Driving The Polestar 2 From Norway To The Italian Riviera | TOTAL COST FOR THE TRIP
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The E-Tron charging services card or any other “Ionity” card you get from VW group cars, Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Hyundai and Kia is free of charge the first 12 months. Pricing in this video will also apply to those “other” cards. After that there is a monthly fee of 20 euros. This card will also give you discount at other providers like Mer and BKK here in Norway. Polestar also has a deal with Ionity that gives you charging for € 0,35/kWh. My card is 10 months old, so I do not pay a monthly fee.
The card is free but at least with VW you have to sign up for a charging plan with the cheapest kwh pricing beeing 1.6 NOK/kwh with a monthly fixed fee of I think it was 129 NOK/month. Or you can choose to skip the monthly fee and pay 4.4 NOK/kwh.
Just a tip for the next ride through Sweden Kris: there are several free Circle K 150kW chargers along your route. You could most likely have driven through Sweden free of charge (and with a charged battery) as Circle K in Malmö is free as well :)
Just to put this consumption into perspective.
Last year I drove about 3200km from northern Germany to Italy and back with my Volvo S80 D5 215hp (5cyl) with an average 6,5l/100km.
I think for an 408hp all wheel drive car with the manufacturing quality of a Volvo this is completely acceptable.
I was thinking about buying a Polestar 2 for quite some time and this road trip sold me on it completely.
Thanks a lot for the detailed information and the non-biased opinion on the car.
I recomend that you buy a Bropass for Öresundbron. You will save money on your first roundtrip. 1 trip without "Bropass" will cost 630 sek a trip with "bropass" will cost you 234 Sek. The cost of the Bropass is 435 Sek.
Tack för tipset Kristofer :)
Letat bil nu efter att ha sett så många videos haha, m3 lr eller ps2.
Får se vad det blir.
Hi Kris, apparently you're answering all the questions that are passing through my mind before I have to ask ! Thanks again !
Greets from Belgium
Great 😊😊
in his previous video (part 5 of the roadtrip) , Kris asked : whitch country to go next. Only Belgium is still orange. France , Spain, .The Nederlands, HOT RED.
kom naar Brugge (Bruges) , Ieper (Ypres) en surrundings , Kris. thats the western part form Belgium alongside the coast. Ionity at Veurne and Fastned at Oostende airport ;-). been there ( and do not own an EV. ;-)
Hi Kris, thanks so much for sharing another interesting video.
These sheets, to make them even better, needed another column with information on the km traveled between each charge.
Thanks again
Superb Kris !! Love you road trip summary !! Keep it up man :)
I did the trip from Oslo to Rome last year in my Octavia 1.8 tsi. I used about 8.2l/100km in that car. Now considering the insane gas prices of 2022 I could say that it is more than twice as expensive doing that trip in a gas car. Thank you for sharing in-depth statistics from you trip!
Really nice series you´ve made here especialy with this round up info. keep it up :)
Thanks Kris, this is of so much help for our ˋElectric futureˋ with a Polestar. Nice of you to invite us all to join you on your trip!
My pleasure and I’m so glad that you guys are enjoying these trips so much! Remember to like and subscribe so I can do more trips in the future! 🤩😊
13:23 Fabric softener bottles offer a free and discreet as well as clean and hygienic in-car solution (for male drivers, anyway).
Don’t forget that polestar 2 owners now get a Plugsurfing card that gives €.35/ kWh at Ionity chargers. Makes it a far more viable option.
now that's a steal compared to €0.15 I pay for my fast charging and €0.07 if i charge at home ;) Europe has to get their shit together
@@AbroadinChina that’s what I pay charging at Ionity in Norway and at home, but then again we use completely green hydro power, not coal powered electricity as you in China. China really needs to get their shit together….
I did almost the same trip to Genua with my 2021 Model 3 w. Acceleration Boost. My starting point was Malmö, but I took the ferry from Malmö to Travemünde in Germany. Also flat out through Germany when possible. My total average consumption was 179 Wh/km.
Glad to see that the charging went smooth for you, good to know that next car switch even other brands could be relevant.
Grym förbrukning ! Kör du LR eller SR ? :)
Good video series ! Maybe a comparison on the charge time versus the time it would take to fill up a diesel/petrol car? I do drive an EV (a P2 :) ) so I don't want to be negative on EV's/diesels/petrol cars, just pure informational.
I feel mostly, you get free parking in hotels across Europe (I’m from Denmark). So the parking cost incurred while charging should really be added to the charging costs, as you would be able to to use hotel parking for free (or quite cheap) in an ICE vehicle.
The electric deffo does not seem like a better option than an ICE for a road trip like this. But again, I don’t think anyone thought it would be. I’m able to charge at home quite a lot cheaper for everyday driving, than what gas costs. Still take my ICE car down Europe though. I ordered an Ioniq 5, and I’m quite excited to see if I will wanna take that down to Italy next summer.
Plus, you have to account the time spent charging.
Filling the tank of Diesel takes 5 to 10 minutes, and you do it once, no more twice per day.
He had to stop sometimes 6 times in a day.
I'd rather spend this time sleeping in my hotel rather than charging.
Polestar offers a similar discount on IONITY chargers (at least when the car is purchased in Sweden). The Plugsurfing charging card will include a pricing of €0,35/kw on all IONITY chargers for 12 months on new orders and existing Polestar owners will too get this starting july 31st this year.
Same thing if you buy a Volvo, in Austria, Germany or Switzerland.
super interesting facts) driving electric myself almost for a year but have not been to a long journey yet because of the corona, now waiting for the second jab and after will go for almost 3000km trip
Very well made video! 👍 Even if one _could_ say that the cost of using diesel is about the same, and driving electric is not worth the hassle etc, the big savings throughout the year is from daily driving, when you charge at home. Or on shorter road trips, where say half the energy needed is energy from home. In Norway, you even save a lot on toll roads. And of course, driving an EV is more pleasant and fun. 😎 With potentially no emissions. 🍃
Very interesting Kris! It cost me 197€ to drive 5500km from Stuttgart to Sicily and back because of some free chargers in Italy and free charging on Camping Spots. Nowadays I have the Elvah - Flat for 159€ for 850kWh. That works fine for me because we can not charge for .31€ DC but .49€.
Hi Kris, nice trip you did. I must also say you did it quite expensive for yourself, you could have use some free chargers on the way a do not rush that much, then the EV case would be even better when comparing against diesel.
It would be cheaper for you to take the ferry to Hirtshals in the north of Denmark instead of going over the Øresunds bridge and Storebelts bridge for your next trip 👍👍
A combined ticket for both bridges is about the same as the Hirtshals ferry. You only save on driving less km.
As one gets older, the regular frequent charging stops are really beneficial to stretch one's aging back and legs and to relieve an apparently shrinking bladder - but the extra coffees, hamburgers and doughnuts are not lol.
When we drow to holland we took the ferry from Gothenburg to Fredrikshamn and drow down to Germany. More driving and a borring Ferry ride but for us it was cheeper in the end
Hi Kris, thanks for all the details in the videos on this trip. Hope the youtube revenues cover the 700 euro expenses. And I hope that you don't get a ticket for not having an Autobahn vignet in both Switzerland and Austria.
I found the bathrooms super clean in Switzerland though so that was nice.
I used to own an up! (1.0 TSI 115HP). You can easily do 4-4.5l but in order to do that you have to have no cargo and go no more than 90km/h so yeah, no fun at all 🙃
Going 90km/h doesn't really count, my i3S does that with 13-14kWh/100km so then it's even cheaper :D
I cannot believe the tolls for the bridges! Wow!
16:48
Im in Sicily now, started in North of Italy, 1456 km. Renault Capture 2018 petrol. 6.2 per 100km, cruise controlled 135 all way down. And here petrol stays at 1.7 EUR...
Thanks for sharing, these are real results not what people think their car can return! Thanks for your honesty 😊
Thanks so much for this great series about e-mobility. When do you start your european road trips series on Netflix?
Glad you liked it mate 😊 If they some day call me maybe 🙈😂
Polestar is also a part of Ionity network now
Although I agree with the main theme of your conclusions, there are a few aspects that where I would have made the calculations differently.
The parking fees. Where those really parking fees or simply charger occupation fees? The later ones are common in Germany and should be added to the charging costs.
1,35€ is ok for diesel price, but 31ct is quite cheap for a kWh of electricity, so you pay a monthly fee to get that low rate in Norway?
With a more normal price of 40-50ct per kWh the comparison would have been a little bit different.
And at the end, many people don’t care much if the car has AWD and so many HP or can accelerate in 4 sec to 10kph, they just drive from a to b and not so often flat out.
At the end of the day it shows that EVs are cheaper to drive, but it is highly coupled to the fact that diesel and petrol are getting quite expensive lately in Europe.
All in all, it was a nice road trip worth watching. 😁
Some advices, the Oresund bridge has other lower fees, it might be interesting if you plan to do similar road trips in the future.
At German Autobahnauffahrt you have the Perrol stations with services but in between them you also have places where you can park with a toilet and some benches and tables in the case you want to eat. There the toilet is for free, the same in France, Switzerland (at least a few years ago) and Austria, so no need for zip-bags. 😜
I suppose The way to avoid having 20 plus apps to pay charging on different countries IS to accept ionity higher fee and The. Try to manage The cost with car manufacturers yearly deal. If EU would harmonize roaming and payment merhonds that would help a lot. Tesla supercharger has ab edge here since only you have to do IS to plug in.
Good video, I ordered one alreay, but if i didn’t, then i would now. 😄👌
I did a similar trip when Ionity chargers were 8€ per session. I also drove a little slower than you on the Autobahn so my cost was less than 0.03 €/km. But of course I also got screwed by the tolls, ferries, bridges, parking, etc. Everyone always want your money but at least the oil companies won't get any of mine. 😄
You pay to the coalburning powerplants in Germany/southern Europe instead.
@@robertkempe2730 Sure they get a part. Also the French nuclear power and the German solar and wind. That's much better than the oil companies.
When I'm driving in my home country I only use renewable and nuclear.
Haha, i just got flashbacks from Trailer Park Boys and piss jugs scenes :D
I did a 6000km road trip from London to Trondheim (and back) in a 2018 Tesla Model S.
I found it to be a close call between my 320d figures. It's close! Really close! I think the Tesla was cheaper, but not much. I did careful comparisons, taking fuel prices for locations I charged and I think the breakpoint is about 45mpg (UK gallon). I saved about 18% on fuel by going electric.
It would have been cheaper if my Telsa UMC1 worked in Norway, as I had offers of charging at hostels, etc, but Norway has weird earthing 😭
I Think there are so many more variabel to take in to calc. I have a firm diesel (like it to be a bev) but driven that from Denmark to Alicante in Spain about 2600 km have done it in 26 hours and last do a lot of construction in 35 hours. First alone next two drivers. Just to say you are depending of a lot of stoff on the road.
I really like that video and the series of videos where the various stretches of the trip were shown. It shows e-mobility in a more realistic frame than the usual EV test videos are able to do. Well done, keep up that excellent work 👍🏻
There is however one point that was already raised in another comment and that is the pricing of Ionity charging. If I would get an EV from Polestar / Volvo I would not be able to charge for 0.31€/kWh as Polestar / Volvo is not part of the Ionity Joint Venture. Ionity prices for a Polestar owner would be 0.79€/kWh for most parts of Europe instead. That would roughly double the overall charging costs for your trip, thus changing the comparison at least to a Diesel powered car in its favour. Furthermore, to go as fast as you did on a German motorway you would not need 400 PS / HP in an internal combustion engine powered car. And given the Ionity pricing for a Polestar owner I guess a modern Diesel would still be at least equal in terms of cost even doing similar speeds on German motorways.
If you buy a Polestar or Volvo EV, or if you already own one, you can charge for 0.35EUR/kWh at Ionity for 12 months by using the plufsurfing card that you get/got with your car. At least in Sweden, Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Maybe even in all countries in Europe - I have not checked that.
Tbf you should include lost time because of charging when comparing BEV to ICE. But other than that I greatly appreciate your rundown :)
Hi Kris,
Could you also show us a total/comparison on charging time at each charging stop. And also, is at each charging stop something to kill the waiting time?
Thx, and greeting from Belgium!
I have to say the charging cost is quite high. Include the parking costs (I don't think I've ever paid for hotel parking in these countries) and it's almost the same kilometer cost as in my petrol Audi A5 Quattro with 250hp. Sure it's a little bit slower accelerating but I can go 250km/h on autobahn. However 350-450€ for charging or petrol on a trip such as this is negligible when owning a new premium car unless you do it every month.
Thanks for a great road trip would like you to try France and Spain. Think it will be bad
Only for fun. I checked Opodo for a flight from Oslo to Genua and back next week. You have to pay around 400€. Isn't that strange...
Now that’s interesting!
Flying for 1 is quite cheap, they flight companies always assume an 80% full plane.
With an 80% full car, let’s say 3 people, the flight would cost 1200€, a little bit more than 700€. And you need a means of transportation at destination, no matter if it’s a taxi or rental car or whatever.
Going flat out seems nearly impossible when I drove 1700 km Croatia in my Skoda Octavi Combi 150 hp diesel.
The consumption was 4.34 l/100 km. The speed was what was achievable in traffic. So in realistic circumstances it is absolutely doable to hit the same or slightly lower cost.
Going flat out. Not so much.
Watching this video now only. Of course price has changed since then, but I imagine both electricity and diesel/petrol price has evolve roughly the same way. But the important information missing in the video when comparing diesel/petrol price with electricity, is the taxes. Electricity has hardly any tax, between 5% and 19% depending on the country. While diesel/petrol includes more than 60% taxes. It's already well known that with the shift of combustion engine cars towards EV, that we will see much heavier taxes of charging stations costs. Unfortunately.
In the USA the counterpart of Ionity is Electrify America mostly located in huge parking spots of a supermarket chain Walmart. Inside that store the toilet is always free. In fact there are no payments for toilets anywhere. And that is true for Canada as well. I believe payment for toilet is a shameful inheritance from ancient emperor of Rome Nero who instituted that payment saying money do not smell.
Yeah I believe Ionity is just called Electrify America over there, otherwise it is the same owners. Maybe my E-Tron card will work there? 😂
I don’t mind paying for a clean toilet, but make it convenient at least in 2021 🙈 Richard Brandson has gone to space and I cannot pay with a card to pee outside of Zurich? 😂 Go figure!
I love to see this in germany just now... when the prices are 2.20 diesel/petrol (not too much difference at this moment....)
Great stuff, just maybe I missed it, but I would really like to see a summary of how many kWh were charged in total for that trip. (?)
I've really enjoyed watching this road trip, thanks. It's very positive in terms of going electric BUT the one thing concerning me is lot's more electric vehicles will be bought in the coming years and I can see turning up at a charging station being a problem with them being full all the time!? You may need to wait for ages for one to come available adding hours to trips?
Totally agree. I think it is about time that politicians/company's etc step up and prepare the infrastructure for the EV future.
@@nordiccalicamper8154 I think the only realistic way to do that is a Hydrogen infrastructure. The governments should get their heads around that and then a mass electrification for transport will be possible.
Glad you’ve liked the videos, means a lot 😊
Concerning the charging infrastructure in Europe and the future of EV travel in gong to make a whole video about this! I get you concern, but I have a good solution for it 😊
@@KrisRifa I would love to hear your answer on that😊
You considered Disel and petrol car, but what about GPL cars (gas that use propane gas)?
They aren't diffuse in Northern Europe?
Here in Italy they are quite diffused
I don't know in the rest of Europe, but in Italy usually Ionity costs 0,79€/kWh (price with my free Skoda Powerpass)
Hello Kris, well... if i do the maths correctly diesel cost should be 4800/100=48x5,6=268,8x1,35=362,88 which is cheaper than the 367,81 of the electric, also you should take into account the real time usage and cost which means more frequent stops with the electric for charging (more money for coffee stops/resting/food and if you have a family in the car multiply the cost), faster depleting with flat out speeds in Germany means more frequent stops, by the time you charge the car the diesel even when traveling at 145-150 km/h will catch up and eventually pass (just like the rabbit and turtle tale). Also take into account that with a diesel you will arrive faster to your destination due to less frequent stops. So in my opinion diesel is still the most efficient for driving through multiple countries/long distances.
He also has to use the correct price in all countrys for Diesel. Sweden is around 1.6 euro per liter. Norway little bit more expensive around 1.65 euro. Denmark 1.5 euro. Switzerland 1.55 euro/liter, Italy 1.5 euro/liter. etc making diesel cost higher then his exampel. If its a modern car he has to add cost of Adblue. In Sweden its around 7 euro per liter and the consumption of adblue is around 5% of the disel. His calculation of Diesel car cost was very low compared to a real trip.
@@KristoferOlsson Yes perhaps he could take an average of the diesel price, also not all diesels use adblue ( my diesel xc90 doesn't). But yeah he could sum it up. But even then it would be cheaper (the whole trip whole expenses). As for diesel fuel cost i did a trip from Berlin, to Czech republic, Austria, Italy and Greece, 1740km for 134Euros in fuel and one stop for sleep at night until we reached the the port in Italy, Germany was flat out where it was allowed and the rest of the trip was at 145-150-155 km/h in an 2017 XC90 D5 with polestar upgrade.
hi, did you calculate the monthly cost of the etron card? if you do not have an agreement for a cheaper ionity price, it costs much more to charge.
Hi Kris, I have just ordered a Polestar, so I am curious to know, how many kWh you charged to drive 4800 km?
We shall point out that, even though you can drive 200+ km/h on our Autobahn, there are no toll roads in Germany as compared to most of our neighbours 😉👌🏽
OMG, You drove how many thousands of kilometres to get to Italy and ended up in a McDonald's?????
Yes….
Those "parking fees" are more or less Blocking fees ( its actually called that in my ENBW app) and i think its stupid that those apply to AC chargers, it actually makes AC chargers obsolete, its cheaper to let the car charge to 50% on dc twice than to charger to 100% over AC at night.
The other option qould be to plug in , get up after 4hours, unplug and go to sleep again, but again thats totally stupid and not worth the hastle.
I love EV's and fully intend to get one as my next car. However, crunching some numbers for the UK and to do the 2983miles you done, spending £312.63 (€1=£0.85) as you did, I would have to average 56.8 miles per imperial gallon. I know the car's aren't directly comparable but my Dacia Logan MCV 1.5 diesel will easily do that on motorways. I think if you done the trip in something like a KIA e-Niro you would have faired alot better with economy without losing too much time. Great series of videos though. Thank you.
👍👍!!
Your electricity are expensive compared to canada😅. My previous infiniti cost me 450 $cad in gas/month . Now the polestar cost me about 30$/month. Our public charger a 1$/h for level 2 or 10$/h cad for fast charge.
I’m going to complain less about DC fast charging prices in the US. The strange thing is that we keep hearing about how cheap solar and wind energy are, yet charging cost are quite high.
The cost of installing (and maintaining!) the infrastructure is not $0!
@@FFVoyager It isn't in the US either, so what's your point?
Funny thing: At the german current prices of 2,05€/l the Diesel got to be driving at 3,73l/100km. Thats optimistic at least. 😆
Big Mac with gorgonzola at McDonald's. Is it handay or hayundai(Hyundai)
Do you have a website, where you gather all the information and link to your different videos? 😀
If you don't, you should.. 😀👍🏻
Hello Kris, do you know if in Denmark, Germany, Switzerland and Italy if the toll roads and bridges are less expensive for EVs? I beleive in Norway, you pay less for tolls and ferry crossings for EVs, reduction in VAT, correct me if I am wrong. Thanks for the summary by the way, great work!
As it is now you dont get any discount in Denmark for driving an EV
@@nordiccalicamper8154 only parking is free in places like Copenhagen, if you charge. Parking free in City Hall Square i CPH!
@@juleaben I know. But the question was about bridges and toll roads.
They are really saving the planet in Germany. Having to pay for overnight parking while you charge! I can park in Central London, UK and charge without paying parking costs, as long as I am charging. No wonder you didn’t see EVs in Germany!
Those tolls and parking charges are ridiculous. Isn't there a reasonable alternative to these toll roads in Europe? I mean I've driven in Switzerland and Italy and mostly avoided most of the tolls.
Great video, thank you, being Swedish I can not understand how you managed to pay 1 euro for a Pepsi max or equal, have never found anything now adays in that level, last time about a week ago I paid 1.7 euros.
Don’t think those costs for charging are bad, to be honest… after all, how many average drivers would do more than the odd trip like that in an average lifetime? That’s probably where the Teslas would show their supercharger advantage!
The most important thing was proving that it could be done fairly smoothly and without too much charging stress. Good stuff anyway.
So you got the E-tron ionity card. But what are the possibilities to get cheaper power through europe if you are just a normal Polestar owner. Are you simply forced to pay full price?
Perfect work Kris! Also it sums up quite nicely to my own experiences running petrol, diesel and EV cars for the last 30yrs.
On average through Norway now, with the higher priced non-Ionity chargers, I’m looking at 0,8€/8NOK pr 10km during roadside charging at Recharge/Mer in my Taycan as I have no access to cheap Ionity chargers up north. This is less than half of the petrol cost for my previous 2018 Opel Insignia (260hp) (~1L/10km at Norway speeds, 1,2L/10km at German speeds). So the Polestar cost 2,5times less than my old petrol car did when we drove to Northern Italy in it in 2018. I guess my Taycan, being more efficient than the Polestar would be around 3 times cheaper to run than the Insignia.
How come Ionity in Denmark deviates from all other Ionity pricing across Europe?
3,30 SEK is about 2,40 DKK is about 31 Ct. so why do you think that IONITY DK deviates from the rest? 🤔
Taxes. Electricity in Denmark is taxed pretty heavily for legacy reasons.
@@e-redj I see that now. It’s actually Norway that deviates from the rest of the world. We pay just 0.176€ per kWh charging on Ionity using the Porsche/Audi card
@@Nord_Mann Yes, you lucky bastards!!
Now do please another EU trip to Cabo da Roca in Portugal :) That would be a long one...
Du er vanvittigt 😀 kører 4800km på 5 dage... men dine resultater er så virkelige. Det er netop sådane test man kan bruge til noget. Tak for mange underholdende timer😀😀😀
Takl for fine ord og at du ser på 😊😊
There is no single public charging station that allows you to charge at these prices in Finland, the cheapest are from K-Lataus, and they do about 27c/kWh.
The prices in this video are totally unrealistic as of 2021.
Plugsurfing card, which comes with polestar advertises prices closer to 70c/kWh, which is 2x more that the prices in this video, 87c/kWh in Ionity stations (ionity charges 79c/kWh)
All prices above are Euro based.
31ct/kWh in Germany is really really cheap, often you need to calculate with at least 39 or 49 cents and then we're looking at a completely different ballpark..
Yeah IONITY with s card is not bad, but ok Norway it is actually 18,5ct/kWh! Now that is cheap!
@@KrisRifa 17,6ct/kWh with the Porsche card in my Taycan. 1,85NOK/kWh. Cheaper than Tesla at 2,57NOK/kWh.
I don't use instagram - what was the drama?
..but don‘t forget, with a good diesel you only have to refuel every 1000km..
Finally, a vlogger that can pronounce Porsche and Hyandai properly. This is much better than a Norwegian vlogger that mispronounce and chews simultaneously. You have my thanks.
Now, if you can give range power consumption figures in the industry standard KWh/100 km, fantastic.
Be honest. One wouldn't have to go very fast in a diesel car to match your average speed. From my experience 1800km/day isn't a problem. You could have saved money AND time.
And you haven't used 400hp for more than a few seconds anyway. Continuous max power for the Polestar is 218hp. Top speed for the Polestar is 205km/h. Most cars will do that.
The bottleneck of the trip was not it being an EV, and not way you could go 1800km in a day with the traffic and road works and boarder crossing in Corona times as well as pit stops, food breaks etc. The days I drove economical I could easily go 300KPH pluss or around 3 hours. I would never go longer, or recommend anybody to do longer stints than that without stretching your legs.
Of course a diesel or petrol car is faster, nobody is claiming otherwise - so don't see the point of that comment. What diesel does a lower average than 5,6l/100 km at these speeds with a whole day going almost flat out? And, not the Polestar does not only have 408HP for a few seconds. Sure many cars will do 205KPH, but it is not about top speed - it's about acceleration.
A small and low powered diesel could be economical, sure. But so could a small and low powered EV... what is you point? If this trip was done in an ID3 77kWh it would be cheaper than any diesel.
Assuming that Ionity, EnBW and all the others will close the gap by increasing their pricing step by step soon… 🤨
Need to work out the actual diesel (and petrol) price per km to get a direct comparison of cost.
The diesel consumption and fuel cost you show actually gives an identical cost of €365 for the 4,800 km.
Sure not as fast as the Polestar 2 but this is offset by the charging stops - and extra McDonald costs lol.
I don't get your assertion about a diesel not doing 4.6. I routinely drove a mk VI TDI Golf from Montreal to Chicago during 2012 - 2016, doing that 4.6/100km on summer tires. Now I'm much happier running the Tesla 3 LR for the trip but if it weren't for emissions reasons i wouldn't care much...i miss my VeeDub and wish i could have an R or my old Porsche 944, and a clean conscience.
First of, it is not an assertion because it is based on my own experience owning countless diesels. I challenge anybody to DM me photo of them doing an average speed of close to 120KPH on the trip computer over 8-12 hours with consumption as low or even close to 4,6l/100km. If there is such photographic evidence of this out there, it most definitely won't be in a car this size and with this performance.
Secondly from what I could find online Illinois has a speed limit of 70MPH (112KPH), Ontario of 100 and 110KPH and Quebec 100KPH. The slowest leg of my trip was through Norway with 110KPH speed limits(around 230km of the total 4800km), most of Sweden and Denmark has speed limits of 120KPH, Switzerland, Italy and Austria the speed limit is 130KPH and in Germany large sections of the Autobahn is D-restricted. I was doing between 10-20KPH above the speed limit throughout the trip and the second day I was doing flat out through Germany. And the fourth day on my retur I was doing 160-180KPH on the D-restricted sections. And then we have the mountain passed through the Alps which was to an elevation more than 2000m each way.
There is a huge difference is consumption at 100KPH and 130KPH because aerodynamic drag increases with the square of speed. At 150KPH aerodynamic drag is twice what it is at 100KPH.
In Denmark on day two we had strong head winds of 10-12m/s and then there is the whole road works though Germany every 20-30km with constant runs from 100KPH to 150-200KPH.
So this trip, the roads, the elevation changes, speed etc cannot the slightest be compared to your Montreal - Chicago trips. Sorry brother, but most of my viewers here are Europeans like me and live in these countries and have travelled a lot on these roads and on these routes. I'm pretty sure 99,99% would agree that a Mark Vi Golf TDI would not be able to do this trip with a consumption of 4,6l/100km - not even close. I think a consumption of around 7-8l/100km is more realistic with the driving I did here.
@@KrisRifa I'd be happy to DM you a picture of my VW trip computer showing 4.6 l/100 km, but that apparently wouldn't satisfy your argument that mountains and higher speeds are involved. I routinely cruised at 120 but, fair enough. I think part of the difference may actually also be that my TDI was complying with Euro 5 or maybe even Euro 4 emissions requirements, when yours in that time period were on Euro 6. Also i was running a two litre engine while you're talking about a 1.x engine, ie i may have had some minor advantage at cruising speed due to higher inertia. Finally, the diesel sulphur and biofuel content mixes are different EU to Canada / US, so that may be another explanation, in addition to yours about higher average speed / COD impacts.
An assertion, like a claim in argumentation, is based on experience observation and memory, and i called it that because a fact would be something we could independently verify. I am asserting I routinely got 4.6 in long highway drives here and you are claiming I'm full of it because you say you got nowhere near that in your own driving. I believe you but you are saying I'm making that up and also, fuck me because I'm not driving the same conditions as you. I'd say we should look up some actual research but then this is the internet and no one is interested in the facts much or for long here. So, have a nice drive.
Thanks for very informativ and exciting roadtrip. I have one consideration to make: The cost for 1 KW at a Ionity charger is 0,79 Eur without paying a monthly fee in Germany . What about your E-Tron card?
So it is!
Ionic 5 road trip would be awesome
Watching the Diesel prices in 2022 😂
I think I would rather fly these distances.
Yeah well, many of us have done that countless times. I would have loved to drive down to Italy from Norway myself in a Polestar 2..
That really isn't that cheap. I'd say marginally better than a powerful diesel and a lot worse than my 12 year old Audi A3, especially at motorway speeds. I was really hoping the way you built it up it was going to be genuinely cheap as I'm all for the electric car push. BUT I still think on terms of ownership, EV would crush a diesel over a year given you'll do a big chunk of local driving at lower speeds/higher efficiency, plus charging at home I imagine is considerably cheaper than when you need to use a public charger.
I don't get this trend for paid toilets 🙄 it's even happening in Botswana as well seen it in SA too like I get water getting expensive but ulls probably making 150%+ profit margins so what the hell
Ouch, that seems quite expensive for the trip. My last BMW 320D managed to do 68.9mpg over the 180,000 miles driven but I can’t work out the conversions this early in the morning. Lol 🤦♂️
Yes, but your 320D won’t do 68,9MPG Imperial at 150KPH and throughout the alps though 🙂 Not even close!
@@KrisRifa And a 320D RWD isn't exactly comparable to a mean machine 4x4 PS2. Also 3.4L/100km sounds highly unlikely.
@@vnsolbk those are British mpg which are more like 4.15l/100km
Still, very low.
@@KrisRifa The car always amazed me as to how economical it was. (320D Efficient Dynamic). It didn’t even have cruise control because it uses more fuel. Lol.
However, it must be honestly said that the Polestar 2 has a high consumption in comparison…
Yeah, I think something like an E-Niro would be interesting to test to see the cost. It may be as much as 30-40% cheaper because of lower consumption. And remember, day two I was hammering it for almost 15 hours 😬😎 That did not help on the consumption 🙈
@@KrisRifa I’m currently on a similar trip from Copenhagen to Tuscany and my Tesla Model 3 has a lot lower consumption than the polestar. And I don’t drive slow 😇
The price doesnt include the lack of pesto and the other gourgeous stuff youve missed in Italy 😆
True! 😂😂
This calculation assumes an Ionity subscription, which costs around 18 Euro/month, and (for Audi drivers) can only be purchased on a yearly base. If, like me, you hardly use that during the year, and you only need it for that one trip, you should add that yearly subscription to the total cost. Or calculate with the full Ionity price, which is over 70 cents/Kwh. That will give a completely different result :-)
These calculations don’t assume anything. It is a calculation of the actual trip I took 😂🙈 that couldn’t be more clear 😊
And as I SAID IN THE VIDEO, these prices will apply to all brands that have ownership in Ionity. All VW group cars, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Ford, Hyundai and Kia. First 12 months are free and 20 euro or month after that. Please people, watch the actually video before commenting 😎
@@KrisRifa completely agree. However, 12 months with an electric car pass very quickly 😉 and after that, the cost is much higher.
I just got a new VW ID.3 in Sweden, and I did not get any 12 months free or any €0.31 Ionity deal from VW (those deals were for 1st movers only, I was told). My ”deal” is a WeCharge card that gives me an Ionity price of SEK 6.25 per kWh, i.e. 5 times the cost of my normal home AC charger. Can I get en e tron card from VW that will cut my Ionity pricing in half?
@@lighthouse66 you have the WeCharge Plus, but it has a monthly fee. The Audi card also has a monthly fee if you want to have low IONITY prices.
Here in Germany the monthly fee was lower for the first 12 months, but I don’t know what is the current situation.
I would go nuts if I would have to stop 6-7 times at about 30-45min each stop, just to get through Germany…. And no, I don’t have to pee and/or eat 6-7 times over a day either.
Do you have a charging deal with ionity with a monthly fixed fee? I don't and pay 4.4 kr/kwh which is the cheapest tariff on ionity without a monthly fee for VW users the first year. After the first year I'll guess the tariffs are even higher. Your charging sessions was cheaper which then suggest a subscription scheme,and if that is the case you can't really compare cost with petrol and diesel. In fact if you do not have a subscription deal on ionity the cost would sky rocket compared to fossils. And the subscription schemes do only makes sense if you do a lot of charging on the roads and travel long distances. If you take only one or two long trips through Europe a year and charge all the rest at home,then the fossil option for the Europe trip would be cheaper I think..
I did the calc last night : ionity no sub price is 0.79 / kwh. ... sub = 13 euro / month ... you need to have 4- 5 full charges on 80kwh battery to have benzfit from the subscription... not a lot in fact...
@@quiller297 Well,I do say 4-5 80 kWh on fast chargers a month is alot. With just home charging alone I manage to charge 2 cars for a total of 60.000 km a year. I've been driving electric since 2014 and fast charging is only mandatory if you travel more than approx 400 km a day. If you travel less then home or destination charging is enough . But you of course have to have access to either or you do need fast charging. So 4-5 fully 80 kWh on fast charging a month is in my scenario alot and it suggest that you do travel 4-5 days a month over 400 km one way distance. So a monthly based charging subscription to get the lowest charging rates may not be the best solution if you dont travel long distances often. But it could make sense in other scenarioes. But when comparing cost you need to take into account what charging plan applies to you..as it may differ alot
@@venti4268 a year to get a break even with the price reduction from the subscription... Not a month!!! (maybe i am calculating it wrong ...)
I had no idea that Switzerland was a 3rd world country.
Same here. Ad after ad after ad. Each as long as 5-10min. Not watchable.
Diesel is still cheaper to run. Wait till the governments implement new taxes on electricity used for EV, equivalent to the taxes used for liquid fuels. Then it will get so much more expensive to run EVs.
Did you even watch the video? 😂🙈 it just isn’t, simple fact
The words Best and MCDonalds should not go together :-)
😂😂😂🙈
A slow FWD diesel car with half the performance can match Polestar 2 in travel cost. I think most people would choose the high performance AWD EV, if they can afford one. Also, A Tesla would beat the Polestar 2 in travel cost and performance.
But would you want to drive 4800km in a Tesla? The ride, road noise and seats are less comfortable as in the polsetar (as I heared)
This was poor stuff. 😂
Yes you pay for pee in Germany
But you drive on autobahn for 2000 km for 0 Euros!!!
True! As I said, I don’t mind paying 😊 Just make it easy with a card 👌
I believe the money you pay for the toilets give a coupon at the same amount, which you can afterwards use in the shops by the Autobahn.