What your seeing here is the original version of the 82-70 as shipped from the factory. It was replaced by the more common steel bins with the expanding distribution conveyer everyone uses on the follow on 82-70. The movable steel plate the pins rested on would tear up the pins something fierce so a set of pins would barely last one year.
I see 2 types of 82-70 nowadays The one that the distubiarer can expand the length and this one I haven't seen this a long time after a promo film of 82-70
The 82-70A had a severe defect STRAIGHT from the get-go: the storage bins. See those perforated metal plates the pins fall onto? These wound up tearing the pins' surface apart, severely damaging the pins within 90 days of use. The machine was overly complicated in distributing the pins with solenoids. They were an electrical problem. Then, AMF came out with a newly designed distributor that was simpler in design and execution, but it also followed the same pin distribution pattern time after time, without reversing the pattern, like the 70A did. All these improvements came out in the the first major upgrade - the 82-70B design - which eliminated the pin damage. The 70B also had and an electrical instead of the 70B's electromechanical distribution system. This electrical system eliminated a CLUSTERFUCK of problems that cropped up with the 70A. The distribution system that was introduced on the 82-70B was so good that it's still being used today, 50 plus years later on the newest 82-90XLi EDGE that QubicaAMF builds today. The only turnoff with this distribution system is it sometimes deposits a pin in the wrong position, piling up the pins, until it stops working due to not enough pins in the correct position. A third-party company designed a system for the 82 series machines with a sort of button trigger, that when the number 9 pin drops into its bin, the top part of the pin presses the button, and when it's pressed, it stops the pin elevator wheel from rotating, eliminating the mess of pins when they go apeshit on top of the holding bin, without shutting down the motor that runs the distributor and pinwheel as the carpet continues to run. All the system does is loosen the drive belt for the pin elevator wheel to stop it, and in testing, it's exceeded 500,000 frames per stop. The bowler never noticed the pinwheel stopping while bowling.
Question for you! Do they still have anymore 82-70A units still left in existence? Because I really want to see an HD video with sound of one.. they're so rare!
@@FloridaBowlingAlleys If you happen to see this reply, reach out to me. You should be able to find me on facebook or reply to this comment. I live near this center and have taken some videos of them if you'd like to see them.
@ecabase most lanes use a synthetic plastic/fiberglass for the lanes. There's a wide variety of options. Also, you really don't want to drop the ball during your shot, but to roll it off your hands.
This distributor and bin design looks a lot more complex than the regular 82-70 and 82-90 design. And with most things, keeping it as simple as possible is the best.
AMF M:82-10 Yes it is, the Distributor doesn't stretch until a 82-70B is released. But the 82-70B does have same moves as a 82-70A except that The Distributor stretches.
Steven Hill Yes the distributor was one of the changes with the 82-70B. Did you notice the 82-70B got a totally different storage bin? And essentially has been using the same design ever since? The reason for the change was the original bin design tore up the pins something fierce. Might have had something to do with the metal plates the pins dropped on.
@htc6600 newer than the 8230s, but still old. The 70s where produced starting in 1962, with the distributor/bin/shuttle redesign coming at the end of 1964. The 70s where produced until the mid to late 80s i believe when the 82-90 came out.
I have never seen an AMF Pinspotter with a Distributor like that ! I worked on several incarnations of the 82/70 when I was younger. When were these built and for how long ?
my bowling alley has 16 machines exactly like these the amf's their about 47 years old and they cost about 3000 each back in that time. Now they are probably alot more haha
anyone still have a parts book or manual for these? I found a picture of some pages, but its small and just as the numbers and not the matching description. I'm interested in seeing how exactly the dizzy and bin assy worked.
Technically these between Model-B's is the pin distribution and the way it sets pins down, plus older parts used on the table assembly, I hope somebody soon can film these again in HD.
all pins specs are the same. No reason an AMF pinsetter needs to use AMF pins. Perhaps the proprietor got a deal on Brunswick pins from another alley that closed?? This isn't rocket science me lad.
sure glad they redesigned them ! the current 70's design is awesome.. would still like to see how those machines operate
What your seeing here is the original version of the 82-70 as shipped from the factory. It was replaced by the more common steel bins with the expanding distribution conveyer everyone uses on the follow on 82-70. The movable steel plate the pins rested on would tear up the pins something fierce so a set of pins would barely last one year.
I like the concept of the Brunswick red crown pins in an AMF pinsetter.
I see 2 types of 82-70 nowadays
The one that the distubiarer can expand the length and this one
I haven't seen this a long time after a promo film of 82-70
Really cool. Lots of years in development there.
@ratt1134 the 70's are just as much of a tank. it's the 90's (and Brunswick GS-series) that have the plastic stuff.
very impressive and high tech from the amf 82-30 distributor.
The 82-70A had a severe defect STRAIGHT from the get-go: the storage bins. See those perforated metal plates the pins fall onto? These wound up tearing the pins' surface apart, severely damaging the pins within 90 days of use.
The machine was overly complicated in distributing the pins with solenoids. They were an electrical problem. Then, AMF came out with a newly designed distributor that was simpler in design and execution, but it also followed the same pin distribution pattern time after time, without reversing the pattern, like the 70A did. All these improvements came out in the the first major upgrade - the 82-70B design - which eliminated the pin damage. The 70B also had and an electrical instead of the 70B's electromechanical distribution system. This electrical system eliminated a CLUSTERFUCK of problems that cropped up with the 70A.
The distribution system that was introduced on the 82-70B was so good that it's still being used today, 50 plus years later on the newest 82-90XLi EDGE that QubicaAMF builds today.
The only turnoff with this distribution system is it sometimes deposits a pin in the wrong position, piling up the pins, until it stops working due to not enough pins in the correct position. A third-party company designed a system for the 82 series machines with a sort of button trigger, that when the number 9 pin drops into its bin, the top part of the pin presses the button, and when it's pressed, it stops the pin elevator wheel from rotating, eliminating the mess of pins when they go apeshit on top of the holding bin, without shutting down the motor that runs the distributor and pinwheel as the carpet continues to run. All the system does is loosen the drive belt for the pin elevator wheel to stop it, and in testing, it's exceeded 500,000 frames per stop. The bowler never noticed the pinwheel stopping while bowling.
Question for you! Do they still have anymore 82-70A units still left in existence? Because I really want to see an HD video with sound of one.. they're so rare!
@@FloridaBowlingAlleys I don't think there are any HD videos of them, so sadly not...
@@NateCraven318 Darn... that's sad.. I even wonder if this alley is still open and they haven't upgraded the machines.
@@FloridaBowlingAlleys If you happen to see this reply, reach out to me. You should be able to find me on facebook or reply to this comment. I live near this center and have taken some videos of them if you'd like to see them.
@@drewlubka9689 I would ABSOLUTELY love to! I sent you a friend request on FB, my name is Nicholas Cortes.
@ecabase most lanes use a synthetic plastic/fiberglass for the lanes. There's a wide variety of options.
Also, you really don't want to drop the ball during your shot, but to roll it off your hands.
The amazing thing is that this is pre-computer.
The entire thing was designed by people.
Arabhacks it used relay
Yo!!! That’s 60’s AMF 82-70 machines!!!!
This distributor and bin design looks a lot more complex than the regular 82-70 and 82-90 design. And with most things, keeping it as simple as possible is the best.
amazing!
that is quite a different design... even the cups look funky.. never saw parts or diagram for this style
This is the older version of 82-70!!!!!!!
AMF M:82-10 Yes it is, the Distributor doesn't stretch until a 82-70B is released. But the 82-70B does have same moves as a 82-70A except that The Distributor stretches.
It is also the original AMF 82-70.
Steven Hill
Yes the distributor was one of the changes with the 82-70B. Did you notice the 82-70B got a totally different storage bin?
And essentially has been using the same design ever since?
The reason for the change was the original bin design tore up the pins something fierce. Might have had something to do with the metal plates the pins dropped on.
James Shanks yup
@htc6600 newer than the 8230s, but still old. The 70s where produced starting in 1962, with the distributor/bin/shuttle redesign coming at the end of 1964. The 70s where produced until the mid to late 80s i believe when the 82-90 came out.
I have never seen an AMF Pinspotter with a Distributor like that ! I worked on several incarnations of the 82/70 when I was younger.
When were these built and for how long ?
my bowling alley has 16 machines exactly like these the amf's their about 47 years old and they cost about 3000 each back in that time. Now they are probably alot more haha
Put twisters in there! Lol 😊
Holy crap what is that??!?! Never seen a distributor like that.
What bowling center was this filmed at?
Man... that's a weird distributor, bin, and shuttle setup. Of course, I'm used to the normal 8270 setup, having worked on them for about 5 years.
Just noticed, no pin elevator belt idlers. Wonder if wheel stoppage wasn't a problem. It was on 30's belt tensioners would have been great.
@kerryatgieserco 52 lanes, split center, full house :D that's fun.
i love bowling and ive always wanted to see back there
This is located at Cedar Lanes, St Ansgar, IA I'd love if someone could go and film these in HD.
So in the history of AMF, is this a newer machine or an older one?
This was the older ones
Is that black flap a counter of some sort?
anyone still have a parts book or manual for these? I found a picture of some pages, but its small and just as the numbers and not the matching description.
I'm interested in seeing how exactly the dizzy and bin assy worked.
Is this a kicker return?
Anyone know what the difference would be between this model and the 82-70B? I saw the latter one on another CZcams clip
Technically these between Model-B's is the pin distribution and the way it sets pins down, plus older parts used on the table assembly, I hope somebody soon can film these again in HD.
I still service a pair
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Is this pinsetter old or new?
Chris Grove Old.
why are there Brunswick max pins in a AMF pinsetter!!!
Why not?
all pins specs are the same. No reason an AMF pinsetter needs to use AMF pins. Perhaps the proprietor got a deal on Brunswick pins from another alley that closed?? This isn't rocket science me lad.
WOW Thats loud and that i cant hear that o_0
You think that's funny? AMF owns more Brunswick A-2s then Brunswick itself does.
Seriously, go look it up :)
ythis is settig
Yuck! too mechanical. I'm glad we installed the 91XL's in our house, last June
weird sound
AMF machine with Brunswick pins? isn't that like an OXYMORON?
What? It goes totally along.. I was planning to have my alley based when I’m older with everything Brunswick and AMF only being the machines.
@kbowlgod300 borring
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