That Pedal Show - How To Use More Than One Amp
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Who doesn't want to use two or more amps?
In this video, Daniel and Mick demonstrate and explain the things you need to think about when using more than one amp.
First off, using two or more amps can sound FANTASTIC, but when you do it there are a couple of things you need to do, namely making sure the amps are electrically isolated from one another - to eliminate ground loop hum - and also that they are in phase.
Plugging into a Marshall JTM45 (reboxed), a Fender Tweed-style Lazy J J20 and a vintage Vox AC30, the guys explain how these classic staples of the amp world can work together to give you a whole new level of tone and inspiration.
In addition to talking about complementary tonal, gain structure and compression characteristics, Daniel and Mick move on to basics of a wet-dry-wet setup: using effects in two 'left' and 'right' amps while keeping the centre amp dry.
If you've never thought about using more than one amp, this video will encourage you to give it a try - c'mon, you know you want to!
Daniel is playing his Gibson Custom 1958 Les Paul reissue and Mick is playing his Fender American Vintage 1962 Stratocaster.
The overdrive pedal used throughout is a JHS Angry Charlie.
Delay and reverb from a Strymon Timeline and Big Sky respectively.
The amps are mic'd individually and recorded into a Zoom H6 portable recorder. Post production and mixing for the left-right splits is done in Logic.
As ever, TheGigRig G2 is handling all the switching effortlessly.
For more on TheGigRig see www.thegigrig.com - Hudba
Please make another video on how to actually connect to those 2 amps, what gadget to use to isolate the two and what gadget is needed for the phase issue... Actual cable routing etc...
Most proper ABY pedals these days have a ground lift switch that isolates the amps and a 180 degree switch that corrects the phase. As far as cable routing, it is really personal preference, depending on what effects you want going to either of the amps. If you want everything to go to both amps, have your ABY at the end of your pedalboard. Otherwise, it depends on taste as long as you have amps that don't hum, and the bass in both amps is corrected {phase}.
@@ryanspencerlauderdale687 Sure. But there is a difference between passive and active ABY. Would love to see the two compared.
@@TotallyUnicorn There’s no comparison passive sucks and doesn’t have the features that you’re asking about just get an active one spend the money
ok... I need to just be told what to buy and how to hook it up.... anyone?
@@scottjua Radial active amp switcher. Blue box, twin city I think it’s called
Could you please do another video on the actual mechanics of running multiple amps, not everyone watching your vids is an audio engineer. Show cords, splitters, etc.
Hi, I dont mean to offend anyone, but I must say that running a budget a/b box can be a nightmare for running multiple amps! And also very dangerous!
Frank Medina why
This will help you connect 2 amps. There is a diagram at this link as well. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BigShotABYv2?adpos=2o9&creative=103263529321&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&product_id=BigShotABYv2&gclid=Cj0KEQjwoqvIBRD6ls6og8qB77YBEiQAcqqHe4XsmJU1YaYgie5XBLBxZwmuIXt5z_sna3pLnnigoDgaAg-h8P8HAQ
Thom Vogan here ya go my dude:
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You fellas are just great. Even after playing guitar for 14 years I find myself learning little tips and tricks from you both. This is a wonderful channel your chemistry and banter back and fourth is just as entertaining and engaging as the knowledge you lay down. I will spread the word to all my guitarist friends about it. Cheers, gentlemen!
how can anybody dislike this is way beyond me...
this video inspired me to try and use my orange breaking up with my fender clean, fantastic tones. thanks guys
this is one of my favorite weekly shows. I love that you guys explore so much within a topic!
This video sould be textbook for everyone dealing with effects! Whatched it several times now, always something new!
I did the 2 wet amps stereo and one dry at my last recording session and it was incredible. Only I really saturated the 2 stereo wets and used a Keeley Caverns plus a Boss Tera Echo and got the amps pretty loud inside a decent sized drum room. Sounded amazeballs!! Like a jet engine inside a whirlwind. Turned out killer on recording. A Fender Twin Stereo left wet, a Fender Deluxe Reverb Stereo right wet both overdriven, and a VHT Pitbull middle dry clean. I was happy I had watched this video before the session and it gave me the idea.
Great video as always gents. I genuinely look forward to my friday after work, a can of frothy stuff and your video! How about a video about expression pedals and some tips to using them with different types of effects?
I recently stumbled across using two amps. I have a 1965 champ. The champ didn't have reverb, so I bought a neunaber (stereo) reverb pedal. Soon after, I ended up buying a new tonemaster deluxe. Loved both, but they sound different. Decided to split the signal from the reverb pedal to both amps to see how some of the different effects worked in stereo. Sounded so good, I cant go without it.
Love these videos, been interested in double (or triple) amping since I saw the Ed O Brien pedalboard video so am glad this video has come about
Love my semi wet/dry rig… two Mesa tremoverbs on a high watt sealed back 4x12 loaded w/G12T75’s. One head w/6L6 one w/EL34’s connected with a Radial switchbone. My CP10, whammy, eq, wah, TS808 & DD5 run thru both amps but chorus & flange & a separate distortion only thru one, and use the true stereo in/outs on my T2 reverb sounds great! I mainly wanted to be able to mix a clean or crunch sound with my full on distorted/lead for clarity and articulation but the clarity of the fx is definitely an added bonus for this shoe gazer!
Had been looking forward to this video all week... here it is and it's incredible! THANKS guys!
remains some of your finest playing mick. no words moment. very nice bravo.
I think this was the first TPS episode that caught my attention.
Keep on rockin! 💪💪
I've come to the expensive conclusion that I need both a Marshall and a Vox.
+xchump Haha, been there and done that. You could do a lot worse !! However, I have just traded my AC30 for a Jet City head and Laney 2x12 ~ hitting the spot when it's paired with my Marshall 100w combo
I have a Marshall JCM2000 combo and a Vox Nightrain head on a Joyo 2x12 cab, both amps I bought used, both heads and cab I paid $1500AUD total
chumpy same here. Though if I have to stick to one, the AC30 would suffice.
chumpy same here. Though if I have to stick to one, the AC30 would suffice.
So so helpful your knowledge of wet &dry rigs is great please expand on it do another video Thankyou
Hey guys I love your show. I just wanted to say that I really appreciated Micks idea at 3:50 when you played the same chord with each setting directly back to back.
While I like to think I understand most of the theory you guys are talking about, I am still very much a novice. Often I can't keep the "sound" in my working memory during verbal segways between them. Also as a novice it is difficult to filter sonic differences between setups when your playing style changes between examples.
Thanks for sharing the great work!
This is really great info. I so appreciate this show. I find it really informative an fun. It took me a bit to warm up to the "Schtick" but I find it keeps my interest and makes it fun. This has become my favorite guitar video pod. THNAK YOU!
+ckjjclan ah, thanks ;)
Same here. Fantastic stuff I have come late and playing catch up. Binge watching right now!
Win! I love it when I find another great guitar CZcams channel. Subscribed!
I use a wet dry wet set up with a Vox on the right, a Fender on the left and and Orange in the centre. I use two Palmer isolation boxes on the left and right to eliminate hum. The sound is massive. I split after the drive and compression and left and right are output through modulation effects and a stereo Boss Harmonist. Each stereo amp has its own delay producing one delay each at different times.
Micks chops & guitar sounded superb with that setup. I realized years ago I like Fender single coil better with effects than humbuckers.
Love the show guys! Very educational. As an idea, you could try and show us which pedals work great with certain amps?
5:54 "You were practicing that for a week before we got here" lol
Great video and awesome sound guys. Thank you. Do you have (or would you do) a tutorial on how to wire / configure a board for 2 amps?
Dan, it would be awesome if you guys did a video on classic small amps for recording! Fender Champ, etc...
Seriously, This video is amazing.
First of all i think i just realized i have better hearing in my left ear.. but secondly i am wearing headphones and wasn't watching but i could literally HEAR dan's smile when it was time to play all 3 amps at once... awesome.
One superb contraption to use when playing two amps simultaneously and to prevent ground loops and phasing problems, is to use the Radial ABY unit. Very affordable.
gmlasam yes, and if you have a little more cash, the Radial JDX pedal does ABY, has an amazing clean boost, and has all the wizardry and switches to manage ground lift and phase issues. The tech for Balck Keys/Dan Auerbach talks about it in the PG Rig Rundown video.
Thats what I use to go between my Deluxe Reverb and my Peavey Classic 50 II
I use the Carl Martin, because it switches between two inputs ~and~ 2 amps (I use the same pedal-board with lap steel and guitar, with same amp-selections for either).
Either signal to either amp......
Just until I decided to go for the second amp, I'm glad about this video info. Stereo and Wet Dry are glorious.
Mick and Dan, start a band. You guys have such great musical chemistry. Make it happen!!!
Your videos make me ITCH to go pick up my axe and try new things. Favourite gear channel. Hands. down.
Marshall with the Lazy J sounds immense. Daniel you should play your Junior more in the videos some can love/hate the sound every time.
Y'all are having too much fun. Every week I learn how to make my rig sound better - and some new feature or inventive way to use my G2!
Just subscribed because of this one video! Great work guys!
Hahaha I love it when Dan said to Mick (6 minute mark) "you werre practising that for a week before you got here" hahahah .... Priceless ....
Mick's jam at around 20:00 was unbelievable.
First of all: thank you for the precious info that is always in your videos!
One question: If I split my (bass) guitar signal using, lets say, a stereo volume pedal and use a fuzz/wha in one path and a clean signal through the other. Then, using an ABY pedal, combine both signals again and feed a single amp. Can expect problems with this kind of arrangement?... thanks!
Honestly, the most educative channel for musicians on CZcams. Daniel, one question.. did the Angry Charlie go through the wet amps (JTM & AC30) as well, or you totally isolated dirt from "modulated" amps? Thanks
Great guys ! I always learn precious tips here
I mix my orange dark terror wit a GK bass amp, sounds awesome for the heavy stuff I play, especially in a band with no bass player
As many others have stated, was there a video made afterwards showing how to setup two amps the way they were describing? Just want to be on the safe side and Daniel is someone I really trust.
that's the first WDW demo i've ever seen that actually shows what it's all about, it sounded f*cking ACE! :D
Using 2 of the same amp with different speakers is also a good way of doing things. I use 2 AC15s with different speakers to fill the sonic spectrum
OK. So what if I'm 5 years late ? It's great playing, sounds, and info. Thanks!
ha! cheers Tim
@@TheGigRigDaniel Hey Daniel. I'm sorry to bother you with this but could you elaborate a bit further on the point you were making at 11:29 about the importance of isolation? I don't quite understand the terminology being thrown around (Earth being the main one) but I'd like to eventually put two amps together someday and I'd rather not embarrassingly kill myself in the process. Are there any links or some detailed tips you could write out that could assist me in doing this safely? Sorry for asking this of you (I'm sure you're very busy) and for it being a slightly macabre subject matter. Thank you for your time.
@@greendayblinkfan182 "earth" is the euro/uk way of referring to what we in the states call "ground"...if that helps at all. Also they've done many follow up vids about stereo, wet dry, wet dry wet rigs, implementing diagrams, etc. that should help make things a bit more clear. just do a search of those terms on the TPS you tube home page and you should get lots of results. Best of luck!
Thanks for the info. Keep up the good work!
Great vídeo!!! It was very helpful to get more ideas how to make a great sound!!! Thank you very much for sharing the information :-)
Brilliant discussion of the amp-specific qualities of pedals. We players tend to get seduced by sounds in our heads and demos that show the pedal in use in isolation--one amp and no other pedals. "What does this pedal sound like" is a bit like asking, "What does this word mean?" (I'm a language teacher living in an East Asia pariah state). I always say, "It doesn't mean anything until you use it. And when you use it, it's always used in relation to some other word or words. Each time you use that word, it may change its meaning because of the words it is now used with." Ditto for pedals--they don't sound like anything until you use them, and when you do, their sound will depend on the amp they're being used with. Throw in some other pedals to make a chain, and the possible changes in sound--for better worse--increase dramatically. Just as some words are rarely or never used together, there are some pedals that are rarely used or never used with each other (impedance, oscillation, etc.) or that don;t sound good through particular amps but sound great through others. Forgive my waxing prolix, but this video is so stimulating! It really gets the synapses sparking!
Hey Daniel, I was wondering if you could do an episode on the differences between a stereo rig vs a wet/dry rig
Awesome video. Very helpful! Thanks!
great videos guys! keep up the great work!
MY Digitech pedal has stereo outputs. I run one cable to a basic Marshall amp set to "clean". (Effects from the Digitech are kept to a minimum, because those effects will be further modified when they reach my other amp.) The other cable runs to a volume pedal, then to a Fender Mustang, which offers various effects and "amplifier replicators". Sounds great when I choose Fender effects that complement the Digitech effects I have chosen. The volume pedal lets me fade or boost the Fender to easily change the overall amount of effects.
That G2 is bloody clever. Great bit of design
Brilliant! Keep 'em coming guys!
I liked the very recent video you did with the Wetter box and Wet/Dry. I would really, really love to see a very elaborate explanation of the best types of wet/dry setups you've found. It seems like you have clean, dry, and wet factors at play as well as tonal compliments. With the wetter box the way you recently did it, you have the clean and dry blended as well as the wet into two amps that compliment each other. I thought that was a neat way to get everything you need from two amps unless you're someone wanting stereo and cleans in the middle which is not me... 3-5 amps seems to be too much at that point.
It seems like you get into philosophy, approach, technicalities, and execution on a lot of topics but haven't ever really done an hour or hour and half long video walking us through from start to finish on wet dry in a very complete fashion. I've definitely definitely learned from the videos you've put up about it, but I feel like this is a subject TPS should still set out to crush one day.
The Vox does both sounds very well. Great amp.
this video is excellent. More people do need to try this. currently running an ampeg gvt52 left, a vox ac30 right, and a vht pittbull 50/12 in class A wet dry wet. try it!
Cheers :)
Question. I recently gigged my 1971 Super Reverb and a Redplate Blackverb Duo together split from my Line 6 M9. Playing a Strat and got No buzz which is seldom, lol. They both sounded amazing and I turned one amp down and vice versa. They sounded amazing and were obviously in proper phase because all the tone was There.... I even unplugged one then the other bc I thought, No way am I not having phase issues... Well I didn't and it sounded great. Do you know why it 'Worked?' I don't that's why I'm askinf because I didn't understand why it sounded flawless with no issues. Thanks in advance.
Awesome video! I've a Marshall JCM800, a Vox and Fender Hot Rod but no G2 yet! hmm....
5:03 I've wondered about this myself and have tried guitar > pedal > headphones to hear what the pedal REALLY sounds like.
Great advice this has helped so much
Wow!! Epic tones ... very, very nice. Not sure the missus won't notice two more amps though :-/
I want to know your guys's thoughts on Vox, Mesa, and the different kinds of fender amps.
Something to think about regarding phase though is that some pedals will naturally invert it. Gain pedals with an odd amount of gain stages will do this as well as many delays, comps, phasers, vibes, trems, flangers, modulation, looper etc. A pedal which could auto adjust the phase inversion would be cool so that you don't need to think about it
Great video!! Please do another video on technical aspects of setting up the rig for multiple amps. If you play two amps in concert without adding power to the signal, i.e., simply splitting the signal via ABY, then doesn't that cut the output power from your guitar in half, i.e., half the current going to each amp? Wouldn't that affect the sound of the amps when playing them alone versus in concert? Yet, wouldn't stacking the "full amplitude" of each amp be potentially really loud? How/ would you account for all that?
Great video! I learned a lot here. Couple of questions! What do you guys think of the Fractal Axe FX 2? Also what is that Marshall cab you are using? That Les Paul sounds amazing through it! It gave me the ear squirts!
Mick getting into that Andy Timmons sound around 21:30. Nice!!
Mick! You need to teach us that quick little run in A Dan called you out on! So sick!
Thanks guys, I have heard that many players use multiple amps and this helped me to understand why and how this is done. I didn't quite get how the stereo effects went to the wet amps and you kept the middle dry. Is this a G2 special feature?
Awesome video! I've a Marshall JCM
The Vox and Marshall Combo is heaven
Brilliant video gents.....enlightening
I just learned so much!
I have
2 Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 100s
Massive ground hum. Also how you you run them? Stereo? Both have fx loops.
Daniel, from now on, your name is The King Of Tone!
*I knew the pedal was named after you! thank you for these videos!
Chuchu my pleasure Chuchu ;)
Hey Dan, could you make a video talking more in detail about the different ways to "split" your signal, whether with different amps or different pedals and what the are right and wrong ways to do this?
I also mean to ask this in the context of where the split happens if your using drives and wet signals, do the splits happen pre drive, post drive, pre wet, post wet, etc.
+Joshua Das Is that not just preference? if you want one amp to not get affected by a pedal or pedals you just split before them... if not, just split after?
Jack White did this in The White Stripes. He's use a blackface Fender Twin Reverb and two 100-Watt Sears Silvertone 6x10 combos to get some mild dirt+crunch. And a fuck ton of sound, which he also liked.
Just two amps? Try this set up that I'll be hooking up this weekend: Feed an MXR EchoPlex preamp into a Radial Bigshot ABY to boost the signal. The two outputs of the ABY go into an MXR Stereo Chorus and an EHX SYNTH9 synthesizer pedal. Each of these pedals has dual outputs which go to a Vox AC15, Orange Micro Terror w/Marshall 4x12, Vox VT20X (modified to drive a Marshall 4x12) and a Fender Rumble 25 bass amp for the "wet" synthesizer output. You can't have a proper wall of sound without a wall of amps.
Mind. Blown.
Also, you just cost me a lot of money and explaining to the wife...
Can't Wait!
I want to see a video on how two guitarists in a band should have there tones set for a big sound and how to equalise them
Awesome video, Daniel!! :-)
Nice save on the whole "girl singer" debacle!! :D
Great stuff guys. Love the show
How to connect the mod, delay and reverb chain in to 2 fx loop amps?
Hi guys. Fantastic show, thanks!
I have a Marshall JCM 900 50w and a MusicMan HD150. Does you think they would work well together?
So how exactly do you run your cables from one amp to the other to use them together, and what do i need to be able to play one, the other, or both simultaneously? I have a mesa boogie dual rectifier which i love, but it has no built in reverb and the clean channel isn't that great for acoustic guitar, so i want to be able to switch to my acoustic amp....or, perhaps, when i'm playing the mesa in full rock distortion mode, pump in the other amp to use its great reverb....any thoughts on this? Thanks!
I love you guys, I even bought a shirt! Now heres the "but". After watching this vid I knew no more on how to set up 2 amp than I did before watching. I watched another vid from some guy in his basement and in half the time I understood how to do it. Pleas, please give more details. Actually do the set up in the vid. You guys are great fun to watch, but you could be awesome with a little more detail.
I have the G2 running my 2 amp set up, a '65 Twin reissue and a Cornford Hurricane.
I've been waiting for this!
It would be nice to see a video on how you hook up two separate amp EFX loops and two amplifiers to a single pedal board.
Can you share a delay pedal in the effects loops of each amp?
I had no idea what you were talking about, but it sounded fucking great!
also, I understand the importance of phase and isolation. but how do I accomplish both of those. what devices do I use to ensure isolation and phase correction?
Thank you, Dan and Mick so much for these segments. You'll probably never know just how useful they are for guys like me. I must have watched this particular video a dozen times and finally decided to give it a go. Months ago, a buddy of mine built me a pretty faithful clone of late 70s Marshall JMP 2204 and after viewing this and other videos, coupled it with a Vox AC15. I also bought a JHS Angry Charlie and found out why you and Andy Timmons love it so much. To top it all off, I bought your HumDinger pedal(what a god send) and routed everything through my Voodoo Labs switching system for a wet/dry setup. My tone has never been bigger. The best part of it all is really understanding how it all works, interacts with itself and applying that knowledge to my live rig. I've never been happier with my tone, but I do have one question in regards to setting up the gain structure for the Vox. Are you, in the video, using the normal input or the top boost input to get you based tone for the Vox and how do you prefer the relationship(as Mick puts it) between the volume tone cut/controls and the master volume?
Hi Anthony, so glad you're enjoying the show. My AC30 has an EF86 input which is very different but personally I much prefer the normal channel to the top boost. I go use the the cut to tame a bit of the top end. Still one of my favourite amps ;)
Awesome!!! What setting of the tone cut control works for you in taming the high end on the AC30?
i only just have it engaged, i do like quite a bright sound
+Daniel TheGigRig Thanks, Dan!!!
great show guys but I am still a bit confused about something. I am using a strymon deco as the last pedal on my board and I was hoping to come from the stereo out into another amplifier for a stereo amp effect. what mechanism do I need to ensure that both amps are in phase and grounded properly and how exactly would I set this up? many thanks in advance for all of your Genius!
If you guys ever come to the Netherlands for a workshop, I will be there!! :-)
I wish you had demonstrated chorus with the wet/dry/wet setup.
By the way, i absolutely love your vids... Best shape-your-guitar-sound videos online anywhere!
Ah, cheers mate, so glad you're enjoying them :) lots more on the way :)))
Wanna use 3 amps. Roland for clean and prs mt15 Marshall dsl20 on dirty. How can I split from Roland to those prs and Marshall pressing 1 switch?
Noah Tillery asked about deluxe reverb / vox in stereo; which I thought would be cool. I tried to reply to Noah; but was unable to do so. Yes - you can do this (I did) and of course it works. I preferred using 2 Deluxes instead; after all they are still rated as the best blues amp and I agree. Of course one can mix / match one's preferred amps! For example - some prefer chime and some prefer sparkle etc of course. Some (Including myself) prefer being able to get those Fender Clean tones. This being said, I have a stereo IO Flashback at the end of the chain and very simply plug the 2 outputs into the 2 amps. Very simple and works excellently. (Stereo Chorus etc into the stereo IO flashback is a very sweet option too BTW) No loops - just old school simplicity. Using 2 Super Champs with different voicings ROCKS too. What is wrong with doing this simple and old school? Maybe I am missing something here. Notably the Deluxes (and champs etc) handle pedals well straight into them. Phase is of course not an issue when using 2 of the same amps. A Radial Big Shot may help with phase diagnosis if needed for non matching amps. This setup works excellently for me! It is so nice I do not want to do singletons at all any more, ever. I find it tonally superior in every way. One "extra" amp and one "extra" cable. How is this too difficult / time consuming / not worth it? Options? Add a center channel for extra goodness. (Thanks Daniel and Mick!) What ever gets you the tone you like - it's all good! I'm just contributing different simpler options here that also work. "That Pedal Show" Rocks!
Please may we have a video dedicated to the HumDinger and it's uses?
Wow what a massive difference. What would be the best way to get a proper wet/dry or wet/dry/wet setup with a switcher (Moen GEC9 or new Boss ES-8) that doesnt have the versatility of the G2? Another great video!
Hey Brian, I am wandering the same exact thing using a Moen Gec9 V2. If you figured it out please respond!!
Do you guys record straight into a DAW and then mix down? Or do you do any post production? Love your vids and thanks!
Great eye opening vid.. thanks.. I'm gonna run my fender super sonic and orange dual terror together.. fender wet ..!