Were Scotland SHAFTED at the RWC? | Rugby Pod with Jamie Ritchie
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- Selected in a group with both Ireland and the Springboks despite being ranked 5th in the world at the time, Scotland were set an extremely difficult task to progress through the group stages at the Rugby World Cup.
Scotland captain Jamie Ritchie joins the lads to talk through their RWC campaign and answer whether they felt they were shafted by the early draw?
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0:00 SHAFTED
5:00 How do Scotland kick on?
10:00 Braveheart Leaders
15:30 JUDO CHOP! - Sport
I am a South African and would love to see Scotland win the 6 nations.
Cheers oak 💪🏼
As a Scotland fan, we got exactly what I expected. The gulf between the top teams and a flattering 5th in the world was too big. I don’t think the team bigged themselves up too much, what did you expect them to say when they were asked? Yeh we’re rubbish and don’t stand a chance. That would never happen.
@sandywilkie564
"flatterring 5th in the world" - For me, as a Cymro (Welshman) that is harsh. Scotland are a cracking team and easily "The Best of the Rest".
@sandywilkie564 now imagine if you didnt have all those englishmen with scottish grandparents and all the legendary scots like schoeman, nel, van der merwe, kleyn, etc, etc, etc (now thats perspective for how shite scottish rugby actually is.
@@ratoni87 aye, I wish things were different.
@itspissingrainagain brothers my hole ,they never voted for Ireland to get the 23 world cup .same as those Welsh dickheads.
With the resources and money that England have, we should never beat them............but we do.
Jamie Ritchie is a class act of a man. Respect.
As an All Black fan, I have to say we were fortunate with our draw, Scotland are a good team and hence the Springboks had a tough road to the final. I don't think we would have made it all the way if we had a similar draw. I think Scotland could kick on if they can gain some depth in the front 5.
No, the hard part to swallow is that looking at their youth teams' performances suggests that this may have been the highpoint for Scottish rugby for some years to come.
Youth section has been treated terribly.
We say this but there's a lot of guys under 26 who've been playing for Edinburgh and Glasgow so far this season, and they look good
Nah they just need to find some South Africans to bolster their future squads.
@@sportrocdoc2237 I'm assuming your comment is a dig. If you came from a small country that has only 2 professional teams and rugby is essentially a fringe sport I'm sure you'd do the same. It's within the rules. Live with it.
@@sportrocdoc2237 must be nice having 600,000+ rugby players in your country... Scotland has like 35k registered players. The fact we can even compete with that is Impressive. Yes we have quite a few foreign born players, but that's because Scotland was a part of the British empire which conquered half the world. You play rugby because we brought it to your countries. Not surprising that a lot of foreign players are eligible for Scotland. Also our foreign born players numbers are completely inflated by the amount of guys born in England to Scottish parents. That's just how th3 UK works, big money jobs are in England, only private schools play rugby in Scotland
Pod dudes, you do a great show; good having the NZ, Scots & Eng mix and you all manages to appreciate the qualities of other teams & players; a big thanks
As a proud Scottish rugby fan of 35 years, sadly we were never at our best in the World cup, we never really got going, out muscled by SA, who shut off the midfield with ruthless efficiency, and Ireland just blew us away in the first 50 mins, yes we were given a hard draw, but the hard facts are we just never really got going, we played at 70%, need more than that to beat the toop teams.
What colour are Manie Libboks eyes ?
shafted ? no. we let ourselves down a wee bit in some loose play, but 100% proud of the guys as always. there was no lack of pride or effort and thats all we ask for
Nonsense. We simply weren't good enough. We scored 3 points against South Africa and then were hammered by Ireland, the scoreline only looked slightly respectable when Ireland took their foot off the gas. It was a hard draw, but other teams get hard draws and don't go on and on about it as much as we do. It's a small time attitude.
We are a good team and play some entertaining rugby, but miles off the top 4 in the world and unless we keep importing South Africans we will very likely slip back behind a few other countries as our under 20s are terrible.
The comparison to England actually blew this argument apart, England were one kick away from beating South Africa. We played the same South African team and we were crushed with ease.
You're comparing apples to oranges. England had the benefit of a far easier draw and weather that evened the playing field (kicking duel)
South Africa had already played 3 of the top 5 nations by the time they played England. Whereas england has only played 2 teams in the top 10!
That makes a massive difference....
Remember when Scotland won a trophy or even just competed for a trophy this century? Na me neither 😢
@@silviodante3950The Calcutta Cup the oldest Trophy in Rugby.
@@quofatavocant 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 keep the jokes coming please
@@silviodante3950You asked a question and you got an answer. Please let us know what team you support?
We never had a chance, the players and coaches knew this from draw day! Throw in the fact we haven't looked like beating Ireland, or its provinces since 2017..........and the team, management and coaches all resigned themselves to it!
Great interview. Tops boys the lot of you.
Really like jaime Richie, great player, just wondering will anyone mention that everyone wanted Hamish Watson to start v ireland instead of richie
As a fellow Ritchie, I’ll claim this lad as a long-lost extremely distant cousin and pull for him and his crew to go on and win the Six Nations coming up!
Get some money on it as you'll get good odds on that happening.
Getting out of the pool was pretty hard but they really didn't lay on a glove on SA or Ireland.
No - Scotland weren't hard done by - they thought they were better than they were - had their pants pulled down - sad but true
Great content…lovely guy
As an Irish fan, I really wish we'd got to play Scotland in the quarters.
I'd moved on from the draw, but who did it, it was some sort of fixing...but for who? Who had the interest to make sure the Semis were terrible? My hypothesis, the RFU, cus there was no other way they could have gotten so far, or Rugby Australia, to make their tournament seem better by comparison.
All that points straight to one man, Eddie.
In 2015, 3 teams ranked 3rd , 4th and 5th were in the same pool. The 4th ranked team in the world failed to progress. Nobody complained.
To be fair, England were playing at home so that is why no one complained.
all we heard back then was "Pool of Death" - and this time around 3 of the top 5 teams were out before the semis and poorer teams like ENG and ARG were in the semis. Wrong all over.
@@Fredders88 makes no difference if they were playing at home.
@@powerbite92 It’s a bad draw no doubt, but we all knew about the problem 8 years ago. Closing the door after the horse has bolted?
@@thecuttingsark5094 It's a massive advantage to play at home and England were at home in all 4 pool games.
Yes. Scotland were absolutely shafted by that RWC draw. No question.
They were but it would just look salty if he said that as captain
How so? What makes them so special that they DESERVE easier opponents so they can go further in the competition? Tell you what, Scottish people thought it was funny as fuck that 4th ranked England failed to qualify at their own home tournament in 2015, in a pool with 2nd ranked Australia and 5th ranked Wales, while they themselves managed to get to the QF while ranked 10th. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, all we hear is more bleating. Can't blame the ref or sue the weather so now it's the draw, right?
No, I am not English.
If anything, Scotland being in that pool was more detrimental to South Africa and Ireland and potentially cost Ireland the QF due to having to play that extra "big" game.
@@itspissingrainagain the rankings only compressed to those positions long after tickets went on sale, aka long after the point of no return for the draw. In November of 2022, a few months after ticket sales opened, Ireland were 1, SA were 4 and Scotland were 8 - there is absolutely nothing wrong with 3 teams in those rankings ending up in the same pool, bearing in mind that in 4 pools, 2 of them will have three top 10 teams (duh).
That 1/4/8 was a better spread of teams than the 2015 pool of death where they had 2/4/5 and Scotland did not give a shit, nor should they; you play the cards you were dealt. As it turned out, the pool this year did end up with a 1/2/5 but all helped by Scotland suddenly climbing the ranks from 8 with the help of a couple of imported foreigners and a French team who decided to send their local high school to represent them, not to mention the mini implosion of Australia, Wales and England.
Cut it whichever way you want, Scotland did not even fire a shot in either of the two games that their pundits and fans assured the rest of us they were going to win and now it's the draw's fault? With all that warning about the pools, they should have spent more money on their youth program and less on foreigners.
@Karma-qt4ji I'm sensing some salty hatred for the Scots here lol. What happened to England at RWC 2015 was also wrong, they were also shafted there for sure, and should quite rightly feel hard done by. Yes, it was also detrimental to SA and Ireland. Has anyone claimed otherwise, or are you just picking random nonsensical fights as a tragic keyboard warrior?
By the QF stages we had two semi final standard games in Ireland Vs NZ, and France Vs SA - then on the other side a mickeymouse, sub standard QF between Argentina and Wales, and England Vs Fiji. A completely lop sided tournament.
So for poor old Ireland who managed to finish top of a group that had the teams ranked 1, 2 and 5. They then had to face NZ who had just put 90 on Italy. Meanwhile, England stumbled through a joke of a group and were given a QF fixture against a side that had just lost to Portugal lol.
It was an awful blunder by World Rugby that was detrimental to the integrity of the tournament, and can't (won't) be allowed to happen again.
@@07015678 you are sensing some salty hatred for the Scots because of your feeling of entitlement that you deserved better. As I said to your man here, the one who deemed it necessary to remove all his comments(?), in every RWC for the last 20 odd years, we have had four pools and that means that two of those pools will contain three top 10 teams each.
First week of November, around the time the Autumn internationals started, after the point of no return when RWC tickets had gone on sale, Ireland, SA and Scotland were sitting at 1, 4 and 8 respectively.The only reason that Scotland could ever feel aggrieved is the fact that they improved 3 ranking positions AFTER that point and now we're waiting until 11 February when they beat Wales. Why should everyone wait to buy their tickets long enough for Scotland to 'git gud'? And what makes that 8th ranked team so frikkin precious that they deserve to be in a pool with only one other top 10 side?
And with all this sense of entitlement that you deserve better, comes a complete lack of remorse for taking the piss with your recruitment practices. Add one more South African to your national side and you will have to replace the Thistle on your jerseys with a Protea. Salty hatred? No. But let's just say I had a hell of a lot more respect for you lot when when the late great Doddie Weir and company took to the field. Those were the days of Scotland being full of players proud to be Scottish, not paid to be Scottish.
No, that’s the draw. It’s the way the cookie crumbles. Wasn’t easy for England in 2019 either
No, so in other words if Scotland had an "easier" group they would have qualified? As players you have to play what's in front of you. Scotland were simply not good enough.
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Just like the last World Cup in Japan, we didn’t show up. The forwards were awful in the line out and we got hammered in the scrum. To say we didn’t get a fair draw is ridiculous. Unfortunately we will always lack depth in the squad due to only having two pro teams and the lack of investment in grass roots.
Disagree with that assessment. First game of the pool against SA i expected them to be utterly dominated in positions one to eight but i thought they were on an even toe for the first 60 mins. It only after SA ran in the first try and brought on the bomb squad did they start to get the upper hand at scrum and set peice
Thought Townsend was gonna go, not a big fan, but, best of luck to Scotland.
You can safely bet Scotland will never win a world cup in a million years but they can beat any team on their day and with a bit of luck.I loved the 90s team with David Sole,Peter Wright,Gavin Hastings etc.
Except the All Blacks. They've never done that
In most sports but especially rugby union the best teams invariably win,Scotland are a decent side but to honest South Africa and New Zealand play on a different level closely followed by France and Ireland and the World Cup was only ever going to be won by one of those 4 teams.
Haha your a joke Scotland beat France in Paris a number of times in the last two years, so guess your Welsh but good on u in England we love our boys north of the Wall
lets see where they finish in the next 6 nations....
Why bother - we saw what they had to offer on the biggest stage - didn't deliver - they'll be fighting for the wooden spoon again
Every year Scotland talk themselves up, every year. They have not been a force since the advent of professionalism. Russel and Hogg thought otherwise, but there is no shame in sitting at the second table, but they must accept their setting.
Love Scotland what a team from a saffa.. got a scot father so house is split in 2..
Kinda all three teams were 'shafted' in that pool if you want to look at it theoretically. I do believe you take what you get and you have to beat at least two of the best sides in the world to win the damn thing anyway. Whenever you meeet them, you have to be ready to beat them.
But theoretically, although they won, South Africa had to expend a good deal of energy in the pool. So the close games beyond the pool might have been a little less dicey for them if either Ireland or Scotland weren't in there.
Ireland, had it even more difficult than South Africa. By the time they met SA, the Boks had already beaten Scotland. Ireland knew that even in beating SA (which they had to do for safety!) they'd still have to play a high quality game against Scotland to ensure progress. They should have rested players more but never felt safe enough to do it, given the timing of games.
Now........ what the hell did Tonga and Romania think!
Let's hope so 😅
Scotland always seem to huff and puff but never manage to blow the house down! A six nations grand slam is now a must for this team! 🤣
You forgot the part about importing paid talent.
@@Karma-qt4jiwhy do you think they are playing for Scotland if they were as good as everyone thinks the are they would not be playing in Scotland
@@johnmcintyre800 To answer your question, two reasons: money, and the chance to play on the big stage, for more money. They chose Scotland because none of the big money nations wanted them and the non- big money nations could not afford them.
Now answer mine..
What makes them Scottish enough to represent Scotland? Not one of them would even qualify to live and work in the UK if they did not play rugby but because they play rugby, they are suddenly Scottish? None of them will stay in the country after they retire and Duhan even left Scotland the minute he qualified - had to come back when Worcester went tits up.
It's just blurring the lines between club and country and it's unethical AF.
@@Karma-qt4ji l kinda agree about the qualifications side of things it wrong but every country is using it about the only country not doing is south Africa and if they were even near the standard of the south African squad they would be picked here and there to see if they could improve them all the qualification stuff came from NZ and Australia everybody else followed suit just the way world ruby let it take over
@@Karma-qt4ji Imports in the Scotland match day squad in the WC - Duhan, Schoeman, an ageing WP Nel on the bench - thats it 3 out of 23. 2 in the run on side.
Huw Jones was born in Edinburgh. Sione has Scottish family and Scottish blood, so.. three .. out of 23 or around 1/10th of all the players and youre pretending that the match day team is Entirely made up of foreign players. Youre not being honest.
And when England pick the likes of Vainikolo or Henry Paul then that was fine.
Feel like while we didnt expect to get out of the pool most folk were confident we wouldnt get utterly gubbed against Ireland and SA. Turns out we were wrong.
With all due respect to Jamie, a great player, however having watched the SA v Scotland match live, l don't believe SA got out of second gear, didn't need to, just enough to win. Player management vital throughout the pool stages proved to be critical, the two teams with the least minutes played per player in the pools, ended up in the final. Coincidence??
Lack of depth absolutely was a factor.
Scotland a good team. Not a great team. Simply not in the top 5. The draw is the draw. Gotta beat opposition when it matters.
SA first try should have been disallowed - two players pulling the maul, not pushing - the second try was a very soft defensive error. Another day would have seen another result.
@@dennism5731"soft defensive error" 🤣 no if SA and Scotland played 10 games, SA would have won all 10.
@@joeritchie2Against the Springboks?
Scotland are playing some great rugby, commensurate with the scope their national team set up and club set up will allow. They will win games against better nations but mostly only when the other team is having an off-day or in general decline like England pre world cup.
Jim why did you beat David with a uppercut 😅😅😅
You really can't compare a first pool game against a fourth pool game. For starter's the teams may not have peaked yet (like in NZ's case), and also there would be some focus on preventing injuries and keeping fresh.
One thing that people (mainly journos when they are trying to create controversy) say in these conversations but seem to forget the meaning of, is the word "DRAW". Ie picking teams blindly out of a pot. Yes the pots may have seemed imbalanced compared to rankings a couple of months out from the World Cup (although they were a reflection of performancea at the previous RWC, when teams aim to peak) but the end Pools were still pure luck.
There was an equal chance that Ireland and France could have ended up in Wales or England's group (instead of Japan and Australia). There was even a chance that Soctland could've got drawn alongside Wales and Japan. But that's it, it didnt happen due to luck.
It's a shame for Jamie Ritchie to end up in this headline when what he says (as opposed to what the panel say) about the draw is all sensible. There's no point arguing that Scotland should have had the draw England (or Argentina, Wales, Aus, Fiji) had if you're criticising the draw for being lopsided. So the reasonable argument would be that if there had been a 'perfectly seeded' draw then yes Scotland would have had a decent shot at making a quarter-final (more likely than not as they're somewhere near the top of the group below the top four, but no certainty). Had they done so all the evidence we have is that they would have lost comfortably to one of the top four teams. And it's pretty strong evidence as they played two of them and we know what happened.
Ultimately we weren’t good enough at the WC. We seem to lack a bit of belief when it comes to that tournament. I think we need to try to win the 6N this year, as Ireland and France may be on a bit of an emotional lull after disappointing world cups, and England are still rebuilding.
However, do I actually think we’ll win it? Not really. I still remain optimistic each year though, otherwise, what’s the point in watching sport?
The only chance Scotland would have had to get to the quarters, would have been to be in the England or wales pool. You could see them beating either of the teams that finished top row in both groups. After that, they’d have been on the plane on the Sunday night.
You don’t think they would win the quarter final?
@@finlayD853 who knows, it never happened
Great team but a lack of adaptability
Attacking is awesome but lack grit and a that drive to get over the line
Attacking is shit huffing alot of huffing and puff and sometimes the only direction is backwards
The World Champions had the toughest draw and route to the final and still won.
Stop this whining about the draw. You have to beat the best to be the best.
@@itspissingrainagain You must be a very unintelligent person to write such a comment. No team has won without things going their way at some point. In fact SA had pull through tough moments with injuries and wet weather conditions. Clearly you are part of the NH heroic losers brigade 🤡. Winning is all that matters.
Until such time as they actually achieve something, the Scotch need to be outwardly humble and just stop talking themselves up so much.
Take it whatever way you want but Goodie with his top grade proven rugby skills and his unadulterated cheekiness & enjoyment when he payed, unique, nobody else demonstrated such a boyish enjoyment at that level when it’s always so serious., pity he retired! Also , not too bad at podcasting. Pls remain in the public domain 🏉
Yeah the draw was unfavourable and England's Semi final exit was flattering. However in a knockout competition you're going to face Ireland or SA at the business end, so what you hoping for .... gaining momentum in an easier group, them getting a few injuries? If so, and you are relying on others being below par in order to win, that's not a calibre of team to win a world cup. Saying that a would have maybe been a different outcome if SA got a player rightfully red carded 10 minutes into the opening game.
The pool of death. I do not think that it does rugby any favors.
There is always going to be a lop sided draw under the current format until there is enough genuine tier 1 teams to even it out.
Shafted? No, they just failed to show up, especially against Ireland
Definitely not shafted. Perhaps unlucky that one of Scotlands best tteams in years had to square up against those 2, but Scotland were outplayed regardless.
Not as if they narrowly lost. Had they been in group C or D they may have topped it, but would still have had to get through the knockouts where 2 of the 3 games would have been against top opposition equal to what they faced in Group B...
So no. Not shafted. They had a mountain to climb and unfortunately only made it out of base camp.
Love the Scots and all the best! Hope you guys claim a 6 Nations in the coming few seasons. You do have a really competitive team who on their day can beat anyone. Unfortunately its consistency that wins tournaments.
This is tge order of shafting by the draw in order of high to low. Scotland because they deserved to be quarter finalists. Ireland because they had to face NZ just after Scotland. South Africa because they had to deal with so much quality before England. France because they faced SA instead of tired Ireland and NZ because they had to face Ireland in the semis.
Its the strength of the number 3 team in a pool that makes it a pool of death. Scotland ranked at 5 means Scotland was shafted
As someone else has said in another thread, at the point tickets went on sale (Nov 22, less than a year out from the tournament) Scotland were actually renamed 8th (SA 4th, Ire 1st) which is actually a not too crazy spread. They only rose to 5th in the following 6N.
Tough draw but realistically speaking not quite at the level of either SA or Ireland in my view.
A lot of Scotland’s improvements revolve around importing South Africans, Australians, Kiwis, etc. England clearly need to import more intelligently.
sorry, scotland are not in ireland or the boks'league.... nor are they good enough to win the 6 nations- the gulf btw the top 4 teams and scotland is monstrous
@@itspissingrainagainrecruit more saffas mate; I heard they are busy pumping world cup winners 🏆🏆🏆🏆 out of a grave somewhere.
Yes, Scotland were (and Ireland and France too - both were semi-final standard teams).
I love how deluded Scotland fans are. Too much Buckfast I think.
@@silviodante3950 Scotland would have made the QFs if they were in England's or Wales' places.
@@Fredders88 Scotland's greatest team ever as many pundits have called them have gone out at the group stage in 2 consecutive WC's but they did manage a record 3rd place finish in the 6 nations. What a team. Truly outstanding👏👏
@@silviodante3950 Best Scotland team I've seen are the 1990 Grand Slam team. They went on a tour of NZ in the June after that and had a very good tour. There was a VHS tape of it which was good.
South Africa played the top 5 teams in the world and beat 4 of them (Scotland, France, England and New Zealand), only lost against Ireland at the right time to be able to go all the way....stop crying...
@@itspissingrainagain do you have a point or do you just like going around online calling people derogatory terms?
Imagine believing they could have beaten the Springboks
@@itspissingrainagain SA 4 WC NZ 3 WC AUS 2 WC NH 1😂😂😂 stop dreaming. U need to go dig up more granny bones if u want to win something
@@ricardomoolman1176We (South Africa) won the World Cup - no need to be nasty.
No, they were abysmal against Ireland after all their pre match chat.
Billy tried to shaft the Saffas with the draw and it backfired.🤣
Its always ridiculous when 3 of the top 5 teams dont make the semis
joedennehy. They shouldn't have been in the same group, bloody ridiculous. And the smug English getting to the semi before they played anyone.
Scotland only rose to 5th during the 6N 2023. At the time tickets went on sale, Nov 22 (less than a year prior to the tournament), Scotland were 8th.
No
What’s this stuff about “best ever position”? 1991 Scotland were a kick away from final and 2015 a kick from semi final! 🙄
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At least Jamie sounds Scottish....hey Jim 😂😂😂😂
These are professional commentators, common, look at things without patriotic blinkers. Yes Scotland had a tough group and ultimately there is only one winner of the tournament. Every top 10 team aim is to win the tournament. Disrespectful comments about the teams that got far as they did is embarrassing. Scotland have an ok team with a great coach but they were shown where they really are against Ireland. Building Scotland up to anything better than a good entertaining ream is ultimately not good for them or Northern Hemisphere rugby. Certain teams aim for world Cups and some just want to win their Derby. Once that mind set is broken world cups will never be won. The only times that ethos has been done a world Cup was won by a very talented England side with an excellent coach also Ireland this year gettjng very close. This isn't anti Scotland I love their coach and passion but reality is the key and building for the future.
Where was all this complaining and whining when Australia, England, and Wales were in the same group in 2015?
@@itspissingrainagain the 2015 draw was made at the same point in the World Cup cycle as the 2023 draw.
Don't forget Fiji who were the best of the 2nd tier at that point.
As far as Wales were concerned in that tournament's draw, only 9 months prior, we were 6N Grand Slam champions which followed a semi-final WC. We lost 3 games to Australia in between by a combined total of 4 points. The real kickers were losses of 7+ points to Arg and Sam at home in the autumn which really plummeted us down the rankings just ahead of the draw.
from what ive seen the only teams that will win future world cups will either be nz and rsa and maybe france the other tier 1 nations dont even come close australia are only getting worse england i dont think so ireland possibly a final but i dont think theyll win it. Scotland are very inconsistent they cant beat teams like ireland newzealand and south africa theyve only really beat france in recent times but france on some days can lose to anyone sometimes
Was the draw a farce? Yes but ultimately, only one team wins it. The reason SA and NZ have won the last 5 is anything other than winning it is seen as absolute failure. To much talk in the other nations about having a good world cup while not winning it.
Scotland was "Shafted" for sure! England had it "good" in the W.Cup🤮🤮!!!!!! From 🇿🇦 🇿🇦S.Africa
How can anyone feel shafred about the draw. The pool didnt help any of the 3 top teams.
(As a South African) Scotland would have gone as far as England did if they were in that group!!!
Only Rambo has retired?, pretty sure there was another🤔🤣
Ireland played their best game against Scotland and SA shouldve had a red in thier game against the Scots. Scotland though, were also a little flat in their endeavour. Ben Whitehouse had several shockers at TMO. So long as Edinburgh and Glasgow keep it up, we can compensate for lack of youth coming through.
Naaa. They got to play two of the best teams and lost both. Isn't the idea to win the whole thing? Just progressing is no different really. Like does anyone talk about how well France did for example? Only the winners are ever remembered
I don't think we were shafted. Yeah it was a bullshit draw but tbh who cares if you get to quarter final or not. We were never gonna win the cup which was clear by our performance against SA and Ireland. If we had been in another group we probably would've gone out in quarters. So what
No, but Wales and the All blacks certainly were.
I would watch more of your content cos I like the discussions but I have kids in the house and the bad language is off putting! Please clean it up lads!
100% Scotland should have been in the groups england and wales were , I'm welsh we weren't in an easy group but Scotland would have topped that group too
the draw was spot on and produced the best WC so far , shut up whining if Scotland want to play in the knockout stages play better rugby
Rugby fans were shafted by the draw. They pay to watch the best teams play as long as possible not knock each other out in the early stages while lesser teams progress.
I think most rugby fans would prefer to see underdogs do well rather than the best teams win all the time. Hence the huge interest in Fiji and Portugal this tournament. Despite rankings and recent form prior to the RWC, I think Ireland and France sort of capture that spirit due to the historic dominance of NZ and SA. Neutrals wanted to see someone who hadn't previously won it, go all the way
Really come on why surprise for South Africa to win the world cup. You team just score 3 points against South Africa
good thing he said no he wasn't surprised then isn't it....
Um, no. They just lost two important games and didn't make it out of the pool (again). Lol.
A six nations finals would be at most a quarter finals in the rugby world cup and nothing more.😂
I see some one forgot the 2019 WC
Mr Racist popping up yet again
Jim Hamilton Pick me fan boy 😂
Scotland were shafted by the draw..... as were France and Ireland, both of whom were infinately better teams than Argentina and England.
Scotland are nothing more than Finn Russel and he's really not that particularly great, the illusion was shattered at the WC is all that happened.
Trying to get over for years he and hogg was dropped a few years ago and nobody noticed
But the money men forced them back in been picked again and they never tried to develop any other player
Everyone on that side was shafted. World Rugby are useless
it does stink when you think Scotland have pulled England's budgie smugglers down for a few years now, and only, what if, they had their group and passage through the competition. having a crack at a SA in a semi and going out with some respect instead of losing to them in a group you never got out of.
Richie has had too many bangs to the head if he thinks scotland can win a six nations with this crop of players. Keep the head down but don't be talking the big talk about punching with the big boys.
If we're doing what ifs and buts and alternative futures and Scotland had England's run then I think Fiji would have humped Scotland. They'd have ran riot over the Scots.. Five trys for Fiji easily with that Scottish defence.
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