Brooks Ghost Max
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- This is the Brooks Ghost Max. And it’s got pretty much every change that I’d want to see for the popular Ghost line. More stack. More cushion. Less drop. So is it any good? Or is this now a Homer Simpson car of a running shoe? It’s time to lace up the Ghost Max and take it for a run
0:00 intro
0:47 Disclosures
1:06 Specs
3:37 What’s it Like
6:30 Pairing Options
7:42 Alternatives
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Ever since my buddy pointed out to me that Kofuzi ends every other sentence with a period between the last. couple. words. I just can’t un-hear it 😂.
😂 Damnit. I can't un hear it either. Lol
You have infected everyone with this knowledge 😅
It’s not bad frankly
Thank you for spreading the disease😂
At least he isn’t yelling at the viewers like so many CZcams presenters.
As a bigger runner (6’, and 225 lbs) I gotta say I LOVE these. I have about 150 miles on them so far and primarily use them for my recovery and easy road miles. I personally felt they were firmer than the ghosts, but the lower heel drop and the overall fit of them felt perfect. As for my speed days with strides and intervals I use the ASICS superblasts. As a primary trail runner I use the La sportiva jackal 2’s.
Thanks for the feedback!
I appreciate it when you do what you’ve done here and describe who you think would best like the shoe and where it fits in a rotation! Really appreciate the quality of this content!
Thanks for watching
I have been running in a Brooks Ghost for about a year and a half. I like the comfort and the durability of the shoe. I liked it so much that I bought a second pair. However, I just got a pair of Glycerin 20’s, and I absolutely love them. The comfort, to me, is much greater. Also, they feel lighter on my feet. I also got a pair of ASICS Novablast 3’s. The Novablast and the Glycerin’s seem to compliment each shoe nicely. The ride is a little more cushy in the Glycerin’s, but the Novablast’s have a little bit better return. I love both of these shoes, and I smile when it is either shoes turn in my shoe rotation.
This might be the greatest shoe review video ever. I don't remember hearing the words 'gussetted' or 'lockdown'. Finally! Excellent job.
Glad it was helpful!
Appreciate this review immensely! Was actually about to pull the trigger on the Saucony triumph RFG but wanted to research more on daily runners and came across the ghost max. Saw your review and boom your comparison with the triumph RFG made up mind on what to pick! Great great review 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I have the More V4 also, and I like this shoe even better. Not as soft of a ride as the More V4, but better energy return, and it can really chew up those miles with ease.
Definitely a set it and forget it shoe
I just picked up the More v4 for the first time, arrived today and incredible fit... I think they'll be ideal for that backyard ultra in May. For $100, I can already tell I made a good choice.
I feel like it’s similar to the Altra Via Olympus too. Looks big and soft. Feels firmer than expected underfoot. But kinda still works.
Nice price comparison and product comparison kofuzi... I own a pair of Brooks Ghost Max and notice a lot of changes but it's way too muddy where I live to test a pair...... but do enjoy my Brooks Ghost 15 GTX in all the bad weather!!
Your bigger, taller friend does in fact enjoy the Ghost Max. Good call.
Thanks for the backup, Drew
Great review, as always! I'm holding out for the Hyperion Elite 4 in February though!
The shoes are pretty different. I could see owning both at the same time (it could replace the Endorphin Pro 3 in my suggested rotation)
Always appreciate a reference to Homer's car
It sucks that there have been a lot of Homer Simpson car references in pop culture lately. But it has always been a regular part of my vocabulary, especially when people talk about designing their own shoes
I just transitioned from Ghost 15 to Glycerin 21 after getting my knees hurt on trail running. I must say, I love my Ghost line and been using them for the last 8 years. I then noticed that the Ghost Max exists but I already bought the Glycerins. Who knows, maybe after a while, I’ll buy the Ghost Max too.
The rocker really works great for my biomechanics, I love the “moderate” level of plushness (don’t need any more) because it’s sleek and runs light for this category, and it’s nimbler for picking up the pace and more stable. Of course I have plenty of other shoes for speed work. I’m not big or tall as you know but can’t stand the sink-in marshmallowy super high stack options. This shoe should get even more interesting in v2 with the nitrogen infused midsole.
Love your channel! Very high quality useful and entertaining content. I recently purchased the Brooks Ghost and shortly thereafter the Brooks Ghost Max. Happy with both, and my return to Brooks after using the Vantage and Vantage Supreme back in the late 70s early 80s. I am 6'2" 195 lbs and 67 years old and have been mostly injury free over 45 years and 54,000 miles of running.....until recently when I started getting left calf strains. Part of this is being 25lbs heavier and 40years older than my prime, but part is also I think due to using super shoes with too soft cushioning for my weight. Seems like there may be some antagonistic motion going on with all the muscles and tendons in the back of my leg. I think my leg is starting to pull up while for a brief instant the heel is still going down. Not good. Which is where the firmer Brooks Ghost with the larger drop comes in. Good shoe to avoid that antagonistic motion. The Ghost is a bit heavy and clunky though so I tried the Max and like it too despite the reduced drop. They both seemed to fit well. I have sworn off the super shoes. Much as I love them I think they get me injured. So for now I am happy with the two Brooks Ghost shoes as well as the Hoka Tecton X2 for trail running.
Glad to hear you’ve found some shoes that keep you on your feet!
The Academy Awards are coming - Kofuzi's best shoe videos! Will this shoe be nominated?
My first ever brooks ghost was the Ghost 6 in 8th grade and then their Pure Flow in high school. The design language of the MAX looks a lot more like a Pure series shoe (with a lot more cushioning) which is a good thing!
Ooh. I’m not familiar with that model
@@kofuzi a time when Brooks went in to minimalist.
The Pure line was fantastic in its day. I had just started running then and wore them throughout their duration.
I bought. I love em. You better not talk bad about my babies LOL. Brooks is heading in the right direction IMO and they are making sexier shoes, way more gooder.
I'm a heavier women and I need a nice comfy walking /jogging sneaker
Thanks for the review!! Love it!! Is it similar feeling to gel kayano30? Or gel cumulus series?? I have gel cumulus 21 and it is very comfy when walking. But I feel like it needs more cushion when running.
Great review! This particular Ghost model falls in the straight-lasted line & is replacing the Brooks Dyad. It’s a great shoe for someone with really wide feet or wears custom orthotics. I love the cushion of it, but it’s not a good fit for me. I do love my Glycerin 20 GTS!
I have average width feet and have no trouble getting a great lockdown on these either, just FYI. Super comfortable
That more reasonable drop is great. I get that it's not as obvious as that with the rocker (even altra, ignoring the fwd abomination really only making zero dropish shoes with the rocker). I am glad running shoes are moving away from being high heels.
The geometry looks decent but I don't love the $150-$160 prices for these max shoes with non-premium foams. I recently got the Hyperion Max on discount to use as a daily trainer which, so far, seems a good fit for me.
Glad to hear you found something that works for you!
Great. As usual.
Agree on all parts chief 🎉
Thanks Fordy!
The Aurora is the only Brooks shoe that I still run in. Just too many other great options out there to get excited about Brooks shoes.
Agreed 💯
Same! Still rocking the Aurora from time to time. The Nimbus 25 dethroned the Glycerin for me. Lots of good options out there!
I keep debating whether to pick up a pair. It’s an older shoe, but Brooks is still selling it. 🤔
@@kofuziIt was a wild prototype but I’m hoping they use the same midsole formula for the upcoming Elite4. I didn’t love the upper but Brooks excels in uppers so it could be interesting.
First from the Philippines🇵🇭 idoll Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you, too!
Just new interested with this brand. Did you recommend me to this ghost max it for daily trainer.....Thanks Mike....👍👍👍🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️❤️❤️❤️
Revisiting this video, in anticipation of the ghost max 2
Very comfortable shoe, not the most exciting, but that's not it's purpose. High level of comfort. Only issue, on my left shoe at the very top of heel the adhesive began to separate??? I re-glued it.
Love these.
Ghost Max feels like a Triumph 19 that was stopped mid-transitioning from 19 to 20. (Like a Triumph 19.5).
In other words; a Triumph 19 with the same design/fit/feel just a bit more stacked midsole.
Triumph 20/21 feels like a more aggressive heel to forefoot midsole drop.
Ah, that’s an interesting take. I’ll have to think about that some more
Hi Mike, just a random question for you...I noticed you don't review nor run in Nike shoes anymore. Is there any particular reason why? (If I may ask). Cheers!
Witch one is better this ghost max or ASICS gel nimbus 26
I wonder how this does for someone like me with hallux limitus?
I really like the Glycerin 20s. The drop of 10m is perfect for me, and I didn't find it to be a hard shoe (unlike the Pegasus, which I hate). I've been curious about this shoe, but I'm not sure I will like the lack of drop. I'm a very petite woman, so maybe I'm not the target audience?
Saucony ride review?
9.5 was causing my calves to tingle, so kept the 10 which is aggravating my big toe ball joint.. probably need to go with Novablast 4 🤷🏻♂️
Sorry to hear that
Loft V2 When the Caldera 6 has Loft v3 and can be picked up for aboutk 80 USD,.
This shoe only makes sense if you don't already have a shoe collection.
Great shoe for me. less knee pain.
So I am starting to learn when you say "slightly to firm for me", that equates to about perfect for myself. I kill softer foams, so the slightly firmer ones are great for my mechanics. My only question is do I replace my gycerin's with this when discounts hit. I am averaging 500 miles per pair of Glycerin's, so hard to complain when I find them on discount at Dick's all the time.
Something I recommend to runners is to find a reviewer that tends to like the same shoes as you. Or, as in your case, you’ve learned which terms I use translate to experiences you will like.
As far as the glycerin goes, if it has been working for you, stay with it. A new model is dropping soon (if not already), so there could be some deep discounts
@@kofuzi There are a few reviewers I watch that I have seen enough to have an idea how they compare to what I am finding out I like. The adizero SL is a surprise to me, in that we both like it. So even when I think I have it figured out, ya'll throw a curve ball. Appreciate the feedback
@@scotthilton5406 Just want to offer a kudos for this original comment. I wish more people commented recognizing there is a translation required when watching these reviews...fanboys or jerks who come in declaring how they have a different opinion and the reviewers are wrong/shills/etc really bother me. Tip of the hat, sir. Enjoy your day. 👍
Do you like the supercomp v2 or ghost max better for IT band pain and long distance runs 6-15 miles
I’m afraid I don’t know how to answer IT band questions
Would have been nice to have DNA Loft v3 in the ghost max (same foam as in the glycerin 20), as its softer and bouncier than the DNA loft v2.
I don’t know. I didn’t like the glycerine 20 stealth fit.
What the purpose of adding more foam but making it more stiff ? 😮😮😮
"last" is basically the shape of the entire thing.
This shoe has a straighter last than a lot of running shoes.
Is it comfortable?
I’m trying to get this pair ghost max and not sure what size to get, gonna be my first pair of brooks shoes, I’m a sz 9 in nike/ adidas and and 8.5 in new balance 990v2, is the sizing on these closer to Nike or new balance ? Thanks!
I'm not sure the 990 is an actual running shoe so I'd disregard that and go with the running shoe size that has been working for you.
also, it's a ghost. you can find them pretty much anywhere to see for yourself.
Make sense to run marathon in saucony endorphin pro if I'm not able to fun below 4:30h?
My general approach is that, at some point, a runner will prefer a shoe that is more comfortable than it is fast. Where that point is depends on the runner’s preferences
If it helps, as an older runner (72 y.o. F) my times aren’t a lot faster than that. I started running marathons in 2019 and have run the last 3 consecutive Bostons. In my 1st two of those, I used the Saucony Endorphin Speeds and my times got a little better each time to around 4:30-ish. Last year I got my first carbon plated shoe, the Endorphin Pro3 you ask about. I definitely trained and carb-loaded better, but I do also think the shoe played a role and I chopped 18 minutes of the previous year for 4:17 flat. I agree with Kofuzi that comfort is an important factor, particularly in the full marathon distance. But the shoe also kept my legs and feet feeling fresher throughout and recovery was quicker. You should at least try them on (along with other options) in a running store to see how they feel. We’re all different biomechanically but it’s been demonstrated that everyone can benefit from such shoes, and the Endo Pro3 became one of the more universal models that work for a lot of people of all speeds.
Hey Kofuzi.... is it possible to dream of seeing this model sold in Brazil? Fingers crossed.
I don’t have information on that
@@kofuzi Fingers crossed. Thanks.
Why do your background music for cinematic always on point?
Thank you
Kofuzi, you state 28mm heel stack and 22mm forefoot stack for the ghost max, but why are other reviewers stating 39mm heel and 33mm forefoot? It’s confusing
1. Your question asks me why other people are saying something. That’s a very peculiar question to ask.
2. I have shown you a screenshot of a graphic from the Brooks website that compares the stack heights of the Ghost Max versus the Ghost.
3. I would suggest asking everyone else where they get their numbers and why it varies from what Brooks is showing to the public
On cloud Cloudeclipse or Hoka Mach 5? Which one would you take?
those are very different shoes. get them both.
clouds suck unfortunately, go for HOKAs
Hi guys I walk more than 10000 steps per day and I’m feeling strains, tightness on my heel and knee pains. What WALKING shoes would all of you recommend? Or is there no different from a running shoe?
I have never reviewed a walk-specific shoe. I’m afraid I don’t have the relevant experience to answer your question
Just grabbed a bargain Ghost 14 for £58.50. First time running in a Brooks, but I think I’m going to like it (I’m 6ft3, 170lbs+)…
hope you enjoy!
I have the Ghost 9 and 14 and recently got the Brooks Divide 4 which quickly became a favorite. 8 mm drop, super comfy toe box, nice and firm cushioning, especially for a heavier runner like me at 90 kg. And I got it for 85€.
I'm 6'1 230 lbs and I developed patellar tendonitis for the first time ever with these shoes after just walking around in them. Has anyone else dealt with this? Or is this more a matter of moving from thinner shoes to thicc boi stacks?
another note about the last the shoe is built on it is very straight. Which means for my foot it pushes my right toe into my other toes drastically because my foot is not shaped like this. It's a shame because these changes from the regular ghost sound sound nice, but I can't comfortably run this shoe with that last.
By right toe I mean my big toe depending on which foot lol
I feel like you would you have this problem with all Brooks shoes, no?
not at all, not all Brooks shoes are built on this very straight last, look at the shape of the catamount for instance.@@kofuzi
anyone do a lot of walking in the Triumph 21s?
do they come with wide size?
Yup
Would you suggest the Ghost Max for ultra marathon running?
I think it would depend on pace and terrain
@@kofuzilet's say the Comrades marathon, tarmac all the way & an easy pace of around 6:30/km.
Here in India Ghost Max is available for 70 USD and Nimbus 25 for 85 USD...... Which one to go for ?
Bhai I use brooks ghost max
I miss the ghost 13s
Which is softer, Brooks Max or ON Cloud eclipse?
Eclipse
Cloudeclipse
@@kofuzi what a response for you 👏
How would you compare it to a Gel Nimbus 25?
Lighter firmer more stable
@@kofuzi thanks!
How would you compare them to the Topo Atmos?
Atmos is more like a Bondi. Ghost Max is more like a daily trainer
Agreed. Had chance to try both and feel quite similar in their non sponginess.. Look forward to trying the Ghost M. Cheers.@@kofuzi
I hate that that white colorway is not available in 4EE
I wanted to like this shoe given all the positive reviews...but I didn't feel it was quite roomy enough for me....I'm an Altra guy so I've been spoiled by roomy shoes for many years. So I ended up returning my pair.
What did you get instead? Escalante?
Torin 7....but the Esclante's are my favorite!@@kofuzi
I found the Hyperion Max to be really firm.
It is, until you run it at faster efforts. Then, it loosens up just right
I agree it shines at faster paces and I use the shoe for sessions with speedwork. But it’s still a very versatile shoe for everything besides very long runs, so often take it when traveling.
Is it good for walking shoes?
yes
Ghost 15 vs ghost max which one?
I did not test ghost 15
1:14 what's different
Would you get a half size bigger?
No
Ok thank you 😊
Comparable to HOKA Mach 5?? That’s my daily and have never worn anything more comfortable!
Not really
Ghost max vs Hoka Clifton 9 or Mach 5?
For me and my set of preferences, Mach 5
@@kofuzi the Mach 5 is my go to. I keep going back to it. Even over the Mach X.
Yep, I'm person 1 and 2
Yo!
I have about 60 miles on these and the outsole is looking pretty bad. Probably completely gone by 200 miles. That being said, outsoles aren’t really important to me where I live. We can run on straight foam and be safe.
thanks. that's definitely something to look out for. I run 100% on concrete and wouldn't spend $ if that's how it is after 60 let alone 150 miles.
Another opinion: I find Brooks outsoles to last longer than any others besides adidas, which are famous for their durability. And FYI I wore this shoe on a day after snow, on many slick surfaces including wet leaves. Traction was excellent.
Wonder if i can walk 8 hours at work with this
extra wide for me?
I believe this shoe is available in wide sizing
28mm for a shoe with max in it.? Interesting choice.
max is a relative term I suppose
When he said he got them for free then I said NO.
If you bought them then I would believe your review
Fair enough. I only ask that you apply the same standard across all media, such as magazines or newspapers
I love Brooks shoes! One of my favorites to wear to work.
Last ones I bought they only last three months.
My apologies for the harsh comment.
Having said that you are right I always apply same standard every review whether online or in a magazine which I don’t read frequently.
No hard feelings and I will continue to watch your reviews.
All
The best
Ghost Max "Coming to a nursing home near you."
It’s almost as if you didn’t watch the video at all and just commented without watching
First 🎉
Yo
Brooks shoes always tend to be too boring for my taste. Too firm, no real rebound etc... The ghost max finally seems to be something.
What exactly is a Homer Simpson car? 😂
You are likely not old enough to get the reference
In season 2 Homer meets his long lost twin brother who owns a car company and asks Homer to design a car for the average Joe. Homer wants stupid stuff like an extra cabin for the kids, huge spoilers, a horn that plays "la cucaracha", etc. The car comes out as a complete abomination and ruins Homer's brother because the company went bankrupt 😂.
@@MrSeedi76 Season 2 😱 No wonder I’v never heard of it 😅 but thanks for the explanation
This shoe has nothing to do with the Ghost, they should have called it something else.
Agree
Sorry, I gotta ghost that shoe.
I (don’t) see what you did there 👻
38 mm heel 32 toe me thinks
Ye, no way its 28/22.
@QronoZ713 ghost max actually has a 39 to 33mm toe drop.
I went with what the screenshot from the Brooks website said
See 1:13
@kofuzi yeah I get it...but if you look online, everyone is saying 39/33 (believe in the run for example) I think Brooks maybe has it listed incorrectly? Wouldn't be max cushioned with a 28/22 stack in my humble opinion.
Its just a really expensive EVA, really posh looking upper, these days, its like putting diamonds in a bronze ring. It just doesnt match well.
I suspect it’s chemically not that different from React
Brooks shoes are painful 😣
Have you tried this one?
@@kofuzi no, but I pushed mu 15s too far and got a femur fracture. Maybe the stack is stack was too slim?
Loved them for about 500 miles though 👍
We’re all different. For me, they make among the best, most comfortable uppers and many seem to agree. I say that even though I only have 2 Brooks models among about 6 shoes in my rotation: the Hyperion max and recently, this one.
Nobody cares about the eco friendly nonsense... stop the madness.
I care
@@kofuzi good for you drive yourself crazy with it.
I've seen videos from Podiatrist that give glowing reviews for this shoe but runners like Kofuzi and some content creators dont give high marks. Looks like I really need to go to the store and try it out and see how the ride feels. Looking for a shoe for my first 50k and this is so far leading the pack. Thank for your input Kofuzi. Big Fan of yours here in the Philippines and I hope someday you can run here