Very effective shooting, to say the least. Franklin seems to have their stuff together in the making of this AR....looks nice to. I especially like they way you pin point your target with the red crosses just prior to executing the shot. Thanks for this.
Nice to see that there is an option to the retched BMag by Savage. AR Semi-auto in 17WSM is a nice alternative to Volquartsen in 17hmr. However, for those that reload, the 17Hornet seems like a much better alternative with more range and loading options .... just no semi-auto. I will be interested to watch this little caliber and see if it survives. If so, guns like this will be a major reason. Thanks for the review. Burt
Nice. I like the AR platform Franklin provides. I've never considered .17 before (I don't like .17 HMR), but I seriously want a Franklin upper in .17 WSM.
+Norman Kellison - After this review, I purchased an upper and absolutely love it. We will be getting in their new SPR upper in soon for another test, so it will be interesting to shoot a lighter version of the upper I currently own. Thanks!
I've watched a number of your videos and I like what you produce. I'm curious if you have shared a video specifically covering the .17 WSM? If not, is it something you can consider?
+Norman Kellison - I actually own 17WSM.com, and have slowly been testing all the rifles that come chambered in the 17WSM caliber, with plans to add the information, as well as ammunition information, to the site. I will begin adding the information/videos come late January, into February. This should be something that will cover EVERYTHING about the 17WSM, including a bit of the history as well. So, in answer to your question, yes, there will be full coverage, dedicated only to the 17WSM coming soon! - I hope this is what you were asking about.
Cool rifle for sure! I wanted one of these before they even had them! Do you think they hit hard enough for coyotes! Because even with a .223 you get some runners with a poor placed shot! But I guess if you hit a vital. That fast little round will do the job! Love to see some coyote hunts! Thanks for the awesome info and video!
Thanks for the kind words! I have shot two coyotes and a bobcat with the 20 grain .17WSM and all dropped quickly. Coyotes are tough animals, so shot placement is definitely really important when you are shooting a .17 caliber bullet, whether in the 17WSM or a .17 Remington! I'm going to try and do more coyote hunts, but in the meantime you can check out some of my results from last year here: www.varminter.com/forums/topic/16312-first-bobcat-and-coyote-fall-2013-17wsm/
Thanks Eric for a cool insight on a badass new Caliber on the AR platform! Are they distributing these rifles all over the US? very interested in checking one out for sure! Thanks!
rednecklowlife - Thanks! Yes, they are distributing the rifles across the US. In fact, they mentioned that they may end up in Cabela's at some point as well!
Franklin Armory is so expensive at the moment same with Volquartsen. Plus 17 WSM ammo is hard to come by, I'll stick with my Savage fluted HB for the time being. Great review though, thank you. Awesome video!
Thanks! Ammo has been showing up everywhere lately (I just bought #10 boxes from Cabela's this morning and it showed as still available a few minutes ago), so get some while you can!
Eric,.I also meant to say I'd like to see the effect that this cartridge/bullet/rifle combination would have on a larger varmint, such as a coyote. I am a subscriber,, so I'll be watching to see what you may do with this.
Last year I killed two coyotes and a bobcat with the 20 grain bullet offering. One coyote was 154 yards and died on the spot. We only got the bobcat on video, but I have not put the video up yet. I'll put anything I get this season up on YT. - Eric
Ive known about this gun for a while now and this just really makes me want to get this gun. Ive wanted a rimfire rifle for awhile now and just haven't made my decision on wether to get the Ruger 17wsm or this gun. I think i have made my decision now :)
guarantee it can't shoot cheaper than a 17 with an AR you make that difference up in the price of the rifle in one shooting if you do a lot of shooting the difference between Rimfire and Centerfire is pennies to the dollar
Finally, you are back :) Well, I have to say that it does not seem the most accurate rifle I watched in your videos. I say so because I know you are a marksman. (I have watched all of your videos) Is it a blowback action carbine? Very beautiful weapon anyway and with such an interesting caliber in every aspect. Regards. Stefano
Actually, the missed shot was my fault, no fault of the rifle! I estimated the distance incorrectly and held wrong. It is a gas-operated piston system, which is the first of its kind for a rimfire cartridge. Head over to my site and read the entire write-up, it has a lot more information in there that is not in the video! www.varminter.com/franklin-armory-f17-l-review-and-hunt-report/ - Thanks! - Eric
2:13 I love how the rabbit doesn't give a fuck. Must have been a war-hardened veteran rabbit. Aren't these rounds super-sonic, resulting in a crack as they go by?
+Alica Ljungberg - Yes they are. The rabbit is probably used to the shots, since we kill so many ground squirrels off those piles of wood. But, we'll never know what it was thinking!
nice concept i still believe the WSM will fall in the shadow of the HMR like the Mach 2 did if you needed anything bigger than an HMR but want to stay the same caliber id just go to the 17 fireball or a 17 hornet
They have a new one announced that is a few hundred dollars less than the one reviewed. It is the Franklin Armory F17-V4. It is still expensive, but worth it, IMO. - Eric
Brennan Johnson - I would wait and see what comes out during the SHOT Show next month. I did not run into the issues others have with their B.MAGs, but Savage did make a change to the 1:8 twist in their newer rifles, so waiting a bit to pick-up one of those may not hurt. Lastly, I think $270 is a little steep in price, as you can find them for less out there. In the meantime, Franklin has released just their upper for the 17WSM and that is next in line for me to purchase!
I wrote this for our partner site. It gives my reasons in more detail (check out the video too): ar15hunter.com/ultimate-varmint-rifle-franklin-armory-f17-ar15-build/
Interesting, but here is what I'm wondering: at 30 cents or more per round, what's the advantage of this over .223? .17WMR involves buying a new gun (or at least AR upper?), and having to be at the mercy of whichever ammo mfr's are willing to mfr this new-fangled ammo. It's maybe 10 cents less per round than .223, but having to buy a new gun or upper will mean that a lot of rounds have to be fired to make the economics work out. Note: I'm pretty new to firearms in general, so hopefully my question isn't a dumb one ;^) .
No dumb questions here. You have some valid points. There are a lot of areas that require rimfire to hunt at night, or on certain public areas, especially during deer season. Quality .223 hunting ammunition is going to be more expensive than this, unless you reload. It's just handy to have a rimfire, where you can grab a box of ammo and go hunting! Lastly, this upper is just really fun! - Eric
***** - True. For example, here in California, I can use this AR15 with no bullet-button to remove the magazine. It may seem like a small advantage, but when you are out shooting varmints in large number, digging around for a tool to release your magazine is the last thing you want to do. - Eric
Excellent! These are legal in the UK because rim-fire. Our gun laws have some similarities to California, but we can have pretty much unrestricted accessories which includes bump-stocks, trigger mods, suppressors & unrestricted mag capacity so it makes sense why this 400ft. lb/3000fps rifle is desirable for gun people over here. We want to incorporate 150rnd drum mags, dual bump-stocks & binary 1.5lb triggers so we can get 900rpm in .17WSM for sporting use :-)
That is a good question, and I do not know. You would have to contact Franklin Armory and ask them: www.franklinarmory.com . Let me know what you find out! - Eric
id rather not, honestly do you think they'd admit it if it WAS possible? since you own one, just break it down and look at the action and compare it to an AR......does it have the same bits where the dias goes??
Zaphod Whiskers - Pick-up the phone and call them. While you have them on the phone, you should also ask them about the Binary Firing System they are working on. - Eric
Yes, and it shoots well. All ammo is made by Winchester, and rebranded. My best results were from one lot of the American Eagle branded ammo. It was awesome!!
No! These are ground squirrels, which carry fleas, that carry the plague and given the ranking of "non-game animal" by our F&G Department. Meaning, shoot as many as you can! - Eric
MrTriumph6661 - We have tree squirrels as well, but although these look like they could be tasty, they are definitely not something you want to eat. Besides the plague fact, they are also cannibalistic and their feces carries disease such as hantavirus. They are also very destructive to crops here in California, so we do our best to get rid of them for farmers! - Eric
What do you do with the squirrels you shoot? Do you skin them and eat them? If so, how do you prepare them and are they good to eat? Would be a shame to just let them rot.
Ground squirrels and prairie dogs are considered non-game animals and are not recommended for human consumption. They have fleas that carry the plaque, as well as other diseases. Nothing goes to waste in nature. Predators such as coyotes and bobcat feast on the non-game animals that are left in the field.
It is built on their standard receiver and upper, so it weighs at what most of their AR15s weigh. Also, in my opinion, it is not that heavy, by AR15 standards. - Eric
+Varminter Magazine I am still in a paradox about this gun. 20 gr shooting in the wind even at 2 kfps may cause me pause out over 100 yards. I am really looking into the CMR-30 in 22 mag. Not as fast but anything over 1.2 kfps at 30 to 50 gr has to be more stable out to 200 yards and pack more energy. My Father and I were avid Ground Hog hunters going back to the early 60s. Weapon of choice was the my Dads 22-250.. Awesome gun. I believe it was a Remington bolt action. Even at 55 gr these bullets were HOT HOT HOT. Somewhere around 3.5 kfps at the muzzle you dare not even hit a blade of grass or the bullet would just vaporize. My longest shot with that gun was 375 yards. The only part of the hog I saw was its head just out of the hole. That was all I needed. My Dad said I missed but I said NO WAY.. So I sprinted down and across that field and counted 425 steps. Yep, there it was. Hit it right in the mouth. My Father just shook his head and said Good Shot Son. Those were good times. I was 14, my Dad was 33 and we were hunting and fishing buddies 24/7. My Dad is now 82 and I 63. I wonder if Ground Hogs go to Heaven.
+Willy Durf - Run ballistics charts on both rounds, and I think you will be surprised on the difference in drift between the two out at the 200 yard range. Because their is less surface area on the 20 grain bullet, and because its speed means less time for wind to "push" it. The .22 magnum goes much slower, so it will be affected more by wind and drift. Great shot on the ground hog (and I don't think they go to heaven)!
EMMMMMMM, rodents, DEE _ LISH!. skin em , par boil, pan fry with very thin tater slices. and cold BEER....lotsa BEER..Dont tell your pals what they ate until they is too far away to beat yo ass lol.
They are considered varmints that do a lot of damage to the prairies where cattle and other livestock roam. If their numbers are not kept in check, they can spread quickly. Also, they carry fleas that spread disease. Nothing we left was wasted, as the predators will always come in and clean up the remains.
***** are you using non leaded rounds? If we had used all are kindergarden skills back in the day ,& 'cleaned up after are selves', it might have saved us from the lead ban!
I don't know why the hell I hold my breath when you guys shoot them things but it helps you get them every time
Haha! We are depending on you, so keep it up!! 😉
Great marksmanship
Thanks!
Very effective shooting, to say the least. Franklin seems to have their stuff together in the making of this AR....looks nice to.
I especially like they way you pin point your target with the red crosses just prior to executing the shot. Thanks for this.
Thanks for the kind words! - Eric
Beautiful rifle and prefect shots 👏🏼
240 yards, nice. Liked, subscribed.
Thanks! - Eric
Nice to see that there is an option to the retched BMag by Savage. AR Semi-auto in 17WSM is a nice alternative to Volquartsen in 17hmr. However, for those that reload, the 17Hornet seems like a much better alternative with more range and loading options .... just no semi-auto. I will be interested to watch this little caliber and see if it survives. If so, guns like this will be a major reason. Thanks for the review. Burt
I like the looks of that rifle!
Nice. I like the AR platform Franklin provides. I've never considered .17 before (I don't like .17 HMR), but I seriously want a Franklin upper in .17 WSM.
+Norman Kellison - After this review, I purchased an upper and absolutely love it. We will be getting in their new SPR upper in soon for another test, so it will be interesting to shoot a lighter version of the upper I currently own. Thanks!
I've watched a number of your videos and I like what you produce. I'm curious if you have shared a video specifically covering the .17 WSM? If not, is it something you can consider?
+Norman Kellison - I actually own 17WSM.com, and have slowly been testing all the rifles that come chambered in the 17WSM caliber, with plans to add the information, as well as ammunition information, to the site. I will begin adding the information/videos come late January, into February. This should be something that will cover EVERYTHING about the 17WSM, including a bit of the history as well. So, in answer to your question, yes, there will be full coverage, dedicated only to the 17WSM coming soon! - I hope this is what you were asking about.
***** Thanks!
I must get that rifle
Cool rifle for sure! I wanted one of these before they even had them! Do you think they hit hard enough for coyotes! Because even with a .223 you get some runners with a poor placed shot! But I guess if you hit a vital. That fast little round will do the job! Love to see some coyote hunts! Thanks for the awesome info and video!
Thanks for the kind words! I have shot two coyotes and a bobcat with the 20 grain .17WSM and all dropped quickly. Coyotes are tough animals, so shot placement is definitely really important when you are shooting a .17 caliber bullet, whether in the 17WSM or a .17 Remington! I'm going to try and do more coyote hunts, but in the meantime you can check out some of my results from last year here: www.varminter.com/forums/topic/16312-first-bobcat-and-coyote-fall-2013-17wsm/
Thanks Eric for a cool insight on a badass new Caliber on the AR platform! Are they distributing these rifles all over the US? very interested in checking one out for sure! Thanks!
rednecklowlife - Thanks! Yes, they are distributing the rifles across the US. In fact, they mentioned that they may end up in Cabela's at some point as well!
Thanks V.M.
The 17 mag will reach out and touchem
Interesting stuff. Had no idea it was piston.
Nuce video quality!
Thanks! - Eric
that was awesome, those are nice but spendy . i put a boyd stock on my savage and it cut down on the flyers.
Franklin Armory is so expensive at the moment same with Volquartsen. Plus 17 WSM ammo is hard to come by, I'll stick with my Savage fluted HB for the time being. Great review though, thank you. Awesome video!
Thanks! Ammo has been showing up everywhere lately (I just bought #10 boxes from Cabela's this morning and it showed as still available a few minutes ago), so get some while you can!
Levon Austin - Cabelas.com online.
Wow. Great rifle review. Very interested.
Thanks! We were in Northern Arizona on private land. - Eric
Awesome. I am hoping to move to AZ soon.
Eric,.I also meant to say I'd like to see the effect that this cartridge/bullet/rifle combination would have on a larger varmint, such as a coyote.
I am a subscriber,, so I'll be watching to see what you may do with this.
Last year I killed two coyotes and a bobcat with the 20 grain bullet offering. One coyote was 154 yards and died on the spot. We only got the bobcat on video, but I have not put the video up yet. I'll put anything I get this season up on YT. - Eric
I've shot coyotes with mine it puts them right down but good shot placement helps alot
@@danielsmith7890 Yes, Daniel I've found that out since,.. and you're not kidding!
Thanks
Ive known about this gun for a while now and this just really makes me want to get this gun. Ive wanted a rimfire rifle for awhile now and just haven't made my decision on wether to get the Ruger 17wsm or this gun. I think i have made my decision now :)
+Kyle Muennink - You will have a blast with it!
What is the effective distance that 17 wsm bullets can reach if used on this weapon ?
I've shot varmints out to 300 yards with zero issues. Farther too, but those are not typical shots. Shot placement is always key!
I dig the .17's, but upwards of $13-1500 for the rifle? I'll pass on that one. I can build two to three AR's and shoot it cheaper.
guarantee it can't shoot cheaper than a 17 with an AR you make that difference up in the price of the rifle in one shooting if you do a lot of shooting the difference between Rimfire and Centerfire is pennies to the dollar
Finally, you are back :)
Well, I have to say that it does not seem the most accurate rifle I watched in your videos. I say so because I know you are a marksman. (I have watched all of your videos)
Is it a blowback action carbine? Very beautiful weapon anyway and with such an interesting caliber in every aspect.
Regards.
Stefano
Actually, the missed shot was my fault, no fault of the rifle! I estimated the distance incorrectly and held wrong. It is a gas-operated piston system, which is the first of its kind for a rimfire cartridge. Head over to my site and read the entire write-up, it has a lot more information in there that is not in the video! www.varminter.com/franklin-armory-f17-l-review-and-hunt-report/ - Thanks! - Eric
LOVE IT, QUIVER TIME
.17 mag!! Got some punch huh? Recently got the Savage and just enjoy shooting it more each time.
Love the shot at 7:27! I gots to have one! :)
2:13 I love how the rabbit doesn't give a fuck. Must have been a war-hardened veteran rabbit.
Aren't these rounds super-sonic, resulting in a crack as they go by?
+Alica Ljungberg - Yes they are. The rabbit is probably used to the shots, since we kill so many ground squirrels off those piles of wood. But, we'll never know what it was thinking!
+Varminter Magazine Probably sacrificed himself to save a Squirrel. Crazy Rabbit. Probably kilt him and the squirrel he was trying to safe.
Alica Ljungberg he was just deaf
nice concept i still believe the WSM will fall in the shadow of the HMR like the Mach 2 did if you needed anything bigger than an HMR but want to stay the same caliber id just go to the 17 fireball or a 17 hornet
Don Rather and pay nearly double for ammo
Verygood
Thank you!
good shooting
nice video!!
Thanks a lot! - Eric
Love the rifle. Wish i could afford it lol
They have a new one announced that is a few hundred dollars less than the one reviewed. It is the Franklin Armory F17-V4. It is still expensive, but worth it, IMO. - Eric
***** What was your opinion on the Savage B mag? Local bimart has them for a great price, and I was even able to find ammo for it.
***** it's only $270 for the small barreled version.
Brennan Johnson - I would wait and see what comes out during the SHOT Show next month. I did not run into the issues others have with their B.MAGs, but Savage did make a change to the 1:8 twist in their newer rifles, so waiting a bit to pick-up one of those may not hurt. Lastly, I think $270 is a little steep in price, as you can find them for less out there. In the meantime, Franklin has released just their upper for the 17WSM and that is next in line for me to purchase!
***** it's $270 for the light barrel model
For squirrel hunting, would this destroy too much meat?
Headshots would be required, but that is with any of the 17 rimfires.
2:32 Dat backflip.
What in your opinion makes this the perfect varmint rifle versus the same gun chambered in 5.56?
I wrote this for our partner site. It gives my reasons in more detail (check out the video too): ar15hunter.com/ultimate-varmint-rifle-franklin-armory-f17-ar15-build/
Interesting, but here is what I'm wondering: at 30 cents or more per round, what's the advantage of this over .223? .17WMR involves buying a new gun (or at least AR upper?), and having to be at the mercy of whichever ammo mfr's are willing to mfr this new-fangled ammo. It's maybe 10 cents less per round than .223, but having to buy a new gun or upper will mean that a lot of rounds have to be fired to make the economics work out.
Note: I'm pretty new to firearms in general, so hopefully my question isn't a dumb one ;^) .
No dumb questions here. You have some valid points. There are a lot of areas that require rimfire to hunt at night, or on certain public areas, especially during deer season. Quality .223 hunting ammunition is going to be more expensive than this, unless you reload. It's just handy to have a rimfire, where you can grab a box of ammo and go hunting! Lastly, this upper is just really fun! - Eric
***** also in some states/countries this is the only ar15 that would be legal
***** - True. For example, here in California, I can use this AR15 with no bullet-button to remove the magazine. It may seem like a small advantage, but when you are out shooting varmints in large number, digging around for a tool to release your magazine is the last thing you want to do. - Eric
***** Great replies -- thanks. I'm pretty intrigued by this caliber for some reason -- but I'm just a target plinker, for now.
17wsm.head shots are the way to take pray.,otherwise it is overkill with any other shot.
These are varmints that will not be eaten, so a destructive and quick death in any manner possible is best.
Will they be making a higher capacity mag for this? 10rnds is demonstrating freedom restriction! 30rnds mags needed or a 100 rnd double beta mag :-)
They are working on a 20 round mag that should be released soon. I don't know if they will go larger!
Excellent!
These are legal in the UK because rim-fire. Our gun laws have some similarities to California, but we can have pretty much unrestricted accessories which includes bump-stocks, trigger mods, suppressors & unrestricted mag capacity so it makes sense why this 400ft. lb/3000fps rifle is desirable for gun people over here.
We want to incorporate 150rnd drum mags, dual bump-stocks & binary 1.5lb triggers so we can get 900rpm in .17WSM for sporting use :-)
what part of Az are the grasslands? 4:45 minute mark. You had said 90 miles N.
Thank you for the review.
+Azi Az - NE Arizona on private land.
Wish someone made that rifle in a 22WMR
So do I!! A full line of rimfires in this gun would be my dream!
Do you prefer this over the Volquartsen?
Can you use a standard AR lower with that upper or is there some differences?
+denrizza - Standard lower can be used. My final build (shown elsewhere), uses an Aero Precision Burnt Bronze lower.
can they be eaten maybe in a stew?
since its an ar look alike, and you mentioned it was piston actioned, would the standard ar15 dias work in this rifle?? just curious.....
That is a good question, and I do not know. You would have to contact Franklin Armory and ask them: www.franklinarmory.com . Let me know what you find out! - Eric
id rather not, honestly do you think they'd admit it if it WAS possible? since you own one, just break it down and look at the action and compare it to an AR......does it have the same bits where the dias goes??
Zaphod Whiskers - Pick-up the phone and call them. While you have them on the phone, you should also ask them about the Binary Firing System they are working on. - Eric
Hi Eric. Did you try the 25gr?
Not yet. Once the snow slows down here in Idaho, I'll be out trying the 25 grain. I want to use them on Red Fox later this month.
Also where in AZ is this?
you could have left them for coyote bait and did some more shooting.
We did, but the coyotes in this area were being hunted hard by the locals, so we got no responses on our stands.
Have you shot the hornady 20gr out of this rifle yet? How did it do?
Yes, and it shoots well. All ammo is made by Winchester, and rebranded. My best results were from one lot of the American Eagle branded ammo. It was awesome!!
What state is that, thanks for the footage by the way....
California first, then Arizona! Thanks! - Eric
What kind of scope you have on that gun? I can't tell what it is
+Kyle Muennink never mind I see it in the info now :)... and nice shooting
+Kyle Muennink - Thanks!
nice shooting, what does one of those cost?
+Rob Poth - The full rifle runs in the $1300 range.
8:36 location/trail? Great detailing, thank you
+Azi Az - NE Arizona on private land. Do your homework, and you will find spots as well!
SORRY SEVEN MINUTES IN
6:02 Tango down!!!
do you guys stew up those squirrels? nice shots but hows the dinner after? lol
No! These are ground squirrels, which carry fleas, that carry the plague and given the ranking of "non-game animal" by our F&G Department. Meaning, shoot as many as you can! - Eric
Ahhhh...they sound pretty gross....in maine our squirrels are considered small game....they are nice and healthy up north
MrTriumph6661 - We have tree squirrels as well, but although these look like they could be tasty, they are definitely not something you want to eat. Besides the plague fact, they are also cannibalistic and their feces carries disease such as hantavirus. They are also very destructive to crops here in California, so we do our best to get rid of them for farmers! - Eric
What do you do with the squirrels you shoot? Do you skin them and eat them? If so, how do you prepare them and are they good to eat? Would be a shame to just let them rot.
Ground squirrels and prairie dogs are considered non-game animals and are not recommended for human consumption. They have fleas that carry the plaque, as well as other diseases. Nothing goes to waste in nature. Predators such as coyotes and bobcat feast on the non-game animals that are left in the field.
they dont taste very good trust me i tried not even a1 makes them taste better
Zack Parker - You are a brave man! ;-) - Eric
***** i figured it would taste like the groundhogs we got in virginia but man was i wrong haha
I have, ty. Did you happen to run into any mexican gray's out there?
+Azi Az - No. Only a handful of coyotes.
how many rounds does the mag hold
10 rounds. But, they are working on releasing a 20 round magazine sometime next year!
thx for your time man i would have got one but mags are 100 bucks each
They may be coming out with another magazine option in 2017, that may be less expensive.
Ten rounds, but they are coming out with a 20 round magazine soon.
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9lbs, why so heavy.
It is built on their standard receiver and upper, so it weighs at what most of their AR15s weigh. Also, in my opinion, it is not that heavy, by AR15 standards. - Eric
They are pricey.. Good ones, if you can get them 1700..
+Willy Durf - The uppers are down closer to 1000., but worth every penny!
+Varminter Magazine
I am still in a paradox about this gun. 20 gr shooting in the wind even at 2 kfps may cause me pause out over 100 yards. I am really looking into the CMR-30 in 22 mag. Not as fast but anything over 1.2 kfps at 30 to 50 gr has to be more stable out to 200 yards and pack more energy. My Father and I were avid Ground Hog hunters going back to the early 60s. Weapon of choice was the my Dads 22-250.. Awesome gun. I believe it was a Remington bolt action. Even at 55 gr these bullets were HOT HOT HOT. Somewhere around 3.5 kfps at the muzzle you dare not even hit a blade of grass or the bullet would just vaporize.
My longest shot with that gun was 375 yards. The only part of the hog I saw was its head just out of the hole. That was all I needed. My Dad said I missed but I said NO WAY.. So I sprinted down and across that field and counted 425 steps. Yep, there it was. Hit it right in the mouth. My Father just shook his head and said Good Shot Son. Those were good times. I was 14, my Dad was 33 and we were hunting and fishing buddies 24/7. My Dad is now 82 and I 63. I wonder if Ground Hogs go to Heaven.
+Willy Durf - Run ballistics charts on both rounds, and I think you will be surprised on the difference in drift between the two out at the 200 yard range. Because their is less surface area on the 20 grain bullet, and because its speed means less time for wind to "push" it. The .22 magnum goes much slower, so it will be affected more by wind and drift. Great shot on the ground hog (and I don't think they go to heaven)!
I THINK HIS HANDS WHERE UP.....! Poor little guys still got shot....! 9:00 minutes in the dog thing it look like it hands where up LOL SOOOOO EVIL
He was one that had to go! Sorry! ;-) - Eric
EMMMMMMM, rodents, DEE _ LISH!. skin em , par boil, pan fry with very thin tater slices. and cold BEER....lotsa BEER..Dont tell your pals what they ate until they is too far away to beat yo ass lol.
que opinan de este mecanismo: czcams.com/video/iHdh7Uriyt8/video.html
Zoom in a little...
It's the best our video camera can do at those distances. We are working on other options right now.
Simply too much $,$$$
$$$$ expensive rifle
But worth every penny! - Eric
Why are you killing these animals? Are you eating them? Trophy?
They are considered varmints that do a lot of damage to the prairies where cattle and other livestock roam. If their numbers are not kept in check, they can spread quickly. Also, they carry fleas that spread disease. Nothing we left was wasted, as the predators will always come in and clean up the remains.
Oh cool. On another note, nice shooting. Thanks for the upload. Good rifle too.
dont knock it until you try it
***** are you using non leaded rounds?
If we had used all are kindergarden skills back in the day ,& 'cleaned up after are selves', it might have saved us from the lead ban!