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The BIZARRE DRAMA Between Kansas State and Japan
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2022
- In 1989, the Coca Cola Classic, a college football regular season game held at the Tokyo Dome in Japan, was supposed to take place between the Oklahoma Sooners and the Kansas State Wildcats. But with Kansas State geared up and ready to go play in the game, the game organizers told Kansas State to shove it. And to say that Kansas State was furious about this would be an understatement
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You should do a video on Glasnost Bowl, the attempt to have Illinois play USC in the Soviet Union in the late 80's.
That would be an awesome story to cover. Raycom had to pull the plug on that venture, which is unfortunate.
Where would they play?
@@garrisonstamps It was going to be somewhere in Moscow, but because of the Russian climate, while this was called a bowl game, it was actually intended to be a preseason game in August.
Comrades I don't think Brother Stalin would approve
Tear down this goalpost!
The horrible irony of this situation is that the Colorado team the organizers showed no interest in hosting ended up being better than Oklahoma, Syracuse or Louisville in 1989.
Overseas bowl games sound like an awesome idea that needs to be brought back
I was a student as Kansas State in the mid-80s. That team was awful. Tough sledding all the way around. Unfortunately it was just business as usual then. The KSU football media guide was entered in a competition with some other schools earlier in the 80s, and they were told that their guide would have won, but the staff had omitted a page on the team's bowl history. There had been no bowl history up to that point. None. Bill Snyder's job there was truly miraculous. KSU also had very possibly the worst season ever in 1962. 0-10 with an aggregate score of 283 to 39. Through their first seven games that season, the Wildcats had scored six, count 'em, SIX points. If that isn't the worst season ever, it is certainly in the running.
Ah, yes, good old Doug Weaver. He was K-State's coach from 1960 to 1966, and in 7 seasons he had THREE winless seasons and only 8 victories vs 60 losses and one tie. Only K-State would have kept a coach that inept around for that long.
Not completely accurate. K-State played in the 1982 Independence Bowl, losing to Wisconsin 14-3. Despite being a loss, it's still "bowl history".
@@ElDuderino69. As I said, earlier in the 80s.
Aaaannnddd Kstate still has an empty Championship page 😂😂😂
@@sizewitt9766 I don't care one bit. College sports have no bearing on my life. I may realize this because I went to a university that values education over being a minor league NFL or NBA feeder team. It certainly was no football factory. If you are one of the types that thinks your school's sports success makes you a big strong adult, I pity you.
K-State home attendance was so bad that they sold their home games vs OU to play them in Norman. Basically OU told them they could pay K-State more money if they played their home games in Norman rather than play them in Manhattan. I think this went on for just 4 years, as K-State beat OU in Manhattan in 93.
Close. It was actually 5 years, as K-State played OU in Norman in 88, 89, 90, 91 and 92.
3:50 The 0-10-1 season was the year that the winless Wildcats played the one-win Jayhawks. The wildcats were 0-8 and the Jayhawks were 1-7 before the game. After the game it was 0-8-1 and 1-7-1.
That game was dubbed the "toilet bowl", and lived down the the name. K-State had a chance to win on a last second field goal, and actually had a decent kicker (about the only decent position on the whole team), but the o-line was like a sieve and KU was able to block the field goal and preserve the tie. According to my dad, some sports writer at the start of the 1987 season ranked all the teams before the season started and ranked KU third-to-last, Wichita State second-to-last and K-State last. The only thing that was off about that was that Wichita State had dropped football at the end of the previous season. To this day, it's hard to tell if the writer was unaware of this, or if he was making a point that K-State was worse than a team that no longer existed...
Did you decide to Hawkeyes footage since its been what seems 30+ years since Iowa has scored an offensive touchdown?
:rimshot:
Speaking as a Hawkeye fan and graduate of UI, here's a "fun" fact: In 2013, there were seven individual games in which Baylor scored more TDs than Iowa's offense has scored in seven games total.
I can say it hasn't been quite THAT long. I personally witnessed the Hawkeyes score an offensive touchdown in the 2000 Eddie Robinson Classic, and that was only 22 years ago!
Breese Hall scored plenty in his time there.
@@bry4095 Breese Hall went to Iowa State, not Iowa.
Bill Snyder saved Kansas State from eliminating football.
IIRC, the only reason K-State didn't drop football in the mid 1980s was because they were afraid the Big 8 would kick them out, which would have been bad for the basketball program.
Who?
@@DamonNomad82 The Big Eight indeed told K-State it would be expelled if it dropped football. The Wildcats would likely have been forced into the Missouri Valley.
There was a little drama off the field for the 93 game that you mentioned. Wisconsin was playing for their first tripe to the Rose Bowl in 30 years and their first bowl game over all in 10 years. When the Badgers orignally agreed to play in Toyko, they gave up their home game with Michigan State to do it. They were so bad the year they made the agreement that they thought that going to Toyko would be a "bowl game" for the team since they likely weren't going to a real one. Well, when the Toyko game became for a trip to the Rose Bowl for Wisconsin, local business owners became furious because that would be a ton of money they would make if the game were held in Madison as originally scheduled. They were openly complaining to the local newspaper and TV stations about it saying the game should have stayed in Madison and demonizing Wisconsin for agreeing to go to Tokyo. Of course they overlooked one small detail that kills their argument entirely. That detail is that the game with Michigan State that Wisconsin gave up to play in Toyko was originally scheduled to take place...in OCTOBER of 93. The Toyko game was played in December. That means they already would have played MSU under the original schedule and already locked into the Rose Bowl. The game for the right to go to the Rose Bowl would have been in Champaign, Illinois. There never would have been a game in Madison for the right to go to the Rose Bowl.
OF course there is also the BIg Ten refusing ESPN's request to delay the start of the football game to accomodate the basketball game ESPN was airing prior to it, meaning Wisconsin fans missed a chunk of the game because the basketball ran late. Some local Wisconsin TV stations sought permission to air the broadcast themselves and got it, but that did not cover the entire state. The Big Ten looked like utter morons in that one and made themselves look dumber than ESPN in the process.
Why they beef? Watched the majority in mute
You know, out of all of the titles I see on CZcams, this might be the oddest one I’ve seen
This unofficial Jaguar Gator 8 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a conflict involving Ball State and a game in Ireland.
Screwing Kansas St. out of this game was literally the worst thing Japan ever did in the 1900s.
I remember Texas Tech and Oklahoma State playing in Japan which I still think is bizzare in its own right
Much of the "drama" described is manufactured here. Kansas State hates Japan so much they...accepted an offer to play there a few years after the originally planned date.
Snyder demanded the K-State players sit on the shady side of the plane both to Japan and back to Kansas City (the teams flew on the same plane). Needless to say, Dr. Osborne was not pleased.
And here I love both Japan and Kansas state
Great people all around 🍻
Mhmmm why do you like both Kansas state, AND Japan
I have to agree with that statement, my friend. Not only I love Japan, but I love college football as well. It would be awesome if the game can return to Japan in a near future. I'll stay up and watched the game even in my sleep.
I remember how bad the Wildcats were at the time, as I lived in Manhattan, Kansas from 1988 to 1990. I was very young and had no interest in sports at the time, but still went to the 1988 game against Iowa State, as my family got free tickets to it through my mom's friend from work, who was married to one of the team's starting defensive linemen, Bobby Lawrence. It was the first football game I had ever been to, and I generally enjoyed the experience despite my disinterest in sports (or possibly because of that disinterest, as the Wildcats lost, as they always did that season). My main memories from the game were looking down at the players running around on the field and of getting my mom's permission to run around in the empty bleachers above where we were sitting. There were a lot of empty bleachers to run around in, as the stadium was the same as usual in those times: 3/4 empty and at least half of the few who DID show up were fans of the visiting team. The next season, when Snyder took over, Bobby Lawrence quit the team in disgust that Snyder was "crazy" enough to think the team could ever win and required the players to dedicate the time and effort to actually try it.
Damn Sooners were so good at jacking up Kstate in the Big8 for so long, we managed to do so without even trying this time. Karma is a b though. We been paying for it since 2003. Our biggest thorn in the B12 has always been KState.
I always thought it was karma for Stoops stealing Snyder’s entire coaching staff when he took the OU job
@@Gibobili Maybe some of that staff would have stayed with a win over Aggie in B12 CG and a possible Natty??? Who knows. OU lost basically their whole staff in 21 also....
I was a student at K-State from 1984 through 1988. I do not need any context about K-State's football program. In my time there I watched, in person, K-State lose to Austin Peay, Wichita State, and twice to Northern Iowa. All of those were home games. I also watched a 17-17 tie with Kansas in what is, to this day, the worst game I have ever seen in person. K-State finished that year 0-10-1 and Kansas finished the year 1-9-1.
The thumbnail looks like a cat going for a laser pointer
Yo they gotta bring this back, overseas bowls sound dope
Football is becoming a global sport, I met a guy from Egypt who played high school football there. It is really good to see the development of the sport.
Great video. Clemson defeated Wake Forest in the Mirage Bowl in 1982, and Duke in the Coca-Cola Classic in 1991, going 2-0 in Japan and having a fantastic experience both times with the people there.
Been a Tiger fan all my life (born in 1998) and went to every home game in 2003, never knew they went 2-0 in Japan.
Did nobody at the time consider a 30 minute tape delay? Broadcast the first quarter as the second quarter begins.
5:45 That's not too far off these days, concerning how Disney parks are falling in quality, while they continue to raise prices.
I have an 8am lab tomorrow, but tbh would rather learn about the epic battle between Kansas State and Japan
As a current kstate student whos parents are alumni, I'm glad Im witnessing some good football now. I was at the final game of the 2012 season when we won the big 12, I saw the evolution of Bill Snyder family stadium, and the end of the great era of his coaching. And now as a student i get to witness Kliemen and this new team, I get to see Felix and Deuce get drafted next year, I got to see Skylar Thompson ball out in preseason as a 7th rounder and then actually start an NFL game his rookie year. Now we had a historical shutout against a great OSU team, and we're number 13 in the country. My parents saw the end of the awful kstate football and the start of the great program it is today, they carried many goal posts to Aggieville, and Im so lucky to be witnessing the success we have now, and a promising future for the bball program with Tang. Proud to be a Wildcat!
I hope you as a student get to witness *Klieman* (not “Kliemen”) leave for Iowa.
Do they even have American college or NFL football games in Japan anymore because I’ve never heard of it happening since I’ve been alive?
Japan has the X league, which has four levels of play. There are also colleges that play.
But teams from the US have mainly gone to Mexico or UK to play games. The flight time to Japan is rough, and the TV time is bad
@@halite15 I also remember at the beginning of this current college football season a game was held in Ireland.
If they are anything like my cats, they are always trying to catch that red dot but never do.
To say Kansas State "sucked" in 1989 is being generous lol. Thank goodness for Bill Snyder!
Who?
CZcams algorithm brought me here somehow but I'm glad it did !
That is..messed up.
You're so underrated man. Great work
K-State got screwed over by Oklahoma's foolishness. I don't know why the event's organizers didn't work with Colorado, which was good in football by then. I don't blame K-State for feeling some type of way about that junk.
If I was k-state I wouldn't have even played the game 3 years later they should have told them to shove it
It may have been the reason K-State didn't sue them. It's very possible that they settled by telling K-State they could come when they didn't suck, which they didn't by 1992. Bill Snyder still would have taken the deal since it was still a selling point to get players to come to Manhattan.
@@johncate9541 At least Tokyo was a neutral site. Back then, every time Nebraska played in Manhattan since the current stadium opened in 1968, three-fourths of the crowd was wearing red. That finally changed in 1994.
I can't believe my alma mater, the University of Montana, played in this game and I can't believe I didn't know that.
DON'T GIVE BOB CHAPEK ANY IDEAS!-Tom Corless #WDWNT
It's significantly much more expensive to go to Walt Disney World today anyway.
So while on probation the Sooners could only be shown on television later.
Mostly on Sooner Later.
This the most random beef
Nice to see a video on my K-State wildcats. What I think might make an interesting set of videos is the in-state rivalry games between teams like Texas vs Texas Tech or K-State vs KU and discussing some of the biggest parts on them.
Texas vs tech is not a rivalry it was a&m but they ran off to the sec now we’re coming for them in a few years
Mizzou is KU’s rival. Nothing interesting about the “Sunflower Showdown”.
I went to KSU for 6 years and never knew this. Fascinating stuff!
You know I don’t know why Kansas State and Japan have beef?
Maybe back in the 1940’s when World War 2 still happened Kansas City really hated Japanese.
Also, World War 2 was when K-State football collapsed into its 50-year nightmare as "Futility U". Before that, they actually had a winning team with a then-recent conference title in 1934. During the war, they were terrible, and after the war, they were worse, with a record-setting 26-game losing streak from 1945-1948.
Love both channels. You should consider doing a video on college football teams that give up home games to annual opponents. Florida State played 3 games in state because Duke and Wake Forest gave up their home dates in the 1990s.
Twenty recruiting violations in eight years during the Switzer era at OU was a slump. Normally that would have only taken about two weeks back then.
I can tape a game to watch later and avoid the results in today. I can't imagine that being a big ordeal in 1990.
I didn't believe it when I saw your icon lol
1-900 numbers! Wow.
I think you could have found some clips of K-State games.
The clips from 1:53 onward are clips of K-State games and practices, mostly the 1987 game at Iowa, the 1987 home game against Colorado and the 1988 game at Oklahoma (all of which were blowout losses for the Wildcats). They just had a very different look in the mid 1980s through 1988. They used solid purple helmets in that era, and the Powercat logo wasn't created until Snyder took over the program.
Reminds me of the feud between Kobe Bryant and Kobe Japan. There were parades and fireworks in that city when he died.
So they had Kobe beef
Total myth and bs. Never happened no news stories, photos, video, nothing. You either made it up or some did and you believed it. Kobe was an ambassador for Kobe beef. Be careful about the accuracy before you post this type of stuff.
I’m pretty sure Kobe Bryant was named after Kobe beef
@@Shibby. nope. Named after the city where his dad played professionally and I think Kobe grew there at least for a bit.
@@Shibby. Damn, where's Secret Base's Beef History episode about THAT?!
I'm gonna have to go Kansas State in this matchup. If they upset Japan, the money I may get back is worth half of all of Japan's economy of the past five years, and I will move to El Salvador shortly after. When they likely lose, it's not like I have to give back a lot anyways.
I don’t understand how these are bowl games if they involved teams from the same conference
Damn Japan
We need more Japanese bowl
I remember K-State playing Nebraska over there and making a game of it...guessing that's what ultimately happened. Osborne called it basketball on grass.
That 92 game was a moral victory for K-State. Then starting Husker linebacker Trev Alberts (now the Athletic Director at Nebraska) bragged before the game that he and the rest of the Blackshirts were going to shut out the Wildcats. While Nebraska won the game by two scores, that was more due to the offense (some true freshman QB named Tommie Frazier ran for 4 TDs) than the defense, as K-State got a respectable 24 points, even though they were playing with their backup QB.
I never heard of this game.
Space Moundin, Thunder Moundin, Splash Moundin. Great video btw. No jokes on that point
Why are you talking about Kansas State while showing Iowa?
Kansas State was playing Iowa. That footage is of Kansas State
K-State had a very different look in the 1980s. They played in purple helmets and the Powercat logo didn't exist until Snyder took over and collaborated with a local artist to create it.
They looked like grapes in those uniforms.
This is a nice video, but could you do a story about Pitt?
No
highly recommend the k state documentary on how bill snyder turned the program around
I highly recommend doing something better with your time
@@Cristalack like watching kansas have their one good season once every 50 years?
They should have played the game on Friday and played it on Saturday.
Wildest thumbnail
I never understood TV bans. It hurts opponents' ability to be on TV. I thought the penalty should have been to not be allowed to earn TV revenue from the game.
A completely ridiculous amount of ads.
One every 30 seconds? Impossible to retain an audience.
Odd comment about the naming. The game was named after the drink, by the sponsor to promote the drink, how is that confusing. I don't think the Tostito Fiesta Bowl is going to be filled with salsa.
10 pm est is 11 am In Japan today. Was it different in the 80s?
Winter (day light savings) time. 10pm EST will be 12pm or noon during day light savings
@@The11IsaN okay thanks
Where is Manhadden? You can't pronounce T's bro?
Wth 💀💀😭😭
What the hell
Did I just read that right?
I feel bad for the team's situation. I guess you could say during that time K-State seemed to be a perfect example of Murphy's Law.
They got beat by my alma mater Austin Peay? 🤪
I’m familiar with Kansas State but I interpreted that as why ThunderCats hate Japan
Welp it confirms it KState just hate Anime
As an anime fan and a K-State fan, I can tell you no, they don't hate anime. But k-state football fans barely remember this issue, why because we care more for Bill Snyder, that man brought back glory to K-State Football and has made us a team worth playing since the 1989 season.
@@brianwise5850 yeah I always admired bill Snyder it sucks how he got let go the 2nd time around
This made me do some research, and another story with American CFB and Japan...
In 2015, Princeton played a JAPANESE COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAM IN FUCKING JAPAN.
Princeton blew them out ofc.
Geez and Princeton would get blown out by most FBS teams so no telling how many points a real power 5 team would hang on Japanese teams lol
@@kennypowers1945 I wanna see how much Ohio State would hang on them if they didn't hold back the entire game.
@@kennypowers1945 It reminds me of reading about times when the US has competed in football against the national teams of a few other countries who had them. Even being restricted to not having anyone on the US team who had ever played in the NFL or CFL (which meant the roster was made up of recent former college players who didn't make the cut for either league and would likely have lost to any major college team) the US teams won every game by insane margins. The lack of interest in American football in most other countries (except Canada) means that they simply don't have a big enough pool of interested athletes to be competitive with even a low-level American team.
@@DamonNomad82 their are leagues playing American football in multiple European countries. Would they compete with anything in US? Nope. But your comment on interest is way off.
On one hand I'd love to sympathize with the Wildcats on this one. On the other hand I am a bitter OSU Cowboy who is not salty about the Saturday night result. Needless to say I am perfectly okay with what happened here. OU gets screwed due to cheating and KSU gets screwed because they suck. No the 48 point shutout is not influencing my opinion
Good video, distracting subscribe animation popups.
Well they obviously made up since kstate played in the coca-cola classic in 1992
You sound like The Wolfe Pit.
Fix your ads
By your own admission they were not the reason it was taking place as they quickly found replacements.
real
I really love the type of videos you make, but it feels like they are all stretched out to be like 15 minutes long. So much repetition of the same points and forced analogies. I want to be able to binge these videos, but it’s hard to do that when they all feel twice as long as they need to be.
I didn't know college bowls were played in Japan when their economy was booming.
Also your channel put too many ads its so annoying.
Egregious ads brah
I am honestly surprised by this… at first, I thought this was going to be someone at KSU saying something racist towards Japan
😐
Yeah, I've been reliably informed that Kansas State was the worst program ever from the beginning of time up until like, 1994 (barring a year or two with Lynn Dickey)
The Wildcats actually had mostly good teams for the first 35 years of the 20th Century, and mid-level teams in the late 1930s before they collapsed in the early 1940s from a combination of internal squabbling within the coaching staff and the entry of the US into World War 2. After that, they were beyond awful for about 50 years, with their only winning seasons being a brief turnaround in 1953 and 54 (which the university squandered by refusing a pay raise for the assistant coaches, leading that head coach to leave and sending the program right back into its death spiral) 1970 (when Lynn Dickey was the starting QB and they managed a 6-5 season) and 1982, when a gambit by the head coach to redshirt ALL players on the roster who had a redshirt year available in 1981 paid off enough to get the Cats a 6-4-1 record and their first bowl game (a loss to Wisconsin). From the 1950s until 1996, K-State was the all-time losingest Division 1-A football team, a distinction they finally got rid of thanks to Snyder's consistent winning teams. Fittingly, the victory that moved the Wildcats out of the all-time losingest team happened against in-state archrival KU.
Sports Illustrated actually did a cover story on K-State football for one of their college football preview issues in the 1980s. The title of the story was Futility U.
Wtf
So Oklahoma football cheats, us older Husker fans already knew that. lol
I didn't go to K-State but I'm somewhat of a fan indirectly through a relative of mine and we've talked about this before. We both agree they had no business making a fuss about this and they were lucky to even be invited to play. Trying to bitch about it was not a good look at all. I guess I don't blame them for trying though because money.
Fuck that. INK ON CONTRACT. You give your word and don't pull through them your word is worthless.
I can't blame anyone for telling Kstaters to go away.
The Japanese promoters did nothing wrong.
Bizarre Drama? Hatred between Japan and K State? Want help with the title? Clickbait.