The STUPIDEST BROADCASTING DECISION in NFL on NBC HISTORY
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- During week 9 of the 1986 NFL season, the NBC affiliate in Philadelphia, Channel 3, had the doubleheader, and had the option of showing one of four games to compete alongside the Philadelphia Eagles/St. Louis Cardinals game on CBS. They wound up showing none of them. And the reasoning behind it, as well as what they wound up showing instead, is so stupid that it has to be seen to be believed
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14:08-14:41 made me die laughing. This decision was worse than if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play.
Or if you spiked a Nielsen ratings book.
Exactly
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Thankfully, WNBC-TV (channel 4) in New York City did carried the Oilers-Dolphins game instead of showing a movie. Channel 4 ran a double header football game at 1PM and then at 4PM. Channel 4 in New York City was very lucky to carried two football games.
KYW-TV (Channel 3, then an NBC affiliate and CBS owned-and-operated since September 10, 1995) actually made more money and got better ratings from the movie they showed than if they showed a football game opposite the Eagles. There were many in Philly at that time who simply ONLY watched the Eagles and didn't care about national games, and while you by then had a lot of people move down from New York because of increasing rents there, it was not enough to offset that Plus, the NFL was NOT the 800-pound gorilla of sports at that time it has been for the past quarter century.
the best minutes are the last ones of this. LOL "Why would I watch a movie of the Jaguars ruining the franchise when I can watch that in real life"
Jaguars didn't even exist in the 80s and the players have talent it's just the terrible front office that makes them bad
The last 5 minutes of this video were the hilarious...the idea that the affiliate showed a sports movie rather than a live NFL game is absolutely unreal. And your "Draft Day" analogy was perfect!! Love it. What fantastic highlights and reporting. Your animated voice and emotion were perfect. This one was really special. Great job
What? It was just uploaded?
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You found a way to reference the Jags too. Though they weren't laughing stocks last year.
To quote the great Weird Al Yankovic; We got it all on UHF
The movie got great test ratings.....and ended up tanking at the box office
@@donaldpaluga because Orion was expecting a major blockbuster
@@nomadcowatbk It's mainly because they tried to release it during the Summer with Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Batman, Ghostbusters II, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, and Lethal Weapon II. This was back when theaters only had a couple of screens and the big movies ran for months in theaters
Loving these videos on Broadcasting blunders. Keep up the good work!
To borrow one of your iconic catchphrases, "Talk about a dumb decision".
The Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars & Motor Kings featured Lando Calrissian!
I have to say, I laughed out loud,....HARD when you mentioned somebody tuning into the movie and you had a screen still of of the guy in the Gorilla suit pitching and you said "If you flipped on NBC and saw this image on your screen,with no context whatsoever, would you have even the slightest lick as to what was going on?!",...I laughed so hard my insides hurt!
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I was expecting six episodes of Punky Brewster 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
Aside from the Puppy Bowl, the best example of counter-programming was the pilot of Designing Women, which was aired opposite the Monday Night Football (a Cowboys/Cardinals game with huge implications). It was a smash hit. MNF got a 20.6 rating. Designing Women got an 18.8.
And The Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars & Motor Kings was a fun movie.
Methinks JG9 hates baseball.
And doesn't like Jumbo Shrimp
Reminds me of when I came to the theater I worked at during the Superbowl and having Varsity Blues playing to zero patrons.
KYW was known to be a thorn in NBC’s side with their programming decisions. They were a distant #3 to Capital Cities/ABC O&O WPVI and CBS O&O WCAU. They tried so many things to get ratings that would always backfire. For example they would show local or syndicated programming in the morning and show NBC’s morning game show lineup including Wheel of Fortune in the afternoon.
Our NBC affiliate in Seattle wouldn’t air Wheel of Fortune when I was growing up, it instead aired on an unaffiliated station.
In Atlanta towards the end of it's CBS run, WAGA aired Good Day Atlanta instead of the Morning CBS news. (CBS This Morning). They still air Good Day Atlanta to this day as a Fox owned station.
@@stephenholloway6893 A lot of CBS affiliates didn’t show CBS This Morning for local programming. The last holdout was New Orleans’ WWL.
Wheel of Fortune came on before the evening news the whole time I was growing up.
@@theknightswhosay That was the syndicated version, which typically airs in late afternoon or early evening hours depending on the market (been after news here in Detroit at 7pm for as long as I can remember for example). Daytime version was different. It began as a daytime show in fact. Ran as one exclusively from 75 to 83, before a concurrent syndicated one was created.
Bro, this was awesome. I’ve rewound the last 5,6 minutes at least 4 times just to hear ya raising hell over snd over. Well done on this one, man
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I had never even heard of this movie.
Me neither. I'm wondering about the blow up on google search for this movie now!!!
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Okay, hold on right there. As soon as I heard the title, I've got to stop you. That movie was a fictitious representation of what it was like in the Negro Leagues in the pre-WWII era. The idea was that you were getting fans of baseball over football, and in the modern day, something like this would work. I don't think the Venn diagram of baseball lovers = football lovers would be so similar back in '86, and I don't think it was that stupid of a mistake... other than the fact that the movie was painful to watch for how outlandish Billy Dee Williams and Richard Pryor were in their roles.
Also, the comparison to NFL Draft vs. Draft Day isn't accurate. You're thinking of that other Kevin Costner flick: Field of Dreams. That'd be the equivalent.
Especially not crappy NFL games. I wouldn’t say I like baseball better, but if you have a 20-40 baseball team against a 25-35 baseball team, I’d rather watch a football movie, especially if it turned out said game wasn’t close.
What these videos by Jag has shown, it was amazing that NBC for almost 30 years after the 1970 merger, was able to keep the AFC TV package with all of the screw ups. Especially since ABC in those years doing a great job with MNF.
PS. On New Years Day aka 1/1/1988, KYW would again be in controversy when they did not show any of NBC's New Years Day College Football Bowl games in the Pre BCS/Playoff era. Not even the Orange Bowl for the College Football title between the top 2 teams that season of Miami and Oklahoma. What KYW did broadcast instead. The annual Mummers Parade a legendary hometown event in Philly. KYW could have at least put the other bowl games prior to the Miami-Oklahoma game on the other Philly area Independent stations (Pre Fox)at the time and then show that Orange Bowl game that night.
Jimmy Johnson's only National Championship, he had all of the skill, and, none of the luck, Dennis Erickson had all of the luck, and, none of the class, unfair, absolutely.
Well, to be fair, it's not the NBC Network as a whole, but rather these local stations screwing it up. And based on these affiliate mistakes, the networks will never let them happen again
@@leogetz3570 Let's, not, underestimate, broadcasters.
And there were many at NBC angry over that. As I wrote above concerning the Mummers parade;
And most infamous was the 1988 Orange Bowl which then was a rare 1 vs 2 for the national title between Oklahoma and Miami. KYW chose to stay with the Mummers Parade (a long-running New Year's tradition) ran late and the game was not joined until the second quarter. There were massive complaints about it and some felt NBC should have told Orange Bowl officials to hold up the start of the game until the Mummers Parade was complete, which would have embarrassed officials at KYW-TV. There are those who felt NBC should have immediately yanked KYW-TV as an affiliate and moved it to one of the UHF stations with conditions NO PROGRAMMING COULD BE PRE-EMPTED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Others thought the University of Oklahoma (who lost the game) should have sent the "Sooner Schooner" mascot and others to Philly during the "serenade of the winners" of the Mummers Parade to disrupt that and throw oranges at the Mummers in retaliation for what they did. Many in Philly NEVER forgave the Mummers for that and that spelled in retrospect the beginning of the end for the Mummers as the parade was done then as that Orange Bowl was in many ways a "changing of the guard" in College Football as it was the last of the old Chuck Fairbanks-Barry Switzer Oklahoma teams against the upstart Jimmy Johnson Miami Hurricanes.
it didn't matter as it turned out because a year later, karma hit the Mummers when wet snow that was not forecast hit during the parade, forcing the Mummers to travel by bus to the performance areas with their costumes ruined by the snow. KYW-TV, remembering a year earlier made the Mummers march that day because they otherwise feared a repeat of what happened a year earlier as i remember and feared NBC would actually look to take away their being an affiliate over ruining the Orange Bowl two years in a row (that year, New Year's fell on a Sunday when the Mummers Parade happened while the New Year's Bowl games were on Monday 1/2). The Mummers would wind up doing a "make up" parade three months later in April 1989 going the reverse of their traditional route at the time. After that, the Mummers Parade lost considerable interest (in no small part because of 1988) and was eventually revamped and streamlined considerably.
@@WaltGekkoEverything got remedied, unquestionably.
A couple of things need to be said here.
KYW, back in the day, had much more of a loyalty to Westinghouse, or Group W, which also owned WJZ in Baltimore and KDKA in Pittsburgh. KYW would air an awful lot of interesting programming which seemingly had nothing to do with Philadelphia, but (like Sinclair today), wound up being "must carry" programming.
Also, in 1986, the NFL was not a ratings behemoth in the regular season. The Philadelphia ABC affiliate, in those days, got decent ratings with hyper-local programming like parades.
Bingo Long, as bad as the movie may have been, was a strategic counter-programming decision. It was a baseball movie countering football. And it was also targeted to Philadelphia's more powerful (both politically and economically) Black community.
Heck, in 1986, Philadelphia was NOT a football town. Back then, it was much more fashionable to follow the Sixers.
Philadelphia would actually either pre-empt, tape-delay, or sell off bowl game broadcasts on New Year's Day in favor of airing the Mummer's Parade.
And yes, the Eagles were on the verge of moving to Phoenix in 1984 and their owner Leonard Tose had gambled and drank away most of his fortune. They were a mess of an organization, while the Phillies were still riding their first World Series title in 1980, another pennant in '83 with the "Wheeze Kids," the 76ers had won multiple conference titles and a championship in '83, and the Flyers had also just had back-to-back Cup Finals appearances. The Eagles were very much the black sheep of the Philly sports world at the time.
Or the Flyers, Phillies, or even the Villanova men's basketball team.
@UCmuq_4CsdEZlWSA-RYjXvFA Actually, it was Westinghouse that felt it got screwed by the trade-off, mainly because NBC threatened to yank its affiliation from both its Philadelphia and Boston stations if they didn't go through with the deal.
@@pronkb000 Dark times ahead, horrifying-frightening.
@@pronkb000 Actually, had the Eagles moved, according to a blurb in USA TODAY that came out after the fact the Jets instead of moving to The Meadowlands would have moved to Philly to replace the Eagles. What I think would have actually happened, however, is the group that would have moved the Eagles to Phoenix would have instead bought the Jets and moved them to Phoenix and Leon Hess, then the Jets owner, would have taken over the Eagles in a franchise swap that would have kept the Eagles in Philly. In that scenario, the Jets likely move to the AFC West and the Chiefs likely move to the AFC Central with the East having only four teams.
That's nothing! Remember back on September 2020 when FOX couldn't air ANY College Football games because COVID halted all the conferences that FOX had the rights to, so they aired movies all day. What was their first movie they aired at 12 Noon? Days Of Thunder! A FRIGGIN' NASCAR MOVIE against COLLEGE FOOTBALL airing on ABC! That's dumb.
Go figure ... channel 29 showed a football game LONG before they became the FOX affiliate (and now they show most Eagles games).
For the record, channel 29's airing of this NBC game took place three and a half weeks after they officially joined the FOX network. But, yeah, as of 1994, most Eagles games are seen there locally.
While in New York City, WNBC-TV (channel 4) did showed the Oilers-Dolphins game rather than showing a baseball movie.
Fox didn't own 29 in 1986. WTAF (Taft was the owner).
Yeah....KYW was really weak during the 80s and that just proves it further
And guess what? WNBC-TV (channel 4) in NYC had no mistake. They ran a Eagles-Oilers game, no problem! A happy ending.
@@Musicradio77Network😉♥️🗽💯
Could have been worse could have been a football movie.
There's a very interesting history behind NBC's affiliation with KYW-TV in Philadelphia. Throughout most of its affiliation history, it was the largest NBC affiliate that the network didn't own and operate. In the mid-1950s, they proposed a swap of their Cleveland stations (then known as WNBK, as well as WTAM-AM-FM) for the Philadelphia stations (WPTZ-TV and KYW radio) owned by Westinghouse. They even threatened to pull their affiliations from WPTZ/KYW in Philadelphia and WBZ in Boston unless Westinghouse agreed to the trade. After the trade was completed, though, Westinghouse immediately filed a complaint to the FCC and the Department of Justice, and after nearly a decade of legal battles, the trade would be reversed, with Philadelphia gaining the KYW name for its stations, and the Cleveland stations being renamed WKYC. Despite being one of the largest affiliates, NBC programming was frequently pre-empted, most by programming produced by Group W, Westinghouse's broadcasting division. NBC would not gain an O&O in the Philadelphia market until the mass affiliation swap of the mid-1990s, when Westinghouse bought CBS and moved its affiliation to KYW, and NBC agreed to purchase WCAU, which was a CBS O&O until the Westinghouse purchase.
That news to me, as I'm from Philly. That somewhat better explains to me the mid-90 swap between the two stations and networks.
That wasn’t until 1995 when KYW-TV swapped its network affiliates. NBC did moved to WCAU-TV which is now and still is an NBC station, and CBS moved to KYW-TV which is now and still is a CBS affiliate. I found this video about the affiliate swapping in Philadelphia. Here it is. czcams.com/video/5SBdyozNvJM/video.html
@@Musicradio77Network KYW-TV (Channel 3) has been CBS O & O since the 1995 swap.
@@WaltGekko And not only, an NBC affiliate moved to WCAU-TV (channel 10) in 1995 after CBS moved out of its affiliate to go to KYW-TV (channel 3) during the network swap. This is what happened when an NBC affiliate moved out of KYW-TV to go to WCAU-TV. czcams.com/video/Z6Yj2QWgcII/video.html
@@Musicradio77Network I remember exactly when that happened at 1:00 AM Sunday, September 10, 1995 when WCAU-TV became NBC10 and KYW-TV became CBS3. Channel 10's first show as an NBC O & O was a special 1:00 AM edition of their newscast to mark the change.
This was hilarious 😂! Almost drove off the road!!
God I love these broadcasting controversy videos
From the No-Name Defense of 1972 to the No-Defense Defense of 1986
Seriously!! Could you imagine Marino with that defense?! Exactly why the Steelers should have drafted him when they had the chance
Sea Of Hands, terminal.
@@leogetz3570 Blame, The Rooneys for making an idiotic decision, Chuck Noll for being too scared to go against them, and, Terry Bradshaw, for, lying to their face, being greedy, playing less than one full Game, and, retiring.
@@matthewdaley746 Actually it was the opposite. Old man Rooney loved Marino and wanted him, but he wasn't going to interfere with Chuck Noll's decisions, and Chuck Noll wanted Gabe Rivera.
@@leogetz3570 Totally, ruined, regardless, though.
I gotta admit,
Listening to You go on that Incredible rant with all those absurd clips from the movie in the background is probably this channel’s greatest contribution to society,
And that’s quite a high bar!
Also,
Is it just me,
Or does that bingo long movie seem kinda…
Y’know,
Insensitive (by today’s standards)
How about doing one about the biggest jinx in Super Bowl History? New England's answer to the Super Bowl Shuffle, "New England, the Patriots and We" which was a massively cringey-even-by-80s-standards diss track that sang about how the Pats were going to destroy the greatest defense in pro football history in Super Bowl XX.
But I know it's not their fault, but how in the hell does crap like what happened in this video always somehow manage to involve the Cardinals?
To be fair, Walter Payton fumbled, and, they would become the, first, team to score on the Bears in the entire, Playoffs.
Yeah, I feel like this is like the 4th video the last couple weeks about a stupid broadcasting move that related to a Cards game.
@@TheSonicsean We were disproportionately punished.
At that time... NBC would have been paying Westinghouse to carry NBC programs on KWY-TV.
Bills fan here. I wasn't born yet but I've heard the rumors and watched the online podcast of this week. There was talk to actually keep the coach to the end of the season and start fresh... and the players took that personally. As in personally not to keep him. Veterans were telling the rookie and 2nd year players to not play good. Maybe Tampa would've won anyway but the Bills players sabotaged that game. Relievers dropped open passes that I could catched. DB's dropped 2 floater INT's and on at least 1 occasion a linebacker made a stop and looked at the sticks and dragged the RB over the first down line. The best loss in Bills history.
I was really hoping they would show Heidi.
Yeah! If you're gonna preempt a game, always show Heidi.
Or if they show a 1937 movie of “Heidi” with Shirley Temple, it would’ve been perfect. czcams.com/video/plzbUYHRLco/video.html
While this WAS a bad decision, a sports movie featuring Billy Dee Williams, James Earl Jones, AND Richard Pryor (among others) looks pretty good, IMO...
This was a great post.
These AFC teams are just competing for the honor of being destroyed in the Super Bowl by a dominant NFC team. The problem is the CBS philly station can show you Randall Cunningham at least playing about half of the Eagles drives and he is great to watch. You get to watch them against LT and the Giants, against the Redskins, 49ers, defending champ Bears, Vikings, Eric Dickerson and the Rams, and even playing the declining Cowboys you get to watch Herschel Walker.
I love it when he loses his shit. 🤣🤣🤣
The NFL has the worst broadcasting rules. They’re lucky football is so popular
But in New York City, no problem!
@@Musicradio77Network they still show the Giants and the Jets
Some added facts: The mentioned NBC affiliate in Philadelphia, KYW-TV (now CBS owned-and-operated), was owned by Group W (Westinghouse) Broadcasting, whose stations were notorious from the 1960s through 1990s for constantly preempting network programming in favor of Group W's own produced shows (The Mike Douglas Show, one example). Both Group W and NBC had a pretty volatile relationship, not just because of these preemptions but also because of the 1956 affiliation/owner swaps (and their 1965 FCC reversal) of both KYW and WKYC over in Cleveland.
And most infamous was the 1988 Orange Bowl which then was a rare 1 vs 2 for the national title between Oklahoma and Miami. KYW chose to stay with the Mummers Parade (a long-running New Year's tradition) ran late and the game was not joined until the second quarter. There were massive complaints about it and some felt NBC should have told Orange Bowl officials to hold up the start of the game until the Mummers Parade was complete, which would have embarrassed officials at KYW-TV. There are those who felt NBC should have immediately yanked KYW-TV as an affiliate and moved it to one of the UHF stations with conditions NO PROGRAMMING COULD BE PRE-EMPTED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Others thought the University of Oklahoma (who lost the game) should have sent the "Sooner Schooner" mascot and others to Philly during the "serenade of the winners" of the Mummers Parade to disrupt that and throw oranges at the Mummers in retaliation for what they did. Many in Philly NEVER forgave the Mummers for that and that spelled in retrospect the beginning of the end for the Mummers as the parade was done then as that Orange Bowl was in many ways a "changing of the guard" in College Football as it was the last of the old Chuck Fairbanks-Barry Switzer Oklahoma teams against the upstart Jimmy Johnson Miami Hurricanes.
it didn't matter as it turned out because a year later, karma hit the Mummers when wet snow that was not forecast hit during the parade, forcing the Mummers to travel by bus to the performance areas with their costumes ruined by the snow. KYW-TV, remembering a year earlier made the Mummers march that day because they otherwise feared a repeat of what happened a year earlier as i remember and feared NBC would actually look to take away their being an affiliate over ruining the Orange Bowl two years in a row (that year, New Year's fell on a Sunday when the Mummers Parade happened while the New Year's Bowl games were on Monday 1/2). The Mummers would wind up doing a "make up" parade three months later in April 1989 going the reverse of their traditional route at the time. After that, the Mummers Parade lost considerable interest (in no small part because of 1988) and was eventually revamped and streamlined considerably.
In NYC, WNBC-TV is an affiliate of NBC, and it’s owned by NBC as a flagship station which is on channel 4. They carried the NFL game including the pregame show like “NFL ‘86” along with the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles game. A baseball movie would be on another NYC TV market station such as WPIX-TV (channel 11) depending on the schedule on weekends which were Saturday and Sunday afternoons, or maybe an movie would be shown at 8PM weeknights.
As a Bills fan, this entire season was 3 years before I was born, But i do remember hearing about it and reading about it. Players wanted the coach fired so bad that during this game when the offence was actully moving the ball to potentially take the lead the offensive line started holding and calling out their own holds to the refs. The defence would stop the Bucs running backs short, notice and carry them to a first down. Self sabotage at the highest way possible.
I would watch a sports movie instead of any of the games mentioned.
I knew that Westinghouse, KYW-TV's owner at the time, did some weird stuff, but this is mind-boggling! Selling the early window to FOX affiliate WTAF-TV (now WTXF-TV as a FOX O&O) makes me wonder what Westinghouse was really thinking. I can't believe how brainless some TV suits were back then!
See my other comment. WTAF didn't become a Fox station until 1988.
@@MichaelPiz It was a charter FOX affiliate and is the only FOX station that Philly has ever known.
What was KYW cooking? That's like a station Ford vs Ferrari against the Daytona 500 or the Indianapolis 500
16:11 that must have been really cathartic to include in the video
This is not related to football but kn 1979 game 7 of the NBA wcf between Phoenix and Seattle started to 1130pm eastern. This was a good series. WJW who was the CBS affiliate in Cleveland announced that the game would be joined in progress after a repeat episode ed of Maude would be aired. Freaking Maude. The decisions these local TV stations made in the 70s and 80s was mind boggling
The, only, Supersonics, Championship.
Probably a contractual commitment behind that. They likely also got excellent ratings for Maude and didn't want to lose viewers who did not care about the NBA, which was nearing its bottom then (1981 famously was when the NBA Finals aired on tape delay at 11:30 PM ET because CBS affiliates in the east threatened to pre-empt prime-time telecasts because they had been burned in the first-ever "May Sweeps" a year earlier as the sweeps prior to 1980 were March, July and November, March became February and May was added because of the increasing popularity of the NCAA Tournament and college basketball conference tournaments before that skewing the ratings in many cases for several years because of pre-emotions of regular programming for such).
ICYAW, Cardinals won against the Eagles 13-10.
And the best choice for a game for NBC to air in hindsight was the Bengals Lions Game, that was a 24-17 Bengals victory that was close throughout.
Hey Bingo Long is a GREAT movie! Honestly I would've watched this over a bad live game.
Dammit... you had me until the end. Bingo Long is a fucking gem of a movie! Hell yeah I'd watch that over bad football!
“Bingo Long’s Traveling All-Stars and Motor Kings” was first shown as part of the “Universal Pictures Debut Network” series when it was in syndication including WPIX-TV (channel 11) in NYC in 1986. But KYW-TV (channel 3) showed the movie instead of running a Oilers-Dolphins game while WNBC-TV (channel 4) in NYC carried the Oilers-Dolphins game at 1PM when KYW-TV was running the “Universal Pictures Debut Network” back in 1986.
Admit it: This is really an excuse to show cool baseball footage now that the MLB lockout is over.
It ended, for, the exact reason they all end, 99% of the players would be homeless, without, sports, no doubt.
From what I can see, the rights to show that movie wasn't from NBC, but rather through the syndication market. Depending on the contract, the movie was probably "free" to the station provided you show the included commercials and the movie was shown prior to a certain date, plus other contractual restrictions. Nowadays, they would show an infomercial.
The biggest draw was probably Richard Pryor.
TriStar Showcase, a weekend staple of the late 80's/early 90's on the local Fox station where I lived. Before Fox Network got NFL rights.
Luckily, WNBC-TV (channel 4) in NYC did survive the football game instead of showing a movie. The Jets were played back in 1986 when an NBC affiliate carried instead of showing a baseball movie with Richard Pryor.
BINGO!!!! We have a winner!
KYW sold the 1:00 NFL rights and, by airing a movie whose syndex (syndication exclusivity) rights it already had for the Philly market (it had already aired "Bingo Long" a few months earlier... KYW got to pocket all the money instead of having to shell out some of the cash to purchase or produce other programming.
What were they thinking? They weren't thinking of how to counter-program in a way that would make the most sense. They were thinking of how to pocket the most $$$$$.
@@MikeHL78 So WNBC-TV (channel 4) in New York City did ran a football game instead of showing “Bingo Long’s Traveling All-Stars and Motor Kings” while other stations in NYC like WPIX-TV (channel 11) and WOR-TV (channel 9) ran a baseball movie. This was the Philly market, not New York.
@@fromthehaven94 And then came the “Universal Pictures Debut Network” where they were showing “Bingo Long’s Traveling All-Stars And Motor Kings” on there as part of a weekend staple of movies.
So this station deciding not to air a game reminds me of something from the 1998 season. For the classic NFC championship game between the Vikings and Falcons, we would have watched it on our local Fox station WCCU channel 27 out of Champaign Illinois. For some reason, the station was not broadcasting all day, I'm guessing technical difficulties, and I mean literally all day. I don't think we ever got a reason for this, or even a rebroadcast later in the week. Was wondering if you had any info on this
Funny thing is that I was at the Bengals/Lions game.
Was it as bad as Jaguar said?
@@northstarpokeshipper2148 Actually it was 24-17 Bengals. If I remember right (I was only 8 at the time), the Lions had an opportunity to tie the game, but they turned the ball over on downs somewhere near midfield.
The thing I remember the most was that there were actually scalpers outside the Silverdome, trying to sell tickets to a game that had a minimum of 30,000 seats available.
It could be worse…they could have shown Heidi!
Would have been good counter programing actually
Didn't KYW make a similar decision in 1989? The Eagles played San Diego at 4:00 on WCAU, and NBC had the doubleheader. KYW didn't show a 4:00 game, I think they showed a Bob Uecker special instead.
If that 4 NBC game got bumped to WTXF, the station would have had to either join Fox programming in progress or delay Fox programming til 11PM
@@Matthew6248 Fox didn’t have any NFL rights in 1989. Fox took over the NFC programming in 1994.
i remember the 86 Jets. Right around week 9 I was saying "Jets, Super Bowl baby!" Ya right. Lots of empty seats in St.Louis, Arizona bound.
Charley Steiner, total jinx.
I mean, heck, instead of competing against live football with a sports movie, maybe KYW should air a block of anime (unless it’s Haikyuu!! or Kuroko’s Basketball), but it wouldn’t be too mainstream.
KYW (the then NBC affiliate in Philadelphia) could have counterprogrammed with a romance movie.
This would be even more understandable second half of 70s early 80s. For pregame you had to listen to Bryant Gumbel speak in monotone reading game predictions and pregame analysis from a fake computer called "stats". That sounds so much more interesting than hearing the CBS crew banter with Jimmy the Greek right? ummm hell no.
9:30 That was KYW at the time. They had quite a quirky management team for many years when it came to programming. As a Westinghouse Group W station at the time, this practice lasted since Group W bought the station back in 1965, up to it's merger with CBS in 1995, when the station finally aired the full CBS schedule as NBC bought channel 10. (WPVI channel 6 did the same until it's sale to Disney in 1996, thus airing the full ABC schedule). They somehow had the power to preempt NBC shows, especially the daytime shows. Many game shows and sitcom reruns weren't shown, so they rather air local news, syndicated, reruns of old shows like Marcus Welby, and talk shows, and the preempted NBC shows wound up on UHF stations (three of them aired NBC shows at different times: 17, 29 and 48). In fact, the summer of 1980 was the worst of all. The entire NBC daytime lineup from 10AM to 1PM was preempted in favor of syndicated shows produced by Group W, and a news/talk show hosted by Maury Povich called AM/PM. Ratings? Don't ask! By September that year, a rearrangement was forced to move the talk show to 10AM as People Are Talking, bringing back an hour of NBC shows at 11, and restoring the 12 o'clock news. And 29 soon would air the 10 o'clock hour of NBC shows, in fact, the ones that replaced daytime Letterman (Las Vegas Gambit and Blockbusters). Group W did this on their own stations across the country. And later in the 80's the 3 o'clock hour KYW had other offerings like reruns of Hawaii Five O or Hour Magazine because of the top rated General Hospital on ABC.
I grew up in the Bay Area in the 70s and 80s. Group W was also the owner of our CBS affiliate KPIX 5. Thankfully Group W didn't mess with the CBS Sports NFL schedule on Sundays or the college football bowl games CBS had the rights to (as far as I recall) but for many years the Price is Right game show with Bob Barker, one of CBS's biggest hits, was pre-empted for our version of the "People are Talking" local talk show, and the rights passed on to one of the local UHF stations. For a few years, KPIX was also the flagship station for Oakland A's baseball, and some CBS shows got bumped, but that didn't present a major issue as I recall. Group W ended up BUYING CBS in 1995 and that's a whole different can of worms
In New York City, WNBC-TV (channel 4) is owned by NBC and they did aired the NFL game rather than airing a movie. WNBC-TV is a flagship of NBC.
I remember this. It would have happened again in Week 3 of the 1987 season were it not for the strike. Apparently, back then out-of-town games on KYW-TV opposite the Eagles did so poorly they could not get ANY advertising AT ALL for those games and would have lost a considerable sum of money. They made more money doing what they did and actually got better ratings back then.
It also had to do with the fact the NFL back then was NOT the 800-pound gorilla of sports it is today,
13 minutes into the video, and I'm still waiting for the stupid decision.
If Fox replaced a Bears vs Lions game with a repeat of last year's Puppy Bowl, would anyone notice? 😅
Have you ever considered doing a video about Monday Night Football blackouts? I know of one that occurred in the 1980's that effected programming for Southern and Eastern Ontario as well as Western New York because a Buffalo Bills game was blacked out. I used to but now I can not find the video clip of the 'Programme Notice' provided by the Global Television Network in Toronto. What fascinates me is what was considered alternate programming for something like that?
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Crazy to think about how NBC had an entire conference package for a long time
lmao at ABC
No one cares about Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, Ion, The CW, etc.
Not for anything, Baseball was still a popular televised sport in 1986. Why? There still wasn’t as many televised games on as there was even 5, 10, 15 years later. I’m not arguing that you’re wrong, not in the least bit. You pointed out it wasn’t even it’s premiere on the network. The movie has a strong Black cast, that was extremely well known. That said, I still wouldn’t have aired that over an NFL game in of all cities Philadelphia. Top 5 in the country, the network had to request that stations GM be fired.
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This decision was almost as dumb as no one choosing to televise the Chargers vs. Giants at Shea in ‘75; the last non televised NFL game
Have you done a video on this? It's like NBC and CBS both decided to... well, you know.
That game was on a Saturday (November 1, 1975) and was a result of The Jets and Giants not being able to play home games at Shea until the Mets and Yankees (who also both played at Shea that year) ended their seasons. The game was a sellout, so it could have been televised in New York, but the Giants likely didn't want to upset local college programs by airing it opposite their games. The Chargers likely did not want to have to send a local broadcast crew 3,000 miles to do a game that would have aired at 10:00 AM local time on a Saturday.
That baseball movie would have taken two hours to show. What did KYW air an hour before the Jets-Seahawks game?
The listings had it 2 so looks like they had something on after NFL 86
@@mgb4692 Yeah, between that and the movie in the 1 pm hour, probably some other local programming.
Luckily, WNBC-TV (channel 4) in New York City did aired the Oilers-Dolphins game before the Jets-Seahawks game, and it was part of the double header. KYW-TV (channel 3) in Philadelphia, PA did aired “Bingo King’s Traveling All-Stars And Motor Kings” at 2PM after a local programming, and then aired the Jets-Seahawks game while WTAF-TV (channel 29) carried the Oilers-Dolphins game from NBC.
It should be noted that the NFL was not quite the ratings juggernaut it's been for the past 20 years in 1986. The early-to-mid-'80s were considered a malaise for the NFL, after it had overtaken MLB as the #1 sport in the '70s. Ratings were down (bottoming out in 1984), there were Sports Illustrated cover articles asking what was wrong with the league, the stars of the '70s were gone and the big stars of the '80s hadn't all overtaken them yet, Howard Cosell famously declared that the league had become "a malignant bore" and quit Monday Night Football at the end of 1983. And as you can see in that article, a MNF game went up against Game 7 of the World Series (thanks to a rainout on Sunday night) and got creamed. It doesn't justify the decision by KYW, but it was a very different time.
The SI cover you're probably referring to is from the December 12, 1983 issue featuring Jim Brown in a #32 Los Angeles Raiders uniform. "You serious? A Comeback at 47? HEY! You're Just What The Borrr-ing NFL Needs!"
@@bobscott2429 Yeah, things were turning around a bit in '86--it was really that '83 period where things looked relatively bleak. Almost all of the '70s stars were done or about done, and the big '80s QBs weren't established yet. Joe Montana had won a Super Bowl but then fell to 3-6 in '82 so for all we knew he was a 1-year wonder. Marino was a rookie. Elway wasn't around yet.
Oh, and the USFL didn't exactly help matters, either.
I really don’t think this decision was that terrible. The NFL was not the juggernaut that it is now back then.
Well, at least Lando Calrissian was in it!! Wow... "selling the rights to another station", that's just... wow.
Not to mention Lord Vader!
And Tyrone Washington (Stan Shaw), I'd have shown that (Company C) instead
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That's Group W for you they and NBC especially in Philadelphia have a bitter taste as a result of a trade with NBC for the NBC owned station in Cleveland and Group W did not like how the trade worked out and the funny thing is that NBC threatened to pull their affiliation if Group W didn't agree to the trade (eventually the trade was reversed but the damage had already been done and it wasn't until the 1994 affiliation switches and a deal between CBS and NBC over their stations in Miami, Denver and Salt Lake City that resulted in NBC owning Ch.10 in Philadelphia (from CBS) and CBS moving to Ch. 3 in Philadelphia and Group W eventually cutting a group wide deal with CBS to switch all of their stations to CBS (it kept CBS on Group W stations in San Francisco and Pittsburgh but it was the final nail in the NBC and Group W feud as NBC lost their longtime affiliate in Boston to CBS as a result and in a related deal that came out of the FOX New World deal CBS was heavily wowing the Scripps-Howard stations in Cleveland and Detroit to join CBS prompting Scripps-Howard to cut a new deal with ABC to keep their stations in Cleveland and Detroit and as part of the deal Group W was going to end up losing the ABC affiliation in Baltimore so that along with the deal with CBS that saw NBC lose Group W stations to CBS in Philadelphia and Boston but Group W gained the CBS affiliation in Baltimore as well as Scripps-Howard stole the ABC affiliation in Baltimore from Group W (and sure Group W could have just took NBC in Baltimore but with the FOX deals going on as well and sales and swaps of stations between CBS and NBC in Miami, Denver and Salt Lake City the Group W deal coupled with the Scripps-Howard deal with ABC allowed Group W to not only switch their Philadelphia, Boston and Baltimore stations to CBS it allowed Group W to keep their stations in Pittsburgh and San Francisco with CBS and eventually Group W bought CBS) and today Eagles games air on Ch. 29 in Philadelphia as Fox has the NFC rights and as was the case during the NBC days Ch. 3 only shows Eagles games when they host an AFC team (Ch. 10 now only get the Sunday night games)
Here in New York City, WNBC-TV (channel 4) aired “Bingo Long’s Traveling All-Stars and Motor Kings” at 8PM or so after the game. But I don’t recall an NBC affiliate in New York ran the movie, but they aired the Jets game depending in your area.
Keep in mind, that independent stations like WPIX-TV (channel 11) back in 1986 did ran a marathon of movies on Sundays.
Back then, KYW Channel 3 was the NBC Philadelphia. According to archives, the Dolphins/Oilers aired to most of the country at 1pm. I remember Bob Trumpy called the Dolphins/Oilers game with Len Berman filling in for Don Criqui that week. I would believe Dick Enberg and Merlin Olsen called the Jets/Seahawks game. Marv Albert and Bob Griese did Broncos/Raiders, and I would think since Charlie Jones and Jimmy Cefalo who usually called 4pm AFC West games did Chiefs/Chargers. I would think Reggie Rucker would have called one of the 1pm games. Gary Gerould and Butch Johnson called Bengals/Lions. I would think Dave Rowe would call a game. And I know Steve Grad and Sam Rutigliano did Bills/Buccaneers
WNBC-TV (channel 4) in New York City luckily carried the Oilers-Dolphins game at 1PM and the Jets-Seahawks game at 4PM which got better ratings while in Philadelphia’s KYW-TV (channel 3) didn’t do well, due to the Oilers-Dolphins being moved to WTAF-TV (channel 29) while channel 3 ran a classic baseball movie. But New York City was different.
@@Musicradio77Network I think because the Dolphins had Dan Marino. NBC just decided to make the Dolphins/Oilers the game that most of the country saw. In Boston where I live, WBZ also carried Dolphins/Oilers. Now both WBZ and KYW are CBS affiliates. I also mentioned Len Berman called the Dolphins/Oilers game that week. Berman was a sportscaster for both WBZ and WNBC.
Oddly enough, I now want to watch Bing Long and whatever.
For the record, at the time in 1986, channel 29 in Philly was WTAF, a UHF station owned by Taft Broadcasting, which went out over the air and was carried by many area cable companies. In 1988 it became WTXF, owned by Fox, which it remains to date.
WTXF-TV didn't become a FOX O&O until '94. The Paramount Stations Group (folded into what's now CBS Television Stations) owned the station for a few years before that, which is why the station nearly became Philly's UPN outlet.
@@marcus813 Thanks for the correction. So the station was just a Fox affiliate before becoming an O&O.
@@MichaelPiz That's right. It was one of the biggest FOX stations that FOX Television Stations didn't own during that period.
You sure that was water you were drinking
And was that only a sip? Or an IV?
@@bobscott2429, exactly
@@scottybbadd You never know when JG9 will go nuclear, or in an earlier video regarding the timeout f'up in the 1984 Cards-Colts game, "go UrinatingTree level." Maybe there should be a disclaimer saying JG9 MELTDOWN ALERT. On the other hand....nah.
@@bobscott2429, good point, UTree level.
in 1986, Channel 29 in Philadelphia was a UHF station. The following year, in 1987, the network became the new FOX station as the FOX TV Network had been launched. in 1995, KYW and WCAU switched affiliates with KYW becoming CBS and WCAU becoming NBC.
That was at the time, WNEW-TV (channel 5) launched the Fox TV Network and the call letters was changed to WNYW-TV that same year, and WTAF-TV (channel 29) was also launched the Fox Network a year later in 1987 as WTXF-TV.
The FOX Broadcast network actually began in September 1986 with the launch of their first program, "The Joan Rivers Show" which aired in late night.
Well, unfortunately there wasn't a new version of "Heidi" that they could air. 😁
Haaaaaaaa! I remember this movie. Lol when I got back from England in ‘91 we had no cable for about a week. And with the antenna we picked up tbs and this movie was on. Second time I had seen billy dee williams as someone other than lando callris-(or however you spell it.) His role in Mahogany being the first. Lol
Did you see him in Brian's Song? (1971, as Gale Sayers)
@@bobscott2429 no. I actually had never took the time. And in ‘91 I was 14.
The only way a station can sell airing the game to another station is if they both were owned by the same company.
Here's the problem: they weren't. KYW was owned by Westinghouse and WTAF (now WTXF, a Fox O&O station) was owned by Taft Broadcasting. So this makes zero sense whatsoever that a NBC station in the fourth largest market in the country would give away airing an NFL game to an independent w/o them being sister stations.
Yeah, I was actually wondering that (same ownership). The downside of "same ownership" is that our local FOX and CBS stations here in Indianapolis are owned by the same parent company, so if that company can't reach a deal with a provider, then both stations get blacked out with that provider. And that always seems to happen right around the beginning of football season
@@leogetz3570 Oof, that's REALLY has to suck.
@@hankarmas Well, not for me because I always had a powerful enough antenna on stand by just in case. And "over the air" signals are FREE!!!
Back then, duopolies didn’t really exist. Networks that would have programming preempted by affiliates could shop around independent TV stations in the same market to show their programming. Before the 90s, this mostly happened with network daytime programming like game shows and soap operas where affiliates would show syndicated or local programming over network programming. KYW’s owner Westinghouse was notorious for this with their NBC affiliates KYW and WBZ in Boston.
@@leogetz3570 Interesting. Speaking of same ownership is the local Fox Indianapolis newscasts also produced by the CBS Indy station?
That decision was worse than if they did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every play
Bingo Long is a great movie....with a great cast. Richard Pryor, James Earl Jones Billy Dee Williams
Yes it was, it was the movie to be shown on TV as part of the “Universal Pictures Debut Network” feature. WPIX-TV (channel 11) ran 1976 baseball film on the “Sunday Afternoon Movie” while WNBC-TV (channel 4) had the Oilers-Dolphins game running without any changes.
The strangest part of this story is that Philly airs things on Channel 3. That's the channel you turned your TV to so you could play Atari or Nintendo. Who airs anything on Channel 3???
The video adapters of the period had a 3-4 switch on them, so if 3 was a broadcast station in your area, you would play Atari on channel 4.
10:57 so they showed a Tank Bowl?!?! Geez.
13:40 I RATHER HAVE THE TANK BOWL!!!
It's not just *any* Tank Bowl - it's a SUPER TANK BOWL!
*air raid sirens*
*EXPLOSIONS*
*ROUNDBALL ROCK*
Do a video about what TV crews call Cowboys games.
Seeing that was a relatively star-studded cast (Billy Dee Williams, James Earl Jones, Richard Pryor) maybe they thought that would just as good as the bleh they'd be stuck with at 1. Note the best game in that slot, from a TV standpoint, was Cowboys/Giants on CBS which they'd be cut off from anyway.
At least show Blazing Saddles (Pryor screenwrote) or Boys In Company C (Stan Shaw), Bingo Long was a decent movie with a ridiculously long title, which is why it took 30 years to catch on, that'd be like calling DS9 'The Battles of Starfleet and the United Federation of Planets on a Space Station'
Speaking of which, even, though, DS9, was, "Alice In Space," it, was, way, better, than, the obscenely overrated atrocity that, was, STTNG, that, was, popular, for, "reasons," that I will, never, truly, understand, period.
Damn! Quite a lot of teams sucked in '86. I don't blame Channel 3 at all for that 1 PM time slot
I have more questions about how did this movie got made
The worst thing is, that they didn’t even save any money by showing this. If they would have saved let’s say 50k by showing this, I would have got it, but that was not the case.
Chill with the titles my man 😂😂 can’t even keep track of what’s what they all blend together as well
14:19 anyone else picturing Bruce Wayne in The Lego Batman Movie doing a spit take?
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Just call 1-888-D-I-V-O-R-C-E (Tammy Wynette reference)
I gotta see that movie!
Could be worse. They could've shown a movie with Chris Katten (i know he didn't do movies until years later, but you get the point)
OT, but, isn't it weird that Will Ferrell's a superstar, and, he appears to have faded into obscurity, that's life, who can explain it.
@@matthewdaley746 this is true.
@@tubesocksbrigade3031 Hollywood's a terribly-painful lottery.
What were the ratings?
Do a video on the Heidi bowl
I see the logic behind it, though. People who are into sports tune in at that time, so they air a sports movie. I get what you’re saying but I get the other side, as well.
Offhand the station manager must had loved the film since they played it at least twice in a year's time.
he would've bought it on Laserdisc if it was available
16:05 ouch
15 yards penalty for taunting...even though it's not really taunting, it's merely stating the facts...y'know, let me pick up that flag.
As Matthew Daley would put it, "art, imitating, life."
@@bobscott2429 Thanks for an advertisement.
13:35 Great movie. Talented cast.
The movie “Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars and Motor Kings” was first shown as part of “Universal Pictures Debut Network” movie series.
The movie that they showed was a cult classic, but still a baseball movie??? Oh that was a serious blunder
That’s because WPIX-TV (channel 11) in NYC ran the “Bingo Long” movie when it was part of the “Universal Pictures Debut Network” movie package back in the 1986, and it was the week after the World Series ended where the New York
Mets were the World Champions.