and create an area of the room that would be nice to record string or percussion instruments. There are also horizontal bass trapping between the wall/ceiling junctures. Thanks for the comment!
@@haverstickdesigns thanks for sharing that detail! I really appreciate it!