Frame Generation is on Consoles Now!!! FSR 3 FG tested on PS5!
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- FSR 3 Frame Generation is on consoles now! In this video I test FSR 3 Frame Generation on PS5 in the first game to implement the technology on consoles- Immortals of Aveum. I look at performance and latency experience at a variety of display settings includine 120FPS VRR, 120FPS no VRR, and 60FPS no VRR.
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Chapters:
0:00 FSR 3 Frame Generation is on consoles now!
0:21 What is Frame Generation anyway?
1:19 How are we monitoring VRR refresh rate on a console?
2:45 Testing FSR 3 FG on vs OFF on 120Hz VRR display (PS5, LG C1 OLED TV)
6:45 So would I rather play with FG on or off on a 120Hz VRR display?
7:55 What about 120Hz TVs without variable refresh rate support?
11:21 What about 60Hz displays? Input lag!!!
13:18 Final Thoughts - Věda a technologie
For LG tvs you can repeatedly push the green button about 10 times or so on remote to get more "accurate" reading of hz/fps.
Plus it gives you more technical details of the connection, colour space and bandwidth.
You have to use the magic remote and hover the cursor over the channel manager category in settings and hit the green button on the remote 10 times to bring up the video signal output
@@MattBee84 That's amazing
It looks like they were able to increase resolution too, with FG enabled. Game is less shimmery and noticeably sharper now
did this game had fsr upscaling on console before? if not maybe the upscaler is improving this while enabled.
They are using the latest version of FSR 3. Could be the raw improvements in the upscaling (hopefully) or they had enough headroom to increase resolution while using frame generation.
I think it looks as "bad" as before,tbh.
Maybe they use tsr now instead of fsr as it's a better upscaled
doesn't fsr3 activate fsr2?which is basically an AA which will make the image less shimmery and sharper anyway
Never tried FSR 3, I'm blown away- here's why:
Downloaded this game's trial to my PS5 and tried it, i'm still on the first level.
Turned FSR3 FG on, before starting to play, looks like 58-60 fps and running ok.
Looked ok enough, no problems other that the usual artifacts.
Then I turned it off, and found out the game runs at around 40-45 fps and looks the same, meaning FG didn't look "fake" to me!
Going to play more later today, and will update this reply if I start seeing any bad FG artifacts or if it starts to look fake to me.
frame generation is fake... if you hit 30 fps without fg and 60 with fg both feel the same lag, its not smooth.
@@geminii.german no doubt it's fake, but try this game's demo for yourself and try FG on it.
Great testing as always! Love your videos, very valuable, thank you very much!
I found your CZcams account about a week ago doing some research on a new PC build. You are awesome! I love the content and keep up the good work!
I found him right before Covid hit this dudes great
Thanks for the comprehensive video, Daniel. 👍
Wow Daniel covered this quickly. This was a thing that I was highly curious about when it was first introduce
Ive been using FG in Ghost Of Thushima. From my experience, I dont think i am interested at all in running the game without it turned on. I am on 6950 4k144 and at max plus(above max preset) settings with quality upscaling and fg i am running 120-140 ultra smooth. 10/10, would recommend.
I love it in Cyberpunk through the drivers on my 6800xt.
Personally tried it in GoT and the latency was way to much for me, was very much not worth the extra frames.
To be clear.. AFMF in driver is absolute trash.
Its an offline game bro iust play at 60 fps on native and eat your god man
@@ayrebhalsabe7404there is an online mode in GoT and what he said can be applied to other games having FG
Canning that pamera 😎
pretty interesting test
Those damn kids living their best life upstairs!
Nice one...I'm also caning the pamera owen😅
Thank you for trying to cover this even requiring lots of equipments and effort.
Your analysis on the latency is spot on when i play on my ally i notice it less then on pc because of the controller. I hope in the future we get. A way to lock the frames FG produce
Canning the pamera. I like that😂😂
This is great news, people now will get more for their money, allowing their consoles to last longer. This will really benefit the PS5 pro and the future PS6. I have an RTX 4090 and frame gen really helps when I want to enable Path Tracing with Ultra settings. I play a lot of RPGs and action adventure games and using frame gen with a controller is still a great experience.
hopefully this can get people off of their PS4s lol; that console is cooking the PS5 by still being able to play most of the games that still get released.
@@RicochetForcehardly anybody I know has bothered upgrading to PS5 due to cost of living, here in the UK it's quite tough still although there are plenty of 0% finance options they could use.
@@RicochetForcepeople need to get better jobs then and learn to use their money responsiby
@@RicochetForce Games* people would line up for a new console if it has amazing games they can't play on their ps4
Cool
Nice video
Are you getting flickering in dark areas and scenes with VRR enabled on your OLED TV?
It depends it only really shows up when you are cpu bound or have bad 1% lows so basically if your cpu is fast enough it’s a non issue
I was worried about oled flicker before I bought an oled monitor, but it's pretty much a non issue. It only happens when there's huge and rapid fluctuations in frame rate.
@@exception6651 It shows up for me regardless of whether I have a frame cap or v-sync enabled, and this is on a 7800X3D. I shouldn't be CPU bound unless I'm missing something. Honestly from the research I've done on this, there doesn't seem like there's much of a remedy other than to disable VRR.
VRR flicker is an inherit problem for OLED and VA displays.
@@exception6651I've had issues with Starfield frame gen and oled. Standing still with a consistent 170fps with frame gen there's noticeable flicker. Someone mentioned that it's because the monitor is so fast there's some gamma shift. With no vrr on and frame gen it's perfect however.
That's a nice way of implementing Frame gen, I was worried they would just have it on by default to raise the resolution after launching with ultra performance FSR enabled that somehow at 720p could not keep a stable fps no matter what
So we getting 720p next gen console game releases? wow technology is going backwards now
Bide your time, you will see horrible implementations soon enough
Consoles devs as usual will abuse this tech. Just like they did with upscaling lol. Soon enough.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat They use Upscaling because it's good
As a 40 series owner I’ve been pleasantly surprised with how much I enjoy frame gen, but it’s not worth it unless you can get at least 60fps from the start. Since consoles always fall back on 30fps on intensive titles I don’t t think it will be enjoyable
not my experience, hellblade 2 I get arround 40 fps, and FG makes it up to 60-80, perfectly fine
I don't agree with you in the slightest, buddy. Frame gen on my rtx 3050 4GB through in-built FSR and lossless scaling breathed new life into my laptop, even with 30 fps as a base framerate. It's a godsend for everyone
He just said the obvious, fg is to be used with at least 60 fps. But there are some exceptions, such as slower campaign games or less requirement from the owner. 30 fps is impossible to activate.
30fps is where frame generation is the absolute biggest godsend and time that makes the most sense to use haha
I would say the minimum for it to feel and look good on a controller is 80 fps with frame gen, but 90+ fps would be ideal. If using frame gen with Lossless Scaling, then you definitely need 120+ fps. Even then I find LS bad, so I only use it on my ROG Ally where the artifacts are more easily overlooked.
15:23 i think it's dope that fsr first happened on PS4 and look forward to it improving
All opinions are good options
do they have an nvidia reflex and amd anti lag equivalent for console? If not FG on console might be a meh feature because of the increased input lag.
It should be able to do Anti Lag 2, given it's a RDNA GPU architecture & the full RDNA lineup is supported on PC.
I play on a 60Hz TV, at the start i noticed the delay in controls, but given 5/10 minutes i was actually play as normally. It's a real improvement to me.
I tried it on a 120hz VRR display and I would definitely use it. The game in question is so much better after this last update.
Cheers.
I have the C3 42" too for my PC and PS5
Me too. It sucks that I can't use VRR or Gsync if I wanna use the motion interpolation. I tried Gsync and i preferred the interpolation.
You know of anyway to have both on?
@smoothrealism8259 I stick with the VRR on PS5 and G-sync on PC, had G-sync for the past decade and can't go without now.
I fondly remember canning the pam era ;)
I am really curious with consoles, how will frame gen look with so many TVs using frame interpolation to get a smoother look already. Is there any chance we can see this tested on your channel as I am sure many people have this setting on and have no idea. As always thanks for the videos!
I think most game modes don’t enable interpolation and afaik it won’t try to interpolat over 120/the frame rate of the tv. Definitely disable it though if it’s enabled
@@justinfoster1040 just because a game is designed to run at 60 on console does not mean it always will on every game. This was more of just an experimental question as console gamers are much more likely to be plug and play with a TV
@@RicochetForce like i said in my comment many people have this on and have no idea so it was more of a test just to see how it fares, for fun if you will
It will look like ass, that's what. However, there is no reason why a future version of frame generation with better hardware couldn't interpolated 2 or 3 additional frames instead of 1.
Thanks for doing this video before Digital Foundry 😎👍
Immortals of aveum plays awesome now with FSR 3 on PS5. It only stutters some moments when it does the auto save. It looks sharper and is smooth
Main problem I see with FG when the base frame rates are lower than 40-ish fps is the blur. It almost looks like the resolution suffers from it. The additional input delay is insignificant in the context of single player games.
11:44 genius idea😆😆😆
waiting to be implemented in handheld
Frame generation is going to be a massive thing on consoles, because everyone uses controllers for gaming. My stats say that I game about 80% of the time on a 4k OLED TV with controller. Frame generator (both variants) work way better on controller even on slightly lower framerates, mostly because there are no super fast motion that comes with mouse. My bet is that most average gamers don't care or even notice that the games are not that responsive.
@@RicochetForce did you respond to the wrong comment?
@@RicochetForce Yep, those who notice these things are small percentage of hc users. Casual gamers can usually tell only massive differences... Like, when fps doubles, but not really artifacts or a slight lag. When their games run visually way smoother, that is a big deal.
@@RicochetForce I feel like your comment fits perfectly fine on my original comment, "My bet is that most average gamers don't care or even notice that the games are not that responsive."
@@RicochetForcewhat are you talking about? Upscalers like DLSS and especially FSR are pretty easily noticable in comparison to a native res especially when in motion (however I don't count the games where native forces you to use shitty implemented TAA that looks even worse than FSR)...
@@zedus4042 Casual console gamers are a massive group that play on a TV with controller. I have made plenty of test for 4k resolution with different levels of DLSS or DLAA. People don't seem to notice these things. It's clear when using monitor or 1440p resolution, but not with 4k TV.
I'm part of this pixel peaking crowd and 4k OLED with 2m distance… Really hard to tell the difference with controller. When I'm focusing on the gameplay, I wouldn't even see these small things with close to perfect vision. FPS is really noticeable for every one that joined to my test sessions.
These consoles are starting to feel like next gen finally. Hope more games do this.
OP, about your kids noise
1] you can use the free nvidia RTX audio app that kills even the harshest noise
2] you can open a window, grab the kids one by one and send them flying, which also helps with noise
Always have it as an option. But never rely on it for a good experience.
I always enable it where available, talking about rtx 4000 FG though.
its only needed for heavy ray tracing
@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd and heavy cpu bottleneck
Is VRR a must? I'm using my PS5 with my 144Hz 1440p monitor but it doesn't have VRR support. Can I still use this feature?
Vrr= better experience
It makes the most sense on consoles anyways since you can't _feel_ latency nearly as much with a gamepad. I'm surprised it's taken this long as it is. Question is how many games will use it and not even tell you about it?
I genuinely think in a couple years we will look back at FSR 3 and DLSS 3 like we do to DLSS 1.0 and FSR 1.0. I'm sure that this technology will get so good that it will be a no-brainer to use it just like dlss2 and fsr2
Sorry for the silly question, what game is this???
I'd be curious to test this on my TV with my Xbox Series X. So this is a weird one. I don't think this game is performant enough on the console versions to start with, so if I was to play this game I would probably get the PC version anyways. That said, my TV can do 120 Hz mode with VRR in theory, but only at 1440p, and when there's wild swings in the frame rate, VRR works but it flickers so much that it's very bothersome. I'm curious if the frame generation gets it close enough to 120 that it mitigates a limitation of the TV itself.
I do think the devs should have patched immortals of Aveum to have baked in lighting instead of only using lumen since it takes a hit to perform on console especially the Xbox series s.
We should not be relying on frame generation to fix games that are not optimised.
exactly
Considering most console players are using a 60hrz TV, I wonder what gains over latency they are getting.
They really need to implement the HUD elements with FSR3 in mind. It just doesn't look good with transparent HUD elements that cause the game in the background to not update at the same framerate as frame generation.
Other than that this seems to be fine for 60 fps games. Not sure this would be a wanted feature in 30 or 40 fps games though.
this game also just go HDR on PC. and got HDR on console about a month ago
does it run at 60 FPS native or 30fps + FSR?
If this could take those games that get limited to 30fps because they can't keep on constant 60fps, and gives us 60fps-like visual experience with 30fps control lag, then this could be an interesting development (I'm looking at you Starfield).
Starfield recently got updated with performance modes but fg as an option would be cool regardless!
@Relex_92 1440p 60fps is too high a demand for new technologies. I don't think you have any idea what it takes to optimise games for a PS5 like CPU. It's basically a Ryzen 5 3600 which is an older midrange CPU. Getting ray tracing, modern draw distance techniques and advanced AI to run on that is no easy task.
FG is wayyy more relevant on consoles. When you use a mouse and flip your mouse hard enough it disables itself for a split second anyways.
Not sure how I feel about this. FG typically feels awful if you aren't getting above 60 anyway. If a console game is getting 30's and FG boosts it to near 60, I imagine the input lag will be a bit much.
Is FSR's Frame-gen able to generate more frames than DLSS Frame-gen?
Did they also make it look less shitty? It looks a lot better than I remember, even if I still hate the artstyle
The 2024 Hisense U7N can display a permanent fps counter.
I think fsr frame generation is amazing tech especially for older gpus like rtx 20 and 30 series and the rx 6000 series, I've been wanting to buy a 4070 because of the frame gen tech but they're too expensive in my region but because of fsr and amd, i can go for a used rtx3000 series or rx6000 series card now!
So, if I'm understanding it correctly, you get a smoother look, but it INCREASES input latency? That sounds a bit backwards to me. I wish more developers could do what Insomniac does, and include an option for 40Hz / 4K. I personally don't see a difference between 40Hz and 60Hz, and more importantly, it feels much smoother.
Console games should offer an advanced settings menu that allows us to tweak settings at a more granular level, like on PC, so we can choose how we run our games.
Well tbf that defeats the primary purpose of a console, yk plug and play
I think frame generation should only be used on games that already hit 60fps to get them to 120fps or close to it. I would hate for them to bs and use it to get 30fps games to 60 fps.
Playing Ghost of Tsushima on PC with a PS4 controller made me really cherish this technology.
Yeah
As a quite happy owner of 4070ti super and I've been using framegen whenever I need.
DLSS 3 is so playable I honestly barely notice artifacts and downsides
The only weirdness I ever noticed is when I had 4070ti non super
And it was shitting itself in alan wake 2 when I ran out of memory and it dropped with FG under like 50 fps
This is good news, but I'm afraid it will be used in the wrong way by devs just like upscaling: you shouldn't use upscaling when the internal resolution is 900p or lower, yet they do it, at the same time you shouldn't use FG below 60 fps, but I'm afraid they'll take advantage of it by genereting 60 frames from 30 just to brag on the box and everything will get even less optimized and will feel worse than a PS4.
Yes console games should have this. More options for users more better.
What are those line on your TV/monitor?
Its because hes recording the TV with a camera.
Recording a monitor with a cam creates a pattern. Like looking through 2 mesh screens that aren't perfectly lined up... I forget what that particular patterning is called but it's some specific term that is also used when referring to graphical artifacts. The graphical artifacts happens because you're rendering a mesh type design on the screen which is another mesh pattern of pixels. I am lacking the terminology.
@@christophermullins7163 are those noticeable IRL On naked eye? I'm planning to buy 27 inch FHD Monitor but I'm kinda afraid it might show some visible pixel i might regret it so thanks for tge info
Its time to test the small program called Lossless Scaling I use it because I have older GPU and lower power and heat and get better experience at higher fps...
I tried this game on Series X. The 60fps was stable but the resolution was pretty low.
Yeah, in 60Hz mode, frame generation makes the game run at 30FPS internally and amplified to 60, so the latency is higher. However, it should also mean the game will pretty much never drop from 60FPS.
Surely going back to 30fps as a base would mean the dynamic resolution isn't gonna drop anywhere near as low?
Higher resolution too
I wonder if latency would have been better if the devs included a frame limiter instead of relying on Vsync. Limiting framerate to 30 fps or 60fps may have made it better. I know it does affect latency on pc when using an external frame limiter.
@@Dark-qx8rk It helps a lot on PC when limiting to 60FPS while the display is using 120Hz or 144Hz (or whatever high refresh rate it supports) with VRR active. In 60Hz mode, it still helps a bit, but nothing to write home about.
At 60 FPS when you turn on FSR, i think it limits the game on 30 FPS and doing the Frame gen to 60
12:11 looks almost double the delay wich is already a bit noticeable when you are used to high fps
According to DF test it increases performance by 72% on xbox series x.
The problem is most new console nextgen games are going to be 30fps. You need a framerate close to 60 if framegen is going to work
Gta 6 could have a "60" fps mode now or higher especially if they can somehow offer a 40fps mode and then frame gen up from it.
The input lag would be more LESS noticeable if the game is in 3rd person though. So knowing that we get unnoticeable input lag in this 1st person game makes me very optimistic about the future of FSR3 frame generation on console games especially on 3rd person games. I hope many games gets updated to FSR3 like Lords of Fallen and such unstable games
I thought I was the only one that talks backwards lmao
canning the pamera
Framegen = better/clearer kind of motionblur
For consoles it does make more sense as playing with console controllers is less twitchy than mouse and keyboard. Thus you are less prone to notice the artifacts/input-lag.
On my Series S using the same tv i got a locked 120fps, but at points there was still screen tearing, which didn't happen on ps5. Whats up with that? Was the framerate rising above 60, thus over 120, causing tearing? The Series S version does run best of all current gen consoles.
Go on, tell another lie. Be convincing on the next one, though
@@GhoulSolo___ Go watch today’s Digital Foundry and then come back and tell me how shitty your foot tastes in your mouth 🤣
@@GhoulSolo___ What exactly are they lying about in your opinion?
@@juanblanco7898 Saying the Series S runs best out of the 3 next gen consoles isn't a matter of opinion it's objectively not true
@@GhoulSolo___ Ah, ok. I mean, AFAIK it's very much possible if talking framerate only, with it targeting lower resolutions.
The lg tvs never show 30 fps , i dont know why, maybe because of the base of the ps5 menu is 60 fps
I mean, is gonna be good with native 60fps but other than that.
for some reason on my 3060ti using frame generation causes crashes and bsod
UI looking weird with Frame Gen is because the developer decided to configure the Frame Generator to ignore UI elements so those sections of the screen are ignored by Frame Gen and displaying at native FPS while the rest of the frame is interpolated.
Still surprises me how they keep trying to make this game relevant. Its like kicking roadkill every other month
Keep in mind that console games don’t usually go above 60 fps, so there’s no need for a setup that supports more than that. This feature would only benefit a few not because it’s lackluster, but due to the same reason that PC gamers didn’t have high refresh rate monitors when it wasn’t possible to get more than 60 fps on pc games. As more games support this feature, then the more people will have high refresh rate setups.
I've been using DLSS3 FG on Ghost of Tsushima (my first time using it) it's great, but there is shimmering(? Not sure how to explain it) on the edges and when you notice it, you can't unsee it. But with FSR3 FG it's more stable, but there are artifacts in the center. And for some reason FSR3 FG crashes me after a bit of playing.
If they fix those artifacts, and please supply FG with the 3d render buffer before rendering the UI, I don't understand why some games decide to do otherwise, unless FG doesn't return the generated frame to the game and displays it directly (in that case... WHY? WHO DESIGNED THAT API?).
EDIT: looking through FSR3 FG's SDK, it looks like it's possible to pass a HUDLess frame buffer, but I'm not sure how it's being used.
EDIT2: according to FSR3 Interpolation documentation, there are 3 ways to integrate FSR3 FG
1. provide both the HUDLess and the final frame buffers (which may cause HUD moving around and other artifacts)
2. provide render UI separately and combine them after wards (which will make it lower frequency)
3. provide a callback so that FSR3 FG can ask you to render the GUI after (which will eliminate both issues but may result in higher frame time because of rendering HUD twice)
I was thinking something like a combination of option 2 and 3, but it makes sense that when FPS with FG is more than 120FPS, it's a waste of Precious milliseconds to render the HUD twice. But I'm happy lowering it to 100, but have nice HUD.
Here an Ideal make game graphics compataible with current hardware and using native res. Next gen graphics are marginal better than last but require stupid hardware requirements and upscaling and frame gen just to get 1080 60fps.
Will fsr3 allow gta6 60fps on ps5 pro?
Will fsr3 come to Steam Deck?
From my experience, the Steam Deck GPU cannot handle frame generation. Most of the time, enabling the setting does nothing - and when there is an effect, it's a bad one. Steam Deck can only do unofficial frame generation, like Lossless Scaling.
VRR on PS5 is way harder luck than XSX|S cuz u must have a monitor that supports HDMI2.1 in order to benefit from VRR
Tvs should be much easier in that case cuz they r more affordable and u can find a cheap Tv that supports HDMI2.1 Forum
I’d rather they continue focusing on upscaling, but if they can massively mitigate the latency issue it could for example be useful for getting the Series S (or future “junior” consoles) to appear to perform more akin to the Series X and then I would think it’s…alright.
I accidentally “tried” fake frames in Starfield (owing to an update changing settings) and…I’m going to confess I was actually impressed with it from the technical visual standpoint. But man…the input lag! I can’t stand that floppy stick feeling.
Even on consoles, the emphasis still needs to be on a base fps of at least 60. If it takes some (or even a lot of) upscaling to get there hey, that’s fine. 60fps was what they marketed at the beginning of this most recent generation, it’s actually a realistic goal (unlike native 4K rendering lol) and that’s what they should stick to.
I'm building my brother a pc but I have 2 spare Gpus. Rx 570 4gb ,and 3050 8gb. I would give him the 3050 but he only pkays Valorant,and GTAV. So rx 570 should be more than enough , and I also preferto keep my 3050 as a room display.
Your C1 didn’t get burn-in? Mine got pretty bad burn in using Xbox
How? Mines doing fine, have the xbix dim after 2 minutes of inactivity.
Do you have it wall hung?
And are you running it with high OLED light?
What burn in OLED's is heat.
Either from running with high light output or by getting the panel hot from bad air circulation or for example the sun shining on it.
I have an OLED I used as a monitor with 41k hours on it from 2016 with zero burn in. And that model year was way more sensitive to burn in than the modern panels.
It did not get any burn in because I was careful about such things. And used basic anti burn in mitigations like running a screen saver and using dark mode in apps.
no burn-in for him cause he is using the superior console, sorry....oh zhiit Im out of here!! :D
@@cajampawall hung yeah. Maybe my brightness settings were too high. I had things like health bars burn in.
@@sherrydowns4052Man that really sucks. The only burn in I ever had was from my Samsung Galaxy S9+. Were the CZcams play button burned into my display.
Just checked it out on a series X, the game feels unresponsive and laggy WITHOUT frame generation turned on, with it on it feels unimaginably worse. Something else must be wrong.
Not a fan, they should work on optimizing games instead, the added input latency is definitely noticeable on controller aswell. Insomniac was able to get Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart running up to 100fps on Ps5 and that game is visually stunning.
Other games already should come with fsr 3, helldivers 2, spiderman, GOW, horizon forbbiden west.
any game should come fsr3 and playing in quality mode with 60 fps. Ps5 and Xbox SX need this technology
I have no idea what everyone is excited about. Wasnt it universally agreed with a low base frame FG is just not worth it? (under 60fps) With consoles most titles are still stuck at 30 and cannot get steady 60fps
Console devs : "can we hit 60fps? no fuck it hit 30, use frame gen and claim 60"
Frame gen for PS5 is massive and we need to overhype it, I want it in all my games... I am not filling any delay or lag and I am using very high stick sensitivity. (120 hz and vrr on)
hopefully they put it in gta6
controller has way higher input latency than mouse&key, so when you go from having 1ms latency on a mouse to having 62ms is huge compared to, for example, PS5 controller that has 57ms of input delay going from 57ms to 90 for example. just like going from 1fps to 60 is HUUUUGE but going from 60 to 120 is not as big of a difference.
Dude this game is free on PS plus last month or couple months ago.
To be honest, I don’t care how it happens as long as it works and looks good not worse