SimCity, The MAX TAX City...
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- SimCity 4, The MAX TAX City Experiment...
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0:00 Intro
0:32 City 1
3:10 City 2
4:50 Search for the Ideal Tax
5:55 Sims Move In
6:30 Industrial Money Strategy
7:50 40 Million Simoleons
8:15 City 3
9:30 A City for the Rich
10:50 Maximizing the Tax - Hry
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"The desire to emigrate is so strong that people simply phase through walls, reinforcing the theory that even lower on Maslow's hierachy of needs, is the physiological requirement for a human being to evade taxation."
Simply incredible
Hey hey people
Ancient Eqyptian was right
Only thing left were hacking wild animals
@@traineebotilluminaty save them😂😂
> high taxes
> high employment
> zero local residents
> everyone either commutes from outside the sector via public transport or works remotely
> zero advanced municipal services
> surprisingly happy business advisors
Congratulations, you just created a Dutch business park.
Or the Reedy Creek Improvement District (the area Disney World occupies).
I love like, when there are literally zero houses, ALL people working in the public stuff, including your advisors, are either commuting from somewhere else or smart-working.
Also including him. The population is 0, even the mayor refuses to live there.
Government officials are property, not people
Well yeah. Sims would drive out of town to work, it's pretty neat
Not even _they_ want to pay taxes
This is part of the plot of True Detective Season 2. Some town in California lowers it's industrial regulations so low that a bunch of factories move in, like 2/3s of their workers have to be bussed in cuz nobody wants to live in that polluted shithole.
Your advisors were happy because with no town they were getting paid to do nothing all day. The dream position of any government employee.
i think that's already their job description
I feel like this is what the politicians in California are trying to accomplish lol
@@johng3029 Luring in the people with high paying jobs (tech) and then doubling taxes. This is definitely California
@rando5673 yeah I had that thought throughout the entire video haha
the average position, really
Not calling it 'Taximum City' was a missed opportunity
'Slow Clap'
Makes it sound closer to Minimum then Maximum.
Taximum Overdrive!
Maximus Taximus
@@Cryten0 No, it doesn't.
*Run for Senator* is an incredible end to a bankrupt city, I can't believe I never noticed they or completely forgot about it
Wouldn't surprise me if this was a running gag in the series based on an actual story. Similar to the Dan Quayle gag in each Civ game.
The John Fetterman method
Ah yes Sim City 4, the greatest of all economic simulators.
Insanely realistic.
Meanwhile France: 60% tax and infinite demand
Considering this same guy did 0% taxes on another game over and over and called each save file failed libertarianism. Yeah I wonder how much stock he puts into thinking these games are accurate.
Good meme though.
isnt this basically china tho
@@JMcIntosh1butthurt libertarian spotted
That ending was probably one of the most realistic endings from your videos yet.
I remember playing this game as a kid, asking my parents whats a normal tax rate, and then not understanding why I can't put it at 30% and just set it to 20%. Scandinavia lol
Strangely enough, cities skylines, which is produced by he Swedish dev paradox, still has this problem with 13% tax basically being the limit people will accept long term.
@@pyrothelostone Again, cities and state taxes are different. What is the tax you pay *to your local municipality* in Sweden? I'm guessing it is not as high as the tax you pay to the Swedish state itself.
@@connor3284The municipality in Nordic countries do not pay for higher education or healthcare. If they did, municipal taxes would be higher.
@@connor3284 most countries don't require you to pay taxes to your municipality or do it very differently. In the UK, you either pay it to your city or county council, but that's a fixed amount based on how your property would've been valued in 1992. And even then, you get a discount if you only have one adult in your household.
Even then, it doesn't pay for education or healthcare, it's for the local roads, rubbish collection, and public transport.
@@connor3284 The municipality tax for where I live in Sweden is currently a little bit over 21%.
AA unintentionally revealing the back box of the game’s economic system and the assumption of the designers. Fascinating.
Considering that Maxis developed Sims 4 and their headquarters were in California. This is definitely the neo liberal model of economy. "Tax the poor because they can't move" and "don't tax the rich because they'll leave"
@@zirconiumaloe BUT are they wrong?
@@zirconiumaloeI live on the west coast and that's literally what's happening, the city I live in has a 32% tax rate and the majority are too poor to leave. They pretend they're trying to help us by giving free busses right in the capital and giving out free needles to the druggies. Most of the richest ppl in my state live in the smallest towns on county boarders, or just straight up on the islands bc that's better than being in town where everything costs so much.
@@sploompdoomper The dems voted for that
You get what you asked for
And the rich will leave if you tax them too much, considering its cheaper to just move to a place with lower taxes
@@azmanabdula lol thats just straight up wrong. Democrats or Republicans can not run cities any better than each other. Do you think San Francisco is bad because they have social services and accept gay people. I think it's bad because it has neoliberal economic policies and don't keep rich people responsible
If ambiguous was a book, it would be A Modest Proposal.
That's a great essay haha
@@ambiguousamphibiangimme a kiss 💋
You are what you eat.
""The rich don't pay taxes"
Simcity 4 is definitely the most accurate simulation out there.
but they do, or was that the joke?
@@azmanabdulaLol 0.1% doesn't count
@@azmanabdula they do not
@@Azarthes In reality they pay a significant amount of taxes
BHP for example was forced to pay 7,3 billion last year
1 percent of 10 billion is a lot more than 50 percent of your (assuming) less than 100 grand paycheck ?
@@azmanabdula wrong.
Moral of the story.
When the city turns shitty, the rich people move away, and the poor people live with it till they die early.
You should have removed outside connections, so that rich wouldn't be able to leave.
One of SsethTzeentach's videos say that the bottom of Maslow's hierarchy of needs is the innate need to evade taxation. So it wouldn't work based on this joke.
An Iron Curtain of sorts, then? lol
@@RooseveltGuilherme What is an anthill to a man, but a bump in the dirt? What is a man to a world leader, but a number on a sheet? To answer your question, you must ask yourself; What is a Curtain of Iron to something capable of phasing through reality itself?
@@Skyte100 .phasing through walls to evade taxes
Or space instead of walls.
Living in Nordics I always found it so strange that the max tax was 20% in SimCity. I don't think I've ever had that low taxes lol
Especially since these taxes pay for all the government programs such as power, water, education, healthcare, etc. Many of which municipal or property taxes do not pay for irl.
Wow, it's almost like taxation is theft and the reason governments make them so high is because of poor financial management and embezzling *cough* -i mean, yeah man that's crazy
@@eliaspanayi3465 nah, taxes are great.
@@gawwad4073 ok fed
@@eliaspanayi3465 Don't project the failings of your own third world country onto our successful developed country.
Taxes here in the Nordics are low (I pay about 29%) and the government uses it to serve the people.
Taxation is not a necessary evil, it is a necessary good, that helps fund our wonderful welfare state and the services and protection that it provides.
Imagine living in a city where 20% tax rate is considered far too high
Keyword city. You're still paying federal and state/provincial taxes on top of that. A city with a 20% property/municipal tax would be insanity. Average property tax rates are around 1% for North America. Highest is around 2% in Illinois, NJ and Texas. And the lowest is oddly enough Vancouver at 0.2%.
@@Arkiasis
You can thank the Chinese for Vancouver.
@@Arkiasis Probably because it's 0.2% of a $3,000,000 valuation for a shit shack
@@ArkiasisDo property taxes pay for universities?
@@ArkiasisWhere I live in Sweden, the city tax is about 33%…
me, from england, seeing you start at 20% tax - "but that's...... the normal amount of tax"
That is the city tax
That does not factor in other taxes
This is just the city tax, so a more accurate comparison would be to your council tax.
@@connor3284The council does not build hospitals like you do in this game
@@PlayerSlotAvailable they also don't really fund schools any more since the Tories have incentivised a lot of schools to go from Local Educational Authority schools to academies. So it really is ridiculously low.
"If you build just a giant sweatshop and fill the whole land with factories... that's fine."
Congratulations! You got the factory worlds from Warhammer 40K!
This is good, max taxes in-game are 20%, and the game decides that it is not worth living there xD And here in Croatia, taxes are 25%. My brain has a hard time processing this information
You would have to keep in mind this would also be a city tax, so a citizen would likely have to pay a state/province tax and a national tax.
That's just money going to the goverment. If this city was in Croatia you eould be taxed 45%. Or close to Finland tax
Simple answer: Croatia isn’t real. Don’t worry, you’ll come to your senses eventually Mx. “Croatian”
/j
@@TheSpoonyCroyThats maybe how taxes work in the US but the large majority of my just under 30% taxes go to my city/commune/region.
/Swede
Well the rich would just use loopholes. If Elon musk was forced to pay 20% he would leave the world if he had to
I didn't even know these metrics existed in SimCity. I got this game in a cereal box as a child. I never once ran a successful city
I wonder what would happen if you start with max tax in an empty region. Because the cities do interact so if they can move to a city with with lower taxes.
Well, then we'd have to ask what the point of currency is. It's to easier facilitate trade, so, as long as you have natural resources to exploit, you can tax as much you want, provided your slaves are not dead and can work the next day. Therefore, if there are 10 apples, and you can print currency, you can call it 20%, or 200,000%, it'll still be the same amount of apples at the end of the day.
You give the simulation too much credit, citizens don't move anywhere in SC4, it's more like they spawn or despawn depending on how high desirability is.
So you essentially found an exploit for massive amounts of seed money?
Genius!
A bug exists where if you have a roundabout between 4 cities at the corners (ie A-B then B -C, C -D and then D returns to A)
A sim who lives in town A will commute to work, Through B, C, D, A, B, C, D...
1 car becomes '2' cars becomes '4' cars becomes '16' cars ... every time you load city A
till the road is overwhelmed.
The Sim drives forever being both the only traffic and infinite traffic.
@@elfrjz I'm pretty sure that's called an economic bubble
🎶 WE BUILT THIS CITY ON TAX & TOLLS 🎶
Man, those lucky sims....I wish we only paid 20%.
It's only a property tax (maybe), there may be other taxes that Sims pay too :)
i also wish there were no schools, hospitals, railroads or roads
Croatia 25% tax... + 25 to 40 fees.... welcome to hell
20% municipal tax, with state and federal taxes on top of that is definitly not lucky
@@zolda7179 I'm not saying taxes don't pay for all four of those things, but your point is clearly hyperbolic on its face. Maybe not the majority, but the private sector has examples of funding those four examples you gave.
You need to have a single road to legalize gambling for them to roll dice on.
There should be a killdozer event in this game.
I swear, every time I watch your philosophical videos, you make me imagine you looking like kermit with sunglasses and a hood talking to me about the meaning of life.
You can tell how unrealistic this game is when it doesn’t let you keep borrowing just by raising the debt ceiling and ignoring the consequences.
it's a city builder, not a country builder. countries can make their own money literally from nothing.
Cities cannot print money, only the federal government can.
Ah yes, Chicago Simulator.
i mean the debt ceiling isnt actually debt in the way that you or i interact with a concept. at the scale of nations the idea of borrowing and debt and stuff is so out there and abstracted that moat of the "debt" the us has is debt it owes to itself.
thats right. the us government is in debt to ITSELF by using economic theories you could not fathom
"economic" ""policy"" goes """BRRRRRRRRR"""
My Max Tax City failed because Max never moved to my city and I ran out of money.
My bad, homie.
11:29 "Moral of the story is that rich people don't pay taxes."
TRUE lol
"... reinforcing the theory that even lower on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is the physiological requirement for a human being... to evade taxation."
-Ssethtzeentach, "Pharaoh review"
The frog sounds were a great touch to illustrate your internal thought process. 10/10
Frog hive mind
Fun fact if you build a normal city & slowly raise taxes over time you can get to some pretty high numbers
"This just in, local frog recreates L.A."
This man makes short narrated films and I find this niche of his so beautiful, so serene that I can’t stop myself from clicking on his videos. The combination of his majestic and slightly erotic voice make for an epic combination as sim city 4 gameplay runs in the background. Every video feels like a storyteller telling you tales of old as you sit in his lap. Just magnificent.
People in simcity: "omfg 20% taxes, fucking outrageous"
People irl: "omfg 50% taxes, we're so blessed"
Love your ambiguously phantasmal views on intercity commerce and taxation my brudduh. Thanks for leading the way on imminetizing the eschaton.
"Hey, I've been looking for a really good job lately but I don't have a College education. Where should I go?"
"Just go to Max Tax City. I heard they don't even require you to be able to read in order to do their jobs. It's said that they even give you free hazmat suits, what with the acidic rain and the nonexistent ozone layer above it."
"Nah, that's just a rumor. They don't even have breathable air for free, you think they'd give you a whole hazmat suit?"
It's amazing how the Sims reflect reality on what happens if you put a very high tax on rich incomes.
Tfw even capitalism says the rich would rather evade taxes than pay into the society they benefit from
@@iceblaster1252 and even capitalism also says if taxes are too high the lower and middle class people wontn pay them making them into criminals whos punishment drains yet more money.
There are real life nations with upper bracket rates double the max limit in sim city 4 with rich people living in them. 20% is actually insanely low compared to some of the real developed world.
@@thezapper130 What most people don't realize is that 20 or 40% is just the minimum tax you pay. If you added up all the small tidbits like sales tax, property tax, etc., you'll be paying somewhere around the range of 60-90%.
@@housewilma4904no in capitalism they make the poor work in prisons to make it cash postivie. Prisons for profit. Good old modern day slavery 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
What is funny is that you are describing exactly industrial revolution era during your game play.
The high-tax, no-residents dirty industry city reminds me of Vernon, California, a city outside LA that has a population of 222 and is basically only oil refineries
Never been this excited for tax season before.
In this episode, AA accidentally re-creates San Francisco
It's strange how every video he does like this actually has a real life parallel lol.
Wait until you found out that taxes in the Netherlands are about 40%
As a brazilian, I'm envious of your low taxes. And I wish I was joking.
Sim City was clearly designed by a bunch of Americans!
@@HansLemurson I think you might be there on to something my friend
only 40? in my country its over 50 of my salary gone from the start, then base tax over 24% for everything + all the hidden taxes, and fuel two times more expensive because of tax, and all other form of energy 3-5 times more expensive because of tax, all thanks to the gov monopoly, if i didnt pay any taxes i would have like 10 million euros in my bank, but instead i have 12....euro
I think that's about where American taxes are at when you combine State and Federal.
Makes sense that no one would want to live in a city that taxes them 20% on top of all that.
/Edit: Nevermind, looks like the average actual tax rate is a touch under 30%, counting both federal and local taxes. My point still stands about folks not wanting half their wages to functionally go up in smoke, though, even if you assume some overlap between the actual tax rate and the 20% in Max Tax City.
I'm disappointed that you did not name the city Maximus Taximus
Oh good, a new video. I’ll be able to fall asleep quickly tonight, the cadence of his voice is so soothing
He took “tax the rich” to another level 😭😭
"No taxation without representation" says a taxion "what do you want me to im a fucking turtle" says ambiguousamfebian
Damn AA put a epilepsy warning for that ufo scene or take it out. Caught me off guard and couldn't look away fast enough.. thanks for that
The entire town needs to be fire stations to please the fire advisor
I love your devotion to SimCity 4. It's a fantastic game for engineers, urban planning, economists.
And deranged supervillans lol
Feels like putting a frog into water and gradually increasing the temperature.
I haven’t played or heard of just about every game you play on your channel. I absolutely love your content. Thanks man
Watching this while living in Germany with an average income tax from 19%.
This is fine.
im curious, do you think germany is a good place to live, i want to move there one day
@@skoovee I think it's pretty decent place, we have high taxes but a lot of Social care, free healthcare and an ok public transportation. The crime rate is pretty low. The only thing that sucks is the bureaucracy.
But I'm also curious, how is it in Australia?
I've heard a lot of crazy stuff lately.
@@Sabo-Tabby_Kitten its ok, gets hot the crime rate is ok but a lot of the attitudes towards LGBT people are getting worse and there are not all that many career opportunity's for what i want to go into. how did you know i am in australia?
@@skoovee You can see the country under the "channel info" tab.
The attitude toward LGBT people here is getting worse too (especially trans people) but it's still way better than in countries like the USA. Which is more troubling at the moment are the estimated survey values of the AFD (A fascist party) 18%
@@Sabo-Tabby_Kitten The AfD is not a fascist party. They are the only party that truly cares about Germany and wants to save it from the stealing and corrupt immigrants who are bringing in crime and poverty. The German healthcare system is also complete shit because it is free.
this video was released the second i pulled into a walmart parking lot and got ticketed for parking on striped paint.
ACAB 💕
I'm really hopeful that there's a VOD longform version of this video, cause I bet it's a fun ride. I love your shortform humor, but the minute by minute is a real trip.
3:12 going for the California strategy I see
This has to be the most realistic city he's ever made
Really nice to see you play the latest Sim City game.
AA unlocked the achievement: "Discovered capital flight"
Taxes + child support got me feeling like the government took notes from your videos
you basically created a forge-world, and it works because workers phase in from other reallities or something? xD
Abominable Intelligence.
"they'd rather live in a nuclear fallout zone or a DMZ if it meant they didn't have to pay taxes"
I mean... the game is set in the USA. what did you expect.
There’s two things we love: keeping our money and giving the finger to the government
This is no Tax Haven, this is a tax prison
When I was a kid, every time I raise tax in any Sim City game by a *little* bit, the ingame advisors/news ticker says people disliked/hated/raged about it and my anxiety puts the taxes back to the minimum.
"Taxation is theft, purely and simply even though it is theft on a grand and colossal scale which no acknowledged criminals could hope to match." - Murray Rothbard
Galt's gulch with a big box over it propped up with a stick.
The way you popped into the video at the start is absolutely glorious.
I did that once: you cant max taxes instantly, but every year you increase 0,1% in everything.
But for that yes, a rich population is required.
AA thanks for helping me win that bet by saying “exquisite watermelon”
Great video AA! Always love the Sims & SimCity videos, Also, how do you run SimCity 4? Do you have it on Windows 10/11, or an XP/vista machine?
it runs fine through Steam on Windows 10/11
It’s funny because 20% tax was considered ridiculously high back then. Now we’re paying 21% as the normal
"I don't want my tax dollars going to food stamps!"
- The rich, never paying taxes anyways
I mean, if it weren't for the EPA I think something similar to the factory sweatshop city you succeeded with would exist, albeit to a less extreme extent since people can't just be bussed in by the cityload to work every week. We'd get Fordlandia probably.
feels more likely our rail infrastructure would stop rotting, because why load people _and_ product into individual automobiles that have to share the same asphalt as outsiders not earning you money when you can just shove 'em all on the same train and be done with it?
You forget that stuff like that has definitely happened in the past.
I mean little ones still exist in the west. Some company factory complexes are big enough and dodgy enough to be old fashioned company towns. And now private rehabs are getting in on it by converting their buildings into factory lines and luring in people sent to rehab by the law courts, so they arent allowed to leave the 'rehab'
Very interesting Connecticut simulator, thank you!
I had flashbacks to cyberpunk edgerunners when I read the words "max tax"
6:51 looks like he's holding up someone else's disembodied baby arms xD
that bit where you made a utopia where no one worked using the proceeds from the factories was classic marxism, great stuff.
That was truly some from each according to his ability to each according to his need shit. Beautiful to see
Tbf that's the bright future for automation that's pretty communist. No-one works, but the government owns the businesses so can spend the profits on the people
What errands were done at a swamp?
Simply the best storyteller and game player on YT. I could listen to AA talk about the philosophical woes of gaming forever too damn long.
The fire guy was passively-aggressively dabbing at you again, but you didn't ref the old video. AA, I reckon you could have maxed out a bit harder on the Jokes in this episode. The ending was great though.
Wow, you pretty much recreated San Francisco, minus the "everyone getting smarter and smarter" bit.
God I wish I could mod that game and make it work. It needs an overhaul super mod that combines many mods and fixes.
Ngl, genious idea. I might have to steal this for my own city skylines game.
"Sniff sniff. Do you smell that Maximillian? Someone just raised the taxes by .1%"
as someone said below its the CITY TAX which means all the national taxes go ONTOP of that so it would mean like half your paycheck is taxes before any expenses.
effectivly no one wanted to live in the city because it would immiedatly make them into debt slv unable to leave.
which is sadl true in alot of big cities with horrendus tax rates like new york chicago and san fran.
it makes it impossible for lower classes to leave and incrediply painfull for middle class to leave.
Wait, this isn’t how you’re supposed to play this game? Make massive profits and then bulldoze the whole city when you’re rich and build the one you actually want?
Play simcity4 again! But this time, I want to see a well balanced and artistically integral city, starting with a half circle of road and half circle of street in a 2x2 square. Your perfectly balanced city will branch out around there. I'll make one too since i'm playing this a lot right now!
The city began as the plot of land where hobos were playing cards
That is literally New Albion
Thy Lord has graced us with yet another gift !!
All the rich people leaving kinda reminds me of all the Californians leaving California and going to Idaho for the way cheaper taxes and cost of living
I love that you just built Vernon, CA
take me down to the max tax city where the price is too high and the sights ain't pretty
Gavin Newsom likes this video.
We need more SimCity 4 videos. I personally think SC4 deluxe edition specifically was the best Sim City game. But SC4 needs more love as it's a great game.
It also has an amazing soundtrack.
I love how the 20% tax rate is considered absurd beyond all reason. I wish we could get it that low.
Libertarians:
*dusts off shoulders*
*clears throat*
“REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”
Whoa. I think this one might need some kinda epilepsy warning for 0:14 cus I don't have epilepsy and even I got all funny by those flashes 😮