The CRAZIEST NBC BROADCASTING CONTROVERSY in BENGALS HISTORY | Bengals @ Cowboys (1979)
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- During a 1979 NFL week 5 game between the Cincinnati Bengals and Dallas Cowboys, the NBC announcing duo of Sam Nover and Bob Trumpy said something so unprofessional, so insulting, and so damaging to the credibility and reputation of Bengals WR Isaac Curtis that after the game, all of the talk was about what was said in the booth. And let's just say that this was a bitter feud, in particular between Curtis and Trumpy, that did not go away anytime soon. This is the story behind the drama involving the NFL on NBC
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What a fantastic video--Great job. I remember when this happened and the follow-up ramifications that occurred. You did a terrific analysis of this. Tremendous detail to this video--I can't even imagine how long this took you to put together. Really well done.
The ball was clearly a bit wide and Curtis' was a bit late turning his head. Many receivers would have reached out with one hand. Perhaps some criticism was warranted, but calling Curtis out for being fined?! Wow.
Curtis at least tried to make the grab, im at a loss trying to figure what the criticism was for
It looked to me that there was another Bengal making a play on the ball. Perhaps there was some confusion on who was supposed to catch that ball?
@@nicholassmith479 if he would have stretched out he might have crashed right into his teammate
To me, it looked like, for an instant, Isaac Curtis saw an oncoming player (Bengals WR Don Bass) which would have distracted him enough from catching the ball. Sam Nover was clearly in the wrong.
Bob Trumpy’s first year at NBC was the year before in 1978 where he worked with the likes of Jay Randolph and Nover. In 1979, Trumpy was the network’s number 4 game analyst and for the first two weeks worked with Don Criqui. Two weeks into the season, Jim Simpson who NBC’s long time number 2 NFL announcer left for ESPN. NBC decided to move Criqui up to number 2, and move Sam Nover with Trumpy at number 4. Trumpy and Nover were known for two things strong comments and telling people what game they will be at next week. Nover and Trumpy worked together for the entire 1980 season. In 1981, NBC decided to move a young Bob Costas up to pair with Trumpy, and drop Nover to down to lower rung games. Eventually Trumpy earned his way to number 2 game analyst with Criqui in 1985. And from 1992 to 1994, became NBC’s number 1 game analyst with Dick Enberg. In 1995, NBC dropped Trumpy to number 4 on the depth chart with Tom Hammond. He move up to number 3 in 1997 working with Charlie Jones before NBC lost contractual rights to the AFC.
Well done with this. I always liked Trumpy and can remember most of these moves. I'd forgotten that he worked with the great Charlie Jones at the end.
Great info, Thanks.
I always wonder with the early 70s Bengals what would have happened if Greg Cook didn't suffer a shoulder injury in 1969 (which led to Kenny Anderson being drafted in 1971). Trumpy was on that team with Cook and scored 9 TD that season as Cook led all of football with a 17.5 yard per completion average (only matched once since then) and 9.4 yards per attempt. Trumpy (and Cook) likely are in the HOF and as Trumpy puts it "my fingers would have been filled with Super Bowl rings". Curtis would have been even better as well.
The missing context to Enberg's out of left field "No rings" jab in Super Bowl XXVIII
Bob Trumpy was an outspoken announcer who was never afraid to disagree with decisions made by officials or coaches, which is why I liked him. Trumpy also had his feud with Isaac Curtis before the season before both sides made up. However, I thought in this instance Nover was the instigator, who also did most of the talking. It makes me wonder if he was trying to goad Trumpy into renewing his feud with Curtis.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made videos about the following:
1. How the Bengals got off to a fast start against the Cowboys the next time they met in 1985.
2. Another drop by a visiting receiver at Texas Stadium who wore #85. That receiver, Stephen Baker of the Giants, would never catch a pass in the NFL after that drop on Thanksgiving Day in 1992.
I liked Trumpy generally, but he had a bad habit of misinterpreting officials' calls and going off when it wasn't warranted. Two instances in the playoffs come to mind:
1. The Warren Moon non-fumble/incomplete pass play in the '88 WC between Houston and Cleveland, which JG9 had talked about as one of the worst calls in WC history. But under the rules of the time, the officials' hands were tied. It was ruled on the field as an incomplete pass, and even if replay overturns it into a fumble, there's no "clear and obvious recovery" rule at the time, so inadvertent whistle rules apply and the ball has to stay with Houston. Trumpy didn't seem to grasp that the whistle blew when the official ruled the pass incomplete.
2. The 1994 divisional, Miami @ San Diego. The Dolphins' Keith Jackson catches a ball and then tries to lateral to Irving Fryar, but the ball goes forward and lands on the ground. After a long conference, the officials rule that it was an illegal forward pass and that the ball is dead at the spot where Jackson threw it before marking off the penalty. Trumpy and Dick Enberg lose their minds and wonder how it's not a fumble--several plays later, after they get confirmation from NFL head of officiating Jerry Seeman that the call was correct, they straight-up accuse Seeman of covering for the officials' mistake, which had me flabbergasted to hear.
@@pronkb000 I think the issue with the Houston-Cleveland call was that the official ruled the play was an incomplete pass while the play was live. Since it resulted in an early whistle it should have been ruled incomplete. Instead the ball was placed at the spot where Allen Pinkett dropped it.
Hey JG9 great video, can i offer some criticism?
around 13:25 when the note comes up at the bottom of the screen, its pretty hard to read against the really bright field. Maybe add a drop shadow to the text so that its easily visible against any color?
Charlie Jones made a comment in the 80s about a player who he thought should've been fined. I cannot remember the game, but I do remember an interesting exchange berween him and Mike Ditka the following Sunday.
Browns and Bengals games in the mid 1970s looked like a intersquad practice game. 3:21. Both teams uniforms were nearly identical.
You gotta know that the Cleveland Browns(technically the Baltimore Ravens) are of the family tree of the afc north, which starts with co founder (and later went on to become Bengals founder) Paul
Brown, along with Blanton Collier, and later on to Art Modell. Every time the browns and Bengals play, I call it the Paul Brown-Blanton Collier Commemoration Series, it’s no longer a rivalry to me, but a good two game series that the state of Ohio watches. And then there’s the greatest rival of them all, the Steelers, I’m not a fan but they are considered perennially the greatest football franchise of all
Time, which makes the AFC north wicked great ❤
If Issac Curtis ALLOWED what 2 DUNDERHEADS SAID about him to affect his CAREER then he is NO BETTER than a 39.6. INSTEAD of trying to be SUCCESSFUL he MIGHT AS well just SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
This was early in Trumpy’s broadcasting career. A mistake, for sure, but a learning experience. He went on to become a solid color analyst for NBC for many years, calling many of the big games in those years. Sam Nover, I don’t remember, but hopefully, he learned from his mistake as well.
If I remember Sam Nover was based in Pittsburgh
Yes I used to like Bob Trumpy when he was in the booth calling games I'd watch on TV. He had a great voice.
1979 was Bob Trumpy’s second year at NBC. At the beginning of 1979 the top 4 NBC announce teams were
Dick Enberg/Merlin Olsen
Jim Simpson/John Brodie
Charlie Jones/Len Dawson
Don Criqui/Trumpy
After week 2 of the season, Jim Simpson left to join ESPN. NBC moved up Criqui to number 2 with Brodie. And Sam Nover moved up to join Trumpy at 4.
After these moves these were the announce teams
Enberg/Olsen
Criqui/Brodie
Jones/Dawson
Nover/Trumpy
Jay Randolph/Paul Maguire
Merle Harmon/George Kunz
Marv Albert/Mike Haffner
Sam Nover's "day job" was sports director at WPXI-TV in Pittsburgh...
@@ciesaro
You are right. Sam Nover was on WIIC (now WPXI) for about 20 years. Early 70's till late 80's.
12:35 is when the video gets to the point.
incorrect
He "gator armed" it. I think because he seen a body coming straight towards him. He probably didn't realize it was a teammate. But, natural reaction. ESPECIALLY late in a 31-13 game. Hard catch regardless.
One interesting bit of trivia, the rule that limits defenders from holding or impeding a receiver past 5 yards is known as the "Isaac Curtis Rule" because it was in several infamous games in 1973 and 1974 (including against the eventual Super Bowl champion Miami Dolphins in 73) where teams started holding him to prevent him from getting into the correct passing lane to make him less effective. Before this, as long as you didn't out right tackle down a receiver and the ball was not in the air, you could push pull, and otherwise slow down and impede a receiver up until the ball was thrown; and it was doing just that to specifically Isaac Curtis that caused the NFL to make the "holding beyond 5 yards rule" or known as the "Isaac Curtis" rule.
Holding a receiver has NEVER been legal at any point of a pattern. Bumping and pushing before the ball is in the air WAS legal until 1978 when that was outlawed 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. Mel Blount was great at bullying receivers all over the field and it was considered HIM that brought the 5 yard rule about. Hence, the rule was referred to as the Mel Blount Rule. The Isaac Curtis Rule was different and it was implemented four years earlier. The difference being that a receiver could be contacted once 3 yards past the line of scrimmage. The Blount rule is ZERO contact after five yards. The Blount Rule is a revision of the Curtis Rule, but the difference had a HUGE impact on the NFL The two rules get mistaken for each other all the time.
Another great JG9 Video. Good lesson in life... unless you truly know what's going on in someone's mind, don't critize harshly. It was a simple error... WR didn't get his head around in time... who hasn't had that happen before by the time they are in the NFL... and it happens often enough at the pro level. Though you have to give the instigator to Nover. He was really trying to stir the pot.
AJ Green this season vs Green Bay. Cost the Cards the game and their winning streak.
Certain plays look awful.
@@Rockhound6165 It, wasn't, helped by the fact that he made the unforgivable error of giving up on the play, somehow, assuming the ball, was, going, out-of-bounds, wretched.
Nover was a long time broadcaster in Pittsburgh, I , won't say anything bad about a deceased man but this wasn't the only time he had his foot in his mouth
I've always been a fan of Bob Trumpy. And Sam Nover was a good announcer for NBC. But I think they were being a bit harsh on Curtis this time.
I remember in 1988. The browns and oilers are playing in the wild card. Refs overule a browns TD because a "whistle" blew. Trumpy lost his mind, while don criqui just listened
I did a video on that awful call and Trumpy's critique: czcams.com/video/UDuskzYCGPM/video.html
Your videos are great! You discuss things about every team and announcer's and even fans. Most sports channels only focus on their favorite team. There are a few that talk about every team and players but none like yours. I'm glad I found your channel!
I remember those early to mid 70s Bengals had some classic name players. Chip Myers, Charlie Joiner, Tommy Casanova, Bo Harris, Lemar Parrish, Essex Johnson , Boobie Clark, Ken Riley, Al Beauchamp, Mike Reid, and a bit earlier, Bill Bergey...in addition to Ken Anderson and Issac Curtis. These are the names that come to mind for me.
Not as bad as every time Dan Fouts has been assigned a Bengals game. Dude is still bitter over the Freezer Bowl.
Drew Pearson is in the HOF. Isaac Curtis should be, too. Same could be said for Ken Anderson, Ken Riley, and Willie Anderson among others.
Sam Nover later became a sportscaster for the NBC affiliate in Pittsburgh, WPXI (NBC 11). RIP 1941-2018
Actually, Nover started working as sportscaster for channel 11 (known as WIIC until 1981) in 1970, remaining in that capacity for WIIC/WPXI for 31 years.
Nover, like Trumpy, was never afraid to criticize - even 4 time Super Bowl champion Steelers felt his wrath. His best work is on CZcams - Look up the last interview Roberto Clemente had. Nover conducted that interview.
Nover was in Pittsburgh long before 1979. He had a very famous interview with Roberto Clemente shortly before Clemente died.
@@josephlucas3099 True. I liked Nover better than Bill Currie on KDKA!
Not from Pittsburgh (Akron/Canton, Ohio area), but I saw ads for Sam Nover and WPXI in Penguins and Pirates programs during the 1980s/90s. (I don't have those (and lots of other) programs anymore so my mind's quite fuzzy.)
Off track here, but I remember WIIC played a significant part in George A. Romero's 1968 horror classic, "Night of the Living Dead." The field reporter who provided the "zombie updates" was the station's own Bill Cardille, known locally as "Chilly Billy," who hosted a popular late Saturday night horror/sci-fi show, "Chiller Theatre," which ran from 1963 to 1984.
3:37 That was a hell of a catch & run!
Especially when Isaac Curtis got past the last two Oilers defenders, Mike Reinfeldt (#37) and Willie Alexander (#19), to stay in bounds en route to the score.
Good for the Riverfront Stadium scoreboard operators!
That's fine with me. Nover and Trumpy got what they deserved when they visited Riverfront.
Trumpy hated the Steelers. In Pittsburgh, we turned down the volume on TV, and listened to the local radio broadcast of the game.
It was interesting because radio had less commercials.
I, for one, don't blame Bob Trumpy at all for that. After all, the Steelers are very much deserving of that, always, but particularly in light of their shenanigans (aided and abetted during the fourth quarter by the officiating crew) during the infamous wildcard game. Granted, the Bengals needed to do a better job during the regular season that year in order, at the very least, to not need to face Pittsburgh (for the third time that season) in the wildcard game. But, from my vantage point, that's what we get for having had Marvin Lewis as our head coach. I've long said, particularly since that game, that if I were the Brown family, I would have done everything in my power to convince Sam Wyche to leave South Carolina and return to the Cincinnati sideline. But, again, I'm speaking only for myself. As disgusting as that evening was for us as fans, there are two guys I know for whom it was even worse: Dan Hoard and Dave Lapham in the radio booth. I can honestly say that because, although I was in Jacksonville (which, for me, holds its own nauseating memories in football, given the Intercepted Pass Seen 'Round the World in December 1978, about which I'll comment momentarily), I was listening to that game live on the Bengals radio network.
Regarding the passing game, Woody Hayes said that, when you throw the football, three things can happen and two are bad. The one good thing being a completion, and the two bad things a fumble and an interception. Regrettably, that night in Jacksonville in December 1978, we learned that, actually, when you throw the football, four things can happen and three are bad. The third bad thing is any of the following: The players on offense can't make the adjustments needed to make the tackle (thus requiring your head coach to call his own number and grab the neck of the defensive player who made the interception), you realize that your quarterback is involved in gambling and your head coach is fired. You'd think that that would have taught me to avoid Jacksonville like the plague it is; but, no, unfortunately, I had to learn that particular lesson the hard way. But, at least, I did finally learn the lesson! (If only I could have shared the warning of my experience with another Ohio State head coach. But, then again, in his case, he brought that all on himself! Go ahead and complain that I'm doing to him what Bob Trumpy did to Isaac Curtis. You'd be right. And so was Bob Trumpy! In fact, I dare say, deep down Curtis himself realized that because it turned out to be the jolt he needed to renew his appreciation for where he was and make the necessary improvements! Indeed, Bob Trumpy rendered an invaluable service to his former team that Sunday afternoon, despite the whitewashing of the play in question by the Brown family. (The very fact that Curtis played his entire career at Cincinnati, including as part of the '81 AFL Championship team, just two seasons after this, bears that out.) And that's coming from a lifelong Bengals fan!)
They assumed he dropped the ball on purpose.
12:44 is the meat and potatoes
The 3rd quarter TD pass was to Don Bass.
Curtis was a great receiver that played on some bad Bengals squads. He would had much better numbers if he was with a better organization. One of San Diego State's finest.
The 1979 Afc central was a good division that year
This is what happens when youtube uploaders ASSUME that viewers all want a 20 minutes backstory to the original reason we clicked on the video.
Nevertheless, I loved Sam Nover and Bob Trumpy as a broadcast team.
Sam Nover is from Pittsburgh.
in 2011, two games involved a team that got shut out and didn't turn the ball over. The Steelers won both of these contests over the Rams and Seahawks.
Oh Bungles, at least you guys have Burrow, I think he's probably going to have a HOF worth career
Bengals
Happen in Cleveland this past season. OBJ never wanted to be in CLE. So he was doing the same thing. The front office gave him his wish and let him out of his contract. You know the rest. He signs with LA and help them win the Super Bowl.
Yeah, OTOH, he may have, already, played his last down in the NFL, after, suffering an, awful, gruesome, catastrophic, injury.
@@matthewdaley746 he is a diva, I think of his one handed catch and how he has acted since becoming famous and I honestly can't wait for him to retire
@@teen_laqueefa You, "might," just get your wish, this season is iffy, (at best), and, going forward, he'll, probably, never, be what he, was.
Randy Moss quit on the Raiders in 2006.
@@CTubeMan Cris Carter, a, HOFer, himself, said, that the thing he remembered most about Randy Moss, was, that he had, more, "quit," in him, than, any player he, ever, played, with, which explains why his legendary talent left him, with, fewer, receptions, than, Andre Johnson.
Great Job and explanation...Curtis was the Bengals first Great Receiver...Looks like Trumpy needs to be a announcer and.Leave trying to be the Bengals.General Manager to Paul Brown...If he can't separate Football from Announcing he Better Get another Job he wasn't as good as Isaac Curtis anyway If Anderson had time he was deadly accurate...But Trumpy he was way wrong and needs to be fined for crossing the line...That had nothing to do with him..Keep his nose in his own.$hit.
@OfficialJaguarGator9 If Cliff Branch can get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so should Issac Curtis.
Cliff Branch, won, three, SBs, yet, only got in posthumously, Isaac Curtis has no chance, period.
@@matthewdaley746 disagree completely
Agree 100%
@@gothard5 It's you're right, negative.
@@gothard5 Opinions, are, varying, greatly.
Charlie Joiner has to get some credit for being good in the Mid 70's, Harold Jackson too
5:20 the Chicago Bears punted on all of their possessions during a 2015 game against Seattle.
Reggie Rucker wouldn’t even have said that.
@4:26 How about the female cop holding a lit flashlight, during a day game, so that the players would see her, and not run her over, it didn't work.
She could have just moved, she wanted it to happen
@@teen_laqueefa She thought that the little flashlight would alert the players on a brilliantly sunshine lit day. She caused the collision that injured the Buffalo running back, a home team player.
@@adambaum9732 she wasn't capable of getting out of the way?
Isaac Curtis had top flight track speed and ran like a majestic sprinter. I remember the "Isaac Curtis rule" which forbade defensive backs to contact receivers after 5 yards. He was so fast defensive backs got away with mauling him to eliminate his effectiveness prior to the rule change. I recall Curtis as a quiet type who let his play do the talking for him... a far cry from today's attention seeking players.
Yes, effectively, Issac Curtis (85) changed the game. He was “Jerry Rice before Jerry Rice”, Ken Anderson (14).
@Denis Ceballos Yes he was. I used to like Ken Anderson too. Though I was an Oilers fan, Anderson was the best QB in the league for a short stretch in the 70's.
@@donparisheo Most, QBs, were, better, than, Terry Bradshaw, he, simply, had the, better, teammates, period.
Especially future Bengals receivers who wore #85.
@@CTubeMan A dominating presence, indeed.
THE ORIGINAL OCHOCINCO
Yet, considerably, more, likeable.
OG OC?
@@CTubeMan There's been catastrophic confusion.
@@CTubeMan better than being a black kid named Chad in an urban jungle
@@teen_laqueefa Cincinnati's an urban underworld.
Huh I've known Jerry Kramer for years (friend of the family and vice versa) didn't know he tried his hand at color. He's funnier than hell and a nice guy. Glad he got his due and got into the hall finally.
Im still puzzling on what Curtis did, the pass was a bit out of his reach and he tried to snag it with one hand. Trumpy was a chump, always trying to start mess.
Yea, I am just like "he actually got a late read on it, and damn near snagged it". I think announcing has always been dominated by smug self righteous thinly veiled racists.
Never thought much of Trumpy as an announcer, but this was beyond the pale. Curtis was a great WR for those Bengals teams.
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I'm sorry but the thumbnail
What did they say?
NI
The moral of the story is...don't jump to conclusions.
As a Steelers fan I couldn't stand Bob trumpy. Most browns fans felt the same way about him. He was obvious about his hatred for his former division rivals. Im glad nobody picked up trumpy when NBC lost out on broadcasting NFL games. I.cant stand collinsworth or boomer esiason either. He should have never called out his former teammate. Sam Nover was a longtime Pittsburgh area sports caster. Was the last person to interview Clemente as well.
This video did not need to be 21 minutes long it could have been done in 10
Chris Collingsworth has LAWAYS had a burr up his butt about Green Bay. Quick to point out their faults and every time they made a good play he would ramble on about the "valiant effort" the opposing team made. It was sickening. I say was because it's not QUITE so bad now but if you watch and listen closely you will still hear it. Why? Because he played for Minnesota and they could never get past the Pack and when they did get to the Super Bowl or the Championship they went down in flames..... so his personal attitude xarried over and he still hates Green Bay to this day
What on Earth are you talking about? Minnesota? Cris Collinsworth's entire NFL playing career was with Cincinnati.
Even if he'd played for the Vikings, the Packers were a dumpster fire during his career and would never have stood in the Vikings' way of accomplishing anything.
Way too long
Trumps and Nover were a couple of 39.6 guys in the booth that day.
funny enough the worst broadcasting controversy in Fox history also involved a Cincinnati team. As there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos, and that makes it a 4-0 ballgame
Congratulations, lockout, is, over.
when were 2 point converts introduced?
1994, although they were always around in the AFL in the 1960s