What's Wrong With The YouTube Vinyl Community?

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  • čas přidán 4. 02. 2024
  • My previous video about the Vinyl Community: • All In With the Vinyl ...
    Check out these VC CZcamsrs...
    University of Vinyl: / @universityofvinyl
    Norman Maslov: / @mazzysmusic
    Tracking Angle (Michael Fremer): / @trackingangle929
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Komentáře • 179

  • @crushingalldeceivers
    @crushingalldeceivers Před 3 měsíci

    You make a lot of good points that I wholeheartedly agree with..Excellent video.

  • @mrhoffame
    @mrhoffame Před 5 měsíci +39

    I hear what you are trying to say, but it seems kind of strange to me that your position is to criticize people who care about the things you don't favor. I've been doing videos since 2008. I was literally here when there were only 3 or 4 people doing videos on vinyl so I have certainly seen the entire growth of the Vinyl community and the one thing I discovered is that the fascinating piece about vinyl is it offers SOOOO many avenues to get connected with the music world beyond just sound waves. So if we are here to share our passions and our love for vinyl (or cds and cassettes) and music then for some people what will be original pressing, for some focusing on OG or Audiophile pressing, for some all discount bin stuff, not to mention the beginner with a Crosley all the way to a audiophile with $3000 speaker cables. It just seems weird that you seem to be expressing that some people who care about musical areas that you don't need to kind cool it. I really don't care about engineers either, but what is wrong about someone who does? Who finds a fascination with that part of the process. Why shouldn't that be a part of VC as much as any other part of music? My personal position in the VC is that I think whatever stirs your passion in music/the physical format world is what you should share on our channel. Just learn how to do it without bashing those who may like something different. There is enough room on youtube for all of us after all! Never heard them once complain about lack of storage space at youtube. Not to mention the fact that we have to CLICK on a video to watch it. It's not shoved down our throats.

    • @michaelmorris7552
      @michaelmorris7552 Před 5 měsíci

      ?

    • @cosmicvinyl2937
      @cosmicvinyl2937 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Amen Brother! I second that emotion! ✌️👽

    • @NickP333
      @NickP333 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @mrhoffame Very well said, Brandon. If I may, I’d like to add that I’ve made some great friends through the VC and regularly speak to outside of YT. FWIW, I’ve been a subscriber of yours for a long time, and you’re of course one of the old school VC’ers who’ve been sharing your love of records and music for over 15 years. Now, that’s dedication! Thank you, and I hope you keep up the great work and sharing of music. 🔊😊🎶

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 4 měsíci +1

      @NickP333 Umm, I may watch a few VC videos, but I don’t consider myself part of that rather flaky group. My videos are aimed towards serious turntable owners and hifi gear enthusiasts…probably not individuals like you. If you seriously wish to debate how “anti-skating works”, then you need to take that up with JR of Wally Tools. Maybe you’ll learn a thing or two. Thx

    • @chrislj2890
      @chrislj2890 Před 4 měsíci +2

      He was criticizing ideas or concepts, but you are criticizing him directly for his viewpoints. You really come off as being a hypocrite when you don't follow your own advice. Like you said, this wasn't shoved down your throat, so CLICK on something else that you agree with.

  • @donbaker9352
    @donbaker9352 Před 5 měsíci +14

    I agree with some of your points, but man, I feel like I'm watching the second coming of Andy Rooney at the end of '60 Minutes.'

  • @mondoenterprises6710
    @mondoenterprises6710 Před 5 měsíci +21

    It's all so cringe! They ruin a great sport and past time with their vinyl OCD!

  • @therevrockinrollin
    @therevrockinrollin Před 5 měsíci +11

    Not to mention the VC drags Ice Castles

    • @hubtunes9607
      @hubtunes9607 Před 5 měsíci +1

      😂😂😂

    • @elliottcrews4997
      @elliottcrews4997 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Ice Castles does not get the recognition it deserves.

    • @NickP333
      @NickP333 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Now, here’s a true gentlemen suggesting an absolutely classic, “soundtrack”. I only put it in quotes, because it’s more than just the music from a movie, as it transcends the movie and became its own entity. Your normal run of the mill UHQR, AP, MoFi, etc. pressing just isn’t good enough. It’s an institution of sorts and deserves due credit.

  • @hubtunes9607
    @hubtunes9607 Před 5 měsíci +11

    I make videos for FUN and to turn people on to music i love. Im not a audiophile. I will leave that up to others. I’ve also never even thought about making a video criticizing other channels. Seems odd, but that’s just me. Congrats on the views!! Sounds like you ya just need to lighten up and have FUN! Take care Dave.
    ………Also, MANY of us live in urban settings and have to use headphones.

  • @carlsitler9071
    @carlsitler9071 Před 5 měsíci +4

    I was in the vinyl community... in the '70s.

  • @danmaclean576
    @danmaclean576 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Any day that the plural of vinyl is vinyl, is a good day

  • @johnbellamy3406
    @johnbellamy3406 Před 5 měsíci +5

    I've been a part of the You Tube VC for about 8 or 9 years now and I recognize very little of what you speak of here. I will say this though, that the Vinyl Community is vast. There are pockets of collectors within the vinyl community that differ greatly from one another. There are those that just started collecting and there are those that have collected for years, there are those that focus mostly on the music/artists and will just as happily show CDs and cassettes and there are those that will religiously only show records. There are some that pick up all the latest box sets and merchandise but there are many that only buy used music from thrift stores. Sadly, there are also cliques. If you've got issues with the cliques, then go find others to converse with. There must be hundreds of channels to choose from, why pick the channels that bother you? Not surprisingly, the three channels you mention at the end are three that I personally have little or nothing to do with. Is the University of Vinyl part of the VC? I just assumed he wasn't. Never heard of Tracking Angel. Norman Mazlov is, but well, you do seem to be more interested in what may be called 'Professional VCers' rather than the regular armature collectors. What I think is wrong with the YT Vinyl Community is that so many channels that start earnestly to pursue their interest in music and collecting it soon become obsessed with subscriber counts. And what could be interesting channels about record collecting become sorry vehicles for just another money chasing CZcamsr. I decided that I would never let my joy of record collecting fall into second place on my channel. Maybe you could try the same.

    • @hubtunes9607
      @hubtunes9607 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Well said

    • @bazedjunkiii_tv
      @bazedjunkiii_tv Před 5 měsíci

      luckily i never became interested in subscriber counts. growth would be nice though as i mainly see the video thing as an addition to the music reviews i've been writing on my website since forever but as the site itself is recognized to a certain degree anyway i'm totally fine with the state of my channel rn.

  • @NickP333
    @NickP333 Před 5 měsíci +27

    This is not meant to be argumentative in the least, but Dave, you need to involve yourself in more of the conversations on livestreams instead of taking a shot at people who do and what they say. There seems to be a few types of livestreams, which I know you’ve been on a couple times who talk about a specific subject, then there’s the just kinda hanging out with friends type. I do agree maybe a couple things you said, but everyone has their own ideas and interests. Tim’s channel is excellent, and he’s a great guy, I’ve always liked Fremer, and Mazzy is a friend of mine. We do livestreams to talk about music, records, recordings and how they’re done, pressings, gear, etc….but, we also just have a good time hanging out and talking with our friends, kind of like if we were at a bar or hanging out in someone’s living room.

  • @bradrose6323
    @bradrose6323 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great points Dave! I have never heard of the VC on CZcams. Maybe I should check it out 😂

  • @VintageLuxmanStereoCollector
    @VintageLuxmanStereoCollector Před 5 měsíci +4

    Nice vid. I too enjoy acquiring/collect/swapping analog and digital gear like you to enjoy the music. Glad you recognized Tim from The University of Vinyl. I blame him for my Steely Dan purchases. He’s excellent in educating his viewers and has helped me better understand the history behind the albums.
    In terms of reissues, I enjoy collecting jazz LPs and CDs/SACDs. One of my other favorite LP reviewers is the Bob Bradley Channel. Great LP hunter and knowledgeable reviewer. He’s a gear collector too.

  • @trevorsflatroundspun-vinyl9803
    @trevorsflatroundspun-vinyl9803 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Well, to each their own. I for one have enjoyed many channels and have made friends through this community. But calling out “elitists” is a bit hypocritical. A lot, if not most, are just having fun. Me being one of them. So, are you trying to discourage people from doing videos or starting channels themselves?

  • @alexandervaneijken7741
    @alexandervaneijken7741 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Well I for one am very happy with the vinyl revival, CD,s s are therefore nowadays very affordable.

  • @ricefieldrecords
    @ricefieldrecords Před 5 měsíci +3

    Excellent! Great observations and analysis. One of my favorite videos so far in 2024.

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      Wow, thanks!

  • @perlman7376
    @perlman7376 Před 5 měsíci +4

    I gave up vinyl a while back and have no regrets. However, I'm glad the "VC" are out there as one of the "gatekeepers" for the rest of us.

  • @edguyrocks5865
    @edguyrocks5865 Před 5 měsíci +6

    I made the mistake about 6 years ago when getting back into vinyl of being a sucker for selling some originals to get the 180g reissues cuz they were newer and didn't have the pops and scratches....now although I buy new albums, still look for original pressings in excellent condition over the reissues.

    • @michaelwright1602
      @michaelwright1602 Před 5 měsíci +3

      180g is such a scam!

    • @budsmoker4201120
      @budsmoker4201120 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I agree, besides the older records just sound better. I took my dad's original Thriller album and compared it to my reissue "180 gram" and I was done buying reissues. They don't have the same sound stage.

    • @NickP333
      @NickP333 Před 5 měsíci +2

      If people are looking specifically for the best sounding pressing, you’ve gotta take it on a case by case basis. Although, a large percentage of the time, original pressings from the county of origin are going to sound better than a reissue, I’ve heard plenty of reissues that beat the originals.

    • @budsmoker4201120
      @budsmoker4201120 Před 5 měsíci

      @@NickP333 I agree, but most of the time they aren't, in my experience.

  • @danb.9891
    @danb.9891 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Hey Dave, as always love your content , and this one was no different. I watch quite a few of the VC channels and like yourself, I enjoy some much more than others. Much like the "gear heads" who constantly swap out amp,speakers, DAC...etc. in the search for the ultimate sound, I wonder how often these individuals actually sit down and just listen to music for the pleasure of the music. I think the of the VC members who obsess over mastering engineers, or which pressing plant a record came from in the same way. Do they ever just enjoy the music?? It reminds of a quote from the great Groucho Marx
    "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member"
    Thanks again for all the content. 👍

    • @sidesup8286
      @sidesup8286 Před 5 měsíci +2

      They seek out tbe best pressings, and once they find one that sounds really great to their satisfaction, they and their ears come to trust it, and from then on they relax, their ears relax and they trust it. No more ear wince is going to occur; they know. And they listen and enjoy. People spending sh*tloads of money on recordings or equipment, wouldn't do so if they didn't listen to and love music. They would be surprised though that cds are usually the best pressing; if they would have spent 1% of that time seeking out a great cd player.

  • @lamarw9901
    @lamarw9901 Před 5 měsíci +4

    The interwebz has loads of great info and key board warriors and weirdos, every sub culture has them. I follow a few I like and try to move on from those I don't. Most of what I follow centers around on getting the best system I can budget. I folow a few for new releases and buy used what I can reasonably budget.

  • @danielstanleywilkin
    @danielstanleywilkin Před 5 měsíci +3

    I think they may have emerged from anonymity rather the animosity 😂. Either way I enjoy your videos. Keep them coming.

  • @firebladeclements
    @firebladeclements Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great vid bro!
    I'm so happy the first record I spun was in 1971, the last, about 1991. Every one of them was hot off the presses and not ever heard for the most part. That was the joy, and that was the era!
    Those times are unreplaceable to me. Now I just do dig it all! Too old to give a flying fuck! Cheers and happy motorin!

  • @carlsitler9071
    @carlsitler9071 Před 5 měsíci +1

    In the VC, it is about the distortion and inconvenience. Digital and class A/B baby!

  • @bazedjunkiii_tv
    @bazedjunkiii_tv Před 5 měsíci +1

    i'm glad i don't come across these issues much as i consider my channel to exist on the outer fringes of the outer fringes of what the VC might be for many a reason.
    this being said the mastering engineer defo plays a role in the electronic music world, especially when it comes to certain genres like drum'n'bass, because certain engineers are known to deliver heavier cuts than others, especially when comes to extreme low end of the frequency spectrum which basically is responsible for the dancefloor impact. therefore getting your dubplates cut at music house or any kind of bass music cut and mastered by simon @ the exchange will have an effect on the sound whereas one might wanna go to dubplates & mastering in berlin for a dubtechno record. and if i were to press a drum'n'bass record at rand muzik in germany i'd defo want LXC to cut it and provide a final touch.

  • @davepounds8924
    @davepounds8924 Před 5 měsíci

    I agree with you on a few of your comments about the VC You’re comments about the 150 dollar UHQRS and Steely Dan were right on!! Nobody cared who the mastering engineers were when I first started buying records in the 60s You brought up some good points about today’s VC

  • @dotsloops7486
    @dotsloops7486 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Some interesting points. I don’t care for Elitism and I do agree that exists to some degree. But don’t agree about the “gear” not everyone has the money for top gear. I don’t even know what a pre-amp does? Shame on me I guess. I just want to listen to the record and you know what. I like VHS and tube TVs in the same way I don’t care if my records are a bit noisy at times. Enjoyed the video though. Thanks and subbed

  • @TheVinylVoyage-ud3uf
    @TheVinylVoyage-ud3uf Před 2 měsíci

    Lots of interesting insights into record collecting here. Personally, I’m not really interested in Hi-Fi gear… I’ve got a modest, midrange setup, which does me fine. No issue with what others do, but personally I prefer to spend my cash on more records. I prefer original copies too, but don’t have a problem with buying reissues too… some albums are just too expensive to buy og. I only just started in the VC at Christmas, so not really got involved in any live streams… just working away at improving my videos just now 😂 Great watch pal 👍

  • @bk6678
    @bk6678 Před 5 měsíci +13

    Boy, I sure miss the late Oddbox Topper. For me, he was the soul of the VC.

    • @BeaSides
      @BeaSides Před 5 měsíci +2

      YES! A million times Yes…But some good souls are still here!

    • @theflipside-vinylcommunity
      @theflipside-vinylcommunity Před 5 měsíci +4

      There are lots of great people in the VC that just want to have fun and share a love at music

    • @BeaSides
      @BeaSides Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@theflipside-vinylcommunity Absolutely!

    • @thesixthbeatle
      @thesixthbeatle Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@BeaSides And a million more times yes. Every time another turd starts a channel, chugs a beer before he starts, holds up his records and says 'this is fantastic' I miss Oddbox, and all those who used to be around like him. He was his own man.

    • @BeaSides
      @BeaSides Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@thesixthbeatle Keep holding the line❤️

  • @Russell.S
    @Russell.S Před 5 měsíci +1

    Hi Dave, I’ve seen you on a few streams and always enjoy your perspective, especially your history with album art design. Good luck with the subs campaign. Cheers!

  • @poisonflour6723
    @poisonflour6723 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Love the Steve Westman impression

  • @Doctore_Robert
    @Doctore_Robert Před 5 měsíci +1

    Nice video. I agree with many of your points. I do think you have much to contribute and should maybe consider trying to be a panelist on livestreams as well…we need folks with your common sense and no drama involvement!

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks Doc. There are many who believe the VC is perfection and cannot tolerate even mild criticism. I made an opinion piece to call attention to few questionable things that I have observed over the past months, and I am being portrayed by a few VCers as a blaspheme and heretic 😂. So silly. Regards, Dave.

    • @elliottcrews4997
      @elliottcrews4997 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MODAC Yet you become very defensive when someone calls attention to your chasing subscribers, something that many in the VC find to be inappropriate. Don't take it all too seriously.

    • @thesixthbeatle
      @thesixthbeatle Před 2 měsíci

      eff livestreams, they're the worst. Turds with nothing to say, and hours on their hands to not say it

  • @philipketchum1407
    @philipketchum1407 Před 5 měsíci +5

    I’m old and grew up in the 70s with hundreds of LPs and a pretty darn good stereo system. Even though I still spin some LPs today’s “Vinyl Society” is just not for me. I could add some of my own complaints to this conversation but you did a really good job. Keep up the good work

  • @stephenstevens6573
    @stephenstevens6573 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Agreed with most of your takes. Engineers and producers did make a difference. And you can NEVER get too much of Steely Dan.

    • @michaelwright1602
      @michaelwright1602 Před 5 měsíci

      @@DG-ie5ip I was listening to my local news and traffic station this morning, from Detroit, and darn near all the way to Cleveland Ohio... The AM was skipping... Every five minutes, Taylor swift and Milie Cyrus and the Grammies...
      I was driving along, and thought how much of this music I grew up with was shoved down our throats? The Beatles is at the top of my list. I listen to some of the stuff I grew up with and think, "What the hell was so good about this?" Not much in my book.

  • @olvinyldude
    @olvinyldude Před 3 měsíci

    We have 46,000 + records, and will NEVER give them up ! LOL... and they sound so much better than any other format...I was buying in the record stores since early 60's, and must
    say I really miss the old record stores...I do use quality headphones, when really want to quiet things up a bit...Like Pink Floyd MOFI ...and such... KEEP PLAYING THE MUSIC ! ! !

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yes, they do sound best, but 46k is an absurd amount of records! Thx

    • @olvinyldude
      @olvinyldude Před 3 měsíci

      LOL...yes sir, but I truly love music, about ALL genre...starting with Ragtime, & Big Band ...Best to you !@@MODAC

  • @rufus_the_cat
    @rufus_the_cat Před 5 měsíci +4

    How does one get "a bit" Obsessive Compulsive Disorder? It must be nice for someone to only suffer a slight disorder.

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Good point. Thx

  • @mondoenterprises6710
    @mondoenterprises6710 Před 5 měsíci +4

    But wait, aren't you going to review the latest $60 Television Mofi 180 gram vinyl pressing from the DSD release and rub everybody's nose in it?

  • @michaelwright1602
    @michaelwright1602 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Found a 1970 vintage Sansui receiver, a pair of Zu's and a decent MoFi deck... Listen to quite a bit of Blue Note vinyl, love those old Jazz albums... Something magical about that old Sansui phono stage, and the Zu's, and I was never a fan of Jazz... It sounds SO GOOD! The few new popular music albums I have, meh... Not worth the effort involved, so I stream. And I wash my albums in the sink with Dawn and a sponge... ;-)

    • @ceylonmooney
      @ceylonmooney Před 5 měsíci +2

      man, thats a fantastic system there

    • @michaelwright1602
      @michaelwright1602 Před 5 měsíci

      @@ceylonmooneyThank you! The Sansui and Zu combo is something that one needs to hear to appreciate. None of my modern gear can or could do what this 1970, $200 Sansui 4000 does, without even breaking a sweat. It, and the Zu's, have given me a new appreciation for music.

  • @JK-rt2jj
    @JK-rt2jj Před 5 měsíci +5

    Serious record collecting is today too expensive where I live in the Netherlands. I love a good looking and good sounding record player, there are many around that look so well designed that it’s ownership should open whole new worlds. But in my experience, I listen to classical music mostly, there are not many LPs that sound better than CD. It’s the other way around with classical in so many instances. If you love older jazz music and good quality singer/songwriters it’s another story, I think vinyl takes the first place there. What I’m trying to say is this: it’s not only a matter of personal preference but also of for example ones wallet, availability of good, cheap vinyl and ones favourite genres. Maybe these insights help to understand better opposite positions. I listen to lots of challenging, complex music and I choose to invest in as many CDs (box sets are so great) as my budget can afford, and my 100-150 very good LPs (I own 500 or so) leave me rather cold momentarily. And yes, I own more than decent hifi and turntables as well.

    • @michaelwright1602
      @michaelwright1602 Před 5 měsíci

      I could not agree with you more sir. Check out WRCJ out of Detroit MI, they play classical and jazz, I think you will really enjoy it. The classical is in the morning/daytime hours, and the jazz in the afternoon/evenings. And that is Eastern US time. I am continually impressed with this station and the variety of music. There are no commercials, but the DJ's know their stuff, and give a briefing now and then on the music. Worth a listen.

  • @dimebagdave77
    @dimebagdave77 Před 11 dny

    I hear ya man. It can get out of control and overhyped with a bloated price at times.i just stick to the few that i like in the VC much like yourself. Ive enjoyed your videos👍

  • @ronboyle7776
    @ronboyle7776 Před 5 měsíci +7

    The VC on CZcams has jumped the shark.

  • @jimt9371
    @jimt9371 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Which Roxy Music and Echo & The Bunnymen reissues did you show?

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      First album and Ocean Rain.

    • @jimt9371
      @jimt9371 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@MODAC Thanks for the reply. I actually meant which pressings. I'm always looking to get upgrades

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Check my instagram. Details are there: @myown.devices

  • @hanksta34
    @hanksta34 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Waiting for the next video to drop Dave. How about with your audiophile neighbor again? What's he been up to? Would love to see you listen to a handful of musical selections with him and just your watch your reactions.

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      Watch my recent Kitsune LCR-1 video. Ross is in it.

  • @contemporaryhomeaudio
    @contemporaryhomeaudio Před 5 měsíci +1

    Spot on!

  • @scottrap
    @scottrap Před 5 měsíci +1

    Regarding mastering, yes, that’s so true. I never once heard the name, Robert Ludwig during my youth.

    • @bazedjunkiii_tv
      @bazedjunkiii_tv Před 5 měsíci +1

      well... in the electronic music world which is my sonic playing field, more specifically in the club music branch of it, getting your records mastered and cut by specific engineers has always been discussed because certain engineers had specialized in certain genres and were x are able to provide an extra bit of oomph to a record and therefore more dancefloor impact which probably made certain records stick out more in the context of a dj set.

  • @gcahill51
    @gcahill51 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I agree with your premise and laud you on the use of the word “quibble,” but don’t agree with your three favorites, two of whom personify your premise. Anyway, keep on Keepin’ on

  • @Universityofvinyl
    @Universityofvinyl Před 5 měsíci +3

    Dave! You’re too kind - thanks for the shout out. I enjoyed this one although I started to squirm when you mentioned the Steely Dan obsession and Mastering Engineer “rocckstar-itis”. 😅😳😅

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Just having a bit of fun. Keep doing what you do.

  • @temporoboto
    @temporoboto Před 5 měsíci +1

    cool

  • @TheDigitalGramophone
    @TheDigitalGramophone Před 5 měsíci +4

    You must have the Guinness World Record for owning the world’s broadest brush.

  • @davidpetersen7091
    @davidpetersen7091 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great discussion!
    Mr.Pete------>
    aging hippie

  • @theflipside-vinylcommunity
    @theflipside-vinylcommunity Před 5 měsíci +12

    I made a response to this video. I don’t care if you watch it but I feel as if your video made sweeping generalizations of the VC while you only spoke about a small section of it. The VC is a large community that is diverse and inclusive not all of us are audiophiles or have systems that cost more than our cars. Be we love this hobby and our videos are filled with fun and a love for music. When you make a video like this I feel it may detour people from joining the VC. Most of us in the vinyl community have worked hard to get rid of gatekeepers and to be inclusive no matter what you system is , what you listen to or how you collect. You video to me made it sound like all members of the VC are a bunch of headphone wearing jerks. Thanks for trying to knock down this community and not worrying at all that the majority of people in the VC are not the way you described

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      I looks like you deleted my comment from your video.
      No one REALLY cares what I have to say, but there are actually some thoughtful individuals who agree with my pov. A few very popular VCer have private messaged me to say that I made some good points.
      It sounds like you believe your VC is total perfection and is immune to even the mildest criticism. That it’s so fragile that if anyone points out even the smallest shortcoming, that it will shatter into a million pieces. Your hyperbole is a bit over the top, don’t you think.

    • @theflipside-vinylcommunity
      @theflipside-vinylcommunity Před 5 měsíci

      @@MODAC no I do not belive that that VC perfect and it has many flawed and I did not see your comment or delete it. What I do feel is you could have called out specific channels but instead spoke about the VC as a whole. It completely hurt my feelings and upset me because thousands in this community do not do anything you said in your video. The community is not just those that make videos but those that comment day in and day out. Over the last 5 years we have tried to make a community that inclusive. When I first started there were all these people that would put people down because they had Crowley players or what they listed to and over the last 5 years we have seen that shrink. So why would I not be offended by the comment’s made in your video. I sure you are a nice guy and in my videos said you are entitled to your opinion but I wish you had spoke specifically about the channels you do not like and not the community as a whole

    • @theflipside-vinylcommunity
      @theflipside-vinylcommunity Před 5 měsíci

      Man I wish you and your channel well I do not hold any ill will against you but I did feel I had to defend the member of the VC that make up the majority that are good people just having fun. I hope you can see that. I am a good guy I promise you and wish you could understand for most of us the VC is just a place to talk to people that love records

  • @patrickboegel
    @patrickboegel Před 5 měsíci +1

    Dave, start your own panels and guide some discussions that interest you. No need to be beholden to a set group of panels. I get where you are coming from but there’s some inconsistency in the points conflicting a touch. But overall the space of music and then the microcosm of vinyl has a lot of subjectivity.

  • @aaronhayman8558
    @aaronhayman8558 Před 5 měsíci

    I agree with you on the Steely Dan thing, though I feel that this particular obsession is one that audiophile types are more into, than record collectors generally are. I'm kind of a fair weather Steely Dan fan, but I can appreciate how nicely mixed and how hi fi their records tend to be. Nonetheless, my favorite of their albums, Aja is one that I have a very old copy of, and it already sounds great to me, so why would I want to bother chasing down one that supposedly sounds even more perfect? A remastered reissue album makes more sense to me when the original album was lacking in some way...

    • @hanksta34
      @hanksta34 Před 5 měsíci

      How could you be a fair weather fan of The Dan? They are proven winners like Tom Brady with all his Super Bowl rings.

    • @aaronhayman8558
      @aaronhayman8558 Před 5 měsíci

      @hanksta34 Easy, I often find myself in the mood for something with a bit more grit, which is 99% of everything else in my large record colelction. Sometimes, I can get with the ultra-smooth sound of "the Dan," but not so often...

  • @SonicPVC
    @SonicPVC Před 5 měsíci +6

    I'm not a physicist, but I am pretty sure it is physically impossible for paper to scuff vinyl. It has to be debris that is harder than vinyl, embedded into the paper that scuffs a record.

    • @chopayrussell9660
      @chopayrussell9660 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Although, the modern paper sleeve is not as soft as a vintage sleeve,
      true paper causing damage to plastic is highly unlikely.

  • @curtbradley549
    @curtbradley549 Před 5 měsíci

    Well said !!

  • @davidellis5141
    @davidellis5141 Před 5 měsíci +1

    The Mobile Fidelity controversy was when many in the "VC" lost credibility with manufactured outrage. These analog purists had championed Mobile Fidelity for years & were humbled by having to admit they'd been " duped " ! Made me think of Johnny Rotten at the final Sex Pistols show in 1978 sneering at the audience " Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated ! " Digital is not a four letter word.

  • @aa5az423
    @aa5az423 Před 5 měsíci

    First point is great. The rest is doubtful.

  • @brunohebert1351
    @brunohebert1351 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I swear I could have nearly pinpoint who at each of the references ;-)
    I remember watching you on one of the panels you mentioned and yes, you look bored and so was I, didn't go through all of it.
    Do you know @RobertFithen? He's one of my favorites, never taking himself seriously and he remains focused on the music.
    Wish I could subscribe twice but YT won't let me hehe

  • @primeanalogrecords
    @primeanalogrecords Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great video and I think quite through! I like how you called out the “lives” where the most pretentious like to dwell! Btw the two channels you mentioned are some of the biggest offenders in pompous education for the VC! And if you’re not an absolute nut about the Beatles then there is rarely a soft place to fall! Keep up the fun videos!

  • @mat.b.
    @mat.b. Před 5 měsíci

    I also tear off (or cut with scissors) the original rough white paper sleeves. Don't want to risk more scratches, and it happens often enough in shipping. Don't see how that's over the top, just taking care.

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci +1

      It is over the top. No doubt about it.

  • @zzt231gr
    @zzt231gr Před 5 měsíci +8

    Most of these people have at best mid level equipment and the speakers cramped in some corner...Talkin about hearin all the detail!!

  • @geoffreydebrito7934
    @geoffreydebrito7934 Před 5 měsíci +1

    That picture with CDs scattered all of the floor... is that a joke? If so, how does that add to the discussion? If not, you're contradicting yourself. Since no matter how good the gear, dirty maybe even scratched CDs are not going to allow the equipment to demonstrate its optimal fidelity. And if before playing them you're going to clean them up, then what's the point of showing them all scattered on the floor?

  • @Ross1966
    @Ross1966 Před 5 měsíci

    Are those Magnepan speakers there?

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Yes

    • @Ross1966
      @Ross1966 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MODAC very nice! I’ve owned a few over the years. I just started a new channel. Please stop by if you are able.

  • @LPS-R-US
    @LPS-R-US Před 5 měsíci

    Interesting tropic. I always wonder why my videos don't always get the love (by views I mean) that I put into each and every one??

  • @sidesup8286
    @sidesup8286 Před 5 měsíci +6

    What % of vinyl people buy vinyl with mainly sound quality in mind? What happens when they hear a high end cd player (which still is less than their yearly expenditure on viny), that sounds way better than their vinyl? Even if you got a $2,500 turntable/ cartridge, a high end cd player can equal or surpass it for sound quality. If you have the kind of turntable most lp collectors have; there are cd players you can buy used on ebay for less than $70 that will embarrass it for sound quality After hearing an amazing cd player, do they look at their walls full of lps, their excess lp storage room which used to be a bedroom, and say to themselves "I never had to do all this." All this space being taken up. I could have as many cds as this, tucked away in a closet. All that money gone! $30, $50, $100, $150 an lp, thrown to the wind. Not to mention all that time spent trying to find the best pressings. One of the hardest parts is when they try to re-sell them. They might get lucky on getting a good price for some of them, buy with maybe 90% of them, people are not going to come knocking to pay a collectible price. At some point they realize they made a mistake. They took things too far. Way too far.
    There are less of them now, spouting out that vinyl sounds so superior. Most of these so called "golden ear" people couldn't hear that Mofi was using DSD files as their "master" until the cat was let out of the bag. Michael Fremer said the Mofi Abraxas by Santana lp had the best sound quality he ever heard. Later it was revealed to have been a digitally mastered lp. But then again Fremer was the guy that said that Sportin' Life was the best Weather Report album, in his short lived magazine, The Tracking Angle. I sort of enjoy him though.
    It wasn't the cds for the most part. Most of them are absolutely wonderful sounding. It was the cd players. Brightness, edge accentuation, harshness, thinness, strange new distortions, hardness, diluted tone colors, an overly electronic character, and a mechanical character, all can make the sound un-agreeable. But the better cd playback equipment have none of those characteristics at all! They sound analog but without the noise. Not that many people realize that. I know, because my mods have turned my not so very expensive cd players into something that directly competes with very high end turntable/cartridges. I owned some very high end turntable/cartridges and I can hear when I've never heard certain very familiar music in anywhere near this good a sound; being used to hearing it on vinyl for so many years, before the switch. I still play lps too and love them, but I'm glad I found out how good cds actually are. I recently bought a huge lot of them with good artists for what came out to 7 cents a cd. Thanks to my modding, I didn't have to pay doodly squat for cd olayback equipment that is this good. It's a fun time to be a cd-phile.

    • @michaelwright1602
      @michaelwright1602 Před 5 měsíci

      Myself, I prefer streaming... BUT! I do have one of those TT's, and use a vintage 1970 Sansui 4000 stereo receiver to pump out the sound to a pair of Zu DW6 Supremes... The vinyl just has something to it that streaming and CD just cannot pull off. I think for many of us, at least us old farts, is the memories vinyl brings back. And that is how I look at vinyl, and the reason I now use a vintage Sansui. Vinyl through the Sansui, at least for me, takes me back in time. And then the Zu's... OMG.

    • @sidesup8286
      @sidesup8286 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Some of what I do inside the player. doesn't even involve soldering. A lot of it has to do with lessening resonances and vibration. The last cd player I modded was a CAL. In fact the same one as the host of this channel did a video on once. It's a heavy beast for a cd player. Many things over the years that I've tried as far as modding cd players. Most are creative ideas of my own, some ideas I got from others. There was a guy on another channel that mentioned his new Ayon cd player internally & intentionally flooded the inside of the cd player with red light light.The laser also emits red light. I tried it with something I had around which had little red lights powered by a little battery pack. The cd tray on this particular player has plenty of room behind the sliding cd drawer assembly. It made enough difference to be worthwhile. Lessening stray eddy currents inside players, reduces glare. Glare is one of the things that make cd playback less likeable than analog; until it's eliminated.The internal red light idea from a $15k cd player you can incorporate cheaply. Don't stare into the inside of a cd player when it is on. Stray laser light is not good for the eyes. About 50 more things I do internally, and if they each average a 3% improvement, after all the mods are done; you really have something there.

  • @immovableobjectify
    @immovableobjectify Před 5 měsíci +3

    "...emerged from animosity"?... Did you mean "anonymity"?

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes, I messed up. First time ever 😂!

  • @RockNRod.
    @RockNRod. Před 5 měsíci +2

    100% agree. This was this video I always wanted to make, but now I do not need to. I think the mastering engineer interviews have run their course as well.

    • @bronsonosborne3962
      @bronsonosborne3962 Před 5 měsíci

      i love the INTERVIEWS with the MASTERING ENGINEERS and the vinyl record plant tours

  • @richardriley4415
    @richardriley4415 Před 5 měsíci +7

    You are right on the money. At 82 I'm the oldest active member. I've been uploading videos for 10 years. The live streamers have changed the culture for the worse.

  • @Shawn_the_GREAT
    @Shawn_the_GREAT Před 5 měsíci

    I fully believe headphone listening is the most pure musical experience. everybody else is listening to their "room"

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      Not at all accurate, sorry to disagree with you.

  • @staggerlee6794
    @staggerlee6794 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Dude, You can just not click on videos you aren't interested in. 😂

  • @elliottcrews4997
    @elliottcrews4997 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Interesting take. My biggest beef with the VC is when they beg for people to subscribe to their channel.

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      Everyone does that.

    • @TheDigitalGramophone
      @TheDigitalGramophone Před 5 měsíci +2

      Which he did

    • @TheDigitalGramophone
      @TheDigitalGramophone Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@MODAC No they don’t

    • @elliottcrews4997
      @elliottcrews4997 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MODAC Not really. Lots of people make VC videos for the enjoyment of it and don't care about subs. I've done hundreds of VC videos and probably mentioned subs a half dozen times.

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      I don’t just watch VC videos. Most every channel I watch usually do that.

  • @cosmicvinyl2937
    @cosmicvinyl2937 Před 5 měsíci +1

    This really seems kind of nitpicky and just because you don’t like something in the music on vinyl world doesn’t mean it’s not important to someone else. I’ve been in the VC going on 7 years and I’m having more fun watching and making videos than I ever have! If you don’t like something in our community then simply don’t watch but don’t come on here with your ridiculous petty hang ups You obviously have not done a little slumming in the community or you may actually find it enjoyable But you go ahead and keep riding your high horse and keep making your critiques videos and be bored to tears cuz you’re obviously not from the same VC that I dwell in Peace ✨✌️👽✨

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      I am a proud nitpicker. Thx

  • @scottrap
    @scottrap Před 5 měsíci +2

    There is one channel in particular where political opinions were discussed. I’m not watching VC videos to hear that crap

  • @block-head2982
    @block-head2982 Před 5 měsíci +2

    So what if people use headphones to listen to records, why do you care. If someone is enjoying records that’s what matter, who gives a damn. You seem to be focusing a lot on the anal retentive audiophile side of the vc, that’s a pretty small percentage. Not everyone one can afford an original copy of everything, that being said I’d much rather prefer an original.

  • @stevezeidman7224
    @stevezeidman7224 Před 5 měsíci +3

    You’re right on the money, Dave.

  • @redcomusic
    @redcomusic Před 5 měsíci

    The VC won't admit that they have a fetish problem. It's not about the music, but rather a fetish for a format and/or nostalgia. The rest of the normal polite society has moved on. As evidenced by the live streams and these people's videos, they were never part of such normal polite society.
    - Red

  • @sasha-fe2bl
    @sasha-fe2bl Před 5 měsíci +2

    How are u gonna complain about elitists and then be elitist about speakers over headphones lol

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      I didn’t know that loudspeakers are elitist.

  • @carlitomelon4610
    @carlitomelon4610 Před 5 měsíci

    "Welp...at least Michael is not playing violent computer games" his 90 year old mother sighs.
    "And at least he gets a bit of exercise riding his penny-farthing bike to the record stores to buy more shellac 78s. Otherwise he'd spend his whole life in my basement!"
    Seriously tho,
    Theres too much New Music to find and experience at least once, why devote the little time we have left to old Steely Dan pressings? (Ok maybe I'll dig that old LP for a spin later....or just stream it;-)
    Yep, since Qobuz I have to say "Why-nyl??"
    Thanks for this discussion
    🎵🎶🤫🎶🎵

  • @The_Mister
    @The_Mister Před 5 měsíci +1

    I just hate the “essential records to own” videos. Everyone has the same records on their list, and it’s all the same music you hear on the radio. Blah. Nothing is essential but the music you actually want to listen to.

    • @bazedjunkiii_tv
      @bazedjunkiii_tv Před 5 měsíci

      that's one thing about the VC - a lot of folks listening to the same albums and considering the albums to be essential. honestly i was quite surprised when i saw bigstar1000 talk about malo moray & his inflatable knee in one of his videos because this was actually the first time ever i saw a VC member dealing with an album i had talked about on my channel as well.

  • @amb3cog
    @amb3cog Před 5 měsíci

    6:20 "They have emerged from animosity"?
    Why were they so hostile in the first place? ✌️

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci +1

      First ever f-up!

    • @amb3cog
      @amb3cog Před 5 měsíci

      @@MODAC 🤣🤣🤣 Oh yea. I've never screwed up either. 🤞✌️

  • @JBLClassic
    @JBLClassic Před 5 měsíci +2

    When my dad was looking for new speakers in the 90's, every shop we'd go to they would try to play Steely Dan and my dad hated it. I can tolerate it slightly, but not enough to really care and I definitely don't want to watch a 1 hour livestream about it.

  • @jeremywhittler8591
    @jeremywhittler8591 Před 5 měsíci

    Tube guys and their forums are the strangest of the bunch.
    Yeah tubes sound great, but its like thier a vegan always throwing in thier 2 cents no matter how expensive your solid state is.
    Thier generally some odd ducks.
    The odd thing i found about playing LP's is they sound great on a higher end D class.
    It has to be nostalgia, when we were kids an LP set up was muddy in comparison lets be honest....
    That goes for speakers as well.
    What was a cerwin vega VS is now a magnepan LRS+ and thiers no comparison.

  • @johnholmes912
    @johnholmes912 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I'm not a fan of Steely Dan

  • @ThatVinylChannel
    @ThatVinylChannel Před 4 měsíci +1

    Just for the record (pun intended), I have never mentioned Steely Dan on my channel. Don't get me wrong, he's okay. But, he's not one of the artists I am passionate enough about to bring up on my channel. Nahh, I have unboxing videos with white paper sleeves. I would rather poly-lined sleeves as it leaves less residue on the album that would need to be cleaned off, but other than that, which is minor, it's not a biggie. I actually prefer sealed classic albums. They sound the best as they are OG and no one has played them.

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 4 měsíci

      Steely Dan is a he??? 😂

    • @ThatVinylChannel
      @ThatVinylChannel Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@MODAC I always thought so. I only have like one or two Steely Dan 45s and that's it. Never really paid much attention whether it was a he or a band name or ?? :)

  • @christophercruz8359
    @christophercruz8359 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I agree with only two points made: 1) Never waste good vinyl on poor-sounding equipment
    2) There is never too much vinyl of any artist or band, up to and including Steely Dan. While I'm not that much of a fan, complaining about this issue is nonsensical.

  • @bkatbamna
    @bkatbamna Před 5 měsíci +3

    Part of the anger of finding out that the LPs were cut from digital masters is the feeling of the Emperor's New Clothes of waxing eloquently about the magic of pure analog. The Golden Ears crowd had the rug pulled out from under their feel.

  • @dano-jafo
    @dano-jafo Před 2 měsíci

    Lighten up dude with a Doobie

  • @Boggedy
    @Boggedy Před 5 měsíci +1

    Personally I don't pay attention to anyone in "the VC." They're mostly kids who think that they're experts but actually know nothing. And are highly susceptible to buying snakeoil. AND say "like" every 3 or 4 words. In short, not very knowledgeable.

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      A few good points there.

  • @thesixthbeatle
    @thesixthbeatle Před 5 měsíci

    What's wrong? 'Norman Maslof' that's what 's wrong

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      Why?

    • @thesixthbeatle
      @thesixthbeatle Před 5 měsíci

      @@MODAC Selfishness, egotism, lies, hypocrisy...anything else you need to know?

    • @MODAC
      @MODAC  Před 5 měsíci

      Hmmm. Besides having a bit of an ego, I haven’t really noticed.

    • @thesixthbeatle
      @thesixthbeatle Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@MODAC He shows up and destroys every livestream there is. It's to the point where people are asking him to please refrain for a while. You can only take hearing about how he is from S.F. and virtually put them on the R N R map so many times....

  • @FleagleSangria
    @FleagleSangria Před 5 měsíci

    No no no, you have it all wrong, reissues are the way to go. I repeat DO NOT buy all those crummy sounding originals and older reissues! Stop looking at deadwax too! There is nothing to see. Its all about the music. In fact, just buy cds and leave the old musty record buying to us weirdos. Its an ugly club. Yuck. Yes, yuck.
    ;)

  • @ndrsnvrz
    @ndrsnvrz Před 5 měsíci +2

    😴

  • @charlieanderson8497
    @charlieanderson8497 Před 5 měsíci

    Spot on !!!