Dragon Ball: SUPER Review (Part 3) - The Goku Black Arc
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- In this Part 3 to my Dragon Ball Super review series I (Totally Not Mark) am diving head first into the wild and wonderful world of the Goku Black arc.
With Evil Goku, Vegito and possibly the worst ending in all of Dragon Ball... Today's episode should be fun!
Music Used:
-Vegito vs. Zamasu - Friedrich Habetler Music
• Dragon Ball Super - No...
-Black's Theme - PokeMixr92
• Dragon Ball Super - Go...
-Heroic Battle - Friedrich Habetler Music
• Dragon Ball Super - He...
-Orchestra of Justice - PokeMixr92
• Dragonball Super - Orc...
-Desperate Assault - PokeMixr92
• Dragonball Super OST -...
-Black's Frustration - PokeMixr92
• Dragonball Super - Bla...
-Orchestra of Justice - Android Orchestra
• Dragon Ball Super Orch...
-Black's Theme (Dragon Ball FighterZ) - Ferdk
• DRAGON BALL FIGHTERZ -...
-Zamasu's Theme (Dragon Ball FighterZ) - LittleV
• Dragon Ball FighterZ -...
-Ultimate Battle (Kazoo) - MaxHP
• Ultimate Battle - Drag...
-Limit Break X Survivor (Kazoo) - PhoenixVG
• Dragonball Super Openi...
-Lo-Fi Remix of DBS Opening 1 - Rifti Beats
• Video
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My kiss turned Goku Black good.
Totally Not Mark loved the video sir. Keep them coming. I’ll keep sharing them(:
this arc is really weird it has some really awesome episodes and some fucking bad ones... but in general I quite enjoyed it... except for the damn stupid ending.
As if Goku Black could ever love a *ningen.*
On a more serious note, I remember Plague of Gripes making a video about why the timelines don't work, though it got removed from CZcams from all indication. Any chance you'll collaborate with him for yours?
Now everytime I see goku black
I remember Totally Not Mark kissing black
Maybe make a video of how would you fix the Goku Black Arc
Trunks: “HOLD YOUR FIRE, THIS MAN ISN’T BLACK!”
Soldier: “what.”
*_w h a t_*
ItsMad Lad the best part about that line. Is that there was no way they didn’t do it on purpose 😂😂
N A N I
Hello There no the best part is Trunk’s va talking about recording that line
The greatest out-of-context line of dialogue I've heard in God knows how long. XD
The man who killed bulma was wearing her best friends face
That is some sad shit
Fr
@@roseakanotfakegoku Look who's talking
@@shanmaknojiya8136 can't you her my sarcasm why would i care about some mortal
@@roseakanotfakegoku Bruh, Jiren and Broly would clap you
@@jantheking7028 what does that have to do with anything
“This man isn’t black” is the greatest out of context anime clip ever
"What?"
JJBA: Are you challenging me?
@@magentapurpleyap5566 cue cherry licking scene
@@patrickcurtis642 RERORERORERORERORERORERORERORERORERO
What about ghost stories
I don't know what's worse. The fact that Mai thought that a bullet would work on Black or the fact that it pushed him off his chair.
honestly considering theres a scene where super saiyan goku gets hurt by krillin throwing a pebble at him it might have worked
@@TheAustronaut03 that's filler
@@aron1089 so is the bullet scene
@@TheAustronaut03 and yet here we are
@@aron1089
That was a filler? Wait why did Dragon Ball Z Kai include that scene?
The whole “Goku not understanding sex” thing only worked in DB because he was a 12 year old who had never seen a woman in his entire or had been around people other than Gohan. Now he’s like 40+ years old and with a granddaughter and it’s just creepy. It’s like they took Goku from DBZA and tried to emulate it but failed miserably
I don’t get how ppl interpret this as “poor chi-chi, Goku never shows her affection” when they’ve canonically had sex. Like u said, Goku still acting naive abt these things has creepy undertones like he doesn’t even know what he and chi-chi did
@Tia Blue I just want to point out it that I got this from someone who commented from Geekdom101’s video about Goku and Chichi kissing in the cell saga that the kiss and sex could be a joke of vegeta misunderstanding Goku’s comment on trunks kissing mai that it could be Goku not having to give a mouth to mouth resuscitation of a senzu bean and Goku being surprised about it but I might be incorrect about this
I always considered it as Goku being weirded out that Trunks delivered the senzu bean in the form of a kiss, rather than not understanding what a kiss is, to be honest.
+Grandusursly Wek: yeah I kinda get the feeling that’s what they meant, but they told the joke pretty poorly
@Tia Blue thats understandable
There's no logical reason Trunks and Mai didn't stay in the present timeline. The timeline they went to already had them, the present timeline did not, and Future Trunks being added to the Z-Fighters roster would've been legendary.
He and Mai are not present in the last episode of DBZ (Which takes place years after this arc in the timeline)
Could you imagine if trunks was in the TOP? That would've been awesome. He would be really interesting to see, specially because he has no god powers but can still grow by mastering other transformations
Agreed!
They could have send them to the timeline where he died I'm sure he is needed there to stop buu and protect earth
It would make the roster for the ToP too Saiyan for my taste. It's already overwhelmingly human.
Also, Freeza would probably implode from sheer anger. AND figure out about time-travel.
AND figure out that present Trunks is Future Trunks.
This is all knowledge I wouldn't want Freeza to have on any capacity.
Let's be honest, Chi Chi has been calling sex training for a very long time.
Got A Name For It?
Got A Name For It?
@@nocontent3644 yeah special indurance training that helps increase ki usage
@@kingoof8065 👌
:/
10:00 Also this episode is special because is one of those rare instances where Bulma's mom opens her eyes.
Holy crap
There was also one episode in dbz where she opens her eyes (I think it was the beginnign of the Buu arc, but I'm not sure).
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@@crowofjudgement4718 there was also a time in the cell arc when bulma said to her "I'm meeting up with my son"
Her ma opened her eyes as a what the fuck
Best part of the filler is when Future Trunks found out Krillin married Android 18. Great moment.
True
Nah
@@xnortheast1106 yeah
So are we gonna ignore the fact that Mark drew himself kissing Goku Black
Now the pink hair of goku black makes more sense
Gay
No. GAAAAAAAY
Hah GAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!
Super Vegito? More like Super GAY
"oh look guys zamasu's still alive, better throw the whole universe away"
“Don’t just kill him and leave the rest of the universe alive”
@@greenrockgirl5150 yeah, Zeno's stronger than the super dragon balls, in theory, so why couldn't he just erase Zamasu?
Zamasu basically.. became the universe.
@@sujunma THAT MAKES NO SENSE
@@sujunma "I'm the Light Bringer! I'M THE FUCKING UNIVERSE!"
- Lucifer, Alone in the Dark (2008)
The Zeno ending would have been better if the characters were actually aware of the tragedy of the situation. Like, if they KNEW that summoning Zeno was the last-resort solution and would only end with him nuking the universe, but they had literally no other choice because Zamasu fused with it and was starting to bleed into other timelines.
But no, in the context of the story, it's just Goku being a buffoon again
The manga arc ending is more like this in a sense
@@Grizzexploder nearly the same thing
You’re kissing Goku Black? Bro, you’re not respecting social distancing
Arctic Alpaca too late. He got the black rona
😂😂
The most Tumblr thing I’ve ever seen
@@YodaSmokes you mean e b o l a
Aqua Armour I mean sars_covblack
I really hate how they've massacred Goku's character for no reason. Compare Namek-Android Saga Goku to any of this. The kissing dialogue from Goku was just unnecessary.
I can't even enjoy it. It's like I'm not even watching Goku
@@theavatar9191 It's extremely out of character for him. Goku is 40-something around this time, not a man-child. He has had years of fighting experience, and he has shown his maturity countless times in DBZ, so it just makes no sense to ruin his character like that.
Master I feel like they made him dumb for ultra instinct
Cue all Goku haters saying "this is what Goku ALWAYS was in Toriyama's vision", probably dropping the infamous quote when he said he wanted people to think he wasn't a good guy at all.
fml
@@warwick802 not only that, we're talking about a goku that was actually very smart when it comes to fighting and was average in term of actual inteligence and they're trying to say that this 40 year old genius fighter who was able to tutor Gohan even more effectively than Vegeta taught Trunks doesnt know what a kiss is is just pure BS
the concept of "great idea, terrible execution" fits this arc to a tee
No, they did it amazingly, it's just that the story board always fecking changes like add this add that type of scenario.
@@HullsColby ...which proves that the execution was terrible lol
@@webbiefade14 no it isn't, the concept keeps changing but the execution isn't, which means they executed the bullshit concept and demands of their client amazingly.
@@HullsColby lol okay so you think the concept was terrible instead? That's fair lol. But still the execution of those terrible concepts were subpar, why? Because Toei had different staff members coming in and adding their own pieces to the story, which explains why the structure of the arc seemed so shitty. Ex: One day the Toei staff wrote Vegeta to be stronger than Goku after training in the HTC while Goku practiced the mafuba, and the next day a different set of staff wrote Goku to suddenly be stronger with no explanation and overpower merged Zamasu when wasn't even stronger than Goku Black himself.
@@webbiefade14 And that's exactly why they did the execution amazingly, out of all the bullshit the executives are doing the directing management makes sure to make it entertaining. There's no deeper science behind this or outside or third party influence to it, they just did a great job at executing it.
This is an old video, but just here to say that black destroying trunk's time machine makes sense. He wants to remove all threats to his elimination of all mortals. If trunks is stuck is another timeline, trunks can't stop him! Makes sense
and also that hakai does erase all version of a being unless they are protected by a time ring
He really didn't saw anything and just spout stufficio for masses that don't want to use their brains.
I think the problem is, how would he go back after. Did he know he would be pulled back eventually? I don't remember, but maybe not.
@@gabrielvasconcelos4055 he destroyed the time machine while he was being ripped back to his time
@@Silverstain which is really, really weird, also zamasu wasnt erased in the future timeline, so um whats up with that? he wasnt wearing a time ring? and why is the hakai different than zeno earasure?
Interviewer: Describe the Goku Black ark in one word.
Mark: "What?!"
Piccolo in the distance: ᵂʰᵃᵗˀᵎ
@@XG417 me: "Jeez, I think I can hear that"
TheDecepticondude **naniii?!?!?
Zamasu
Interviewer: Fascinating. Second, follow up question: how do you feel about the ending?
Mark: "The Fuck?!"
You don’t know how much I missed the “I’M BLACK Y’ALL” song.
Best part of this videos easily 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Never even heard the song before. Being black, I’m considering it for my theme song
Yeah, from the og video
@@garouthedemon7401 search up 'im black y'all'
Air-headed Aviator it’s a famous clip from the movie CB4
The power scaling in this reminds me of the scene from GT where Omega Shenron is able to beat the snot out of SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta, but base Goku somehow holds back a massive blast.
Lmao that scene almost made me chuck my phone at the wall, along with how he was somehow invincible while charging the spirit bomb
I remember someone saying that that's his "changed" state and that he could've abandoned the spirit bomb and beat Omega to death with his bare fists if he wanted to.
At least it had a relation with the cliffhanger ending,since we never and will never know what happened to Goku after he fell off that crater if he died and somehow achieved omnipotence maybe?
@@bensoncheung2801 its called change state where he is invulnerable
@@canondripgoku5159 the general consensus with that scene is that Goku borrowed shenron's power in order to beat Omega shenron but because of that Goku was essentially dead and had to leave with shenron to the eternal dragon realm.
I'm just realising the parallels between Zamasu and Ginyu. Both stealing goku's body after a demonstration of power. Eventually defeated because they do not understand how to use goku's body due to a lack of understanding of said body.
Which was BS itself because he DID learn how Goku's body works and learned how to become a SSJ and even use the Kamehameha, and yet he became deformed because he was half mortal...? Which doesn't make sense because he was still a Kai just in a mortal's body, in which that shouldn't matter because Merged Zamasu's fusion never ran out regardless of Goku's body being mortal or not. WTF is this writing?
Actually, Zamasu had complete control over Goku's body, so you are wrong. Zamasu combined his own divine Ki and created his own super sayain, so he clearly understood how to use Goku's body. So their only similarity is that they both took his body
Yeah you completely missed the mark on that one. Zamasu was defeated because he fused with his other self, which does not have an immortal body. Thus making fused Zamasu no longer immortal.
Every DBZ villian: I'm the ultimate evil.
Adult Gohan: Hold my dinner, I have ice cream to eat first.
Lol
That ice cream scene must've from a non-canon "What if Gohan was from the hood" movie. What a fucking gangsta
The best part of the whole “Goku never kissed ChiChi” thing is that in the Android saga they literally kiss on screen after he wakes up.
But here's the question
Was it filler?
No idea tbh.
Even if it is though I still don’t buy it. They would have had to at least have kissed at the wedding etc.
That's dub only, and the sub version never had that.
oh my god, that is fucking perfect.
@@kurozunakabuto9682 It's technically a filler scene because that particular shot was not in any of the panels of the manga. It's in volume 15
One thing I do appreciate a little bit is that in the manga, Goku doesn't forget the seal for the Mafuba, but instead gets it mixed up with a coupon. The mistake's a bit more believable and honestly might not have even been Goku's fault, considering Roshi doesn't seem to take much care for his possessions and might've just given Goku the wrong slip of paper by mistake
Still better than the anime.
I've just rewatched most of DBS (without fillers) for the first time since it's initial run. Those who claim that "Goku was always dumb" need to re-watch Dragonball & DBS to see that Goku has become DUMBER than a child. First forgets the zenzu beans, AND then the mafuba seal, less than 10 episodes apart?! Come on, Toei & co... :(
@@bcbitchkkv exactly. Goku has never been a genius, but he's definitely not so ignorant and stupid to undermine the severity of a dire situation by forgetting THE ONE THING that was supposed to give them a chance of winning.
i remeber roshi giving him in a coupon in anime i swear it happend
I think it’s kinda stupid even if it’s a plausible mistake, what’s the point of Goku spending all that time learning of it if he doesn’t even bring the tools for it to work. I would’ve rather the plan just fails than for it to be a mistake that was made before the fight even started
I think the best way to sum up this arc is “PLOT ARMOR”
Akira's favourite part of his dragon ball story:plot armor
Yea why did dragon ball even exist
(Dragon ball super)
*Cough* everyone dies at the end *cough*
333 👍
Dude not even a minute in and this man has already lost his mind more than in his GT video
Thank you🤣👌
LightningSaiyajin super frustrates him but gt bores him
uh oh, this dont bode well
@Meem Ain
It's already known tbh that Super is worse
The Lover Boy he said he prefers Super.
Most people call this just the Future Trunks arc but I like to call it 'The Future Trunks gets utterly and completely done dirty but its ok because the animation is pretty cool arc'.
I just call it the Black arc, let's be honest, Goku Black carried the whole damn thing once he was gone, it was all over
@jesus barrera It's ok in the destroyed timeline because everything looks darker and grittier but in the normal world yeah they look like absolute horseshit
@jesus barrera Eh, I disagree, I like the look of it to be honest, but too many of its events was total ass.
Laaibah Wahid true dat🤔😄
I think that final would be okay if Trunks didnt return to a bootleg version of his future and instead was part of the Tournament of Power.
That way he might had been the one to restore the universes(and his timeline) or at least help to accomplish that, with some fanservice of him and 17 fighting together like Goku and Frieza since the whole theme of the arc was enemies sticking together and trusting each other for a common goal.
You were saying that the final episode of the arc is pointless because of the ending
But it's even worse
It makes *all* of Future Trunks' story retroactively pointless. Remember Episode of Trunks? Well they all die. Remember the Trunks epilogue? Well they all die. Remember when Trunks went back to fix his timelines hopeless future by saving Goku? Well his timeline and everyone in it dies.
Damn Trunks life is depressing asf and pointless.
My man trunks can’t catch a fucking break like it’s honestly sad
Not if you don't think of Super as canon
@@elcroccante3112 Super is Canon, Toriyama is working on it by providing both the manga and anime with plot points... That's common knowledge
@@legacytag of course I know it's canon, but have you ever heard of headcanon? When fans don't like how the rest of a story plays out they delete it from their mind. For me Dragon Ball ended with Z, Game of Thrones never went past season 3 and Naruto never had a War Arc.
Imagine how future Bulma felt having her own childhood friend murder her in cold blood.
It is sad INDEED. Reminds me of a man who said "From this day forward, you and I. Are friends NO MORE!"
That person wasn't goku anyway
@@Coolguy-or8ex she probably didn't know though
I remember when 47 dropped people thought black was somehow the future goten. Good times
It be like that sometimes... probably would've been better
@@shirahoshi8406 time travel
Ah yes, future goten, the child that was never conceived because goku died from a heart virus before the androids who killed chichi showed up. Very 5head theory 🤣
@@simplyskrypt3914 wait what? Gohan was born before The Heart Virus
@@vergil_6707 Goten not Gohan. Goten was born after Gohan killed Cell, where in other timelines Goku died before the Androids even existed.
Trunks:”this man is not black”
Soldier:doesn’t shoot
We live in a society
Edit:weirdly this is kinda relevant
Get a load of this society.
*Ross Geller pointing to the background*
Hey cops don't shoot unless ur black its been proven 😂
Sile72 sorry I’m so lame for your standards
FORGIVE ME,FORGIVE ME,I ASK FOR FORGIVENESS
A society doesn't live in an us.
It's "Hold your fire! This man isn't black!" I don't remember how it goes in original dub.
I never realized that everyone literally died and nobody cared xD
They had it coming.
I always just assumed Vegeto unfused inside Buu because of Buu's weird magic body and anything goes with him. And Super doesn't retcon something that was never 100% stated, it just gave it a reason to happen, but I think they could pulled some cool stuff of Vegeto trying to unfuse if it had been permanent.
Exactly
Intro to this was absolutely hilarious
“I’m doing this for you” and “I love you” had my sides in knots lol 😂
Every part of this has some sort of comedy.
To quote abridged Yamcha:gay
@@sbevexlr848 as long as the internet exists, DBZA will be referenced.
@@TheBluePhoenix008 you are speaking the truth
I really liked Trunks catching up with Gohan, his entire character is so heavily tied to Gohan that it'd have been weird to go the whole arc without them interacting.
I hated how the power of the different forms are wildly inconsistent. At times, super saiyan blue looks and feels weaker than just their super saiyan forms.
"It's mindless but visually fun."
So... the original Broly movie, basically?
@DimensionalBattleStudios "Substance" is a strong word, but I see your point.
So Dragon Ball
@DimensionalBattleStudios so the bio broly movie
Better than Super at least regardless if it had substance, whatever or not
Jetman2021 Dragon Ball is not mindless, it’s far more coherent with better written characters than Z, GT and Super
Story? Character Development? Logical Consistency in World Building?
Who needs that garbage when you have FANSERVICE. Gotta sell that merch somehow.
What are those three things? Are they fruits?
@@Smileface2144 Cue stupid Goku thinks everything is Food.
@@Ineedgames god fucking damn it almost made me spit my drink LMAO
Ummm i don't think we watched the same show
Literally everyone but goku got development even frieza
And super did have a story but you just chose to ignore it
Logical consistency ? Z has had its problems with it too
so why are you only nit picking towards super? If you are trying too say super is a cash grab then thats a you problem because it was more than just fanservice and the fact you watched it till the end proves it
@@SonGoku-777
I'm not gonna go as far as to say that Super only existed for fanservice and merch, but on the whole it just fails as a continuation of Z for me. Z is not a flawless series, but IMHO it's way more well thought out in it's overall pacing, story and character development than Super is. And considering that Akira Toriyama basically made up Z's plot on the run that's kinda embarassing for Super. Saying that Super did have no Character development at all is certainly false (I love Freeza in Super), but the way the development was often delivered felt really forced and not natural at all.
A lot of the problems I have with Super are summed up in this video perfectly: It threw interesting concepts out of the window as far as execution goes, simply to generate trailer-based "hype" around certain "big twists" and things just too often revert back to square one after the big bad is defeated. Take UI as an example: At least it was foreshadowed, but Goku just achieving it out of nowhere in a matter of 40 minutes felt really unnatural when compared to the long-time struggles he had to go through to achieve even SSJ. Super has great moments and good aspects, but it's not nearly as good as Z and original DB for me, because it just lacks the emotional investment of those series'. It stands way above of GT tho.
Mai must have been horrified to see Goku Black, especially since he was destroying the world without his great ape form.
I think Goku has definitely kissed Chi Chi before, its just that when Vegeta asked "you've never done that before?" Goku thought he was reffering to the baby bird thing, not kissing. Gokus initial reaction was most likely a translation thing.
I hate how every single piece of bad writing in anime/manga is always initially written off as a “translation thing.” Any piece of bad writing MUST be because the translators were incompetent, and not because the writers wrote something badly.
@@jerryborjon He said "most likely." As in, it is a possibility, but not a concrete answer.
@@Hulkzilla0 - That’s true, but I never claimed otherwise.
@demonslayer674”✌️deez nuts” - 🤓
So, the arc ends with a literal deus ex machina button being pressed and supergod just wiping the bad guy from existence... along with countless innocent people. It'll be great. Fans will love it.
I mean... countless? Pretty sure Trunks and his group was the last of survivors. Androids wiped out large portion of humanity, then Black followed up.
Also, if he hadn't deleted that timeline, every mortal being in universe would've eventually been destroyed anyway.
They used a deus ex machina button and it was actually a monkey's paw that backfired? Wow what an asspull that had no consequences- wait a minute.
@@yoursonisold8743 Sshhh don't argue with the dragon ball fandumb. First they will complain about zero stakes, goku saving the day, and everyone always being okay...
...But then here they'll whine about Goku (and pretty much everyone) losing, and everything ending with the heroes' loss in the one arc that can truly provide a sense of urgency and things at stake.
@@ShimmerScarlet It's bad because the ending of the arc made it inconsequential and no character seemed to have cared, not because it had stakes.
The Cell Saga had stakes but is still one of the most beloved arcs within the fandom
I *hate* these disingenuous arguments
@@supabutter Yeah! It's not that it's an inherently uninteresting conclusion. The writers not taking a moment to think about the impacts of the conclusion is what makes it uninteresting. Like, imagine if this led into another arc where the consequences of this have led to the team deciding to find some way to get the universe back and truly fix future trunks's timeline. Could easily end on a great, bittersweet note where the timelines to get merged, a lot of people are saved and it's for the greater good, but the team needs to say goodbye to future trunks for good, because if things are "fixed" in his timeline, that version of him never exists. (edited for phrasing)
Super Goku in a nutshell
"Hey so like ya know about that dbz abridged thing? Ya know how they made Goku more dimwitted and funny? Well let's do that, but worse!"
Ugh, I hate that so much
Actually super Goku is the same Goku from the original dragon ball.
In DBZ dubbed version they made Goku like a hero which he isn't
@@567643tome I watched Kai and surprise, he's not retarded. No one's claiming Goku's superman but he's not whatever Toei thinks he is. Hell, he's more tolerable in the Super manga
@@bipstymcbipste5641 I always liked to think that the Kai version of dbz is the canon version (Specifically for the dub) Since it's way more accurate to the original story
@@heroomori3819 Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be. Even DBZA Goku isn't as frustratingly stupid as Super's
Not only did the ending made completely no sense (personally I found it depressing for all the reasons already mentioned in the video) but we never got a chance to see Trunk's future not even a glance like it happened in DBZ. Episode 68 was a slap to the face when Beerus destroyed both the mineral that Bulma needed and the time machine to go to Trunk's future to see him again. Basically Toei animation is telling us "F you, Beerus destroyed any hope of y'all seeing Trunks again so forget about him and Mai". Is unbelievable the amount of people stating that this arc is the best arc of the Dragon Ball franchise, if it wasn't for the great animation quality during the battles I'm sure it wouldn't be praise so much as it is now. This could've been a masterpiece but they just F' it up...
This is one of those arcs that could have done amazing in a different time or with different motives. A god that becomes evil showing that they have flaws and expands on the fighting strength they have/ goku black showing off the inherent power the body of a Saiyan has allowing him to be more powerful than his immortal counter part. Trunks reuniting with vegeta. Trunks having a love interest to show he grew up. Goku demonstrating that he is serious and doing something drastic when thinking of his family getting killed. There are so Amy easy fixes and ways to tie these great possibilities together if they had simply just written the story before hand and not based it off of marketing desires etc.
The ending was really bad, doesn't everyone ending up as dead also mean that Zamasu achieved his zero mortal plan? In universe 7 atleast.
Randomized
a few corrections:
1.Theiy not dead theiy don t exist anymore zeno erased them(dead peopel go to king enma and then to hell or heaven,peopel who are erased by zeno or hakaied by a GoD simply stop existing theiy un-made so to speak).
2.Zeno did not just erase that universe but its entire timeline so that all that was left was himself. wich is why whis said that he had to find a new home for mai and trunks where all his friends are still alive and zamasu hasen t become evil yet,that new home is a new timeline where mai and trunks already exist but the ones from the maintimeline can still live in,so while Zamasu technicaly suceeded in killing of all live in a universe by virtue of zeno erasing it, al of those peopel are still alive in the new timeline future trunks and future mai now live in,so Zamasu effectivly archived nothing in the end other then his owen death by the hands of zeno sama.
LARS Liljeberg correct
@@larsliljeberg3970 dang, good points, broken english and all. Well said my friend
Randomized ....
I guess we have to find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Super
Goku destroyed all mortals. Just not the Goku we expected to.😅
At least we got that Tea Sipping Meme out of this arc.
Yeah from the version of the arc that's a actually decent
Graalock And the whole « This pain will only make me stronger » quote that Goku Black said.
" *Subarashi* "
I'm sipping tea in yo hood
Your reviews on this show is EVERYTHING I needed to hear. Thank you for voicing our frustrations while being so understanding to the animators! I really appreciate you putting the blame on Toei and their marketing obsession
I feel that instead of the whole “rage” thing (that doesn’t make sense) trunks received, it would’ve made a lot more sense if the others gave him super sayian god.
He’d have trouble reaching that power again, but at that moment where the “rage” transformation originally happened, it would’ve been PERFECT if trunks achieved god again then, and the transformation would’ve been much more epic.
I respect your opinion, but if you ask me, I think he should get super Saiyan 3. It makes sense because goku showed it to him and it would fit much better when he gets angry because without training he would need to perform the ritual and while that is totally possible, it doesn’t feel as satisfying as seeing him get pushed over the edge. But with ssj god he would have a much easier time fighting
Matthew Carroll that does make a ton of sense actually, I didn’t think of that.
@@workuc5595 Yeah, SSJ3 is something 2 kids casually learned in an afternoon, so Future Trunks would have that down easy... And best of all, that means more products to market.
Either way it would be cool, but yeah I do feel that Super Saiyan 3 would fit better with the rage boost idea.
Or maybe establish that zenkai boosts are still a thing, I always thought thats what was happening, but the anime never just says that outright.
Y’know, Dragon Ball’s symbolism is off the charts. I mean, having the evil version of the main character wear BLACK clothes is pure genius. Wow.
Is that sarcasm?
@@peachywe4310 absolutely
like how is just wearing black good symbolism for being evil? 😒
@@shade08538 I had a feel long. No way he was being serious. However you never know on the internet
@@shade08538 then what should have they done
I get its sarcasm but do you really think there was supposed to be some symbolism here? Pretty sure they (the future Z fighters) just named him that because of his clothing choice. What else would they have called him? Lmao.
I'm SO glad you included the "this man isn't Black!" scene. Priceless.
I lost an afternoon one day watching black DB fans reacting to that dubbed scene for the first time. I recommend that experience to everyone.
I like how the anime explores the setting and the characters, but I like how the manga explains the mechanics behind what's happening
The first part of this arc was so goddamn powerful and I absolutely loved it. Goku Black was intimidating as fuck and it was amazing. And while i still really like this Arc, it really dropped the ball towards the end. I like the idea of an ending where the heroes win but lose but yeah you need a good reason for that to happen.
"He claims this will fix all the timeline"
Plague of gripes would like to have a conversation.
He would if he wasng silenced for telling the truff
@@SaintMaxxi what truth was he telling?
@@arhangeo that the timeline explanation in Super is bull. If you think about it like Mark mentioned there would be no conflict as the timeline would not exist. The video has been taken down.
@@deet917 wait what was the name of the video? i didn't even know about this
@@SaintMaxxi Found it!
czcams.com/video/AKESIqnsC2U/video.html
IMO they should have inserted Future Trunks into the main timeline permanently instead of putting Trunks into some random ass timeline.
Epsilonsama
At least that's an effect that made the arc relevant but stills sucks
I like the visual imagery of Zamasu essentially turning into Giygas from Earthbound, but unfortunately cool imagery alone cannot save such a shitty ending.
The author was like: " I'm lacking ideas for an arc so I'm gonna rip off that one Sonic game and change some tiny details so that it doesn't make it so obvious"
sonic: rips off super saiyan
that one author: *right back at ya buckaroo*
Goku can't become super Saiyan until he collects all 7 dragon balls, and then jumps in the air after collecting 50 rings
@@brovid-19 you mean time rings
@@El_Mince OOOOOOOHHHHH!!!!
nice
@@slade9558 the first half was baby vegeta, the second half became the Gogeta vs Omega Shenron fight.
I'd love to see a "re-write" of this arc like your Majin Buu video. Anybody else?
Actually Challenger that’s actually a really good idea. Similar to the Buu Arcs, this has good concepts, but was trash at executing a lot of them. Get this comment upvoted!
How about extending the fight between the fusions, using moves from the manga?
Father and son Garlick Ho struggling better against Zamasu's holy wrath and full power kamehameha finalizing the first "hit very hard" on fused Zamasu.
Goku and Vegeta fusing before eat the senzu bean and the last one being used by Goku to perform the Genki Dama. The "never kiss" gets a hakai, so as the "better friend promise" (It's kinda useless, even being cute and make me less mad with the final).
All things forgotten by Goku would be remebered, however, Goku stills leaves the seal, but in the time machine, so Bulma have to recover while Trunks and Mai are dealing with Zamasu, but she doesn't make it fast enough and this is how the trap fails.
After Trunks defeat Zamasu using the Genki Dama (because Zamasu can defend himself from that) as a sword, instead of Infinite Zamasu, the imortal part begins to recover AND THEN they can use Mafuba properly, with Goku leaving the pot in the Mount Paozu house or New Namek (maybe this one isn't a good idea because of Moro)
Trunks and Mai (optional) only returns to leave the present crew, the ending scene still remains, it's nice and I like how present Gohan reminds future Gohan in Trunks eyes.
Also, those "trying be badass" interactions between kid Trunks and Mai? HAKAI
@@zerostars7499 Thank you! And I really agree, good ideas but poor execution. For example I actually really like Trunks's spirit sword thing and him being the one to finish off Zamasu, so why not have hints of him learning the Spirit Bomb when he's training with Goku and Vegeta the first time?
@@sandstorm2384 Those are actually great ideas. In particular I feel like instead of forgetting the senzu and the seal, why not just have the seal not be strong enough? Zamasu is a god, he can probably bust outta that no worries
You'd have to rewrite the arcs before it first.
I freely admit, I turned off my brain and thoroughly enjoyed this arc.
@QUEENDOM I had to in the Buu saga.
OmegaTou At least you admit that. Props. I can't say the same for many others.
jp3813 if only it worked in the super buu arc
@QUEENDOM Then you're not watching Dragon Ball correctly lmao.
@QUEENDOM sure... Lmao
It’s great to see these up again
A lot of the problems with power scaling in this arc could have been so easily solved by them just doing the Super Saiyan God ritual on Trunks and having Vegeto be the one to damage Fused Zamasu for the first time instead of just showing up and doing nothing.
don't you have to be a full saiyan to be ssjg?
@@craigime I mean, the other saiyans in the ritual providing the “essence” for the ritual can be as diluted as unborn quarter saiyans. Since the “5 saiyans” clause is loose enough to allow quarter Saiyans, it’s no stretch to say that the other saiyan designated in the ritual has to be full blood either.
@@phoebusapollo8365 you're right
*_You know what I‘ve always found hilarious about this arc?_*
Remember that alternate timeline that was identical to Future Trunk’s except that imperfect cell killed him and escaped to the main timeline? You know, that timeline with no dragon balls to bring Trunks back, where he never even met Mai?
Yeah, that would have been the PERFECT timeline to send Trunks and Mai to at the end of the arc. But Whiss said “fuck that shit, I found this really cool _identical_ timeline that somehow exists now. Goodbye forever!”
The wasted opportunity there AFTER making a smart callback to the Cell saga made me want to strangle the writer.
I get your opinion but why? Isn't a similar universe more favorable than the one in the past of the future?
They would have to put stuff like "Mom I am back" scene after so many years, or maybe Buu revived fully in that timeline and destroyed the planet, so a more identical universe is always the best choice.
Hulls Colby I’m sorry, are you telling me introducing himself to HIMSELF _AND_ HIS MOTHER is somehow LESS awkward than just introducing himself to his mother again? And you’re telling me after already defeating Buu, an EVEN MORE powerful Trunks would somehow have trouble this time around? No. There is nothing to lose by going back to that timeline. It’s essentially the exact same setting with one less Trunks in it, therefore nothing you mentioned would be any more or less of a problem.
@@purpleemerald5299 No one said that Buu is eliminated on the timeline where Cell killed Trunks.
Hulls Colby I know, I never said he was. What I said was OUR future trunks has no reason to struggle with Buu in that timeline since he’s even stronger than when he beat Buu in his own timeline.
This would have actually been great as in this timeline the orginal timeline everyone of the hero's and Villian's are died. Meaning there's no one to defend earth and with Trunks there the original timeline would have a new defender and the orginal timeline and Future Trunks would have a happy ending.
It’s impossible to have a Goku Black video without the Black Y’all song.
It's true, it's the only way I can have a Goku Black.
If that song would’ve played throughout the arc all sins would be forgiven and the arc would be a 10/10
lmao
Hah! nice
In my opinion the weirdest thing about the decisions to give Trunks "rage mode" was that everything was up to the writers. If they wanted to make trunks stronger then all they had to do was do it and say "he trained". They could've made him as strong as SSJ3 due to some kind of perfected ssj2 if they wanted.
And if they wanted him to get stronger during the arc they already had SSJ God sitting there. They had enough saiyans and knew the ritual. It wouldn't have been anywhere as weird as what they ended up going with. And they could still sell buttloads of ssjgod trunks figs.
Great points. All these concepts they created that are just SITTING there untouched, yet they go for a random asspull. And there's really no reason why none of the other Saiyans don't have SSG rn. They could literally take turns giving it to each other.
And same from the TOP, instead of just handing all the Z fighters random asspull powerups for no reason, they could have easily used an established concept like the humans learning god ki from Beerus and Whis. Like why should god ki and forms be limited to just Saiyans? They can make something for humans and Namekians.
Imo, it would’ve been really cool if Trunks served as a reminder of the sheer potential hybrids can have, either by perfecting ssj3 and stabilizing it into a usable transformation, or simply training and realizing his potential thus leading up to him having a massive amount of power in his base form, and by extension his transformative states.
They just want the main characters to have SSJ God like Vegeta and Goku. I’m happy trunks turned SSG in super dragon ball heroes
Yknow how they could’ve nerfed the ritual? Make it so only Goku actually absorbed it to make it permanent
Remember, the ritual was initially intended to temporarily give God Ki before it just disappears. Goku however through fighting Beerus learned from the experience and absorbed it permanently.
It is *not* confirmed that this is something that just, happens whenever anyone gets God Ki, especially since Beerus was so flabbergasted. It would’ve been a good explanation for why the ritual isn’t just spammed
It's 3 months late, but for anyone else wanting to make sense on the timeline:
Timeline 1: This is Future Trunk's timeline. Goku died from the heart virus, androids killed most of the Z fighters. Future Trunk travels back in time to give Goku the cure. Because of the cure, Goku lived (when he should have died), and splits into timeline 2.
Timeline 2: The timeline that DBZ follows, as well as everything that went on in the previous arcs. However, Zamasu killed Goku here by swapping body with Goku, becoming Goku Black. Goku Black then traveled to Timeline 1 using time ring, and finds the Zamasu in Timeline 1 to work together.
Because now that Goku Black is here, Future Trunks can't win, and jumped back in time to get Goku's help (in Timeline 2). Because Goku is alerted by Future Trunk, when he shouldn't be, it splits the timeline again into Timeline 3.
Timeline 3: This is what this arc is based on. Since Beerus destroyed the Zamasu in this arc, Gowasu lived, and the rest of the series is based on this timeline. In this arc, when Goku and Vegeta travels to the "future", they are actually travelling from Timeline 3 into Timeline 1.
Sadly, I don't think there is any explanation ever given on how they can just jump into different timelines.
The most notable thing about that 3-part filler arc is that Copy-Vegeta was voiced by the Dub actor that isn't Sabat and was the one who did the classic Over 9000 line that was meme'd to death.
Copy-Vegeta was awesome for that particular nostalgia factor.
Im Suprised He Still Knew How To Fo The Voice
I knew I hated the end of that arc, but wow I never realized how messy it was as a whole. Ugh.
Facts I never knew how good but not that good the arc was 🤦🏾♂️
I knew it wasn't good, I hated this arc, Goku Black had the biggest asspulls I've seen for a villain yet everyone will eat that shit up cause "Ah it's evil Goku, he's so cool Oh my god!", stuff like this makes really question the Dragon Ball fanbase.
Manga honestly did a better job powerscaling wise.
This perfectly sums up my feelings on this arc. Cool mystery and storytelling at the beginning, still (somehow) really enjoyable, yet sabotaged by horrible plot contrivances and tropes. It was still a fun arc and the potential was MASSIVE, but man they butchered so much of this by the end. It's actually frustrating how many bad decisions they made.
- One too many trips to the past
- Absolutely convoluted time travel explanations - why didn't they just have Trunks be the one who changed history? Implying that Beerus is the one who changed everything creates a dozen unnecessary paradoxes. For instance, it's never explained how the Zamasu who became Goku Black ever made it through his timeline WITHOUT being killed by Beerus if his history was basically the same as the one we see play out.
- Countless times Goku, Trunks and Goku Black got way stronger simply because they wanted to. You can have characters get "rage boosts", but you have to use that plot device sparingly. What ends up happening is that any sense of power scaling is no longer grounded. You lose feeling on who is the strongest because any one character could just "decide" to become the strongest for no real reason.
- Goku forgetting something was already a dumb plot device, but doing it TWICE?
- Characters just learning new forms and techniques out of nowhere is also a ridiculous trope that needs to be used sparingly but wasn't...
- WHY oh WHY did they not just have Trunks use his spirit sword to cut off Zamasu's time ring? Beerus said that he should have theoretically erased Goku Black's history and therefor Goku Black should have ceased to exist but was protected by the time ring.... Removing the time ring from his hand would have been a perfect way to defeat an immortal enemy without this convoluted "Zamasu fuses with the universe" ending. You also don't have Trunks magically become all-powerful after absorbing energy from like 50 humans that way.
- Literal deus ex machina ending with Zeno coming down and erasing everything... Enough said.
- I don't mind that the heroes didn't WIN for once - but the consolation prize of having Trunks live with a duplicate of himself is just a god awful ending.
There were about a thousand simple choices they could have made to clean up this entire arc. It's baffling.
The fact that there are TWO future Trunks's now *kills me*
Actually there might be at least four of them. There's Future Trunks, the Future Trunks he goes to live with, Xeno trunks has at least been implied to be a different version than FT (or perhaps he's supposed to be the Z Future Trunks? I dunno...) and then there's the Future trunks who was killed by Cell. 0__o
@@roberthayes9314 LOL cant forget GT trunks 🤣
Trunks: hold your fire ! This man ISNT black
Solder: *w u t*
Greatest “BRUH moment” in anime lol
Best sean to take out of context
Juan Meza I can’t believe the dub team thought “yeah this is good”
Bro I forgot that line was in this arc, I'm dying laughing right now.
american conglomerate dub...
nothing wrong here
*Sees Goku Black's ki-blade become a scythe*
In my head: "THIS PAIN WILL MAKE ME STRONGER!"
Boomer I HOPE YOUR READY
Is it me or at the end of his level 3 does he say "sucka"?
16:08 "TASTE MY BLADE!"
@@mikeferrer2342 in my game, he always misses
"BEHOLD THE POWER OF A GOD"
I’m glad this series has been reinstated😭
13:18:"Could you imagine the Goku who prepared for the Androids making this mistake..." The nigga didn't even take his heart medicine lmao.
Not to mention goku give perfect cell a senzu bean too
Goku couldn't take the medicine until he started showing signs, otherwise the medicine wouldn't have had any effect on a, at the time, healthy Goku
@The Great Fusili
I was fine before I read this comment, because as a result when I got that far in the video, my reaction was:"yes. Yes I can. Because forgot to take his heart medicine as a precaution AND GOT SICK AS A RESULT!!!"
But that was due to Goku thinking everything was fine. He would never EVER forget the senzu beans before a fight like what Zamasu and Black put him through.
I think you're remembering the Abridged series, where Trunks tells Goku to take the pills regularly or he gets cardiovascular disease. In the original series Goku gets a "heart virus", the medicine isn't a preventive drug but rather a cure for the virus, so Goku logically couldn't have taken it before he got it
@@exantiuse497 and every twat who bitches about this forgets that the virus was A WHOLE YEAR LATE! Trunks told him he'd die long before the androids show up but he lived to day Gero showed up. That's a pretty important thing to forget
I thought the Trunks/Gohan ice cream was actually touching. Trunks came to terms with the timeline differences as they relate to Gohan. Future Gohan was a wounded, battle-hardened mentor figure who died and gave Trunks all of his initial strength, while the main story's Gohan had the privilege of saving his world from the Androids/Cell. Trunks is almost endearingly disappointed in a strange ambivalent way because of this. Interesting dynamic in my opinion.
Yeah, I don't get why he has a problem with that episode. It serves to contrast Trunks timeline with the regular one, has him come to terms with how different environments led to people becoming different and that is not a bad a thing.
Also the part where he imagines what a peaceful world where he can just enjoy a dinner with his mom and Mai is just heartbreaking.
This entire arc is basically "being Future Trunks is suffering" and this episode encapsulates that perfectly.
He long since had time to come to terms with the 2 Gohans being different. However, I'm surprised Trunks isn't more disappointed in Gohan, since that dude became strong and squandered it.
@@InfernosReaper Because Gohan has a normal life that he didn't get to live in future trunks timeline . Trunks most probably feels happy for him .
@@InfernosReaper Trunks is happy cause gohan isn’t forced to fight and train like future gohan, both gohan’s never liked fighting they only fought to protect so seeing a peaceful gohan that doesn’t have to fight is nice, a type of life trunks always wanted, even for his late master
@@dolphwang5063 " they only fought to protect"
Hard to do that when you slack off on training and hope someone else will save you. How many times does Gohan need to be taught that he needs to be ready for when someone else isn't around to bail him out?
Zamasu's tea clearing up when his resolve to eradicate mortals is solidifed was such a great detail.
Future trunks is one of my favorite characters in DBZ and the ending to this arc pained me, like if they were just gonna destroy everything in the future regardless why not keep trunks in the present give him time to morn and vow to be better, then we could've had him in future arcs with the rest of the cast instead now hes forever banished to random side shows and video games. I do agree with pretty much all you've said though and I do wish the arc overall was handled better but man I just wanted trunks in the tournament of power ;-;
Idk how Toriyama didnt think it was a good idea to keep him in the past, have him participate in the TOP and get his timeline restored by Zeno when Universe 7 wins....smh
Man I never realized how badly they Flanderized Goku in Super. In Z he was thoughtless at times but not nearly this stupid.
Sean Schemmel screaming in the dub when goku finds out his family died is one if my favorite moments of voice acting ever.
To be fair, while it doesn't make sense that Trunks can 1v1 Goku Black, it does make sense for Zamasu:
It was never established that Zamasu was at the same level as SSJ Blue or even SSJ God, quite the opposite. When Goku do a sparing match against him, he just need to use SSJ2 to completely dominate him, hence why Zamasu wish to be immortal, but not Goku Black.
This would also explain why Fused Zamasu is weaker/barely more powerfull, as Goku clearly said in the Buu saga, that using his Potaras to fuse with someone like Satan, would make him weaker than he already is, before the fusion.
Edit: I know about the Vegito fight guys, my point was that Zamasu's Immortality allow him to survive any blows and injuries he takes. No matter how outmatched he is. This applies to Fused Zamasu too (Probably ? idk, i'm not defending Black's arc plot as a whole, it really makes no sense).
In fairness I don't think that's how that works, since Mr Satan is a fly compared to Goku at that point, where as Zamasu is a competent God Ki wielding Master Martial Artist! I just chock it up to Zamasu as clearly shown, degrading over time as he let his guard down with each hit, having compromised healing fusing with a mortal, and being a psychological wreck! But even if I can handwave the Father-Son Galick Gun as a cool move, on the logic that Zamasu was using a fraction of his power and toying with them, the 2nd beam struggle with Goku shouldn't have happened! Not at least without establishing that Zamasu was in shock and weakened from taking his own blast, and not without Goku at least doing something crazy like verbally screaming out a Kaioken x20!
Greenjey
Again, huge plot hole there. Vegeta was stomping black when they returned from the hyperbolic time chamber. If fused Zamasu was even weaker than Black, then there’s no way he could have taken on both Goku and Vegeta at the same time. And don’t even get me started on Vegito.
The problem is that Trunks was fighting both Goku Black and Zamasu and still keeping up, and if Fused Zamasu is weaker (or only a bit stronger) than SSR Goku Black, then why he was keeping up against Vegito in super saiyan blue??
Im don't dislike the series or the characters (I love Goku Black) but it is a fact that the absurd power levels that Super has is one of his main problems
It making sense for Zamasu doesnt save the TRunks vs Black being stupid still. The scale of nonsense is tipped HEAVILY in the Trunks vs Black nonsense favor by a large sum. And this is before the rage boost.
Future zamasu was atleast Ssb level u genius
Due to his immortality he couldn't gain zenkai boost lile black and the other saiyans throughout the arc but he was still able hold his own or tag them even though he was continuesly letting his guard down. Fused Zamasu combines both aspects of black and zamasu, since he is immortal and has the infinite ability to increase in strength plus the fact that he is a true deity which makes his potential higher than any other saiyan
You know what could have saved the trunks spirit bomb? "when i trained to fight buu. . .king kai/shin also taught me the spirit bomb"
Yep one little line would fix quite a bit
Mark: mai having a thing with trunks is weird.
Me: (furiously slaps table) HERESY DETECTED.
Mai is literally older than Trunks’ mom
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 in mind but not body
@@K-Stac It's still weird. Mai was an adult when Goku was a teen, so she is literally around 70-80 years old.
@@jantheking7028 but if she wished to be younger would that be tweird. If you wish to be younger let's say 5 years younger than now lets also say 25.would you tell people that you are 20 or 25. I feel if she acted more mature like more more mature than it would be weird when she is a "kid"
@@Sonic101hedgehog she still has the experience of a mature woman, and Trunks is a teen. Still creepy
The only thing notable from the filler at the beginning was that it had Funimation Dub Vegeta vs Ocean Dub Vegeta
Yeah, brought back a major blast of nostalgia for me hearing Ocean Vegeta.
My favorite part of this arc is when Piccolo reminds everyone about the Mafuba technique. It's a really in character moment and the flashback shown is fire (specially because it references a saga whose content is much more interesting than what's actually happening)!
The Goku Black arc was definitely a fan service arc because like you said, in the end, the whole arc was essentially pointless because the whole timeline was erased from existence 😂
I have watched almost every one of your videos in the last two weeks and THIS ONE KISSING GAG was the bit that made me laugh hysterically out loud and subscribe. Thank you for doing this for us.
"I'm kissing goku black because I have to" Amazing. So who's coercing you? Certainly not me... with this gun... aimed at your head...
Man they really did Future Trunks so dirty in this ark
the vegito earrings are a plot hole to 3 things that do happen in super. So new rule is supposed to be: A fusion of non-kaioshins lasts 1 hour.
1- in the BoG arc, Whis says super saiyan god is the equivalent of a kaioshin, therefore, the fusion should be eternal, the non-kaioshin part doesn't matter
2- Gowasu before jumping to the future of the Babari race tells Zamasu that wearing the earrings promotes you to a kaioshin anyway, so again, doesn't matter
3- the ENTIRE POINT of whis' training in FnF (that weird hyperbolic time chambery dimension) was to not let ssj blue have ki seep out, mirroring the cell saga with ssj and thus making it as if it's their normal form. Therefore, there shouldn't have been ANY reduction to vegito's time limit
4- bonus 1: Fused Zamasu is part mortal, so he should probably defuse too?
5- bonus 2: It makes absolutely 0 sense whatsoever that old kai wouldn't have known about this
6- bonus 3: When Kefla is defeated in ToP, it's HEAVILY implied that they defuse because the earrings were destroyed, thus making the entire thing pointless yet again, because it could've just been that all along and Zamasu could know this, focus on destroying vegito's earrings and foil their plans in a natural, believable way.
in short, that decision even if you can somehow mental gymnastic your way around it is completely nonsensical and dumb. Especially considering vegito does absolutely nothing to drive the plot forward, he just has a cool fight scene and defuses. The arc would've been the exact same without that part of the episode.
Conclusion: vegito was purely there for merchendise and hype, is at worst a combo of 3 plot holes and at best a monumentally retarded choice that actively hurts the arc. It's inexcusable
"purely there for merchandise and hype"
even tho i enjoyed Super, that's an accurate description. I like some of the elements that Toriyama came up with, but the writers at Toei did stuff with the franchise you simply just can't revert anymore. My 12 year old little brother did mental gymnastics during the Black arc and TOP, and could not make ANY sense of most things that happened on screen. (we watched DB > DBZ > DBS). he even got irritated with some of the exposition episodes during the Black arc, about timelines and time travel nonsense, we both just had a mindfuck and it was so annoying. because at the end it didn't make any sense! add all of your points to it, and you have terrible excecution: the show.
This could be one of the funniest videos you have ever done. I stll love this arc but watching you rip this arc to shredds is so fun
24:24 Ayyyyyyyyy
Nice xD
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Imagine if Zamasu took over Gohan's body, that would be way more emotional watching Trunks' greatest challenge be the same man who trained him and whose death he avenged.
Shame that Toriyama didn't think of it which would require to focus on a character for more than 5 seconds that isn't Goku or Vegeta.
@@stefanradebach2889 It's a shame that we will never get to see Gohan and Future Gohan meet (Also it's really stupid that Future Trunks never went to new namek and revived everyone in his timeline)
DevDog Productions tbh though the explanation for why would be too much effort for modern Toriyama/Toei. They’re genuinely lazy
@@jinxluvver3909 I know, and I wouldn't be surprised if people think that laziness is why Gohan got nerfed to the point where he can barely go super saiyan, Goku is even more of a moron then he was, Future Trunks got screwed over at the end of the Goku Black Arc and why it's basically The Goku and Vegeta Show.
Imagine if Gohan went to the future accidentally now that would have been an awesome arc I bet geets would be proud of Gohan
That laugh sy the beginning set the tone of the video for me, it's just so genuine
Those funny soundtracks when he mentions Goku always cracks me up
15:02
Just as reminder, Goku read erotic novels every day as part of Roshi's training
Yea in my mind stupid Goku is not cannon
@@Zimran03 Super isn't cannon to me. I still watch it though but DB ended with Vol.42
@@Konsti1905 yup, I also see it like that, it's like the last season of game of thrones, it doesn't exist
@@Alexis_Customs what last season?
@@Alexis_Customs common even though there was some few problems with the Stannis arc ending, sansa being sold off to Ramsey and the dorne arc the last season of game of thrones good just wish they continued it on from Jon's death
"Vegetto's supposed to wear a combination of clothes"
It's really amusing how that works, considering all Vegettos so far have worn Goku's top clothing and Vegeta's "underwear" suit only being used on their *specifically made for marketing* one, minus the one using DBSuper stuff. And then there's Kefla.
Vegito*
@@driplegacy5338 Nah OP is right as well. that's how it is spelled out with Japanese characters in English spelling.
@@SrMissileMonkey That's crazy.
TomaHawk PWPT why do some games and stuff spell it as “vegito”?
@@SpoonyBard-mx1ve easier to spell in English.
That first episode of the black arc was so good. Especically the japanese. The way black says "today's the day you'll breathe your final breath saiyan" in japanese is so chilling
Zamasu:*sees two rock guys fighting*
Also Zamasu: “yup mortals have to go”
I still wish Trunks stayed in the regular timeline so that way he could’ve been apart of the TOP. Would’ve gave the whole universe dying an actual purpose.
It still kinda does in a "I'm still not sure if it's actually canon" sort of way.
It can be kinda implied that it was after this in the new universe he was sent to, that Trunks meet the Supreme Kai of Time. It however doesn't explain what happens to Mai....so I don't know. I'll admit I'm grasping at straws here.
@Blizzard Flame Because it actually gives a reason for the arc to exist: Trunks in the Tournament. Its kinda the same deal with the ToP validating RoF.
@Blizzard Flame it would give the writers a plausible excuse why they allowed Trunks timeline to be erased. So that he had no other choice but to remain in the present and help save the Z Fighters' universe since he failed to save his own. It's like, "we really want Trunks to be in the ToP but in a way that makes sense. Oh why not have his future completely gone!" Instead of sending him to another timeline, which just makes the entire goku black arc seem pointless
Better option imo. Send Trunks and Mai to the timeline Cell came from, since presumably that timeline had no Buu or Goku Black, it lacks a Trunks, and Bulma is still alive. They could even give some explanation for there not being a Mai in that timeline, or have the one from Trunks timeline die at some point.
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Characters that existed will still exist in that timeline. He'll have to once again kill Babadi and Dabura since that time's Trunks was unable to but since Goku Black was already outside that timeline from the get go.....he won't have to worry about that again.
Mai would naturally exist in that timeline but it would be a simple matter to either kill her off (as one of the off-screen victims to Cell prior to him killing Trunks) or since Goku Black incident will never happen make it so that the two Mai never meet.
Other than those, that suggestion works great. Personally though, the two deserve a timeline that's not coming back from the brink of destruction....just not the way the anime went about it.
The ending was truly awful, but what really got me is had they thought about it there's already a timeline where Trunks doesn't exist. The timeline where Cell killed him. Presumably Buu would still be dormant but that would be easily resolved, and both Trunks and that timeline's Bulma would be able to be reunited with a version of each other. Mai might still exist but it's still a hell of a lot better than what they went with.
Yeah, there's no Androids in that timeline due to the remote and Cell fucked off as well. Would've been the easiest spot to insert them. You could just handwave some bullshit about Mai conveniently also dying in that timeline.
@@PrinceVegita1 the time machines have preset coordinates yes, but the time machine used in this arc by the gang to get to FT's timeline IS the one Cell used, so they could have easily made it save that relative timeline as a go to at the end
well, they have the exact same machine that came from that timeline that they were using in this arc. they could use that.
@@PrinceVegita1 the arc makes no sense 🤪
Honestly, that would have been so much better. Just have Whis offhandedly say that the Mai of that timeline was a casualty of the androids or Cell and you can even avoid the two Mais thing and it would be fine. You can even, if you really want to, have Trunks then face off against that universe's version of Zamasu like he did with his androids.
Also, a bit of parallel here, Goku’s shadowy figure at the beginning of the episode is pretty similar to the silhouettes of the androids shown when Trunks explains the androids to Goku, slitted eyes, shapeless bulky figures.
As someone who stopped watching DBZ somewhere in the middle of the Buu saga, but subscribes to this channel because I really enjoy the sound of Totally Not Mark's voice, after watching these Series review videos for both GT and Super, I feel confident to declare that GT > Super. No idea if Mark actually feels that way, but if I was locked in a room with nothing to watch but both of these series, based entirely on the content of these review videos, I think I'd probably enjoy GT more.
If you think that, you’ve clearly never watched GT