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Are CHEAP Chinese Tig Welders Worth it? What's the Actual Cost? DIY Tig Welding First Time on a JEGS
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- Are CHEAP Chinese Tig Welders Worth it? What's the Actual Cost? DIY Tig Welding First Time on a JEGS Tig machine
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I have a Miller welder in my garage for ahhh like 5 years and I still look at it and say yeah I'm going to learn how to use that one day 😂
LOL, hopefully this won't sit at idle.
Can I have it? Lol
Do you wanna sell it?
man i wish i had a miller.. im in the opposite situation, i can tig aluminum and steel but i dont own a welder :( im going to get a cheap one and make some money with it for a miller
@@skgate lol wish you could teach me just some basic chit. Actually I need to get some metal so I can practice.
No pipe dope on that type of fitting.
That's what I was kind of thinking, since they're pipe fittings that gradually get larger. Well, it's nice to get confirmation.
@@cmattdabrat they're not pipe fittings they have tapered seats that make the seal.
You may want to practice walking the cup for when you are welding the pipe or tube. You can do that just using your tig torch with no power gas or filler wire.
You may want to think about getting a foot controller so you can adjust the heat while you are welding. If you can't get one specifically made for that machine from what I've seen you do I'd say you can adapt one to it.
Keep up the impressive work. 👍
@@fredshipp3809 Thanks for the tips! This will definitely help a lot. No to research walking the cup...
Not to mention is can contaminate your welds. Never use any thing on the fittings of a welder or a burning line.
Position the plate so your welding towards yourself, set the amps to 100 and once the puddle starts to form with no filler; move fast adding filler ever 1 sec ( I tap my foot every time I have to add filler) you should get some good coloring with that!
Sweet video. Want to get into tig welding as well. Think someone else mentioned, when connecting to a cylinder, you do not want to use tape or dope. They are made to be just snugged in not cranked down as well. If you get dope or tape too far past the threads, you could inject it into your line as well as cuase damage to both your adapters threads and your tank. Teflon take is okay on the air fittings past the regulator though. You can use windex or a gentle soap and water mix on the connections once pressurized to check for leaks. If you use windex make sure to clean it off with a little water and dry since the ammonia can over time degrade the materials. Especially on stainless. Keep up the great work!
I been tig welding 8 years and have never put pipe dope on my gas regulator...
:) It's a learning experience. And this is a learning experience almost carved in stone because it's been posted on the ol' inter webs. I appreciate yall's feedback and help. Hopefully someone learns from my mistake(s).
You should always grind the wolfram lengthwise. You will see the difference when you light the arc.
Also, where i live the wolfram electrode with the red end, is made with thorium, that gives out radioactive particles when they are grinded, and should only be grinded with the proper equipment. Make sure you know the which kind of electrode you are using,
The angle of the grind regulates how concentrated your arc will be. I normally go for a 30 deg. Angle. But sometimes as 45 deg. If needed.
I appreciate the advice!
A way to save money that a lot of folks don't think of is to go to the local community college and enroll in their welding courses. You end up using up FAR more material practicing than most people would ever buy to practice. . . . It also allows you the opportunity to not just try out other processes and material, but get proficient. I spent maybe $360 for the course and easily went through $2k in materials learning.
When I started welding thanks to CZcams I thought I needed a mig and tig welder. After the courses I only use oxy and stick, nothing I do requires mig or tig (some honey do projects do, but . . ). So glad that I did the classes first because I would have bought a mig machine, then a tig. . and WASTED a ton of time and money. Don't get me wrong all the processes have a place and if you intend on making a living welding you should learn as much as you can about each process (and get good at them). .
I've seen a LOT of guys go out, buy a machine and think it is cheaper for them to learn on their own. A LOT of times it isn't even with cheap machines. Had a brother in law do this and he thought it was a bad welder, but he had the polarity switched. . he also went out and rented a big nice machine under the impression that it would solve his lack of skills issue. . it didn't. He was not happy when I spent two minutes with his "defective" machine and had it sizzling bacon. .
I know this video is 2 years old, but for any beginners NEVER pipe dope welder or tank fittings, they're tapered and don't require it, also NEVER sharpen tungsten sideways always hold the tungsten up and sharpen it, you want the grind marks going up and down not sideways. And one more tip, with tig it is so important to clean your material. I'm talking pretending you're a Dr and getting ready to do surgery, clean the mill scale off the metal, get a good wire wheel on your grinder , and wipe it down with acetone.
I am a beginner here...I think this video will help me a little bit about what type of tig machine I can use...
I don't know if you can add a foot pedal to that rig, but it will allow you to vary your amp output as you move along, and start the arc when you are ready and positioned.
That would be nice. I've borrowed a buddies Miller that has that feature to weld up some aluminum. I've managed to get by with just the trigger so far with this machine.
Those hose connectors are FLARE fittings and the threads are NOT for sealing. The fittings self seal by geometry. The threads hold the fittings together.
You're right about that. Newb mistake on my part.
Just a FYI you are not supposed to put anything on those threads at all period they are a press fit and shouldn't need to bee more then hand tight to seal if you were to do that with oxygen it could cause an explosion just an fyi
Thanks for looking out! Learning as I go. :)
Nothing like learning a new skill to achieve your goal...
Yup
@@FA-sr6lx Thanks
Looking much better 👍👍
On the plug I would get probably at least a short piece of 6 gauge wire and put a Male on one end to fit your receptacle and a female that fits the plug on the welder. I've made more than one adapter that way with no problems. I can adapt to about anything. LOL
LOL! Thanks for the tip. That's pretty much what I had in mind, but I'm happy to hear I'm not the only one that thinks that way.
Wow u think it would came with the 220 volt hook up plug
Never dope or tape threads for welders
Thanks Mike!
My AHP 200 lasted close to 7 years of HARD use and worked flawlessly. Then the amperage started to fluctuate wildly and with shipping and labor not worth the cost to fix. So just purchased a new AHP 225xi for $775.00 and includes shipping. It is American owned but produced in China. I am betting it will last at least 6 years and for the cost of a 225 amp machine, I think it is a deal.
I'm actually impressed with this machine thus far. A buddy of mine leant me his Miller AC machine (older model with limited settings) so I could weld some aluminum. The Jeg's machine's arc flows like butter and is smooth. Can't really complain for how much the total cost of the setup was.
this is a great video man thank you. I was looking at random chinese boxes but I think the jegs will be better for sure. Going to fab a full 2.5" exhaust for my Civic and some other stuff. Been watching a ton of videos in advance to learn tig. Also going to pick up some solar flux type b which is supposed to be a good alternative to backpurging to save some gas. Good luck with your build curious how the manifold turns out
Thanks! I've been pretty happy with the Jegs tig. That's sounds like a great alternative. I'll have to check it out. Thanks! I'm currently working on the manifold and will have some videos up on that shortly.
If you actually want to continue getting better at tigging, I suggest you get a thinner glove on your rod hand. Something you can actually feel the rod with. "The goal" is the eventually be able to completely feed that rod with one hand.
Great tip, and makes sense. I appreciate it.
You should not grind the tungsten sideways. Always grind from tip and up
The price of getting started due to the gas and helmet along with a few other bits can be huge! The good thing is, most of it can be used for a long time. Plus you can easily make money TIG welding if you want. :D
That's true! The plan is to build a run of turbo manifolds as I get better at tig welding.
I’m looking at this welder. Thanks for posting!
It's a great welder.
Nice to see a truthful first weld. Have you tried aluminium?
Thanks! I have, but with a different machine, and I show my first welds as well here... czcams.com/video/epRxJNWnr3o/video.html
@@cmattdabrat So, the cheap china machine was not up to the job after all. Looking at the video I see you took aid from a pro. Was it your skills or the machine that forced you to do that?
🤣 getting John from "Delocated" vibes on this video, best show ever
lol
You have to refill the can. Why would you dope it? Teflon, sure. But dope?
I was once told that starting out its best to make some passes without filler just to get a feel for it.
Nice vid,
I haven't made the jump yet into purchasing my Tig but I do love the novice vids,
Aparently your welds are much smoother with a foot pedal,.
Just saying.
Thanks! Not often I get to do a project where I weld, so I'm sure I'll get better as time goes on. Can't say I have the steadiest hand.
Nice! Practice makes perfect! I'd love to do some welding, I've only barely done arc welding.
Thanks! Sure does. I enjoy welding. This is my first time tig. I learned arc welding years ago in high school and it always was the cheapest way to get into welding. Love it!
Well done!!! I have been practicing for a long time and you did great I'm going to buy this welder, thank you
Thank you!
Thank you, this video was really helpful. I recently purchased a Simner 200S stick welder that can do tig welding also. Pretty cheap, $79.00! I guess I won’t be doing any tig for a while.☹️
Really nice to see someone who can't use the tool. Gets kind of disheartening seeing all the guys on YT who can weld like robots. This video shows me that I can get into as much welding as I'll need without breaking the bank or wasting years of my life practicing before being good enough to produce something useful. Thanks.
Tell me about it! We all start somewhere. If I can create something with it and get better the more projects I do, then awesome. Not trying to be some sort of IG perfect welder. As long as the welds get good penetration and do the job. Fantastic.
I would use a larger cup for more gas coverage, it will make a cleaner weld. also use a gas lens instead of a diffuser..
Thanks! I picked up a gas lens and a #12 cup to try.
Stumbled on your video looking for a review on this welder, you're the only one so far who actually used the thing and gave any practical feedback lol.
I'm considering it because the price is unbelievable. If it'll penetrate all the way through on that stock at 90a, I'm sure it would do some pretty hefty metal work turned up high!
Would you recommend it? I'm considering TIG because I want the ability to weld stainless steel, steel, aluminum, thick material and sheet metal alike. MIG seems a little too hot and heavy, and fluxcore doesn't seem like it would be structurally sound enough (in my price range) for anything but art sculptures. Stick might do, but TIG looks oh so much better.
My intention is also to custom fab frame and panel for trucks, motorcycles, and atvs, and probably some artwork and machinery here and there.
Nice!!! It definitely has some good penetration. I'm really happy with my purchase. I just need to get better at it. I've own both cheap stick and mig welders. This had by far been the bust buy yet. Stick is good for really thick work. A lot of cleanup. Mig, I wouldn't do more than 1/8", and a lot of bb's to clean up as well. Tig just comes out so clean, you get a clear look at the weld, and thus far it's penetrated through some pretty thick stuff. A lot easier to blow there with this. Let me know how things workout for you. Be sure to stick around cause I bought this with the intention of making custom turbo manifolds and parts for the Cruze / Sonic community. Who knows what else it could lead into as I work on more projects in the future.
this welder specifically won't do alum because it has no AC. Jegs has an upgraded $500 dc/ac kit, also comes with a pedal and other stuff.
Dude's hair is on point!!!
lol
You can get by on a machine like that...
No carbon dioxide...100% Argon only...
I've recently started learning tig too...I picked up a Primweld 225 ac/dc for aluminum too...
It certainly isn't as easy as it looks on CZcams.lol... I'm still not very good but I get by... working on my downpip now...gl.
Btw...get a bigger tank... trust me
Nice! I've welded on and off for some time. Well, just when I need to make something rather than hiring people to do it. Definitely takes having an eye for what the weld puddle should look like. I definitely need a bigger tank for sure.
Lol love the video man, subscribed
Thanks for the sub!
@@cmattdabrat were you located???
Dude, you are funny AF👍
Thanks!
Gas flow should be around 2x cup size like a #5 be 10:CFH
Thanks for the tip!
When learning one thing that helped me or just made my life a little easier. Sharpen both ends of your tungsten and sharpen a few pieces. You can even cut them in half and sharpen both ends just so your spending more time welding and less time sharpening tungsten. Instead of weld 2 inches dip and sharpen you can weld two inches dip and flip lol another thing when welding stainless more CFH 15-30 depending on cup but anymore your gonna get turbulence less not enough coverage depending on your cup but 10 is way low. But keep it up man you’ll be stacking dimes before you know it.
Thanks for the help! Those are some great ideas. I'm getting there. The largest affordable cup I could find was a 12. It's been working well. I've learned a little trick to keep the post flow coming for a good 12 seconds. And that's to bump the weld switch. It does make a spark, but keeps the flow coming so the welds come out a "little nicer".
Now if I could keep my hands steady enough.
It doesn’t have a post flow setting?
@@jesserackley7332 It does. 2 and 4 seconds.
That’s awesome! Like you said just tap the pedal again lol so how’s it treating you I need something cheap to get by with for a little while, and been over analyzing the hell out of which one to get
So I’m guessing a home depot one is a better option?
Couldn't tell you. The Jegs welder is very solid. Haven't even needed to turn the welder up for most stuff up to 1/8 just even on 110v.
Anyone starting a CZcams channel to make $$$$ is always dissapointed. If u are just making videos of something u enjoy doing and people find them informative and worth watching it's more on the creative talent of the person. U make great videos!
I appreciate that! This channel has been just that. Here's what I'm working on, and my journey. And I just enjoy the creative process of building and editing the videos.
Thank you for a great review........do you think it is best for hobbies like scooter push bikes repair or build?
Thanks. It would be perfect for a hobby like scooter push bikes. Has plenty enough penetration.
Ok I'm really confused on the tank and gas cost. It looks like the $17 is just for the CO2. What's the cost of the tank and argon separately? Can you get the tank refilled or do you just trade it in and only pay the cost of the argon again?
You buy the tank, and then to fill it. You just bring the tank back, and they'll fill it or exchange the tank for one filled.
Those pipe fittings don't need anything....they self seal... do not put tape / paste on them lol
lol... a newb overthinking it.
Hi, I need this TIG welding machine.
Check my link in the description.
The beginning welds were comical...but I'd do the same..lol practice is where it's at man.. I looked at those cheap ones but I'd rather have ac/dc so I can do steels and aluminum.. I'll probably fork out more and get one for both.. keep it up man
Thanks bro! I know they have an AC only welder. I might snag one. It does make more sense to just have one that does both, but I'm doing this on a budget.
I am sure it's already been said but I'll repeat it"no pipe dope" . The guy that had to clean that shit off before refilling the bottle hates you.
Multiple times. And he loves me lol.
@@cmattdabrat Haha, glad to hear that my friend. 😊🌎✨
I bought that same welder with the intention of being able to weld body panels and was very disappointed
As an experienced welder, this is very cringe. Lol nice video tho👍🏽
Thanks! LOL... I just like tinkering with welding here there... well, I've welded a lot but as a car building hobby. Check out the manifold I built with this welder, and some of the other things I've done with stick welding, and mig welding. I'm just really about the DIY aspect. I can make something even with my lack of knowledge, anyone can.
It looks easy on CZcams..well.Thats hell of a truth sir .I tried to Stick weld .I kind of Did but Looked Nasty 😂😂.Hope I will improve in future..
Right on
Part got to be very warm to get the colors with the gas lens keep practicing
Will do! I welded up my turbo manifold. Came out decent for a first time.
Damn I subscribed right after the intro drops
That was dope
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Pipe Dope...
What gas are you using?
100% argon.
The sharper the 30 degree angle of the tungsten the cleaner the arc 30degree angle works best for me
Thanks for the tip! Pun not intended. :)
Sharpen your tip by placing it in a drill and then apply it to a bench grinder for a perfectly sharp tip
Great tip!
I used to tig weld in a argon box. There's a machine that looks like a table top pencil sharpener that will make a perfect tip of those tungsten electrodes.
Also after a while three tips get worn out and if they happens when you weld the peddles will look like poo. You can sharpen both ends of the electrodes as well and flip it when needed.
Also when you start out make a small puddle and then work your flow from that. It will help fill in some spots. Also a nice magnifier will help get a better view of the welds and use a nice brush to clean the welds.
Using alcohol before you weld an area helps too.
Stop lifting the torch when you feed the filler, steady torch 1/8 to puddle and not only keep the gas on the bead after you break the arc but keep the filler in the gas too.
Thank you for the tips!
Never have a bottle without a cap unless it’s secured or else you’ll have a rocket if it tips over.
You don't use dope on those threads. Or anything. Just make sure the nose is clean.
Try a T joint to use as a guide for your filler
Thanks for the tip!
Are u going to finish the car I really want to see what its going to look like
Definitely!!! Still waiting on the pistons, unfortunately...
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻👏🏻, awesome video, thanks for sharing !!!
Thank you too
You don’t need to dope the threads dude it has a ball end that seals it’s self 😂
If I had nickel for every time I heard that, I'd be eating nickel soup.
Can it weld aluminum?
Short answer, no.
Long answer, yes. Look up DC tig welding aluminum in which you would need helium rather than Argon.
Why to hot 🔥 or way to slow 🐌 turn your heat down,,,,,,
Thanks for the tip.
100% argon is what you want not 75/25
You’ll go really far in this field.
Thanks!
@@cmattdabrat C25 you have there is MIG welding gas
He will go far yes, but he will spend all of his cash in argon gas.
Uhhhhhm bro NEVER put anything on the threads it could cause it to leak
You don't dope those fittings bro lmao
That would be awesome!
DAMN THAT SHIT WAS DOPE! :P
Thanks!
Is this setup good for aluminum meaning is the machine strong enough
It's a DC welder. They have an AC version that's about twice as much. I'm loving the welder though. Has no problem penetrating and blowing through 1/4 steel.
Holy shit you doped the fittings
lol, yup, newb mistake here.
Those are brass fittings they don’t need dope…
02:36
You're not supposed to use thread tape
Thanks! You're right about that.
Wrong gloves for tig welding
Hey, It's Paul Rudd🤦
lol
Your grinding your tungsten all wrong. The correct way will make a big difference.
Have definitely learned sing. Keep in mind this is my first tig.
WHAT KIND REGULATOR GAS U INSTAL?
To be honest, I'm not sure. I went to a local welding supply store, and bought it there.
You lost me at ...pipe dope? Keep the training wheels on and wear that helmet. Not the one on the floor. Retired ASE Master Tech.
Retired ASE Master Tech. Active keyboard warrior.
No
Maybe
Fart noise
lol
That's gas for a plasma cutter
Thanks!
Be prepared learn your shit stop wasting our time
Go fuck yourself. This is about whether a cheap welder is worth it. Not that I'm a badass welder. Dip shit. Learn reading comprehension.