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The STRANGEST NFL Announcer CONTROVERSY in NBC HISTORY
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- čas přidán 3. 03. 2022
- Prior to a 1987 NFL game between the Houston Oilers and the Cleveland Browns, the Oilers were so upset at the announcers assigned for the game (Reggie Rucker and Jim Donovan) that they publicly complained to NBC and requested that the network change its announcer pairing. A complaint like this was unprecedented. Let's just say NBC did not take too kindly to the request, and the aftermath of the game was not pretty. This is the story behind the crazy controversy involving the NFL on NBC
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One commentator I will forever have a special place in my heart for is Dick Enberg. His voice always put a smile on his face, he seemed like such a genuinely nice & sweet guy, and I would watch SD Padre games during the end of his run just to hear him. I am old enough to remember him on CBS’ NFL coverage. I miss him.
Eyeluvver Butterdogsheds I agree as Enberg in Football Basketball and Tennis was one of the best and the Enberg-Olsen team along with the Summerall- Madden team are the best in history.
Loved him. Charlie Jones, too
Dick Enberg was a great broadcaster and a fine person. He believed very much in education. I always appreciated his integrity.
My personal favourite is Pat Summerall.
Oh, my!
In more recent controversy, Rucker was imprisoned for embezzling money from some Cleveland non-profit organizations. Not a good look.
1987 may have been the most CONTROVERSIAL season in NFL history
I'd argue that 1982 was worse.
1987 makes me wanna spike reggie white’s comedy sketch into the context on every single upper right corner
Gotta go with 2000. "Patriots"...red/white/blue..."Patriotism"...war on terror...9-11...Bush with the coin toss...etc...
Oh wait, you said CONTROVERSIAL, not SCRIPTED. Got it.
@@SurgingSpecs A spike that would be better than if you spiked the ball into the ground on every play.
To be fair to the Adams Family
Us Titans fans hate Andrew Catalon who has an Announcer rating 27.3 which is statistically worse than if he spiked the ball on every single play.
Catalon usually is assigned the Jaguars games.
Too be fair, I think Catalon isn't that bad of a play-by-play announcer. He just needs to be paired with a better analyst than James Lofton. He's definitely not Jim Nantz, Ian Eagle or Kevin Harlan, but he's not the worst.
A 40-7 loss can only be caused by biased announcing.
Reggie Rucker’s biggest problem apparently was that he always wanted to come off as super informative while sounding smarter than he was yet he only outsmarted himself and it cost him what should’ve been a promising career.
I think the biggest issue here is that, on paper, this looked like a game for the great Dick Enberg to call. He was pretty much the lead play by play guy for NBC in the 80's and 90's, and this seemed to be the game of the week. Also, anyone else miss those old Oilers uniforms?!
Enberg had a horse race to call in California on Saturday, and so was staying there for the Raiders game on Sunday.
Maybe in hindsight yes, but while the Browns were coming off an AFC Championship Game appearance as mentioned earlier in the video, the Oilers were absolutely trash after the Luv Ya Blue era ended with Bum Phillips being axed in 1980.
That said, why NBC didn't schedule one of their other play-by-play guys (Don Criqui, Marv Albert, Charlie Jones, heck they could have used Jay Randolph if they wanted a lower-level guy that could prevent allegations of bias against Houston - or if nothing else team Reggie Rucker with native Texan Charlie Jones if NBC absolutely had to send Rucker to Houston that week) is anyone's guess
@@billslocum9819 okay that would explain it. I kinda just skimmed through the video, so dont know if he mentioned that
@@leogetz3570 He didn't, but it is mentioned in a newspaper article he put up, along with where all the other guys were that weekend.
leo getz things done.
13:31 - The moment most viewers anticipate: The QB Rating reference with the mentioning of 'spiking the ball into the ground on every single play.'
I was at this game. "Ugly" doesn't even begin to cover it.
2017, there was an issue when Greg Olsen, who wasn't completely done playing yet, was doing some announcing while recovering from an injury. As it turns out, this would become a problem when he was put in the booth for a game between the Rams and Vikings. Vikings were upset about this because they were scheduled to play the Panthers a few weeks later. Rams echoed their concerns because the Panthers were in the playoff hunt, and that meant a potential Wild Card match up with the Rams and Panthers. Fox still didn't pull Olsen from the booth.
That is only done when a player or coach is not in the playoffs for a playoff game
@@jamesbowman8138 Olsen did work some regular season games while still an active player for FOX, mostly on Panthers bye weeks.
Didn't Reggie Rucker realize His credibility was already shot?
Deifying and crucifying Rucker in the same post!
NBC kept him on. Not sure why.
Reggie Rucker’s “analysis” made him sound like an absolute fool. Come on, man, the only way the Browns could have gotten the point back on a missed XP would’ve been to go for 2 on their next TD, which by the way, was not an option to in the NFL in 1987. So, yeah, top flight insight there, Reggie!
I kinda get where Houston is coming from, but then again, professionals know how to not be partial. I’m from St Louis, so I’ll use St Louis as an example. You would never know that Joe Buck and Tim McCarver were St Louis guys when they were announcing games on FOX involving the Cardinals.
Tim McCarver is a St. Louis guy?
@@haywoodjablowme699 yes. Played for Cardinals. Cardinals Hall of Famer and does select Cardinals telecasts.
@@haywoodjablowme699 Tim McCraver caught for the Cards and was Steve Carlton's personal catcher when they played with the Phillies.
That’s only because Carver is a professional and Buck is an idiot that everyone knows to ignore.
Very hit or miss with Rucker. He was certainly observant on the pick play, and right to call it out, but listening to him talk, and having heard him on other games, he always sounded in over his head. To be honest, after the gaffe with the Bengals, why he was not suspended by NBC, I've no idea. There had to be someone who could step in and work with Donovan.
Of their other analysts besides the ones on their top 4 announce teams. NBC’s other game analysts were Sam Rutigliano, Dave Casper, and Michael Jackson (the football player)
The 1987 season should have an asterisk due 3 games played by replacement players.
I lived in central Ohio in the late 90s, and you would be humored by the number of Ohio State fans that were upset Keith Jackson and Bob Griese were assigned to Ohio State/ Michigan games, especially when Brian Griese was the UM quarterback.
As a Notre Dame fan, we suffered through 12 years of USC QB Pat Haden, to be replaced with Boston College's Mike Mayock, to be replaced by Boston College's Doug Flutie, got a one year break with Golden Gopher QB Tony Dungy, but back to rival alumni with Purdue's Drew Brees.
I wouldn't invite Jay Feely into my house for 3 hours if his car blew up in my driveway
You can find this game on CZcams.
Joe Buck, absolutely can't stand him
Jim Donovan went on become a HUGE sportscaster coincidentally now with browns radio and also called World Cup 94 for ESPN.
He let his career decay by staying in Cleveland.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another gadget play executed (poorly) by the Oilers in the playoffs that year against the Broncos.
I remember reading about that in the paper at the time, especially the "we don't tell you who to start at quarterback" quote.
If I remember right, announcer assignments are usually done about 2-3 weeks in advance in the middle of the sesson, and in some cases more than that. That weekend NBC had the DH and in Denver we got 2 NBC games since the Broncos were playing in the LA Coliseum. We didn't get CLE-HOU. We got IND-NE which had Criqui and Trumpy.
Also for many years Johnny Morris, who played for the Bears and for years hosted a local coach's show in Chicago, worked almost exclusively Bears games for CBS, often with Tim Ryan but also with other play-by-play announcers sometimes, such as Frank Glieber or Gary Bender. I read somewhere that anytime he was assigned to a non-Bears game he wasn't too pleased. Yet unless I missed it I never heard Bears opponents complain about who CBS assigned to those games.
Yeah, Johnny Morris called a lot of Bears games!!
IIRC, Johnny Morris was actually the sports director of Chicago’s CBS station for a number of years
CBS was still in the verrrrry end stages of having team-specific announcers. The literal practice of having team-specific announcers (two sets for each broadcast depending on which market was airing which games) was long, long gone, but there were some guys who tended to stick with certain teams. Summerall and Madden called a LOT of Giants games in the '80s, even before they turned around and became regular Super Bowl contenders. In 1984 they called 8 or 9 Giants games and exactly 0 games involving the 15-1 49ers...despite the fact that Madden lived in the Bay Area and didn't even have the Madden Cruiser yet (doing his traveling by train).
@@pronkb000 And I also remember Wayne Walker calling 49ers games for CBS with Dick Stockton.
@@harrymann5523 Wayne Walker was the sports director for the CBS affiliate in SF, that's why
It does seem ridiculous to think of a couple of Cleveland guys broadcasting a national game involving Cleveland. But then again, I can't tell you how many times Marv Albert broadcasted an NBA on NBC game involving the New York Knicks and he was a broadcaster for them. Or Vin Scully calling the 1988 World Series between the A's and the Dodgers on NBC and he spent that season like so many calling Dodgers' games. Shucks, I've had to broadcast games myself as neutral when the team I usually call was involved in the game.
CBS radio used University of Kentucky legendary broadcaster Cawood Ledford to do all NCAA basketball final 4s, including 1978 and 1975 when Kentucky reached the title game. Ledford was considered the heart and soul of UK basketball, but no one had any complaints.
How about Chris Collinsworth calling the Bengals - Rams Super Bowl? Who cares?
The Oilers complaint seems even sillier when you consider that CBS' lead NBA announcing team both had Boston ties (Dick Stockton having started out with the Red Sox, and Tom Heinsohn being an ex-Celtic), as well as them having a policy at the time where sports directors for certain bigger CBS stations (Johnny Morris in Chicago and Wayne Walker in San Francisco being the main examples) being allowed to serve as analysts on regional broadcasts.
Yes. Johnny Morris did mostly Bears games for CBS, though he would do some non-Bears games as well. This included the 1977 regular season finale at Giants Stadium that he did with Vin Scully when the Bears beat the Giants to make the playoffs for to that point the first time since the Bears won it all over those same Giants after the 1963 season (back when prior to 1967 the ONLY playoff game (unless a division tie-breaker was needed) in the NFL most years was the Championship Game).
Am a Steelers fan and every time Chris Collingsworth calls one of their games you always hear he's gonna be biased because he played for Cincy. Oh please. For one thing, I have never heard that bias, but also a professional announcer needs to put away his allegiances and be impartial, which I think he's always done. Heck even in the SB where Cincy was playing, no bias showed. It's just s time-honored bitching by fans, nothing more.
As a Houstonian myself, we had great teams, but stubborn personalities and those never mix well unless they make it work and sadly, the Oilers couldn’t make it work.
That's because Bud thought Bum Phillips was a bum!
Not to mention the decision to axe the Derrick Dolls after the 1985 season.
Every week, Packers fans wonder what the hell we did to deserve Joe Buck & Troy Aikman. Every. Single. Week.
Good team .Fox's game of the week.
They are so biased for the Cryboys! Hate that team!
Browns fans wanted Tony Romo not to call their games this past season. Not quite as ridiculous but similar
Because Romo sucks!
So is this why we can't get the Kevin Harlan/Trent Green team for a Chiefs game... (Harlan was a legendary PBP for the Chiefs radio broadcast before Mitch Holthus, and Trent Green is self explanatory)? I know the Current Chiefs will draw the network's #1 broadcast team most weeks, but Chiefs fans would love to have Harlan/Green call the game (turning the TV down and listening to the radio doesn't work anymore as there is almost a 5 sec delay anymore).
To be fair, NBC treated WKYC as their “AA” affiliate in the 1970s and 1980’s as they stashed their not-ready-for-WNBC (“AAA”) or network talent in Cleveland. It may seem unfortunate they decided to use Donovan for a Cleveland game but I also believe that using Donovan for a Cleveland game was the ultimate test of his objectivity. The network needed this kind of situation as part of their overall evaluation of Donovan.
"John Elway did some things..." LOLZ
Well he’s a college announcer but Gary Danielson makes me want to jump head first into a wood chipper
11:25 obviously the Oilers are upset at you for using the feed from Cleveland's NBC Station
Do a video on when in 1988, NBC was forced to use replacement announcers due to their regular announcers were in Seoul to announce the Summer Olympics.
The regular announcers who helped cover the Seoul games were Dick Enberg (Men's Basketball, Gymnastics, along with hosting the Opening and Closing Ceremonies), Marv Albert (Boxing), Charlie Jones (Track & Field), Jimmy Cefalo (daytime host), Don Criqui and Bob Trumpy (Swimming, Volleyball), and Tom Hammond (Men's and Women's Basketball). Substitute NFL announcers included Merle Harmon, Curt Gowdy, Al DeRogatis, Ray Scott, Jerry Kramer, Chuck Thompson, Mel Proctor, and Larry Csonka.
@@bobscott2429 Al DeRogatis and Ray Scott were still announcing games by 1988? I thought they had retired several years earlier.
I remember watching those games with replacement announcers during the 1988 Olympics (which were in late September and early October to avoid the monsoon season) and didn't hear them call games. I do remember Merle Harmon (who was still very active then) and Curt Gowdy (who had by then most retired) doing games.
What do you use ?
I love how you led in with Michaels and Collinsworth. It's good to know I'm not alone.
I might be the only one, but it wouldn’t be against having biased commentators if they’re honest about their biased commentary.
Yet Jim Donovan still has a job in Cleveland. He’s phoning it in when he calls Browns games. Most Cleveland sportscasters are bad. Give me Mark Jones over Jim Donovan anytime. The only reason that he even so much as got regional assignments for NBC is simple: At that point, NBC owned and operated WKYC, but it was the lowest-rated owned and operated NBC station. It took until 1999 for NBC to sell the assets off to Gannett (now Tegna.)
John Madden always loved the cowboys and was biased every game he did with them. So bias exists and always has. I get not wanting the home crew of the browns making the broadcast but it was too late to complain
They should have called Howard Cosell to do the game you can say what you will about Howard but one thing you cannot say is that he did not have passion for the sport and he was doing ! Rip Howard
Peter Wall Cosell was the greatest I agree.
Love it"when John elway did some things "brilliant
The Browns would have been better off if he had just spiked the ball on every single play. But he didn't...
No one said that about Vin Scully when he did the national broadcasts for NBC in games against the Dodgers.
In fairness, Vin Scully was a legend and professional whereas the guys here were not on level.
I remember during a San Diego Chargers game guessing in 1979 against Cincinnati. Charger fabs didn't like how their team was covered by the broadcast team (Jay Randolph and Paul Maguire). The next week NBC replaced Randolph with Phil Stone whenever San Diego was playing
Phil Stone sounded almost exactly like Roy Firestone's Biff Barnes.
Great content but the echo and mic really takes away from it.
What did they call it when Warren defeated the Dolphins? Moon Over Miami.
That 39.6 comment kbrea all people.
For the life of me I figured Houston oilers fans hated Charlie Jones and Jimmy cefalo doing the nbc games
Led Zeppelin reference at 18:31!
Denver doesn't like Phil Simms and Todd Christiansensensen w w/o his jheri curl, I like watching old games and Merlin Olsen and Dick Enberg were the best
A couple of extra sen's.
I think all teams should want Buck not to call their games.
Announcers in football are largely trash. I mostly watch games on mute. Tony Romo is good. Gene Deckerhoff is great but his age is showing.
This has to be one of the most foolish controversies ever plenty of the announcers today do preseason games for teams local networks in Denver Steve Levy and Brian Griese for example do the broncos preseason games lol....
FOX's Chris Myers calls Buccaneers games with ex-FOX NFL analyst Rondé Barber on WFLA-TV (Tampa Bay's NBC affiliate).
Curt Menefee calls Seahawks preseason games.
What card in the upper right corner?
@OfficialGatorJaguar9 Donovan and Rucker did not work together all the time. NBC had four regular announce teams in 1987
Dick Enberg/Merlin Olsen
Don Criqui/Bob Trumpy
Marv Albert/Joe Namath
Charlie Jones/Jimmy Cefalo
The network mixed and matched announcers for their low rung games
Kind of surprised NBC didn’t use one of their top four announce for this game. For example, in his years at NBC, Reggie Rucker worked with Jay Randolph, Phil Stone, Tom Hammond, Len Berman, Mel Proctor, Kevin Slaten, and Donovan. He did not have a regular partner in days with the network
Apparently, according to another comment looking up newspaper articles about this, Enberg had a horse race at Santa Anita or somewhere close by the previous day, hence the L.A. assignment. Chargers-Seahawks was probably the biggest game of the week--the Chargers were 8-1 (two games up on everyone else in the conference) and the Seahawks 6-3, though it seems less big in hindsight with the Chargers dropping their last 6 games to plummet out of the playoffs. They got Jones & Cefalo...uh-oh, Charlie Jones lived in Seattle. Controversy time!
Marv/Joe and Criqui/Trumpy got the two AFC East games--the East was bunched together with the Colts and Jets at 5-4 and everyone else at 4-5. You definitely could argue that maybe one of those teams should have been in Houston, but doubtless the Jets game went to a majority of the country in the 1pm slot.
JG9 mentioned this in the video about Rucker to which he linked in this video.
@@pronkb000 I would have sent Criqui and Trumpy to do the game in Houston. Or, had either Jay Randolph or Tom Hammond call the game with Rucker.
This should have been Criqui Trumpy, Jones/cefalo usually got a 4 pm AFC west or Miami game, and Marv Albert/Namath were usially Jets or Pats
@@urbanleftbehind I do remember Criqui and Trumpy called two Oilers vs Browns games the following year. A regular season game that the Browns won. And, the Wild Card game that the Oilers won.
Didn't some giants players do this with Aikman cuz of his bias toward the cowboys?
Aikman sucks!
People say the same thing whenever Joe Buck calls games
I know Jim Donovan worked with Wayland Boot (Ed Whelan) at WKYC.
13:34. I’m begging you. Please get a new saying!
Interesting but I have another theory
I think it had to do with respect as in you had 2 6-3 teams, division leaders, and instead of getting Enberg-Olsen they get NBC’s E Team (Enberg, Albert, Criqui, Jones was probably the pecking order then, right?)
Understandable the Browns would get A Team because their record, previous season, & pre-season Super Bowl odds while the Oilers were not expected to do anything until their surprising start as well as the strike throwing a big curveball (a 3-way tie for 2nd place in the NFC East ended up destroying DAL in 1988, NYG failed to make the playoffs to defend their crown much like SF in 1982, NO made their 1st playoff appearance ever, MN despite 8-7 record upset SF in divisional round & came within 1 play of their first SB appearance in 11 years, DEN-CLE AFC Champ II, WSH wins SB in CA much like 1982 season)
Looking at the NFL 1987 Week 11 slate (Pro Football Ref)and trying to figure out who got what teams
SNF: MIA (4-5) at DAL (5-4), ESPN (would’ve been on NBC & have maybe Enberg-Olsen because Marino and Cowboys, don’t know who the team was then)
MNF: LA (2-7) at WSH (7-2), ABC (Al-Dan-Frank who would call SB XXII)
Who had the DH & the broadcast teams for each game that week?
Top candidates for each network’s lead games w/records before the games
NBC
IND (5-4) at NE (4-5): AFC East
BUF (4-5) at NYJ (5-4): Kelly vs O’Brien, Albert-Namath
CLE (6-3) at HOU (6-3): AFC Central, the subject of the video, both teams made the playoffs, both teams lost at DEN (HOU got their asses kicked, CLE “The Fumble”)
DEN (6-3-1) at LAR (3-6): Elway & the Raiders
SD (8-1) at SEA (7-2), I could see NBC lead team being here especially if NBC had the DH. Start of the Chargers spiraling out to 8-7 & the end of Dan Fouts career. Look at who was one of the starting QBs for SD in 1988 (Babe Laufenberg!!!!)
CBS… not a lot of strong contenders for Madden-Summerall
STL (3-6) at PHI (4-5): only thing going is NFC East… but a very weak matchup
SF (7-2) at TB (4-5): 49ers star power alone (1PM ET)
NYG (3-6) at NO (6-3): Defending champs trying to make up for the 3 Ls during strike games against surprise Saints team (4PM ET, likely because NYJ was in early window & NO was NFC West)
Actually, I believe it was Dick Enberg, then Don Criqui (who also at that time was actually doing sports on "Imus In The Morning" on WNBC before that became WFAN when that moved from 1050 to 660 on AM in October 1988), then Marv (a legend on WNBC-TV, Channel 4 in New York back then and for years after even when he was doing the NBA for NBC) and then Charlie Jones.
The question that must be asked, what game did NBC have Enberg and Olsen on?
Broncos-Raiders at LA Memorial Coliseum. Denver won 23-17.
@@bobscott2429 Thank you for providing that information. I believe NBC had Don Criqui and Bob Trumpy as the #2 crew
Can't stand joe buck lol
I never thought Moon was a big game NFL caliber QB. Seemed to fold under the pressure.
Daryl Johnston rubs Redskins/Commanders the wrong way
My dad watches the game in Spanish lol
How the hell did Rucker still have a job at that point, let alone get to work a game as high-profile as this one was? Donovan needed a better analyst than Rucker was at that point. As for the Oilers, they should've spent more time getting their team ready for the Browns than they spent bitching about NBC's announcer placements.
WKYC was then owned by NBC, so that jay have played a factor in Jim Donovan being assigned to some NBC football telecasts.
IMHO, Dick Enberg and Merlin Olsen should have been assigned that game.
Commentators I don't like? Verne and Gary.
I remember fans asking that Phil Simms not broadcast any of the Denver Broncos games. Later on, CBS made Simms part of their morning show. PS Simms was terrible regardless of the teams involved. My opinion and yes I am a Broncos fan. I was not part of the petition that the fans put on the internet.
This guy is real good
griese is now back in the nfl
As 49ers' QB coach.
Jim Donovan is a good guy. Im waiting to see a documentary about in 1990 when Pat Summerall took leave due to him vomiting blood after calling a December game and Dick Stockton had to explain to the nation why he was filling in for him unannounced the next week. Or when Verne Lundquist (his usual fill-in when Pat does golf or tennis) filled in for him on the NFC Wild Card game a little later that season.
Titans or Texas have to bring back the sky blue unis
The lovely Adams Family (I think Bud's daughter is named Morticia or some such) won't let the Texans wear anything close to Columbia Blue.
Dan Fouts should never be assigned Bengals games. Still salty over that 1981 AFC Championship.
Clearly the announcers were the reason the Oilers lost lol
since john madden stopped broadcasting; i don't care who the broadcasters are
I'm always amazed at how much attention announcers garner from fans in general. Some aren't "homers"- which is absolutely what they are not supposed to be. Play by play tells you what you're seeing, and color commentators add NOTHING, other than cliche takes and the obvious (the team that blocks and tackles... yeah, got it). It's such wasted energy to be concerned at all .
They’ll be getting even more attention next season with the merry-go-round of changes
Lol I like Spero, but not so much AJ Feely.
East coast bias. The usual .
Reggie Rucker #33 was a fine receiver!
Plus, I always appreciate the poetic beauty of someone’s first and last names starting with the same letter.
In addition . . . you try to stay scintillatingly interesting for a three-hour broadcast. (please don’t really try as your videos hit the sweet spot as far as length)
I hate Joe Buck in baseball. Can’t stand him. Now in football he’s alright. I remember back in the day I loved Marv Albert doing NBA games but hated it if he was doing your NFL game.
Lmao get a life 😂😂
@@jrgomez2283 You get a life.
you use the " worse then if he spiked the ball on every play" stat/ phrase alot so I wonder... wht would the QB rating be if a quarterback did spike the ball every play
39.6
thanks!
Being from L.A. and rooting for my home teams, I always mute the tv audio and listen to the radio broadcasts because the on-air announcers are ALWAYS biased against the L.A. teams.
Really? I thought LA was a place that got love even with controversy.
There are NFL fans in LA?
I hate long neck
I'm glad CBS carries AFC games now
Does this CZcams personality have a college station? Like for college football
czcams.com/users/JaguarGator8
Yep. Just started earlier in February. New posts every Monday at 6 PM ET
I like your college football channel
I am sure we got this in Virginia,we always got the best afc games. The Colts leaving was the best thing that could have happened. The Browns moving to Baltimore screwed up that good life.