UGRIC: HUNGARIAN, MANSI
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The Ugric or Ugrian languages are a proposed branch of the Uralic language family. The name Ugric is derived from Ugrians, an archaic exonym for the Magyars (Hungarians) and Yugra, a region in northwest Russia.
Ugric includes three subgroups: Hungarian, Khanty, and Mansi. The last two have traditionally been considered single languages, though their main dialects are sufficiently distinct that they may also be considered small subfamilies of three to four languages each. A common Proto-Ugric language is posited to have been spoken from the end of the 3rd millennium BC until the first half of the 1st millennium BC, in Western Siberia, east of the southern Ural Mountains. Of the three languages, Khanty and Mansi have traditionally been set apart from Hungarian as Ob-Ugric, though features uniting Mansi and Hungarian in particular are known as well.
The Ugric language family was first noticed by Pope Pius II in his Cosmographia (1458), when he wrote that the Ostyaks (Khanty) and Voguls (Mansi) spoke a language like that of the Hungarians.
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It's so fascinating that Hungarian's closest relatives are spoken in West Siberia.
Because they are original Mongoloid Uralic peoples and modern Hungarians are West Slavic people speaking an Uralic language.
@@h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777 Is term ''mongoloid'' still a thing in science world? I thought it went obsolete
@@h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777 The Proto-Uralic people weren’t East Asians
@@h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777 I wouldnt call hungarians mongoloids nor would I really consider them "slavs speaking hungarian".
Yes, the first mentions of slavic peoples in the carpatian basin area
were written around the 6 century CE with even the first "true" slavic state being established in 631(Samos Empire) which is a lot earlier then the arrival of the magyar tribes around 894-897,but you need to keep in mind that when the magyars arrived,they came in great numbers.
Is is estimated that around 400 to 500 thousands magyar "invaders" came upon the carpathian basim, which was at that point in time only holding around 200 thousands peoples of different ethnicities
(Avars,Slavs,Moravians,Bulgars,etc).
These groups were subjugated and hungarified over the more then thousand years.
Ofc there is a lot of slavic culture there but Id say theres a lot more hungarian culture and overall a melted pot.
@@HighKingBob There are only theories of the proto-Uralic homeland, from the Urals to the Sayan mountains. So I would say they were, or were mixed.
Mansi sounds like the old 1200 hungarian that we needed to learn in school.
They teach you your ancient language??? That's so cool
@@luismanuelgutierrezolivera9143 only a few whrited memories like burying ceremony and religious books as the ancient hungaryan Maria crying
a halotti beszéd és könyörgés, Tihanyi apátság alapító levele és az Ómagyar mária siralom valóban nagyon hasonló nyelvezetűek
@@luismanuelgutierrezolivera9143well in someschools you need to learn it by heart in some they only mention
@@luismanuelgutierrezolivera9143 actually the hunagrian is ancienct langauge ~10.000 years old. the oldest still spokne proto language. that what we learn is the first wroted document with 1200 years old hunagrian. named "halotti beszéd" but perfectly understable with modern hungarian.
Even as a Finn I can see similarities in basic vocabulary. For example 'butter' in Hungarian 'vaj', in Mansi 'voj', in Finnish 'voi'. Or 'to go' in Hungarian 'menni', in Mansi 'minuňkve', in Finnish 'mennä'.
"Vöj" and "mynyny" in Udmurt
I am Hungarian, and I learn Finnish. Yes, we have 40-50 ancient similar words, which have the common origin. The new loan words like vodka, auto, radio are not that interesting or surprising.
Also the logic of the Finnish and Hungarian grammar is similar due to the agglutination.
If I had to prove the relationship between Finnish and Hungarian language quickly, then I would compare what the animals say in English, Finnish, and Hungarian.
I found 500 words in English that make it a Finnougric language. Furthermore Chinese Mandarin shares words with Hungarian and Russian. So Mandarin is a Slavic language? This is just too morbid. Sorry.
@@Justice4NounTTP It depends. If those words are auto, radio, vodka, etc... then not. But if you can prove that they were used 5000 years ago at the same location by the same people, then yes.
Those words listed by yere7851 have a 5000 years common history and common origin.
@@Justice4NounTTP it's called historical-comparative linguistics... I was about to write an essay here but then I realized there's no reason for me educate an uneducated troll on the internet.
The very basic words are similar, but unfortunately we are still too distant to understand more complicated texts
@Prof. Spudd You speak romanized Germanic. We pure Germanic languages can understand each other quite easily
@Prof. Spudd You can change certain letters in Germanic words to make them look like Dutch, English, etc.. This works in German (was > "wat" > what, Herz > "Hert" > hart (Dutch) > heart > similar to "hjarte" in Norwegian). I just have to think in German, Dutch and English to see the similarities. Sometimes, it's difficult but it's surprising to see relations even if not expected.
@@forestmanzpedia Herz > "Sertz" > serdce =сердце (Russian)
Right. But we could learn it on an usable level in some months.
@@abukafiralalmani I dare you to listen to Icelandic and Elfdalian.
As a Udmurt, I understood some words, especially numerals.
Numerals 7..9 are other than Udmurt ones, despite 8 is similar to 4.
as a Hungarian, I was so happy to hear this, thanks. i googled it: "Mansi native speakers: 940" :(
😲😲😲
940 , but in 2012.... so maybe its a dad language nowadays.... most of the audios are from the 1990's :/
the youth are all wanting to learn Russian
@@trzy7265 They are pretty much forced. Russians have closed native language schools and replaced them with Russians, usually with optional native language class. At least that has been the case a lot in the past.
Today I work in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and there are many settlements in the Mansi language, but i have never met Mansi people. The Soviet government destroyed their way of life, that's why so many Mansi don't know their language, many of them drink alcohol
Thank you - Kiitos - Kösönöm 🇫🇮💙 from Finland
Köszönöm* :)
So close yet so far....
It was really great to watch this as a Hungarian. Thanks for the video!
Happy to see Hungarian has a family. Ugric branch of Uralic.
My language. Polish is of course Slavic branch of Indo-European.
Imagine this is as far as you guys can get when it comes to mutual intelligibility, because Mansi is the closest language relative to Magyar.
@@Abiodun92 Well, they parted a long time ago and lost contact since. Try to understand the language, you ancestors spoke 2000 years ago (if you could find any written text, that is).
Hungarian is such a beautiful language, love from Iran
Btw, your ansestors borrowed the word for "one" from them.
@@IranAzadLoading Try to use your brain
@@IranAzadLoading What is the word for "one" in persian?
Thank you , hi from hungary 🙏😉🍻
@@IranAzadLoading Salam aleykum! It took you only 1 month to answer the question. You're not very fast, are you? 🤣🤣🤣
Köszönjük! Éljenek sokáig a Manysik!❤❤❤ Áldás rájuk❤❤
The choice of these words was excellent since these also have overlap with the Finnic words for same things. Being an Estonian speaker I could instantly see the Uralic language roots there.
As a Hungarian, it is good to see than even if our language is not understandable for you at all, we can still find common vocabulary
I am by no means a fluent Finnish speaker but as a learner I saw some similarities, too.
@@zuzanaacova9830 szeritem nem 😀
This is SO fun too, because it's so rare to hear any Mansi. I've heard many Uralic languages, and I think this is the first time I have heard recorded Mansi.
@@ryaaannnn There folksong on youtube in mansi, even in khanty and i guess any language no matters how rare the language is.
Mansi is beautiful! Much love to our brothers and sisters from Hungary!
We Hungarians are always looking for language relatives so desperately. Indeed, it is the closest relative, however, still very far.
Mansi gibt's in Tunesien auch
Indo-European people: Yes, we have so much branches, but still in some branches languages is so intelligible, like Slavic or Germanic is!
Turkic people: we literally can understand a languages in different branches of our language family
Uralic people when they see a neighbour: who the fuck is you man?
Are Germanic and Slavic languages similar? lmao
Oh no
@@gamezzzrevolution7157 If you'll look from the ancient perspective - they share a lot of common things and sometimes you may even find some regularities between the words
like slavic blato(swamp) and english pool
russian свинья(s v ee n y aa) and english word "swine" or german word "schwein"
but imo slavic and italic languages share much more in common than slavic and germanic.
latin "Domus" - slavic "Dom" - Home
latin "Cabbalus" - slavic "Kobyla" - Horse
latin "Ignis" - slavic "Ognь" - Fire
etc..
@@gamezzzrevolution7157 Depends on the words you're looking at. There was also a lot of early borrowings in both with ancient Germanic and Slavic peoples interacting with one another. You need to often know the sound changes to see a lot of the similarities, however. Ancient Italic and Celtic languages were basically as different as Baltic and Slavic are but modern Celtic languages have undergone so many mutations that it is difficult to see many of the commonalities as well.
@@user-xh7wg6yn5o in classical latín it's "equus" and in vulgar Latin it's "cavallus"
The Hungarian speaker has the most amazing voice. I melted. I would totally marry her just for that voice. 😆
😅😅😅
Take a chill pill.
For real, if someone whispered to me in that voice, I'd melt.
No, we can't understand complicated texts, but what I find fascinating is that the intonation is sooo similar! The emphasis is always at the beginning of the word and the sentence. A lot of languages differ from that, and it really shows that ours are related.
yes that's a common Uralic trait, in fact I (as a Hungarian) find the Finnish intonation the most similar to ours... Not our closest relative but probably it was us and the Finns whom, through being more powerful and more efficiently resisting outside influences, were able to retain the sound of ancient Uralic intonation. Many Uralic languages in contemporary Russia have been intonation-wise influenced by Russian and Turkic languages, Estonian a bit by Baltic and Germanic (although still pretty close to us, I have a friend from Tartu who speaks with an intonation totally similar to East Hungarian / székely intonation) and then there are the Samoyedic languages which are something fundamentally different and just sound Native American to me lol.
Make one between all three hungarian, khanty, and manysi
Love the sound of Hungarian
I am hungarian and I am stopped loving hungarian :-(
@@samuelpollak964why ?
@@samuelpollak964"stopped loving hungarian" xD Hungary Te nagy eszű, vagy a nyelvet nem szereted?
@@samuelpollak964 Ennek nincs sok ertelme angolul
Where did you find a Mansi speaker. It is very endangered language. :(
I think that the Mansi speaker in this video is not native. Otherwise, he would probably have a Russian accent.
Hi, I do the Mansi reading part!
I've learned Mansi basics, and tried my self in it. Spelling is straight forward, and if you have a good material to learn from, it's not that hard. 😁
@Prof. Spudd Yes, indeed it is 😉
@Prof. Spudd I think it is better than a Russian accent :D
I've been to Khanty-Mansiysk (the main city of the Khanty-Mansy autonomous district)
I went to a book shop there and when I asked if they had any resources on the Khanty language, they just looked at me as if I was asking something stupid lol
Végre ilyenre találok. Már régóta keresem a hasonlóságot a két nyelv között. Köszönöm! Kérem több ilyet!
Évek óta figyelem a nyelveket , elképesztő hogy mennyi nyelvben fel fedezni a magyar kapcsolatokat....rengeteg, rengeteg nyelvben🙏😉👍
@@sandorgera5570 Minden nyelv és nemzet folyamatosan keveredett illetve változott. Vándorlások, hódítások, leigazasok, kultúrális és biológiai keveredések.
"Sajnos" nincs sokkal több...
Damn I swore to never learn hungarian but I kinda love how it sounds
You should add the word "arrow" to this nice video.. "Arrow" - Hungarian - "nyíl", Mansi/Khanty - "ня̄л" ("nâ̄l"). BTW, this word is nearly the same in all Finno-Ugric languages.
Finnish - "nuoli", Estonian - "nool"
I liked how the Mansi text rhymed. It sounded really pleasant.
Beautiful language, Beautiful voice of the girl !
Khanty language is also very similar to Mansi and Hungarian. The Magyars (hungarians) share their origins with these Uralic tribes, coming from the Western Siberian Plains. Eventually the Magyars migrated down to the Volga region, between the Caspian and Black Sea, where they mingled with Huns, Iranians and Khazars.
In the 9th and 10th century the Magyars moved further west and settled in the Pannonian basin - today's Hungary.
We have Мещерское озеро in Nizhny Novgorod where one tribe of uralic people lived. We called them Мещеры and lake called after them. Their language disappeared completely in 17 century due to assimilation.
There are several similar ones to the east of Nizhny Novgorod, for example in Mari El, Tatarstan and Bashkiria, Chuvash.
ORIGIN of hungarian and mansi ISN'Ttogether. Just lived together any time.
I'm Hungarian, this video was really interesting. Thank you!
I've said it many times before. Hungarian is the sexiest language in Europe.
Wow, I have never heard something like that about the Hungarian language! But I like it! Very flattering. And a poem read by an actor is music my my Hungarian ear!
I love how Mansi sounds really familiar compared to Finnish. I can tell Hungarian and Mansi are related (not as closely as Finnic languages, but similar to Finnish - Sámi). Some basic vocabulary is just really familiar. Although Uralic languages diverged about 4200-3900 years ago at least, (just about after Proto-Indo-European dialects diverged), there are some similarities in lexical and phonological level. In comparison, Icelandic and Pashtu diverged from each others about the same time, and there are quite a lot similarities in numerals and in basic vocabulary. Indo-Europeans hardly notice these, because of their number of speakers, and many more-closely related languages. Finns, Mansi and Hungarians have very little notable languages which to compare.
Nevertheless, languages are fascinating! Greetings from Finland!
Mansi Official Cyrillic:
Ка̄тпаттамн а̄ӈкватэ̄гым - Тӯрыт, а̄т ам ка̄салэ̄гум, О̄лнэ колум тот сушаты, Хо̄тал нэ̄р тапа̄лн тӯйтхаты. Са̄лы лэ̄нх хосыт сӯсэ̄гум, са̄лы сун ам тоы хо̄нтэ̄гум, Морах пилкве татем са̄в, во̄ркве, пе̄с йис о̄лнэ ма̄в.
As a Hungaruan I can understand the similar words when written out next to each other like that. And I would be able to understand most of the numbers under any condition. But the moment the man starts reading whole sentances it just sounds incomprehensible, like Finnish to me. Though the standardization of the Hungarian language into the "koznyelv" likely had a large impact on the inteligibility of or relative languages as we switched a lot of pronunciations and droped many archaic words.
Simply incredible
Omg, the words “woman” and “heart” sound so similar to Mandarin Chinese (nü and xin, pronounced as sin)
Children of Xiongnu... 😏
@@eluemina2366 you mean the Huns? No wonder that "Atilla" is a common Hungarian first name
@@Viktorvelat95 as a history student I must be the spoilsport here... we're not children of the Xiongnu, actually, despite the fact that many Hungarians believe this thanks to a legend based on medieval chronicles. (Basically, when European nations had first contact with ancient Hungarians they described them as if they were a similar nation they met earlier - Turks, Avars, Huns or whatever they thought Hungarians resemble the most.) Huns are more like the weird uncle's best friends for us, not actual "parents". Early Hungarians originate from the Uralic region, closely related to the Mansi and Khanty people of today. Then our ancestors came in contact with the Khazar Khagante for a fairly long period of time and thus with the Huns since they were allies with the Khazars. While we don't know too much about the Hunnic/Hunnish language, it's highly speculated to be Turkic in origin, just like Khazaric. Several centuries later Hungarians also came into contact briefly with the Proto-Mongolic language which is while not a Turkic language still has several similarities, and extensively with Ottoman Turkish, definitely a Turkic language.
So while we're not the children of the Xiongnu, we definitely have similarities.
@@Viktorvelat95 Attila only became a common name among Hungarians towards the end of the 19th century, influenced by the national romantic movement linking us to the Huns through our medieval chronicles.
@@bencebuda4599 I didn't know that we had loanwords from Proto-Mongolic, especially centuries after settling in the Carpathian Basin? Are you perhaps thinking of the Turkic/Kipchak Cumans who settled here in the 13th century and possibly gave us words like "balta" (alternative to "fejsze)? The only link between Hungarian and Mongolic I can think of is that Mongolic may have a layer of early Bulgar-Turkic/Lir-Turkic/Chuvash-like loanwords in it, much like Hungarian; this is evident in words like "iker" vs Mongolic "ихэр" vs. Common Turkic "ikiz", showing the Chuvash z-r sound change, but this goes way back to the pre-conquest era.
Very correct summary, though!
Looks like Mansi has remained closer to other Uralic languages than Hungarian has. For example, Hungarian fiu, Mansi pyg (boy) vs Estonian poeg (son).
We Hungarians moved a lot and far. That’s the reason why we lost so much of our uralic ancestry. We were uralic people surrounded by a lake of slavic, germanic and romanic peoples.
The Darkness summed it up pretty well. Also, we had an Ottoman occupation for 150 years that definitely did some altering on our language.
Actually fiú is a compound word, fi (like in atyafi, honfi etc.) + -ú
The Hungarian language fell under heavy influence from other languages spoken on the Steppe long ago, primarily Turkic and Iranian languages. Then after settling down in the Carpathian Basin the language was further influenced by Slavic, Germanic, and Romance languages along with some further Turkic influence.
The Ottoman Occupation didn’t have that big of an influence on the language other than a few loan words. The vast majority of the Turkic influence predates the Ottoman conquest. Most dates back to the nomadic period and to a lesser extent by the settlement of Turkic speaking people in the Carpathian Basin after the Hungarian Conquest. (Khazars, Pechenegs, Cumans etc.)
@@thedarkness3766 do not forget intercommunication with lot of turkic languages
I've been waiting for this all my life
Ты удмуртка? :)
@@Georgin да
butter is voi in Finnish, exactly the same pronunciation!
Hmmm interesting honestly how Uralic languages in general seems to differ this much! I mean... we dont have this much differences in Turkic and Iranic languages for example
Uralic languages split apart much earlier than Turkic and had more time to change, also Iranic languages can be very different from one another too
Uralic is like Indo-European while Finnic (Finnish & Estonian) & Ugric (Hungarian & Mansi) are like Germanic, Romance & Slavic.
Hungarian is pretty far from even the Ugrics, Hungarian has splitted from Proto-Ugric around 2500-3000 years ago(~1000 or 500 BCE), Khanty and Mansi are probably much closer to each other.
Finnish and Estonian or Finnish and Karelian also look much closer to each other.
@@julianfejzo4829 Im actually Iranic so yes and no Iranic languages can be understood to a high degree by Iranics just needed some work and practice
For example as a persian speaker Persian speak and pronounce words way slower than kurdish kurdish is like fast paced
And also in Persian g changed to j or zh sound while p changed to f or b ch changed to sh or j and zh sound changed to z or sh or j in some words for example Zan(woman in Persian) zhan(woman in kurdish)
Baluchi is again similar but imagine an Iranic language highly effected by indians and pakistanis
Pashtun is east Iranian still similar but its like a fino ugric situation(Persian kurdish baluchi is west Iranic while Pashto ossetian khotan are east)
Some word differences are also minor too like Mazandarani says doter to girl while Persian says Dokhtar or like ossetian shmakh while in Persian shoma(came from shomakh but kh sound disapeared in it over time)
If u wanna understand Iranic languages choose an Iranic language and practice by listening how they pronounce plus learn original iranic words mentioned in Iranic languages as Iranic languages have tons of other words from other languages with original Iranic word
@@sectorgovernor Damn... well cool I guesd thanks for information!
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Surprisingly, at least within this choice of words, there were quite a few words similar to Estonian.
Mansi sounds so much Hungarian to me. They have similar phonology.
And also Khanty sounds like Hungarian.
The rythm of mansi reminds me of an old Hungarian text from the 1300s, except we understand that one but not this
Khanty is even more similar. Look up the video "Hanti lány számol ( Szurguti nyelvjárás)".
There are similarties no doubt, but thanks to prolonged seperation and the different paths the two peoples took it's no wonder despite being closely linked with one another they also happen to be so different from eachother
Hungarian has an incredibly beautiful voice
it's kinda sad that this is the closest related language to hungarian and even these basic words are sometimes different... i see slavic people understand each others' languages and i want language siblings like that, poor Hungary is so lonely :(((
You have us Romanians, we are also isolated from our Latin brothers. Román, magyar - két jó barát :)
@@wyqtor Do you understand written form of other romance languages?
I'm a Polish person (well... I didn't actually grow up in Poland though), I simply learned Polish from my parents. I can't speak for other Poles, but I will say that I have trouble understanding other Slavic languages, and that's probably because since Polish is not my strongest language (because I never went to a Polish school), so to understand other Slavic non-Polish languages, one needs to have a superior advanced linguistic grasp of Polish vocabulary and cognates (which I don't have). So even Slovakian (which is the closest language to Polish), I can only understand about 45-50% of the WHOLE language. Checz I can understand around 35-40%, Ukrainian 30-35%, Russian around 20-25%, Bulgarian 15%, Slovenian 5%, and so on... For a Polish person who actually went to a Polish school (unlike me), naturally the mutual intelligibility will be increased by a few percentage more than mine for each Slavic language (but even in the case of a advanced Polish speaker, Slovak would only be understood around 60-70% of the entire casual language as opposed to my 50% (and that's not even getting to advanced vocabulary in Slovak for instance) So my point is, it's not exactly like we Slavs have some kind of natural thing where we can actually talk to each other without problems, very often, we Slavs have trouble understanding other Slavs. You will see that many Poles will have an easier time understanding English, German, or even French (if we actually study them, which we often do), than we would understand other Slavic languages. I can probably understand more Standard German thousand times more than I can Ukrainian for example (because I have actually learned German at school), even though Ukrainian is Slavic language and German is a Germanic language. That's the ironic thing.
@@wyqtor the funny thing is, our nations might be related to some degree. Romanians supposedly have Cumans among their ancestors who spoke a Turkic language and Hungarian also came in contact with a crapload of Turkic languages and people, with Cumans themselves among many others.
What a pity that Hungarians and Romanians aren't exactly on the best of terms 😒
That may be on you. My Belarusian/Russian isn't perfect, but I still understand a lot of Polish and Czech, my father (so the average Belarusian native speaker) can even freely converse with Poles while speaking Belarusian. It gets more complicated the more you go south though.
Similarities I noticed as a Finn:
Hungarian:
Mansi:
Finnish:
Négy
Nila
Neljä
Negyven
Nalyman
Neljäkymmentä
Száz
Sāt
Sata
Fiú
Pȳg
Poika
Menni
Minuňkve
Mennä
Vaj
Voj
Voi
There were more, but I didn’t write all of them, I just picked the most obvious ones.
Yes, my dear friend, we are related
1:04 The Finnish word for butter is "voi" and is so similar to its Hungarian and Mansi variants.
Estonian "või"
Also similar
Interesting how the poem in mansi sounded a lot like latin, especially the first two lines, where words ended with "um"
Imádom!!
🤗 egyedül Istent imádd!
Native Hungarian here; t'was brilliant. For some reason, Hungarians like to doubt their Uralic origin, so now I have a video that I can show them :D
It's about language similarities. The Mansies aren't the closest relatives of Hungarians by genetic. Only the language similar. This language similarities can be via word exchanges.
For example: the Malagasy language in Madagascar is a South Asian language. But during the French colonisation and then the French cultural influences the Malagasy language became quite similar to French language.
The Malagasy people are not relatives of the French anyway.
The Hungarian language was very popular in the Scythian world in the Carpathian Basin, Pontic steppe, Ural region and Central Asia even in Western Xiongnu empire from where the Huns came. In this way the ancient Mansies borrowed lots of words from the Hungarian Scythians.
Who won't finde the obvious relation acceptable ,I will help to exterminate them. ;) That doubt mostly came from the offical denial of everithing else but the Uralic origin for decades, it's an over compansation...You know my opinion, it's so sad, language relations became political tool, and those whom you mentioned thinking too simple. They can't put the fancy, the pc ant the acent part of the family in one time leine together...like only one could be possible and nothing else.
you mix genetic roots and the origin of the language
@@geoffreyduvinage3741 Yeah, the language was so fucking popular from the Carpathian Basin all the way to fuckin' China that only Mansi and Khanty are similar to Hungarian to this day, and they were the only ones to love Hungarian so much that they abandoned their "original" languages entirely just so they could speak archaizing bronze age Hungarian - which already implies a much closer relationship than them just simply borrowing while selling their Hungarian imperial masters furs. And for some reason all these other places are full of Iranian, Turkic, Mongolic, and Chinese hydronyms and toponyms and texts like the Orkhon inscriptions, but not a single trace of Hungarian, but sure, Xiongnu empire speaking the language of Central Europeans in the Carpathian Basin (that is what we are today genetically). It's always about domination and "muh empires" with you guys.
@@matehorvath1075 you understand nothing. The Hungarian language was the language of the Huns and Scythians
At least partially.
So stop repeat the mainstream fake history created by n...
GREAT VIDEO ❤
mansi and hungarian language sound so beautiful thanks for uploading and i hope can you upload another language video please of a romani dialect name finnish kalo spoken by romani from finland and a russian dialect name pomor dialect spoken by pomor people from northern russia :)
thank you for the video! really helped me with schoolwork
more of this please!
The - ven/-van ending of 40, 50, 60 etc is Turkic loanword, from Turkic 'on' (10). So is like 4+10.
Interesting the Mansi - pan looks similar, though I don't think the p sound can change to v.
20(húsz) looks like original Ugric number, I have no idea about 30 (harminc) :D It has similar ending like 9(kilenc) but I don't know what does the - nc/-mc ending mean.
100 is Indo-European loanword in all Uralic languages as I know.
P can change to v through b. So, p >> b >> v
@@michaelrosenberg3107 Or p > f > v but your example is probably more common.
The -nc ending means 10
Are all Ugric languages so calm or are the two people speaking just chill speakers.
I almost fell asleep.
As a Hungarian I can only tell about the girl: yes, she speaks quietly. On the other hand, both Hungarian and Finnish use a very plain intonation. This probably applies also for Mansi and the other uralic languages, but I don't know all of them :) When I moved to Germany, I had to learn this kind of "exaggerated" intonation that the German language uses. (Same goes for English.)
As a speaker of English and Hungarian, I feel like when I speak English I have to shout and over emphasize everything. My co worker noticed when I switch over to Hungarian to talk to other Hungarians on the phone, It's like 5 levels down in intensity and like I just took a chill pill.
Hello.
This is a great video. Can I post It to My blog post about Hungarian language?
Thank You.
Interesting how the ending of each sentence of the poem rhymes in both languages, even though they are different languages. I wonder if that is the result of the grammatical structures being similar, just that the affixes themselves differ?
Finnish still sounds more like Hungarian. If I hear someone speaking Finnish in conversation it sounds like I should understand it 😅
Mansi got alot of Cyrillic influence. You can tell by the way they pronounce different letters.
You mean Russian influence, Cyrillic is just a script, not a language and Mansi has only adopted it a century ago
There are similarities but there are major differences. Other than this fact it is interesting and good to know more about history. Origin stories are always hard to figure out especially if your ethnicity merging with other or adopting others and make it more diverse.
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Great viedo!
Now I see that I don't understand Mansi texts at all.
Greetings from Budapest.
Thank you!
wow mansi is very pretty sounding
0:58 Hungarian and Mansi words for "to go" are similar to their Finnish variant "mennä".
Jön a Vona :-)
Estonian "minna"
oddly enough the similar words for "100" are both probably derived from a borrowed word in an eastern Indo european language. "Sat" was probably borrowed from one the "satem languages" of Indoeuropean that have words for a hundred that start with sat...as opposed to the "centum" languages (like Latin and English) that have words similar to centum.
Probably from an iranian language.
Negy - neljä (four)
Menni - mennä (to go)
Vaj - voi (butter)
Those words are very similar to Finnish
szem and silmä are also from the same root! :)
Innen üdvözlök minden anti-finnugristát.
Thank you !!!!!!!
Please, make Old church Slavonic ( or interslavic). Thank you
tényleg szép a hangod :)
Hi, I remember watching two videos on your channel, one about comparing old Hungarian with modern Hungarian and one that compares Finnish, Northern Sámi and Hungarian. But when I tried to look for them again I couldn't find them. Did you delete them?
Some of them words are similar but the spoken parts THE SOUND is what shows the similarity for me. Same thing ALL the Turkic languages all the way to Siberia i can hear it especially the vowels
this is cool.
Thank you, hi from hungary 😇🙏😉
By the looks and sounds of it, number 100 is probably influenced by Indo-European "Satem" in both languages.
Hát igen eza szögedi nyelvjárás elég érthetetlen néha
What is it about Mansi that sounds almost like Latin? Mind you, that isn't a bad thing. Both Latin and Mansi are beautiful languages, but the similar sounds are interesting, especially given the fact that they aren't related and are, indeed, from two different language families (Indo-European and Uralic, respectively). I know that it's likely a coincidence, but just something interesting that I noticed while listening to this video.
the numbers definitelly sound closer the then often touted finnish language relationship :)
The numbers in Finnish comes from the same root, Finnish is also related, but even more distantly.
Interesting how close they are
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The thing with Hungarian is that you can only see the Ugric roots in the grammar and the most basic words.
Hungarian started to adopt a large number of loanwords very quickly from other languages present in or near the Carpathian basin.
Slavic: Words connected to settled life and agriculture. A very big percentage of our words in daily use has a Slavic origin.
Turkic: Some ancient ones from the times of our migration, but mostly from the Ottoman rule.
German: Starting from the reconquest of Hungary from the Ottomans the language of the elites until WW1.
Yiddish: Especially Budapest had a large Jewish community and we adopted some Yiddish words.
Romani: We have a significant Roma minority and many of their words made it into Hungarian especially slang, like csávó (man/dude).
you forgot to mention the oldest layer in our language: the iranic loanwords
This one way direction is always amazing me. Only Hungarian took over from other languages. Other languages never took over from Hungarian. In reality, neighbors learned from each other. Smaller cultures from the more dominant. Hungarian was a quite dominant culture for some time on the steppe. So it is natural that some Hungarian diffused into other languages. However, no one wants to admit it...
@ There's the fact that despite all the Turkic and possibly Iranian tribes (Kabars, Kürt-Gyarmat, possibly Alans, etc) and Turkic and Iranian borrowings in Hungarian, it was still more advantegous for them to sooner or later adapt Hungarian than keep their original languages, it was also advantegous for the Slavicized population of the Carpathian basin, or we'd be speaking Serbo-Croatian or Slovak today, or some dialect derived from Old West Turkic/Bulgar. The Kingdom of Hungary dominated over the Slovaks and Romanians for centuries, there are a ton of Hungarian loanwords in Romanian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovak, even Ottoman Turkish has some Hungarian loanwords, you just need to look for them, (Wiktionary is a good place), there are also some shared vocabulary between Hungarian and Permic and Chuvash that lends itself to the theory that Hungarian formed a sprachbund with these languages when we still lived in the Volga-Kama basin, there's also several Hungarian words that penetrated even into English and are pretty commonly used to this day; coach, saber, goulash, etc., which is a lot more than several other languages can say about themselves (Serbo-Croatian: Vampire, Hussar (if it's not actually a Hungarian word again) Romanian: Dracula, and that's it). Khanty and Mansi couldn't have just loaned words from Hungarian, that literally implies their took their entire language from us, which means there was a much closer relationship than they just loaning loanwords from their Hungarian "imperial masters" ~2500 years ago (that's when they separated), if you removed the non-Ugric vocabulary from Mansi and Khanty you'd be left with a bunch of Samoyedic and some Russian loanwords, similar to what would be left of Hungarian if we removed all the Mansi and Khanty-like words from it.
Is this not enough for you? Does it genuinely hurt your ego that there doesn't exist some sort of Hungarian bitch-language that derives almost all of its vocabulary from Hungarian because Hungarians dominated over them? Why is this important to you, do you want to posture to Khanty and Mansi online about them being our bitches or something? Do you desire some sort of master-slave relationship in your life?
@@matehorvath1075 Your last paragraph has nothing to do with me, or my opinion. It is only telling about your problems...
Your first paragraphs are just agreeing with me...
I am just thinking rationally. It has nothing to do with my ego or anything else. Unfortunately, rational thinking is rare and most theories in languages are without any true scientific merit. They do not follow scientific methods and they do not have proper proofs... But do not be afraid, it also applies to other profession. Like most of today physics is religion and not science. Most of the peer reviewed articles are also just waste... I know from inside how this works... I am still an active researcher even after 40 years of practice...
@ You're hilarious, please, keep talking.
Interesting
I am thinking about Latin when I heard Mansi. They have long/short vowels and -um suffix.
1:55 .... Although "szánt" could mean "intended" but in this context it is the accusative form of "szán" which means "sled"
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0:21 I like the sound of 8 in Mansi
“Nyololo”😛
Nő - né ,torok - tur. Ezek meg a mi nyelvunkben is feltunnek , hazas nok meg kapjak a /né végződést a nevük végére. Tur- a torokból jovo - Turha is lehetne akár , csak egy gondolat. :)
“where” “hummus” took me by surprise 🤣
Helló. A komi permek is a finnugorokhoz tartoznak? egyformák vagyunk?
Yes they do but belong to a separate sub-branch called "Permic" alongside Udmurt.
Some of them , like "heart" in Mansi is similar somehow to Cantonese "sim".
Is this the closest existing language to Hungarian?
Yes
Acording to increasing number of recearchers the Uralic Languages Family:
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Who did the English translation? That `szán` is `sleigh`, not `intended`!
It can be proof of the relations betweens hungarians and the uralic ethnics of the north east Russia. It's just amazing how those people migrated to europe for so long.
Those people don't migrate infact they(Hungarians) have less than 4% Uralic genes, they are Hungaricized Slavs. Their genetical mapping is almost identical to Slovak and Austrians.
@@h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777 Russia is Slavizad Uralic, the Russian region was once a Uralic place. It was slavized until the Middle Ages.
Russia has 13% yellow gene which related to uralic.
@@feminism8583 your last comment is true
I don't know nothing about hungary this tongue was spoken by the atila? was he mongoroid? is altaic language?
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Mansi sounds like a Russian speaking Hungarian.
I wanna marry the Hungarian speaker’s voice 😂