What Food Was Actually Like in the Elizabethan Period
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- čas přidán 4. 02. 2023
- Oh what a time to be alive in late 16th Century England!
Queen Elizabeth I was defending her throne while some plotted against her in favor of her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots. Regardless, Elizabeth's reign cemented Britain as a global powerhouse in arts, culture, and cuisine. (Particularly sugary foods, we'll soon find out.). Under Elizabeth's rule, the aristocracy enjoyed a meat-heavy diet with plenty of decadence and splendor - though some of their customs may leave us scratching our heads now.
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When you said, "How do you milk an almond? Probably have to have a little bucket." I lost it, to me that was so funny!!
Would love to see a video of pre-colonization Hawaii and other pacific islands!
Samoa perhaps?
This is the one👏🏻
Regardless of the literal food items, I have such respect for the sense of community and honest desire to help each other.
If people of the past are known for anything, it's philanthropy
And dying of disease
@@cleverusername9369 with the Victorian era being a notable exception.
there are plenty of areas like this. You just assume it should exist amongst the rich. Just like them, the rich had no reason to have actual community. So regardless, you’re still incorrect as people who weren’t rich are community oriented in any era. If you do not have community, you most likely make enough money to not be in a situation in which community is vital to your survival, at all.
@@cleverusername9369 it’s wild. You probably just live in a place or class that just barely surpasses the need of actual community. If y’all head into areas where people financially struggle- there’s community. If you had enough to suffice- the need for community is literally not vital and not created. it’s not rocket science, unless you just live and work in a bubble
Nope, spices weren't used to cover up a taste of spoiled meats. Spices were extremely costly. Lavishing on spices was a way to show off wealth. It was still important to have dishes of a certain color (white, green), but this custom was slowly dying out. Yet sugar was becoming a new trend, Queen Elizabeth I and her court ruined their teeth with sugar. Even extravagant table decorations were made of sugar.
Spices were so expensive, if you could afford them then obviously afford fresh meat. Most meat people ate was generally preserved with salt or smoking anyway, but whenever they got fresh meat from the market the butcher would usually gather a bunch of people and sell every part of the animal before it was butchered.
It's a dumb myth, rotten meat will kill you no matter what time period you live in.
Actually it’s half right spices and seasoning were sometimes used by terrible cooks and butchers to cover up bad meat or in some cases they would mix bad meat with good meat and sell it back to people
Apparently Liz ate a chess set made of marzipan in 2 days, LOL.
some people really wanna correct others with so much confidence, and it’s embarrassing
@@aurorajude4674 I could do that.
The sugar thing is how the wedding cake came to be. While it was customary for a large wedding dinner to be held, if you were rich, you could flaunt just how rich you were by getting a huge cake, filled with sugar, to serve your guests. Nowadays everyone has a wedding cake, but I have no idea why we inexplicably save the top part to eat a year later
The eating of the top part of the wedding cake a year later is for good luck 🍀
I heard the saved cake thing is supposed to be your baby's first birthday cake, as like, a measurement of time for when your first child should be born after you're married, but I'm unsure when or how that came about.
It was saved for the christening of your first child
Ikr! Plus elisebethan era foods could vary by region
I'm English and "cheese and crackers" is still an after dinner affair, not often, but we still do it on occasion. Usually with grapes or other light finger foods to complement the cheese and crackers
Do you play the cheese between two crackers?
@@awfan221 depends on who the crackers are 🤣
Like with a digestive biscuit??
I'm so glad you included that part about almond milk because I've been trying to tell people that it has been a thing for a LONG time & not something that people just created. I didn't know quite how far back but I've read about it being part of diets in the late 18th century. It's nice to know it's almost 1000 years.
First, yes it was created by people.
Second, i'm happy you will be able to further promote veganism.
But almond milk then was just ground almonds and water. Not the kind we have now.
@@carolynwatson4301 but then so we’re most things, so what’s your point. That’s like trying to say roads didn’t exist because they made with cement or it wasn’t a house because it had a foot made with straw.
@@mat967 first, you do realize that milking is a process so to not call it milk is well, stupid. Also, pretty much all food that isn’t plant base in engendered in some way shape or form & even then plant based food is mostly engineered.
Second, I’m not a vegan. I’m not even a vegetarian. However what I don’t do is get my underwear in a twist over people’s diet.
@@kenyattaclay7666 and the Romans had both concrete and roads that are still usable. My point is that their almond milk isn't really almond milk because of all the garbage that we add to it.
Many restaurants still serve a cheese board as dessert today, at least around Europe
Its a custom? I heard in Greece you can get cheese in a taverna😮also ouzo and other stuff
I've heard of the black teeth trend in Japan also. (Ohaguro) It was pretty much a fashion statement and attractive waaaaay back when.
It was a way to show off your beauty in their culture my dK guide Japan says
Spices weren't usually used to cover the taste of food that was rotting, rather they were used for *preventing* food from rotting. Of course, unscrupulous tavern owners and merchants existed in the Elizabethan era too, but eating spoiled food was absolutely not the norm.
What was done for folks with kidney stones and diabetes back then?
@@ankhpom9296 I don't know the details of the treatments used for these diseases back then. However, they did know how to surgically remove kidney stones since Ancient Greece. There were also various herbal treatments, though how effective they were I really couldn't say,
As for diabetes: Type 1 diabetes had no treatment, but had been recorded since Roman times. The only thing they could do was treat the symptoms (nerve tonics to ease the pain, physical therapy, etc). Type 2 diabetes, they understood had something to do with eating grains and exhaustion since they had noted that it mostly afflicted soldiers and women who had just given birth. Physicians could proscribe a protein rich diet, and were able to make sugar pills: although the latter were expensive. Unfortunately though, most people still died of it (unless they died of something else first which to be fair was the usual case). Synthesizing insulin didn't happen until the 1950s, although it is one of things which you could plausibly include in an alternate history/fantasy setting since there isn't any particular reason it wasn't discovered earlier apart from people weren't looking in that direction. It came out of Herschfeld's research on hormone therapy: as they were looking into chemicals which determined anatomical sex, and which induced menstruation, they also discovered insulin by accident. There were a few cases of people recovering from Type 2 diabetes, which might be related to the use of animal organs as folk remedies for a wide variety of ailments but the documented evidence is not clear enough to say for sure if this what caused their recovery or if it was pure dumb luck.
There is a wonderful historical inn called The George Inn located in Laicock Village, England, UK, which features one of the wheels that used a turn spit dog. Pretty cool bit of history and lots of lovely architecture in the area.
I have been to that Inn - it was amazin - ghe visit was part of a wonderful day trip tourist package by ViaTour. We also visited Bath & stonehenge. It was worth every cent we paid for it
It wasn't the British navy that beat the Spanish Armada, it was the English Navy. The British Navy didn't come into existence until England and Scotland were united as a single kingdom a hundred odd years later.
It was the ship worms that were infesting the armada
I'd like to hear about what the Egyptians ate normally.
Probably a lot of dates and milk
@@user-ds8gf3ki2g honey too 🍯
dont forget the old beers theyre were first to produce it
Food
@@lestatangel and water in some form
Your channel always fascinates me. Very interesting to see how much we take for granted in the advances of food. Thank you!! 😊
Weird History can you do a video on Extravagant Foods The Russian Nobility Ate.
Probably just fish 🐟
@@AstarionWifey They ate lots of stuff actually, they had it pretty good since they had so many people working so hard for them.
@@resentfuldragon looking like what? 😮😮😮
I am edified that you mentioned turnspit dogs. This makes me so happy.
I watch these every day while I work to stretch my brain please do one on libraries 😮
YAY its Sunday morning in beautiful middle Tennessee!! Weird History has new content I'm 🥳 my secret Sunday obsession lol thanks yall !!! To the narrator: Awesome narrating skills you're wonderful your voice is very distinctive i appreciate it!!!!
As a professional chef I was excited to see this pop up in my feed and very glad to have watched! Fun and informative thx
Me too minus the chef😂
Yo, don’t be talking smack on that Yorkshire pudding, Cuz. Shit is straight fire with some gravy
The fact the rotting teeth were seen as attractive is crazy lmao
pretty sure this is just one of those BS things people say...like eating rotten meat in medieval times just adding spices...etc
The fact that most everyone was dirty and didn’t clean much, makes perfect sense to me that rotting teeth was in.
I don't think it was exactly cause they thought it looked good, I think it was more of an attractive status symbol-you had the $ to buy stuff that destroyed your teeth
@@missyouwish88 Its the same situation with being fat. Everyone knew it was bad for health and it was bad looking, but it was a good trait to marry because it meant the person had money.
@@Harcorwrestler People didn't bathe often but they absolutely cleaned with wet rags. It's a common misconception.
" ...you probably need a really small bucket."
Not to mention tiny, tiny hands.
@00:14. That's Christopher Columbus on the Santa Maria. The last time I looked....he was Italian, not English!
The abstinence from meat on Wednesdays, Fridays, & Saturdays was an old Catholic custom that was abandoned under her half-brother, King Edward VI. The abandonment destroyed the English fishing industry. Elizbeth restored it to save the fisheries which were the source of sailors for the Royal Navy.
Can you do a video about the history of the Mimosa, and how it became popular to have at brunch in America?
Weird history food might🎉
Really interesting fact about the use of plant milks! Im not vegan by any means but i def prefer plant milks. Way easier on the stomach!
I eat both almond at night to sleep
Man with my teeth I'd be looking real wealthy back in that day; Love this channel so much, they rock every vid
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing job
A+ Video!
Another classic there, just fantastic!
I won't be capturing a peacock or blackening my teeth anytime this week though lol.
I I . .
I had Bacon, hash browns, french toast with grapes and sliced oranges for breakfast this morning.
It's my weekly treat but I don't think i could eat that way everyday. There is a reason their life span was shorter. Lol
You forgot eggs. Or are they too expensive right now?
That’s such a heavy breakfast 😂 I just rather have the toast
The one thing to keep in mind is that, especially if you were a peasant, you'd burn off all that food by working all day long.
Damn. Just give me fruit and some turkey bacon please
@@scorch33 that’s true
Worked at an Applebee's. One of the servers said there was a group of younger guys who were cutting their steaks with their pocket knives. Who knew they were just keeping the tradition alive?
I worked with someone from Eritrea, he used to get into trouble for calling people fat and he couldn’t figure out why because being fat was considered a compliment. It meant you were making good money!😂😂😂
Unfortunately in the U.S., it usually means we are eating a lot of highly processed sugary foods that are terribly unhealthy... mostly because they are less expensive and have a long shelf life, but they are also addictive.
@@TH-hy9kr Look man, those little debbies snack cakes were calling my name
It was a compliment in western nations as well before sugar got cheap, being fat in medieval europe meant you were doing well financially.
@@resentfuldragon Sort of fell by the wayside after the turn of the 20th century when print/media became more visual & the invention of movies
Aww....he was just trying to be nice 😔.....
Let me guess - mostly pickled, dried or salted meat, grains, some vegetables and pretty much no fruit.
Why no fruit? There were plenty of apples, pears, plums, and seasonal fruit like peaches, apricots, cherries, strawberries, etc. The Elizabethans knew how to preserve them, in sugar, vinegar or wine. They probably even imported oranges and lemons from the Mediterranean area.
Please make a video about Emma Goldman!
Also, one thing we can learn from the olden days is the nose to tail philosophy. Too much food is wasted these days.
Spices were used as a cover for rotting meat. Even rich people had rotten meat. That's how minced pies came about, minced meat was used with dries fruit and spices. After time the meat was left out and just the fruit and meat fat and spices were left
That raspberry jelly roll cake at the end looked delicious.
humor is right on point every time
The thing that stuck with me the most? Spit roast dogs are extrinsic. They sound so cute though! Lol
A forerunner of the " spitz"...I suppose.😊
Marigolds as a flower yes, as a flavoring, the hell?🤨
Trader Joe's "Ajika Georgian Seasoning" has marigold, chili pepper, and garlic and it's damn near delectable lord have mercay
Thank you!!
They didn't use spices to cover rotten meat. There were loads of ways to cure, smoke, brine, and dry food for long term storage and spices helped PRESERVE the meat.
Love these food topics
At the very least, the people of that era knew what was in the food they were eating, unlike today where most of the processed foods available have ingredients that you can't even pronounce!
Rotting, with pests, and poop
Learn how to pronounce them.
Do you honestly believe things were better back then?
Our ancestors did not have the same sanitation and hygiene practices and regulations we do today. The lack of refrigeration also meant many products going bad faster. A shady chef or baker could've easily mixed good and bad ingredients in order to save costs, and sell those same products to people. Some meat starting to go bad? Just mince it all and put it into a pie so it goes unnoticed. Flour too expensive? Just mix some chalk or plaster to the batch and sell it as flour. (Some bakers in the Victoria era would do this). History has long record of unsafe practices and adulteration in products.
Does this mean we're better off now? No exactly. Fast food chains and restaurants can still try and sell bad batches to people, hygiene and sanitation is still dodgy in some places and many products are still adulterated in order to save costs. Big companies can buy or sponsor tests and inspections to pass off their products as "good" or "healthy"; lie to people in order to sell. And there's a chance things might get worse now that we've invented ways to make artificial food and ingredients. My point is; people will be people, regardless of technology and regulations. The spirit of malpractices in the name of profit or necessity has remained (and grown) with us...
That being said, I trust our modern products more than those of the old days. Here in Europe at least, we tend to take regulations about food, health and quality inspections seriously.
@@ivoryowl He didn't say things were better, he said rightfully that we eat things today that we can't understand unlike back then.
Unless your situation was extreme, eating things you didn't understand was not the norm in any era of human history before the early modern era.
Even back in the days of citystates, people knew what they were eating and it wasn't processed garbage.
Eating rotten food was not common at all.
As for the negatives of the past, that is mainly about quality of life in general.
We eat processed garbage but we have excellent hospitals, even a poor 3rd worlder can generally get better medical treatments than a noble back in the day.
We also have great pros like the ability to travel and communicate across vast distances quickly, and we have less wars in general too.
Edit: Also I wanted to add that trusting modern food regulation at all is not the smartest choice. Many things we eat have horrible consequences, even just the dyes in foods can be carcinogens. We eat tastier cleaner food, but definitely less healthy food and thats a fact.
While we have little danger of contracting a food borne illness, we are astronomically more likely to gain nearly any diet based ailment and we are far more likely to consume garbage like microplastics due to our pollution.
The average person of today, at least in richer nations, eats terribly compared to nearly any other time period and it shows in our tendency to gain too much weight and our high rates of disease like diabetes.
Except they didn't. Sure, if you grew all your own grains and vegetables, raised chickens and cows, and had an actual kitchen to cook in, you knew the core ingredients. But you did not know anything about foodborne illness, germs, or the importance of a balanced diet.
Also, just because something is hard to pronounce does not make it bad. Modern labeling requires the use of proper names of substances rather than common names.
This era is this channels bread and butter it seems
I wanna hear about what people in Australia ate at first please
Indigenous Australians?
Pls do a video about food from 3 Kingdoms era and Sengoku Jidai era
can you make a video about what it was like owning or selling business in the 1800s or another older time period?
Fantastic video!
The picture of the Big Mac must be from ancient archives because that's not the Big Mac you get today. 😡
When going shopping at the open air market, particularly the meat section, remember to arrive as early in the day as possible before the flies discover the lovely morsels to sample and lay their eggs on. (Yummy. 🤢)
Thanks for the video! 🏆
🙂
There's a food channel for weird history why can't we get not food on this channel
Don’t like it….Then keep on scrolling, it’s that easy 🤷♀️
@@shawnmaria9064 I do like the channel that's my issue
that's amazing about the turnspit dog, wow
1:13 I am a big mustard fan!
The National Mustard Museum is in Middleton, Wisconsin.
They did not put hops in their beer for another 100 years. Instead they used herbs that were in season.
A loaf of bread, cheese, and a pastry? Ah, so the basic Skyrim diet of the Dragonborn
Yay! New upload 😍
Deus benedicat tibi🙏🏻
That stuffed turnspit dog is in Abergavenny Castle in Wales. I used to live near there.
Idk why but their food sounds more appetizing 😍😍😍
A lot of them probably suffered a lot and was completely unaware why.
A time machine would be awesome.
Only if you could take a lot of Antibiotics and Anesthesia with you.
Having to get an arm or a leg sawn off because it went Gangrene from a simple open wound, with no Anesthesia existing back then, would not be pleasant.
I love you narrator
do a video on tarrare :P
The Glen of Imaal Terrier, one of perhaps a few breeds of dog bred and rained to turn spits, is absolutely NOT extinct and absolutely ADORABLE!!
I'd be down for desserts throughout dinner and cheese at the end.
When someone reviles in horror at my black teeth, I tell them that it's a status symbol.
Markets in England was different back then. 😀👍
Love the videos! Try Travel through time - it’s funny history!
I'd appreciate a video of how various cultures used 'cannabis', but not hemp. Thanks for the great video.
@weirdhistory you should do a good timeline like how u do the timeline for the decades,😅 but the food one we can start from ancient to make it more fun and lots of content. 😉. Love you guys keep up the great work! And have a great Feburary !!💙🍃 #weirdhistory #foodhistory #yum
I wanna know what ancient Persians and native Americans ate like in depth
Weren't spices expensive back then? And if so, then why would people use their expensive spices to make rotten meat slightly more palatable? I enjoyed the video, but I'm not sure that part is true.
It’s not true. And you’re right, they wouldn’t have wasted expensive spices on rotten meat they couldn’t even eat.
Unfortunately, this is myth that refuses to die🫤
It isn’t true
Thats because it's not true at all. People back then were no more able to eat rotten meat than we are.
He said meat/food that had started to turn. Not rotten meat lol. That's certainly not worth the spice cost im sure.
@@aussiejubes Same argument, replace the word "rotten" with "starting to turn". Spices were luxury items, someone who can afford spices can afford fresh meat. lol
They used to use small boys to turn the roasting meat, too. And the leftovers were sold so the servants did make some extra money. As for the white bread vs. darker flour, Adele Davis said it best: the peasants were better off.
Do a one about food for a Chinese Emperor and his family in the Jin dynasty.
Cullinzry history of all eras is interesting.
What is the first classical piece he used at the intro?
What a time be alive the idea that people wanted "blackened teeth"
Imagine someone from that age seeing a bunch of meth heads walking around nowadays with black teeth and thinking they’re royalty or something 😂😂
Black teeth come from consumption of sugar.
I read they were fashionable in Japan in the Shogun period, but not because of sugar, I think it was something religious, if I remember right...
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Not necessarily. Black teeth was a standard of beauty in some cultures, particularly East and Southeast Asians were very enamored with black teeth that had been purposely died black.
@@Chrochella Dyeing is NOT what I meant.
I got a challenge for you, food in the time of Ootzi the Iceman
Guess that for once, I'm gonna stick to my diet for the whole day... nice.
Smh dont know why ppl fool with "diets", portion control & physical activity give far better results than any "diet" ever will. You only have one life to live eat what you want/like just dont overeat & burn what you do eat off. All these restrictive diets/religious based diets, vegan bs that goes against our very biology etc are insane
@@kristiskinner8542 It was actually just a joke about how disgusting the food sounded... but hey, you do you. 👍
The sugar thing is actually quite sad.
Interesting
He sounds so much like the History’s Mystery guy that used to come in History Channel.
And Nutty History. I'm sure he hosts that one too.
I was wondering if you could do one on extinct dog breeds
Thanks for this! 🍞 #WeirdHistory #FoodHistory #QueenElizabethI
is your channel on spotify?
Fascinating topic. This goes with Weird History Food.
It’s not a bad idea to not have a blanket ban on alcohol for anyone under 18 (or 21 in the US). If you only prohibited minors from buying stuff that could get you drunk, say any over 3% abv, then there would probably be much less binge drinking.
Unfortunately not. I live in Denmark, a country where it is commonly accepted that minors drink. They are actually the heaviest drinking youths in the EU.
Binge drinking is still very much a thing for people, also as adults.
@@Cysticspyke Yup, its just like how caffeine and sugar got so widespread, easy access and easy addition.
We should make sure to keep the blanket ban on alcohol for minors here in america because it can mess up their brain development. It isn't done developing until they are 25!
Didn't work too well before, also if he/she is old enough to enlist and serve his country...
Unfortunately with the drinking culture in America it may make things worse. The age was lowered to 18 for the Vietnam war because the logic "if you're old enough to serve and vote then you're old enough to drink responsibly". It was a disaster and that's when the age limit went back up. There are some outlined exceptions state to state on minors drinking and usually religion event with parental supervision is a common exception I've come across.
Personally, I never had the urge to drink when I was a minor and I can count on one hand how many alcoholic drinks I've had in the past 5 years. I grew up with a large family and in our culture you bring gifts when you visit so often times someone would also bring alcohol as part of a visiting gift to the household. We had tons in the cabinet and if I had wanted I could've easily drank a couple bottles over the years and no one would've noticed. My parents aren't big drinkers either even socially. So I'm assuming culture, environment, how someone was raised and their personality impacts if they'll partake in underage drinking or just drinking irresponsibly.
@@itazuranakisu Drinking alcohol is a bad idea regardless of age to be honest so staying away is a good idea.
Its the drug that caused the most harm, its cause problems for humanity for thousands of years.
How about doing a video on the lost city of California city in the Mojave desert.
No one cares about California
Is this Harry Shearer narrating? If so, I should think it would be Derek Smalls.
I wouldn't have liked "fish days", but I'm not picky. Most of the food looked good.
Depends on how you cook fish, it can be delicious. Also, back then, the river Thames gave so much seafood that it was cheap and for the lower classes. Later on, that became scarce and expensive, due to pollution. I never ate swan and peacock though, I heard they are heavy meats, I'm curious about it.
Shout out to Rally's fries, and thats cool even back then they knew milk from the cow is not great for humans.
Cow's milk was drunk by folks who owned a cow. Beyond that it was preserved (butter or cheese) because of the lack of refrigeration, no other reason
LOL 😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂 about the sweet teeth decay story !
Who else wanted people from Jolly to react to this video? If it is possible, of course.
I didn't know that they drank Plant based milk during the time that Elizabeth the first ruled England.
I remember my Grandmother telling me about how she cleaned her teeth with ashes when she was younger.
So basically charcoal? 👌
If there was a Lord Mayor to make sure people weren't overcharging today, he/she would have a neverending job.
$0.85 for a single package of Ramen Noodles? Come on people!
Usually only that cheap because someone wasn't paid a living wage
@@cassieoz1702 You didn't stick up for them and now you are feeling guilty about it.
@@btetschner I have no idea what you mean. Not something we generally buy
@@cassieoz1702 You didn't do anything to stop those people from being exploited. You also lied when you said you have no idea what I meant.
@@cassieoz1702 Do you know how much it used to cost?
Never before heard of the term "Elizabethan" but thx! Learning something new from this channel nearly EVERY day!
It is not new. It has been commonly used for hundreds of years by historians and students of history.
Felt sad after hearing about the spit roast dogs
Funny how potatoes were a Rich man's food and now they're one of the cheapest foods you can get and mostly a poor persons food to a point..lol..hey pigeon doesn't sound too bad they were originally imported to America as a food source.. maybe we should re consider eating them and other edible invasive species might lower the cost of food a bit
History shows often try and show that the Royals from that time ate great, but I’m not so sure. Just getting more than enough to eat was a luxury at that time. Getting to choose what you ate was reserved for the very well off.
Food in those days was not stored properly, handled properly, or washed properly. It was half spoiled, over loaded with salt as a preservative, and full of bacteria.
I mean Royalty meant they had feasts regularly
Fresh food was delivered regularly at Henry and Elizabeth's castles. The kitchens employed men that went out to the landowners and fishermen and contracted for meat, vegetables and fish. Everything was inspected and anything substandard was rejected. Livestock was brought in and slaughtered nearby. There was very little space for storage of raw goods when feeding several hundred people two meals a day. Less desirable parts were given to servants as part of their wages and leftovers were donated to the poor. Proteins were salted, brined or smoked to preserve them in the fall after excess animals were culled before winter, a practice in virtually all cultures. Spices were too expensive to be used for anything other than flavor.
There are records of vegetable and fruit dishes but it is likely that simple preparations were not included because it was expected a cook in a noble household wouldn't need instructions.
Please turn down the background music’s volume.
Having a Weird History drink!
Drinking a cup of Twinings Darjeeling Tea with sugar*†...while watching this Weird History video!
* Inspired from the Weird History videos of the Royal Family.
† In the south they drink iced tea with sugar.
This video made me hungry
Can you do a video on what life was like as a Scottish highlander? Please 🙏🏻 ❤
Its braw❤
I got kicked out of Macca's here in Sth. OZ, jus'' cause I gave the manager a "Birdie" I miss the morning coffee and bannana cake......the guy's just tooo sensitive!!