Catrina Allen Speaks Out Against Transgender Disc Golfers
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Even Serena Williams said that if she had to compete against men, no one would know her name.
Actually, many would know her name, but not for reasons people currently know her name.
Yep John McEnroe said she was the 700th best tennis player in the world and Serena did not argue
She was destroyed (and Venus) by a 200th ranked journeyman pro.
This isn’t Catrina vs Natalie like many want to make it out. It’s about biological males competing against biological women. Why we even have to address this is just sad. It’s common sense.
This just happened yet again in women's biking. Tranny won again. A large international sporting committee just now changed the rule too similar to the new disc golf rules. No matter what this dude says, things are changing for the better. Go Catrina!
The world has become a very strange place
Be careful. Apparently saying “biological male” is approaching the category of a hate crime. Strange times indeed.
Very well said Eric.
Well said brother my thoughts exactly
The MPO is Mixed Pro vs FPO which is Female Pro. If people who are transgender want to complete, they should compete in MPO. This is not just an issue with disc golf but with so many other sports when transgender men are dominating women's sports. Its a tough situation for everyone no doubt and those who speak up are often label as haters. I give props to Catrina for speaking up.
100% agree. Very well said.
Exactly. Ryan's only argument is that she doesn't have an advantage in disc golf and that it's only throwing technique that normal women don't have. In that case Ryan should be able to compete in MPO because other male players don't have any advantage over Ryan by her own logic.
Ryan got stomped in mpo.
@@mikewest712 That's the point, Ryan only wants the easy way out in the FPO field.
Yes not " women pro" good point. Really kills the argument of I call myself a woman or I feel like a woman. Nicely said
The fact that you said "you can speak out and you can have a voice but there can be repercussions" is exactly what Cat said. That's why women and people in general don't have a voice because this is their livelihood. If speaking out for your own beliefs against someone who is trying to push their beliefs on you causes you to lose your livelihood or your job, then you really don't have a voice.
Also notice he avoided it on his own in his video too lol
Exactly look at all the hate for JK Rowling ...
Its similar to that asinine buzzphrase morons use when their sad, hateful little asses attack someone over a tweet from 55 years ago, "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences". Um, that's literally what FREEDOM means. Its like telling someone they're free to walk down the sidewalk, but then arresting them when they do it. How on earth have humans advanced so damn much when it comes to knowledge and technology (you can literally access any piece of knowledge you'll ever need in from a device in your pocket), yet have so many ignorant, dumbass humans walking around?
Completely simple! Two categories: "Mixed Open" (open to any human) and "Biological Female". How is this even controversial?? If you don't think trans women have a physical advantage over biological women, ask yourself....how many trans men are in the top 500 rankings in any men's league, in any sport, in any country on the planet? This whole topic is utterly ridiculous.
I was at DGLO last year. I watched the fpo leads the last two days of the tournament. I’m not against people who decide to change their sex competing in professional dg. However, there needs to be some type of handicap or system to displace the advantage or disadvantage. As I said I was there and I watched and I enjoyed the play and I was happy for Natalie when she won. I thought it was a cool moment. That said, I could see the advantage in her play those two days. Natalie has stated in the past… “I’m not even that good” and she continues with these type of comments to make a point that her competitors aren’t that good and talks at length about all the weaknesses in their game. Mainly she does so when talking about the fpo players against trans in the sport. The power I saw in Natalie’s throwing that day was clearly dominating the cards I watched. Over and over she edged out everyone she played and at a course like toboggan it was a huge advantage to be able to go that extra distance on most of her throws.
It’s obvious there’s a difference with these scenarios. If not, why aren’t we seeing trans men competing at the highest level with the mpo. If there aren’t any advantages in trans women then the principal would convert the other way around, but it doesn’t. A trans man would never make it in the mpo bc the wouldn’t ever get the rating to get a tour card in mpo yet this isn’t nearly as difficult for trans women to achieve. This is a simple thought experiment that is based mostly on logic but a scientific experiment and explanation could be created to back this up pretty easily. Honestly, it’s amazing this is even an argument. Natalie Ryan isn’t that good; as a man competing against other men but she is extremely good as a woman competing against other women. Her constantly trying to diminish top fpo players as to say they aren’t that good is just immature and very petty. When I see a trans man beat Calvin heimburg at dglo I will concede my point, retract my statements and announce from a mountain top that trans women have no physical advantages competing in womens sports
So, Ryan said that she (she??) has no physical advantage and told Allen to work on her mental game? I’m done.
Lol. Someone with a confirmed mental illness telling an elite athlete to work on their mental game. Can't make this stuff up
Nathan is the one who needs help in the mental department. He pretends he is a woman FFS.
sounds like Ryan made it personal when it obviously wasnt
That’s all they now how to do. It’s the Narcissistic personality
@@98kouki123 100% they expect everyone else to validate/affirm their FEELINGS, and if you don't, you're "denying their humanity", which is the most asinine things I've ever heard.
Unfortunately, society has fed the monster for way too long, which has caused this community to become emboldened like never before. We need to stop being afraid to speak out and recognize this for what it is, delusion.
Also, its not even like trans ppl cant play, they just cant play in whatever division they WANT to play in. They're like spoiled kids that don't get what they want, only instead of just kicking and screaming they call you names, try to get their advocates to ruin your life, etc. They're some evil as people.
Let's get out and buy some Catrina Allen discs!!!!!
Yesss
That's what's up
I have several.
Catrina is a hero. More women need to do this.
Yes..... Catrina is too lol 🤣
@@jgcalc sorry. The fat thumbs got me.
@TheHypnowill 🤣. It's all good, we all know what you meant!
LOL RIGHT GO TO THE MPO NATALIE !! Get smoked dumb bitch
Nah
We've got your back Cat!
Happy to see Catrina speaking up!
Makes me love her as a competitor even more ...
@@jaimeperry7326 me too
So sick of the argument that it only matters if these men come in and "dominate". No Ryan sucks. That's an argument in itself. Catrina has worked her butt off to get to level she has. This imposter gets to skate by on mediocre talent. He was able to jump to the front of the line. You know how hard a female disc golfer has to work just to be relevant? And let's not pretend relevance doesn't matter. It determines sponsorships, royalties, signature releases... you name it.
And a side note, Catrina speaking the truth and calling him a male isn't what's disrespectful. Him coming in demanding everyone play along with his delusion is. Man I'm so sick of these fools. So proud of her for standing up for her values and hopefully paving the way for others to do the same.
Spot on. These people act like it's fair unless trans players are winning 100% of the time. Every trans player that cashes displaces an actual female from cashing and that's BS.
Ryan should be competing against amateur men.
I hear they are making fat suits for anorexics to create the body they identify as.
right on!
This comment. We need more PPL standing up for TRUTH. Stop sugar costing sin and expecting ppl to just accept it. SRY I WON'T
Don’t be scared Cat, you have a larger support group than you can imagine….we are with you!!
Glad she left Prodigy. I won't cheer for Cat anymore.
@@bushiguy Imagine liking prodigy
@@bushiguy I'm sure she'll be devastated 😂😂😂
@@bushiguy Oh no, Robin, you sure were her favourite fan.
The PDGA survey of over 32,000 members last year showed that the huge majority of members consider themselves to be conservatives. I want to keep the sport that way, and stopping men from playing in the women's division is a great start.
As a guy with a sister that is an Olympic athlete, this transgender crap in women's sports drives me crazy. Guys naturally have denser muscles and bones and the advantages of developing them all through childhood. I stopped competing in track in high school but can still jump higher in the high jump than my sister, a female Olympic athlete.
Your sister needs to train harder! /s
You have an impressive sister, Terry. Congrats for all her success.
Here are the facts:
-males have more fast twitch muscle fibers, which results in more explosive power.
-males have larger hearts and lungs on average, which allows more oxygenated blood to reach muscles faster.
- males, on average, have 50% more lower body muscle and 66% more upper body muscle
-males have higher hemoglobin levels, which allows for more oxygen to reach muscles.
-males have bigger and stronger bones. This allows the male skelton frame to hold more muscle, and provides greater leverage.
-males are taller on average, which helps in many sports like basketball and volleyball, it also helps in disc golf, by having longer limbs that can provide more leverage.
-males reflexes are, on average, over 30% faster than females.
-males have, on average, have broader shoulders and larger feet and hands, this provides many advantages in some sports like basketball, volleyball, and swimming, and also in disc golf. Larger hands and wider shoulders provide more leverage, allowing for a faster "whip" of the arm.
-the top 10% of females can only beat the bottom 10% of males in strength tests like grip tests.
Normalizing delusion and allowing a small minority of people to gain an advantage based simply on their own subjective FEELINGS is insane and wrong.
Apparently, your sister needs to work on her mental game, accordingly to Natalie. What a terrible response by Natalie. Narcissistic bully.
@@undeadarmy19 has this post been peer reviewed?
It's amazing how tone deaf the response is from Ryan. Cat doesn't say anything about Ryan as a person, yet Ryan takes exception to the statement as an attack against their humanity. Then Ryan goes on to say "I usually lose", just because Ryan isn't as good at disc golf as the female pros, that doesn't change their natural advantage. The mental gymnastics on display here is genuinely disturbing.
Lia thomas again lol sucked as a man but excels as a bearded lady
Do you know why trans men aren't allowed to compete in the FPO either? It turns out HRT actually works. What's worse is that trans men aren't even allowed to compete with men in many sports now. Yep it turns out the people you would still consider women now have an unfair advantage 2. It just shows how much of a coward people like you are. You hide behind women's sports, and if you're ignorant then think about all the damage you just caused running your mouth about stuff you don't know.
The thing is, that Cat didn't address her as a transgender female, she wrote male. Not accepting, that times have changed and that we now respect those individuals, that do not fit into the simplistic view of bible and biology, is pretty disappointing for a leader of a sport, that proclaims to be so inclusive. We do not have a catastrophe at hand, we have a chance at hand to make it right, to enforce tolerance of individuals and minorities above else.
@@felixsimmendinger4761 I disagree it is a catastrophe. Disc golf isn't even testing for steroids and other drugs. Yet they are fighting for every inch against Natalie. The disc golf community has shown its true colors. This will be a black eye on the sport for the rest of its existence.
@@JB77776 I meant it that way. Having the need to find a solution to include "one" single transgender woman is not a catastrophe, making a cultural war out of it and failing is. Having a community creating so much hate like these women in Denver is very sad.
"Her skin is thin" Okay dude. I could easily make YOU feel that way...
Tell him he has balls and watch the screeching begin lol
@@amenson1997 funny how they get oh so offended by words... words
@@amenson1997exactly! A thief thinks the world is stealing from them...
Ballsy statment
Change the title to “Catrina Allen speaks out FOR FEMALE disc golfers”
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A shame that common sense is deemed offensive. We live in a clown world. Stay strong Catrina.
We live in an ungodly world. Defying Him at every turn.
Dude just go play in the MPO and see how you stack up.
Well, looks like I'm off to buy as many Catrina Allen discs as I can find.
I'm with you. I just ordered the DGA Sail.
The whole reason there is a FPO division is so women don't have to compete against men. There is a Mixed Pro division that trans can compete in if they want to.
Exactly. Its not like theyre saying that he CANT compete, he just cant compete in the division that he WANTS to compete in. This is the issue with society today, we've allowed people to think that their feelings are worth more than reality or common sense. In reality, feelings are almost always worthless and only lead to issues if you give in to them. Someone saying that they FEEL like a different sex is already one thing, telling society that we now have to play make believe and affirm these people, most of whom are raging narcissists, is just INSANE. We need to stop being afraid to speak the truth and stop this BS from happening.
One of the DUMBEST things I've ever heard is how trans ppl like NR claim that if you don't validate their feelings then you're "denying their humanity". They use this kind of language for a reason, because we've allowed victimhood to hold power in society now. All someone has to do is make the CLAIM that they're being victimized and everyone is supposed to jump on the affirmation/validation train, and run over anyone that refuses to join in on the delusion.
Saying Catrina "needs to work on her mental game" shouldn't be said by someone who cant even figure out what gender he is.
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Exactly what I was thinking...🤣
Agreed
😂💀
Making it a personal attack when Catrina just stated how she felt and facts is classic narc move
Not a big DGA fan but i will for sure be getting some of Catrinas special edition discs in the future
I have a Catrina Allen Rift if you're interested. Really cool sparkle stamp, unthrown/new condition.
if you want the sport to stop growing than making the fpo a joke is a good start
This guy is ridiculous. Catrina is correct and even if she wasn’t, she is allowed to have an opinion.
Yeah I honestly don't know why I keep watching his videos when they show up on my recommended feed. Everytime I do I'm disappointed with what he has to say.
It’s really simple. The professional men and women disc golf players play in different leagues because the men have some advantages that end with them out scoring females the majority of the time (indisputable fact). If both sexes had equal capabilities they would just have one league. Just because in this case, Natalie is not good enough to compete professionally in the mens and so weak ‘she’ loses in the female category most of the time as well. Doesn’t absolve ‘her’ of the god given natural physical advantages ‘she’ was born with. One day ‘she’ may become a good disc golfer and then ‘she’ would be unfairly dominating a league ‘she’ should not be in. Simply unfair and selfish
Incredibly selfish. That's almost always ignored in these debates.
why do you keep saying 'she'? I don't identify as someone who uses preferred pronouns and neither should you. Truth is TRUTH no matter how you TRY to change your biology
Preach
Good for her
It is about time one of the pro’s spoke up. I stoped watching FPO because of it.
Same
Me three. I can't watch the imposters, the pretenders, rob the real females of the fruit of their hard work and skill development.
Thank you Catrina for having the guts to speak the truth.
He can play in Mixed Pro Open at any time
Ryan speaks of thin skin yet can't handle the fact that her feelings are just that, feelings are not facts
Go Catrina ! This isn't a difficult debate with anyone with reason and logic.
Catrina Allen is correct.
I would be interested to see a video where you actually site some of the 'numbers and research' that you tried to gloss over there. Is your argument that biological men don't have a physical advantage in muscle size, bone density, fast twitch reflexes, etc.?
Allen is definitely on point. There is a reason other sports have come out and made rulings about puberty and Trans athletes. To act like it has no effect is scientifically wrong. It's a big world, people don't owe you anything, don't expect everyone to placate your feelings
Those same people then have a big problem with steroids in sports go figure
@@seeballgetball937 Right, the science suddenly matters
I am a cis woman and I was born with PCOS, a genetic disorder that causes me to produce very high levels of testosterone. Am I not a woman anymore?
@arghyetlol were you born with an x chromosome? Nope pretty easily solved problem but if you want to play victim too that seems to be the popular thing to do nowadays
Catrina, stepping up and telling it like it is.
Catrina is smart, she understands that men have an advantage. Which is common sense. Sports were created by, and for men!
@@playdiscgolf1546 Men have always had physical advantage. That's the reason why women have sports, so they can play within their own strengths. There should be a separate field for players that want to play that don't put others at a disadvantage. ie MPO for everyone, FPO women. Maybe there should be a trans field? I don't know, what I do know is that it will destroy womens sports and what good comes of that?
@@playdiscgolf1546 even in the old Greek Olympic days, men and women were separated. Sports were always for both sexes....but always separate for a reason
Paul Macbeth needs to change to Paula so he can win some tournaments
This video is an 880 rated take.
That’s generous lol
This take was really bad on all levels. Let’s go get some cat merch now
underrated comment
It kind of says it all that none of the girls are standing behind Natalie Ryan here and beating the drum for the individual to be able to play. Natalie has no support from inside the sport and the women clearly dont want the individual playing in their tournaments and taking money from the women. Good on Catrina Allen for speaking out. She has a new fan here.
You can say HE. This is a man we’re talking about. Don’t contribute to the delusion. Don’t bend. Even a little.
Right. The whole “she beat me 80% of the time” is pathetic. Natalie has been pro only a couple of years and has taken potential winnings away from players who have been grinding on the tour for years. Natalie’s response. “try harder “
I suspect that PP supports Ryan, based on how she publicly smeared the 15 women from the 2021 Fairhope Jubilee Tournament. She never retracted or apologized, even when her claims were shown to be baseless.
She's 100% correct.
Comments right but that pictures sooo fucking wrong. So no like or dislike you get a mid
Where's the 1 reply?
THE POLICE ARE THE BIGGEST MOST VIOLENT GANG OF THUGS IN THE WORLD
👏👏I'm buying some Cat Allen merch right now
Speak your truth Catrina!! Nate needs to play with the boys!!!✌🏻🥏
It’s not attaching anyone it’s sticking to the matter of facts not beliefs. Key word FACTS
Catrina is my favorite female disc golfer and the fact that she has the courage to speak her mind and have her voice heard is inspiring. Why have we become a country that is so blinded by this new “woke” mentality. We can’t see the obvious truth that is right in front of us. The views of the few trump the views of the many. We are going down a dangerous road if this is allowed to continue. Who is to say that a 20 year old player can’t identify as a 50 year old and play in the age protected divisions. Where is the line drawn. This is ridiculous that we as a society have let this get so out of control. We live in a free county so by all means do as you wish but I have three daughters and I would have a real problem with males competing against her in the same division/ class. We need to quit catering to the whiny millennials that have mental health issues. There are two genders male and female. Everything else is just some made up words for people who feel like they don’t fit in. I honestly think most of this is just for attention and there are deeper root mental health issues. This is my view and I know plenty will hate me for it. I don’t hate anyone and like I said go ahead and call yourself what ever you want, just don’t expect me to conform to your twisted ideals. Catrina is a true blessing and I support her views 100%
good to hear when people like Catrina speaks what is basicly common sense. thums up for Catrina
Yea it's sad we still have to have these discussions. Weak minded liberals that are put in positions of power are the reason stuff like this keeps going on. They have no spine, can't and wont enforce anything.. All in fear of being called out by the nutcases who don't even partake in anything unless it's trying to bring people down to their misery.. The left claims it's all about womans rights, but if anyone has any different opinion than theirs, they berate you like a unhinged child, and call you all the words they don't even understand, just trigger words they learned from the ones who profit from all the nonsense.
Courageous!!! Way to go Catrina!!!
She's not courageous for being a crybaby.
@thecompleation8891 nah, she is. You npcs have had too much say online. Time for some sanity to take center stage. Start a Trans division or compete in the mixed open. Those options are potentially available. I think the person demanding an exception to the rule because feeeeeeelings is clearly the crybaby.
I see you as a male competing against females. Translation: You don't see me as a human being.
@hyzerponix that's Natalie Ryan's translation.
Wtf lol
I'm saying. That one statement from him let everyone know just how unhinged they are.
this was the most ridiculous part of natalie's response
It's the typical coercive tactic people like Ryan use. Don't agree with something this group says and they accuse you of making a statement you never made. It's not even a new thing, sadly.
just because you don't personally have much of an advantage because you're not that good of an athlete doesn't mean that biological men do not have an advantage. Compare the distance records, compare the overall scores. If Natalie 'had a better mental game' she would compete against the men instead of telling biological women that they need a better mental game to compete with 'her'
Under normal conditions, everyone would say that men have no business in women's sports as long as the sport has a strong physical component. But what is happening now is anything but normal.
In my opinion, Catrina is a Hero for daring to speak out what the majority thinks (nowadays, speaking the truth takes more courage than following what the media tells us is the truth).
The PDGA didn't "just google" when it comes to this issue. Prior to their decision to exclude trans athletes from the FPO division this year moving forward they actually had a pretty open stance allowing them to compete. Following complaints they decided to dig deeper, as they should, and discovered several academic articles all concurring about biological and physiological advantages for men over women, which we are all already acutely aware of, even when a person, who has decided to undergo gender reassignment, but already underwent puberty as a biological male. MPO is open to literally everyone. If Natalie really wants to compete, she can improve her game enough to compete in the MPO division, but all professional level sports should indeed protect the womens' divisions and protect them to include only biological female at birth athletes.
"Discovered several articles" Google with confirmation bias
@@whazam74 No lol. They are academic, peer-reviewed articles. They aren't really things you can "just google."
We must protect women!
I was born with a disorder that causes me to have very high levels if testosterone. Am I now a cis man, even though I have a vagina? What does this mean for my abilities? Though I have compete against both men and women and done equally as well. Am I now a man? Because 1 in 10 women share this disorder with me so.... what do you plan to do with us? Where do we belong?
Don't get hung up on the Catrina getting beat statistics, she's sticking up for all female players. While Catrina beat him 88% of the time, many others are getting beat. These players might not have the pull or the support to say what they are thinking. Catrina has a large fan base that will stand behind her, great job Cat!
Atta girl Catrina!
EV Disc golf full supports Catrina. We will sponsor you if others will not.
Will not be watching anymore of your videos, if you can't realize that men, which Natalie is, has advantages. Maybe not him specifically, but it opens the door for more to come in. What if Paul Mcbeth is like I'm a woman now. Would you let him dominate the fpo?
That’s against the rules. A transwomen has to go a year under hormone therapy. The idea that mean can just identify as women is not how anything works and if you took two seconds of research you would know that
The narrator of this video is a tool. Catrina is absolutely correct in her assessment of the situation
Lost all respect for him... or they ... or whatever 😅
To answer your question about what physical advantages a trans athlete has, it obviously strength. To clarify strength is not directly correlated to distance. Specifically the strength is the ability to throw a standstill low line drive shot that just carries further or the ability to throw further from the knee. To win a distance contest you need a multitude of things besides strength, like form, angle, wind, height and disc selection.
Here are the facts:
-males have more fast twitch muscle fibers, which results in more explosive power.
-males have larger hearts and lungs on average, which allows more oxygenated blood to reach muscles faster.
- males, on average, have 50% more lower body muscle and 66% more upper body muscle
-males have higher hemoglobin levels, which allows for more oxygen to reach muscles.
-males have bigger and stronger bones. This allows the male skelton frame to hold more muscle, and provides greater leverage.
-males are taller on average, which helps in many sports like basketball and volleyball, it also helps in disc golf, by having longer limbs that can provide more leverage.
-males reflexes are, on average, over 30% faster than females.
-males have, on average, have broader shoulders and larger feet and hands, this provides many advantages in some sports like basketball, volleyball, and swimming, and also in disc golf. Larger hands and wider shoulders provide more leverage, allowing for a faster "whip" of the arm.
-the top 10% of females can only beat the bottom 10% of males in strength tests like grip tests.
Normalizing delusion and allowing a small minority of people to gain an advantage based simply on their own subjective FEELINGS is insane and wrong.
Sure... I've seen women out throw me in Distance Contests... but very few distance throwers can let loose on a distance type shot during a tournament. Raw straight power makes a big difference... even in the putting. Just look at the male vs female putting. Worlds apart.
You ask, "what specifically Allen feels are the advantages that trans athletes have?" My question for YOU is, what specifically makes you believe that "Natalie Ryan" is a female, a woman, or a lady? Clearly you believe that he is one, and are pretty insistent about it. Specifically, why do you believe this to be the case?
What does the 'F' in FPO stand for?
The comments on this video give me some hope that world hasnt gone completely crazy yet. Well done Disc Golf community.
I'm a little late to this video, but....we are in the vast majority. The crazy side just is just more promoted.
@@vandengrey6912 Nope, not even close. Vast majority of people do not care about this issue to comment as much. They have moved on from bigotry.
Allow me to burst your bubble there a bit. What disc golf community are you talking about? I bet there must be some kind of hick, backward, excluding, discriminating, disc golf community you are a member of. Good for you! My disc golf community is civilized. Attended by human beings of all kinds. Our disc golf community plays disc golf and loves the game. Seems like your disc golf community is more occupied with burning up with hate then throwing hyzer flips. Take care
I didnt read all the comments, but what is the avg score for the top 10 men vs the top 10 women? Os there not a difference? I dont know enough about the Tee Boxes and if they are the same or not.
Catrina nails it , i watch the pros , fpo is my favorite , i watch disc golf and inspire woman with her awesome field work. ... i wont watch or support any other way.
The problem is this opens the door for much better men than Natalie Ryan to join the FPO division
They would have to take at least of hormone therapy that alters their body I don’t see anyone doing that to play professional disc golf in the FPO division
Please tell me you would “pretend” to be a female to get on the women’s tour…. Or.., be a better whatever the gender you are and leave other people alone. You act like that would be advantageous to someone to be trans for the clout of being pro. I dare you to go on estrogen for a year to make the tour and see if you feel the same.
@@Unknown-rb3ip Here are the facts:
-males have more fast twitch muscle fibers, which results in more explosive power.
-males have larger hearts and lungs on average, which allows more oxygenated blood to reach muscles faster.
- males, on average, have 50% more lower body muscle and 66% more upper body muscle
-males have higher hemoglobin levels, which allows for more oxygen to reach muscles.
-males have bigger and stronger bones. This allows the male skelton frame to hold more muscle, and provides greater leverage.
-males are taller on average, which helps in many sports like basketball and volleyball, it also helps in disc golf, by having longer limbs that can provide more leverage.
-males reflexes are, on average, over 30% faster than females.
-males have, on average, have broader shoulders and larger feet and hands, this provides many advantages in some sports like basketball, volleyball, and swimming, and also in disc golf. Larger hands and wider shoulders provide more leverage, allowing for a faster "whip" of the arm.
-the top 10% of females can only beat the bottom 10% of males in strength tests like grip tests.
Normalizing delusion and allowing a small minority of people to gain an advantage based simply on their own subjective FEELINGS is insane and wrong.
@@thediscgolfworld why you tryna defend this stuff ??? Goofball
@@thediscgolfworld why are you even entertaining their delusions? Don't you have a backbone?
Fully in support of Catrina for standing up against the PDGA and the entire modern culture. She’s facing a giant that can destroy carriers and I applaud her bravery.
Guessing you mean careers, mate?
She didn't really stand up against the pdga. They banned transgender players. She's just agreeing that this was a good rule change
@@Jase-ul5yi They limited them. They didn't ban them.
@@broheme8922 true. They banned them from elite series and silver series. Other than that, they're still allowed to beat up on the real women
@@Jase-ul5yi That’s not how I read the rule change. They made it so the testosterone levels need to be lower than before. That’s not a ban. It just makes these men take hormone treatments longer. Ryan currently doesn’t meet the requirements.
I will now and forever buy more Catrina Allen mech. She didn’t come at Nathan as a human but as an opponent.
Catrina is spot on, and I’m with her all the way on this! Thank you for speaking your truth, Catrina!
THE truth not her truth
Kudos to Catrina Allen for speaking up. This is Natalie's response to Catrina speaking up for women. "All her statement says to me is that she needs to work on her mental game. If the presence of someone she doesn't agree with can ruin her day then her skin is pretty thin." -Natalie Ryan
"The presence of someone she doesn't agree with" yeah this is just a simple disagreement, not a male trying to cheat his way into being relevant at the pro level. Nat wouldn't qualify for the correct division, and would certainly not get a whole ass controversy played out about HIM if not for this clown show. Congrats on being the person that almost certainly kills this stupid trend, at least in disc golf. MIXED and FEMALE divisions. You tell me, is this person a female? Please, let's unravel this thread, any idiot lefty who happens to read this.
Catrina showed true bravery saying what she did. What she said is right, and what needs to be said.
Good for Catrina. And Natalie’s statement is pathetic. It wasn’t even an attack on her, and she decided to make it personal. Very immature.
Agreed. Seeing how someone words their argument is important to me. Catrina sounded more respectful. Natalie’s statement just hurt her case more than it helped imo. Twisting every word to sound like the victim and villainize everyone else.
@@MrNoName7474 I agree 100% Tommy. How you make your argument matters. Natalie has represented herself poorly in all the public statments I've seen her release. I don't hate transgendered people and I want to respect their decisions for their own happiness ... I just feel like you have to draw the line when it comes to competing in sports.
it was though. Passive-aggressively acting like an entire group she belongs to should just be barred from competing in a sport is clownish and babyish. Natalie was right about her having thin skin. and as the throwproud post pointed out, she wasnt even worse than her. she just took an opportunity to take a shot at a minority group for no reason. Cat is a complete ass.
@@realmackle you're making an ass out of yourself with each of these delusional comments. You seriously need help.
Catrina Allen has always been a true professional and ambassador for fpo disc golf. So when she says these things she is expressing what the majority are feeling. I actually enjoy fpo over mpo so please don't mess with this highly successful women's sport .thank you. We have your back Catrina without any hard feelings towards anyone.
Definitely going to put more DGA discs in my bag to support Cat for speaking up!
I bag a vortex and a quake
@@arcticowl2401 I just ordered myself a Rogue, Undertow, and banzai!
Be careful…your whole bag will be DGA before you know it. Such an underrated company!
just scooped a pair of her T.S Sail
The point is not what the comparisons are right this very second. its about the precedent that it sets to have a trans athlete playing against women. Sure the CURRENT group of trans athletes arent dominating in any way or way out performing the women but once it becomes a set precedent then you will see the divide start. Imagine that tomorrow Eagle decided he was trans and then he suddenly becomes the best women to ever play disc golf.
Doesn't even have to be Eagle. A random 1015 rated player that no one has ever heard of would dominate FPO.
@@bobbyshizz2138 Yeah, no FPO player has ever been rated above 1000.
While I do not know the details of Natalies transition so I will call her Natalie. My question will automatically cause me to be transphobic since I am a white male so in essence I can have no voice or opinion anymore.
My question/opinion is Cat has been training for years to gain strength, improve her form, practice, and perfect her game to where it is at its limits. She has done this through thousands of hours perfecting her craft.
But Natalie can move over, transition, take Hormone treatments, and put in very little effort compared to the elite cis females yet is able to outdrive 90% of them. Yet I still hear she has no advantage? I agree by transitioning she does not have the ability to compete with the cis males but is her miraculous ability to be on par with the top 1% of professional females come from her god given talent?
With that being said I don’t believe she now has a huge advantage over the cis FPO pro’s but I cannot understand how she can rise meteorically to the top 10 in FPO when her form is not equal to the other cis females. I assume it is from her transitioning to female and the carry over gave her advantages over the majority of female disc golfers (pro and amateur). Of course the argument is she isn’t dominating against professionals. But it is ridiculous to say that because she doesn’t beat the very best cis female professionals then she doesn’t have an advantage. Her advantage is she was able to have a massive head start ovver other women and is now able to compete at the top without having to train for years and countless hours to get there. She had a head start, a physical advantage, or whatever you feel like calling it.
Instead of saying cis female just say female. Don't put a label on normal people
You nailed it. Apart from catering to their language, which I personally don't recognize as legitimate, you nailed the issue. An unfair advantage doesn't have to result in domination to be unfair.
Here are the facts:
-males have more fast twitch muscle fibers, which results in more explosive power.
-males have larger hearts and lungs on average, which allows more oxygenated blood to reach muscles faster.
- males, on average, have 50% more lower body muscle and 66% more upper body muscle
-males have higher hemoglobin levels, which allows for more oxygen to reach muscles.
-males have bigger and stronger bones. This allows the male skelton frame to hold more muscle, and provides greater leverage.
-males are taller on average, which helps in many sports like basketball and volleyball, it also helps in disc golf, by having longer limbs that can provide more leverage.
-males reflexes are, on average, over 30% faster than females.
-males have, on average, have broader shoulders and larger feet and hands, this provides many advantages in some sports like basketball, volleyball, and swimming, and also in disc golf. Larger hands and wider shoulders provide more leverage, allowing for a faster "whip" of the arm.
-the top 10% of females can only beat the bottom 10% of males in strength tests like grip tests.
Normalizing delusion and allowing a small minority of people to gain an advantage based simply on their own subjective FEELINGS is insane and wrong.
@@undeadarmy19 spot on. Not to mention, sports in general were designed by men. So we automatically have an advantage in the fact we built the games around physicality
@@tikimurtaugh4919 I am not labeling “normal people”. I also believe it is sad that i have to type it now because that is not normal to me in any way. I use cis because even if we don’t like it or agree that is now a part of the dictionary as cisgender or matching gender assigned at birth. The word female to me only has one meaning but i used it to highlight the very apparent (at least to me) gender/physical difference between the two of them.
I have tried to research this to remove some of my own bias and reduce my own ignorance but weeding through all the clearly biased information is hard to do. I did find the word cis is much older than the progressive think tanks and has deep roots in the scientific community. Cis is associated with molecules such as cis (on this side) and trans (on the other side) like a cis-2-butene molecule.
Catrina has shown bravery that few have shown in ANY SPORT IN THE WORLD.
Huge!!
So brave standing up to... a tiny oppressed minority facing a coordinated international attack on their rights.... suuuure
Great job Cat! Finally a fair fight again!
Well said Catrina.
Seriously you are asking what the advantages are? And she wouldn’t have fear to speak out. Your take is ridiculous!!
Ryan just keeps digging the grave deeper and deeper every time Ryan trashes one of the other FPO players. The physical advantage is real. I am not a great disc golfer but I can pretty easily out throw most of the top women in the FPO. I know this for a fact because I have played several times on the course right next to Paige Shue who is a world champion and it's just a fact that if I have a good putting day then I can compete with her. Ryan has self admitted to also not being a great disc golfer. The fact that a male with limited skills is winning ANY FPO events shows that they shouldn't be competing with women who've dedicated their lives to the sport. It's not simply a matter of improving ones mental or physical skills as Ryan has alleged in the past.
bout time one of the ladies stood up and said something. I have always liked Cat but now i gotta support her. Plus Catarina has over a decade of experience where this person has just a few years and already has 2-3 titles. In time hell be unstoppable in the womens division. No matter what though mpo is a mixed division and only natural born women should be in the womens division. I mean we wouldnt let someone on steriods play in the womans division so why would we let a male into a division where they do have a massive advanbtage. When it comes to advantages there are many from things like fast twitch muscle fibers, to distance, and even being able to deal with stresses better which is why you see alot of women in fpo struggle with putting. Also reaction times for men are much quicker meaning its going to be easier for us to consistently hit those lines we need to hit to get us those birdies or tunnel shots. The advantages are endless my dude and because he refuses to acknowledge them doesnt mean they arent there and also just because cat has experience and has won more doesn't mean that advantage isnt there. The ceiling for him is much higher than anywoman on tour right now and thats where the issue lies.
I can’t even believe we have to discuss this. Men are men and women are women. No man should be allowed near the women’s game. It’s disgraceful.
Why do you think there have always been male and female divisions? Hint- its not because of how people feel on the inside
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Sorry sir, but “misgendering” doesn’t exist. Catrina spoke plainly and truthfully.
All women should do this and all men and women should support it,because Reddit or CZcams’s bots say not to is a shame. If trans in woman’s sports isn’t stopped there will be no women’s sports period.
The fear of speaking out is real...the backlash can be very harsh and is banked on by those treading into territory that seems contrary to common sense.
I stand by Catrina...
no the fear of speaking out is a pretty cheap technique of flipping suspect and victim. The victim is clearly natalie, who gets offended by all those comments of her being a dude etc. That is so disgusting and intolerant, that we should feel ashamed, that it happened. Cat can speak out, no one is criticizing her for it as long as she does it with the respect to natalies individuality. We should be enforce an open sport like disc golf to achieve something fresh and new other sports could not do. Disc golf is inclusive, it can be played by anyone and it did a wonderful work till now to show it that way but the way the community has tackled this issue to spill their hate makes me wonder if that was only a shell.
@@felixsimmendinger4761 I stand by Catrina and not you..."Natalie" is a male and using this against biological females...talk about cheap...and Ryan is no victim
I completely support Catrina in this. No question.
Catrina is correct.
100% support for Catrina! Trans don't belong in women's sports PERIOD. N.Ryan pretending to not know what the advantages are is ridiculous!!!!!
So does anyone have an idea what is going to happen with this situation?
Thank you Catrina.
Saying that because Catrina has beaten the current trans athletes more than 80% of the time shows there is no advantage is not an accurate comparison. If anything it does is show they do have an advantage. Catrina is much more physically fit than Natalie. If Natalie were to become as fit as a Paul McBeth or Ezra Aderhold there would be no doubt as to Natalie's advantage.
Also, who's to say in the future what kind of trans physiques will enter into FPO. It's a slippery slope, and well if your trans, I'm sorry you need to start your own division. The genitalia you were born with is your sex and if you decide to change things up, that's on you and you shouldn't get competitive sports to bend to your will. Just saying
saying that he CAN be playing FPO because she is beating them anyway is such a bad way of viewing the problem. if tomorrow morning Calvin decide he is a girl now and want to play FPO they would NEVER allowed it. because its going to kill FPO for ever.
Let Brock Lesnar identify as a women and join the UFC on the female side. Transwomen have no advantage, right? Lol stfu hahahahahaha
Let him permanently grow tits and lose muscle mass just to fight. Is that what you think trans athletes are doing?
if he cut off both his legs, as he would need to to make 135 lbs. Nunez would kick his ass
Catrina is a brave lady. She knows the coordinated hate that will be unleashed on her for saying this and she knows it could well have an impact on her sponsorships etc. and yet she is taking a stance for women and girls in the sport. Massive respect for her going forward.
She will face backlash from a very juvenile and vocal segment of the population. However she may be surprised at the amount of support she will get from everyone else. Just look at the amount of support she is being shown in this comment section alone. There is hope for the future and I'm so glad to see a player finally take a stand for whats right.
So brave speaking up against an oppressed minority being legislated out of existence, and who are murdered at a higher rate than any population. So strong.
Wow, thanks for sharing this video, but it is sad to see the negative take on what Catrina has done. She has to stand up for her female competitors and herself, otherwise men we start to do what Ryan has done in order to get an advantage. We've seen it in the NCAA and need to keep it out of disc golf! How anyone can say they support women and yet say they support trans women (aka men) competing in women's support baffles me.
I'm 55 but I feel young at heart ... can I just claim to be a junior and only play against players that are under 18 ? Sounds ridiculous doesn't it ?
It's a division for females and Natalie Ryan is no female. Ryan can compete in the Mixed Open Division if she wants to compete.
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Regardless of what advantages there may or may not be, it would set a bad standard should the association allow biological males to compete against biological females. This scenario might not show large skill gap but there will be plenty of ones that do. When it comes down to it, it’s not real competition. You have gender categories for a reason, it matters. It blows my mind to this day this is even an argument. What’re we doing as a people?
Facts don’t care about your feelings is all that needs to be said here. Well done Cat!
And stats don't care about yours. She still lost 88% of the time.
@@earthman808 *he*. Get it right.
@@amenson1997 That's incorrect in the present tense with who Natalie is, and also has abandoned to become. It's also deliberately being ignorant to those facts about her, and its just being a dick.
@@earthman808 it's astounding to me that you're willing to acknowledge one set of facts, known as stats, but once biological facts come into play you get your panties in a twist. You need to seriously think about the repercussions of what you're advocating for.
@@amenson1997for real well said.
As a man who has played sports my whole life and also supports trans people, I feel like Catrina is right. Once someone goes through puberty as a boy their physical athletic advantages become too significant and it's not fair to make cis women compete against them. You have to consider the many cis women who want a level playing field vs. the relatively few trans women who want to compete, and come out on the side of the many. I feel bad that this yet another thing that makes being trans tough, but I think that's just how it has to be for now.
Trans people can not even accept who they were born to be. Thus, EVERYTHING is tough about being trans.
I think God designed it to be so.
That life is very difficult however they tend to navigate it.
Even more reason to love Catrina! There are only 2 sexes 99.99% of the time, You are either born with XX, an XY, or an atypical sex chromosome combination. If you are born with XX chromosome you are a female and if born with XY Chromosome you are male. It is very rare to be born with an atypical chromosome. So if N. Ryan was born with the XY Chromosome you compete in the M(MIXED)PO division. It doesn't matter if you identify as a female... if you want to identify as a female that is fine but you were born a male so you don't get to play in the F(FEMALE)PO division. Why is this so hard to understand???
Facts are facts. Losing 88% of the time is no advantage.
More women need to speak up
They are starting to