1982 Alfa Romeo GTV6 - 4 Minute Drive - Short 'n' Sweet
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2014
- A short & sweet stint on local roads in 'Rosa', our 1982 Alfa Romeo GTV6. Just a short, hard drive to see how she liked the basic maintenance I gave her this winter. I also fixed some electrical deficiencies from her track days in order to pass NY State Inspection; inoperative headlights, flashers and horn. This drive gets her revs up towards redline a few times (I wasn't checking precisely as the local roads had enough traffic). This shows my double-clutching is better than last year, which is necessary due to worn 2nd gear synchro. Down shifting to 2nd without crunching the gears is still a problem for me. The sunroof works and was nice to have on such a fine day. One thing I notice in this clip is a lot of rattle noise from the rear louvers. They are not original and the fittings are not perfect. But overall 'Rosa' is behaving very sweetly and is ready for a lot of driving this summer.
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Got to love Alfa V6s - the most charismatic cars ever created
Beautiful car. Personally I would "break the law" more often and in a harsher way if I had it myself. Life is very short and you didn't endangered a soul. I am pretty sure that some of the little trolls commenting negatively have done it many times.
This car is a true Beast, both in looks and in sound. Always sends shivers up my spine. Thanks for the ride!
Great car. Brings back fond memories of the one I had in the eighties. Still miss it.
Great car! And yes, the typical 2nd gear. My father had an '83. And "Rosa" sings very well!
I also had an '82. LOVED that car! It also had a 2nd gear that was, let's say "reluctant" at times.
rosa is beautiful, she can sing to me all day :) beautiful alfa. as always, keep ridin' her like she was meant to be!
Thanks Alan, I do drive her as often as conditions allow - she's just the right size for me and my 3 young sons, including some of their Lego's.
I had a GTV6. I love the sound of revving it up like you did. Hat engine sound was one of the best I've heard. Great handling as the car doesn't sway when you corner sharply. I wish the a/c worked as it never did from new.
thanks,also the best scounding engine ever .
My first car! An 82 GTV6 Balocco SE!
How cool is that!? That must’ve been incredible, Robert.! If you still enjoy Alfas, go surf around www.AlfaBB.com.. there is a GTV6 chatroom there, we’d love to see pictures if you want to join and share! I had just graduated HS in ‘82 and even though I was aware of Italian cars, I drove Mopar musclecars. By the time I graduated college, I owned a ‘76 Alfetta Berlina and was fully immersed in Alfa Romeos. Fun stuff!
Nice balocco! I owned #117 for a while
Great noise
I'm in love with you, Rosa.
I took "Sophia", my '85 3.0 out today - it felt so good to step on it!
I bet the pull of a 3.0 fells great, Chuck! A friend just emailed me this link to a power/torque curve for the Alfa 2.5 V6. What a wonderfully flat max-torque curve. No wonder it pulls so smoothly! www.automobile-catalog.com/curve/1984/144245/alfa_romeo_gtv6_2_5_maratona.html
Arthur Harvey I feel that the pull of my GTV6 motor in many ways feels better than that of my E36 BMW M3.
Chuck Goldsmith You drive a nice selection. Nice selection you own. Maybe it's the flat torque curve that does it. The only BMW I've driven was an 80's grey-market 323i. It too sounded fabulous. Cheers!
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Nice video mate!
Thank you, Sir!
My dad had a 76 giulia nuova. They added some teflon additive to the gearbox oil which nearly eliminated the crunches in 2nd gear.
My 2009 fiat bravo even has a dodgy synchro in 3rd lol.
Great videos and awedome GTV. Im a subscriber to your channel :)
That makes a lot of sense, Janadal86... I bought my GTV6 with an unknown oil type in the transmission. After a discussion with members of an Alfa chat room, I changed the oil to Redline 75W-90NS, and the 2nd gear synchro crunch was significantly reduced. But, as you can tell, not completely eliminated. Cheers!
Arthur Harvey Great video, makes me miss my GTV6 big time! I would recommend dumping the redline, I tried it, it works OK, but it's more of a sponge and finds leaks easily. Get a hold of some Shell Spirax HD, that stuff works fantastic and once warmed up, the 2nd gear crunch that my spider has is practically gone.
sodon10 Thanks for the Shell Spirax recommendation sodon, I'll give it a try when I change out the transaxle oil next. The Redline isn't leaking …yet. LOL
I had an '84. Car had soul...headers, cat delete...you are so right about interior bits falling off, etc...I was young, in my twenties-thirties, had to give it up because it was a bloody money pit, lol. Watching the video makes me realize how a pretty fast car back then is painfully slow compared to a modern automobile. And yes, get that syncro fixed before it shoots out the side of your tranny, lol. Good luck with Rosa! Make sure she is not your daily driver! :-D
Beautiful (but, NOT typical!) sound. Sure, it's got that V6 sound. But, it's like you can "hear" the engine's parts working. Lovely cars. I've forgot. What's the red line on these engines?
+Steve Mills Thank you Steve and Happy New Year! On the tach, yellow starts at 5700, redline is 6300. I haven't pushed it that much... torque curve is marvelously flat from 3000 to 5500, and power peaks at 5500, so there's no gain going past that - other than the tremendous sound. Cheers!
Drove one of these today, that 2nd gear crunch sounds familiar haha
LOL - so now you know! Double clutching takes care of the upshift, but I'm still practicing my downshifts...
+Arthur Harvey
Loved the video, and love the car. Just had the gearbox rebuilt on my 81 2.0L GTV, and its unbelievable what a difference it makes. No more crunching, and positive gear selection. Feels like a different car!
Great to hear - I'm hope to afford a rebuild too. And I've heard the rebuild gears permanently solve the premature synchro wear too. Do you know if that is true? Cheers!
I certainly hope it fixes the problem permanently ... or at least last the next 35 years!
Love the sound of the engine. Is all that rattling in the cockpit typical of cars from the 80s?
Hey Hugh, thanks for the question. The short answer is no. They don't all rattle. Here is the long answer: In my case there are two factors coming into play: 1.) There is a set of aluminum louvers from a GTV6 'Maratona' mounted on the rear window. It was mounted by a previous owner. It looks cool, but it vibrates against the glass and the rivets have worked themselves loose over 30 years. I removed them in June last year. 2.) The internal camera mic is very sensitive to the high frequency treble sounds. So even small squeaks from my clutch pedal is easily heard on the audio. Cheers, - Art
Since your question Hugh, I've paid more attention to the various rattle sounds in the car, and must admit - they are easy to overlook when you're busy concentrating on driving, but yeah - it does have more random shakes & rattles than your average daily driver. Cheers.
Hi! Where can you find a back window louver and how to mount it? I'm thinking of placing it on my GTV6 but I can't find it anywhere...
Hello Ward, Thanks for the question. 1.) Where to find them: The rear louvers were standard on a U.S. special edition of the GTV6, called the 'Maratona'. Maybe on other editions also. You'd have to spend some time online searching. It's entirely possible the louvers were available aftermarket too. That would not surprise me. 2.) How are they mounted: The louvers are mounted to 4 small metal brackets located along the perimeter of the rear glass. These brackets slip UNDER the glass' rubber gasketing and into the channel holding the glass. These same brackets then hold the louver's framerails via 'dzus' type quick-disconnect fasteners, so the louvers are easily removed to clean the glass, etc. Cheers, - Art
@@65SATisfaction Thanks a lot!!
My pleasure - I can recommend surfing around on www.AlfaBB.com for further advice. There is a forum dedicated to the Alfetta/GTV6 platform. Also a you can post a request in their "Parts Wanted" forum. ...Enjoy your GTV6!!
Double clutch man, and don't snatch second so fast, replace that darned syncro, or you'll be replacing a transmission....
Ken W Working on it Ken, also heel-n-toe downshifts. Transmission was rebuilt by a previous owner in 2010, barely 4,000 miles ago. I got it this way. It's shame the synchro is already weak.
Arthur Harvey 2nd gear syncro is shite in all alfettas, don't sweat it. but if you learn the gear you should be able to get it in 9/10 times without so much as a noise. if you force it too much it will crunch, you need to guide it a bit more and feel the resistance. i have a 83 gtv6, i think mine sounds better (have modified exhaust plus i am very biased), the best engine sound you get is between 4k and 5k.
Thanks Ian, I've concentrated the past few weeks on 2nd gear downshifts, and found it's much less prone if I get the speed down near 25mph, that helps tremendously. The lower the better. Much above 25 and it wants to crunch. I've heel-n-toed her, but on a downshift the exhaust note is quiet enough I can hardly hear the RPM's for a good match. Louder exhaust is what I need, LOL. Thanks for any and all comments!
Update: I took Rosa road racing at the New York Safety Track all day Saturday [2.1 mile track, 18 turns, 450ft elevation change]. She performed impressively. Excellent grip, braking and handling. Virtually no gearbox crunches, heel-n-toe'd well, as long as I did it aggressively enough. It was a phenomenal day of learning. The video I took from the track has poor audio, but I'll try getting a good edit to post. Cheers!
I gently nudge mine and it slides right in at low revs. I double clutch when the revs are higher, and it helps tremendouslywhen shifting to second.... I always 'nudge' it into gear, even when double clutching, never snatching it. I have an '86 GTV6 with the same second gear crunch issue, but I don't think mine is quite as bad as yours...
How come your dashboard cover is still not torn up and worn.
Don Dario Dario ... LOL! (..because it has a new cover put on it..)
is this a 2.5 or a 3 litre?
it's a stock 2.5L
spose i should of guessed that really, the 2.5 is known to some as the best sounding engine of all time, if that is your own car, i am incredibly jealous ;), i just bought a 3.0 164 as a rolling restoration and my god, that makes a glorious noise too!
..thank you, this is indeed my own GTV6. My 164LS has the 3.0 24v, and it pulls strongly, but the exhaust note is much more sedate. Cheers!
Arthur Harvey i think the 12 valve 3.0 Sounds better, i had a 12v 164 3.0 and later a 24v 3.0 and the 24v is not as barky and feels a little bit relaxed actually.
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maybe you should be better off when you double clutch with intermediate gas wgen going to second gear or better fix the syncromesh of third and second gear ,not that much work.
a belgian former alfista mechanic
+Roland de Meyer Thanks for your comment, Roland. Double-clutching solves the problem for now. But yes, the long-range plan is to replace the synchros with those from a Milano/75 and machine the flywheel for lighter weight, less rotating mass. Cheers!
Never gas with cold engine
Thanks. You should go back to the 1:25 mark of the video and read what it says on the screen. Cheers.
Bit aggressive crossing the double-yellow to apex the corner. Yikes.
That poor gearbox
Yeah - I've gotten vastly better at the shift to 2nd. Haven't crunched them in a couple years now... The box was rebuilt just a few thousand miles prior to my purchase, and in that time the 2nd synchros were already shot. My assumption was the rebuild didn't use the improved Milano synchros. As you probably know, the pedal design is deplorable for Heel n Toe'ing downshifts ... I've since redesigned them to enable that. As for the box, the plan is for a rebuild, so I didn't give a damn if I crunched them a bit. Now it's embarrassing to have this video evidence, but this was my reality two years ago, and so be it. Cheers!
2:00 was pretty dumb
+Faketrollname seven billion Thanks for your interest but your comment is ambiguous and doesn't provide for useful discussion. This will be deleted in a week. You are welcome to restate your comment if you wish.
+Arthur Harvey What a ridiculous response. Delete the comment, I don't care. I made my point, and if you need it spelled out (which I doubt), here you go: You shouldn't be taking the racing line on public roads, you crossed a double yellow , and the only reason it was safe was because you didn't meet someone driving in the same irresponsible manner that you were, or some other unexpected occurrence. Public roads are full of surprises and you made yourself part of the problem. You probably unnerved the oncoming driver and you broke the law. Take it to the track.
Thanks, that is more direct and useful for discussion. Yes, I do appreciate the point. I am a flawed person and there are times I break the law and take liberty with double yellow lines which must unnerve other drivers. Since the cars I drive are highly "visible", I do my best to be courteous, situationally aware and not obnoxious. I try reminding myself just because a car has the performance, doesn't mean it has to be used that way on public roads. Overtaking the standing Mail truck at the first curve, my choice was to clear it with ample room for him, should he step out of his truck. I do this with all work trucks - Utility, Mail, Garbage trucks.. I went ahead and did the same for the second curve, I turned in and committed to the line when the road was clear. For the oncoming car, I didn't even have to adjust my line to clear it when it came up past the treelike. A minor error, unfortunately, it happens. Cheers.
Great response, have a nice day
You too. A pleasure having you here.
Typical V6 sound. Sounds VERY like my 370Z
+ChorltonM21 Sorry ChorltonM21 but that is an insult to alfisti. Gorgeous car Arthur. My grandfather had a brand new balocco, number some where in the 40's. Then had an 84 gtv6, then milano, then 164. The gtv was my favorite. I eventually ended up with the 164 and it was a pile. I'm considering finding a GTV6 to tinker with.
What is special about the 'Busso V6' is that it's lovely sound came without any modern flow and exhaust engineering to make it so. It's design is over 30 years old. Any modern manufacturer has computing power to generate virtually any exhaust note they want. Nissan was probably TRYING to sound like this. That's why it is significant, and not for nothing that the Busso V6 was selected as the 2nd Best Sounding Classic Engine in Automotive History.
please double clutch with between gas shifting down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! poor gear box
Heel and toe achieves better dynamic balance
@@hugogreen4916 Exactly. I've fabricated and installed a wider surface on the throttle pedal which allows my braking heel to blip the throttle, Heel n Toeing, and that indeed solves the synchro crunch on downshifts 99% of the time. The stock pedal configuration has the throttle pedal too far from the brake pedal for my feet to reach the 'blip'.. hard to believe Alfa designed them that way.
only good thing about these was the motor
BAD driver.
this car sounds like dying cat