Nikko Locastro vs Natalie Ryan
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00:00 Intro
00:29 Nikko Locastro
02:11 Natalie Ryan
03:57 Nikko's Announcement - Sport
Some things to think about that you didn't mention, that can help contextualize this issue.
1) The PDGA and DGPT/DGN are divided internally on this issue, from the board-level, to across the companies at many levels.
2) The PDGA recently renamed the FPO division from Female Professional Open to Woman (or Woman's) Pro Open and started changing a number of the pages on their site to take the focus away from "female" which is now relegated to a biological-based term referring to sex, and "woman/women" as a gender-based term. Their 2024 division list has Woman's Pro Open and Woman's Pro XX+ where XX is the age bracket. Female Jr divisions are also now Girl's divisions.
You spent a lot of time in this video showing some of the antics and bad behavior of Nikko but next to nothing from Natalie. If people want to know why she's divisive, it's more than merely being transgender and playing disc golf. People watching this video, who aren't knowledgeable of this issue, would have no idea of some of the craziest things she's said and done since she broke onto public awareness in 2022.
I’m in the middle of watching still. I wonder if the Natalie “burn it to the ground” line makes it in here.
@@HARwinsOUTagain Nope. I'm not saying the content creator is picking a side, but he missed some things Natalie did in the last couple years.
Referring to men as "she" helped create this problem in the first place.
@@martinmartins7703 Yes. Little lies catch up.
Companies changing words doesn't mean they're accepting the changes they're being forced to make by their legal departments
Nate Ryan is playing in the wrong division.
You likely are too?
@@jamesbyington4764 no I'm a real man and not delusional
Save women's sports and rights
You sound like you are like 60+
@@bisk1407 wtf does age have to do with common sense?
@@jamesbyington4764 Natalie Ryan is doing a disservice to REAL WOMEN competing in dg and all sports
A little disengenuous to go so into Nikko’s specific actions without really talking about the straight bullying Natalie’s been doing not only to him but to many of the FPO players. Many of the comments made since the beginning of this whole thing have been, if you read them objectively and honestly, just bullying.
Okay thank you, I knew I wasn’t the only one who felt like this was a bit slanted and leaving out important details
the bias in the video was off the charts
Why do Trans athletes not compete in MPO? Also, this is not a political issue. It's a science issue. XY chromosomes = bigger bone structure, more muscles, etc.
because they won't make money in MPO
Men playing in women’s sports isn’t about identity and acceptance. It’s about taking advantage of legal loopholes that disenfranchise women for personal gain. We as disc golf fans should be outspoken about protecting females in women’s sports. Not just those who want to identify
It’s testosterone. With that in mind, read the rules.
it's a man, keep that in mind..men play mpo, read the rules
@@markmcgarity You obviously didn’t and don’t intend to do so. Are you trying to be funny or something?
I will never give a dime to the PDGA until they stop this lunacy of letting guys play in WOMANS League’s.
You do realize the PDGA tried to not let him play in the FPO. He sued them and the PDGA doesn’t have enough money for a massive legal battle like that. They had no choice really
Sounds like they have no case or can't find a honest Lawyer?
they had a case and had to PAY for lawyers...nat's lawyers will work for free for publicity. the pdga needs to grow a set and change their rules AGAIN
I used to dislike Nikko, but seeing him stand up for women like this gives me a new respect for him. #protectwomenssports.
Yes she is one of us!
I used to dislike Nikko, but now that I see him try and publicly shame and belittle someone for being themselve, I love him!
@@bengarvin It's shaming to keep men away from beating real women? You are blind and a fool. Put your wife or daughter in a ring with a boxer or MMA who used to be a man. Seriously the world has gone MAD.
@@HansTheGeek you haven't swallowed a gun barrel yet? do us all a favor...take ben garvin with you
@bengarvin just being themselves huh? So he's not playing against and beating real women? Huh 🤔
The solution starts with refusing to call him her. If men can play in women's sports then why are there women's sports at all?
I support Nikko in this, never thought i would say that
It's obvious where you stand on this issue from the one sided shade thrown throughout this pathetic attempt to drag someone who doesn't agree with your ideological cult beliefs
What a bias take to overshadow all the awful things Natalie has said and pinpoint everything bad about Nikko. Deceptive. Unsubscribe.
Same here👎
Please do tell what did the man girl say?
Nate7498.... Ryan is that you?
Good on Nikko. Shame on you for calling him a her. Everyone should publicly support women. Shit is ridiculous!
Purposely misgending someone is lame. I hope you learn to love accept folks. One can only hope
@@bengarvinbro get Nathan’s hotdog out of your mouth
If you don't mind, I'd love to use your comment as a reminder of all the things I don't wanna be.
@@bengarvin a true man ? Hahaha
Another incel transphobe
Thats a man baby, yeah
TEAM NIKKO!!!
Don’t back down!!
I support Niko's stance on the issue.
This sport needs Nikko.
I'm glad to see these comments went the total opposite of what (whoever this is) thought they would. 🤣 Nikko has one outburst= end of the world. Man pretends to be woman to play against women= Okey Dokey 👍
It's insane how many people defend a man bullying his way into competing with women when over 80% of FPO players said they didn't want to compete against him.
Those of us who aren’t brainwashed agree with you. Ryan the male needs to stop and find a new game to play.
@@fishmanfish1525 they would have to HAVE a brain to be brainwashed🤣
Love Nikko !!!!!
And stop calling him a her.
This is NOT a political stance, it’s common sense. Please don’t ruin DG.
Purposely misgending someone is lame. I hope you learn to love accept folks and act out of love more often. One can only hope!
@@bengarvinuhhhh you’re misgendering that man by calling him a woman
@bengarvin you look old enough to know better, but in case you don't, a chick with a dick is no chick
@@bengarvinhe’s a he. Always has always will playing if ignorant doesn’t change anything but only showcases your stupidity and ignorance.
@stmn346 This discussion only works when we stop misgendering her. She is a women. You might not understand that, but it is really not complicated. That has nothing to do with politics.
You can have every opinion on this topic. You can say that she shouldn't be allowed to play FPO and I also don't think that what Nikko is doing here is really that terrible. But why can't people just accept that she is a woman. Let people have their peace at least on this point. If she should play FPO is written on a whole other page.
Why not talk about the FPO livestream on instagram last year and their actual thoughts? NR is an absolute CHEATER and why I stopped supporting the PDGA.
I am now a Fan of Nikko..
Of cause you are.
@@HansTheGeek be gone you no spelling troll DB
@@HansTheGeeknice spelling Nathan
Thanks for announcing that you're a bigot
@@StuffedBearSus Thank you 🥰
These two men need to try to get along or just fist fight old school style
Nikko would dog walk that circus act.
Men are men and women are women, it doesn’t matter how much surgery you have.😊
There is no such thing as Trans because nobody transitions from one sex to another..
yes thats why its called transgender
sex and gender are different from one another, its just that they allign 99% of the time
Not only is Natalie competing unfairly with actual women instead of trying to play in the open division, he has cost the PDGA a ton of money in legal fees. Money that could go toward bettering the sport. It's a purely selfish endeavor and should not be supported, no matter who it's from. As an am player, I know that by competing in tournaments, I'm losing money so open players can have better payouts. I'm fine with that because it grows the sport that I love. Natalie wants his way and is willing to damage the sport to get it.
they lost a ton of money in legal fees to the point where they had to give up or go insolvent. insolvency might be a better option in this case. they've also lost a ton of support from disc golfers. it's crazy how one narcistic, delusional fascist with a mountain of dirty money can bankrupt such a large organization. cultural marxism 101.
Am money does NOT go to pro payouts.
so selfish to fight bigotry! Natalie is approximately 483% braver than all the shallow keyboard-warrior asshats on here purposley misgendering her. ewe.
@@ronjones-6977 I have been in tourneys where it does. Maybe it's not as standardized as I thought, but still. My playing in tournaments helps with the growth of the sport more than it helps me, even if it is just going toward the people who organize and run events, the PDGA or the courses I play.
@@pkjacobg if you play tournaments where the am payout is diverted to the pros, you need to report the td. i've been playing for almost 40 years and never seen this happen
You left out the years nasty Nate played poorly on MPO
Logan played MPO at one point? I thought he went straight to bullying women.
@@martinmartins7703 you mean losing to women right?
@@nunyabinezz8759 still bullied his way on tour when the vast majority voted they didn't want to play against him.
Imagine how bad it must be if trying to keep men out of women's sports is a "political battle".
It's ridiculous...
common sense is outlawed.
@@aaronkcmo It's just your common sense. Nobody cares...
What makes a man a man?
@@HansTheGeek nobody cares about what is right and just? the vast majority of disc golfers disagree with you
anybody with a daughter would understand this is wrong no man should be competing with our daughters
Letting men play with women absolutely not no more money from me.
Real man pay money to play with women.
@@HansTheGeek You wouldn't know a man if he did you from behind. Oh wait, that's what you like. Never mind.
@@HansTheGeekhahhaa ok now I know you’re a troll hahaha nice
@@HansTheGeek yes the real man(nat ryan) pays to play with women
Just go to 2:50 secs in. That’s a males forearm and hairy too. I feel for the FPO players… :(
Nikko is what disc golf need can’t ever be against his passion and energy keep doing your thing.
"of HIS disc golf career"
I am going to go buy one of Nikko's discs now. He gained a new fan.
Nikko has common sense.
Also you need to check what you say about Nikko. There are a lot of players that act like that. He isn't special in any way. Anger is hard to deal with.
This man is destroying the woman's tour and needs to be removed from the sport.
Time to buy some sacred discs
I could watch Nikko trying to look tough all day. Lol
Nikko went from foil to hero. Proud of him.
Unsubscribe is a beautiful thing.
Nikko is 100% right. Big Nate has been stealing women's payouts for long enough.
Also this a big w for niko. Good for him
Who thinks he would chop off his junk if he wasn’t competing for money? He can’t win against men so he went the woman’s route
Bro who thinks anyone would do that just to play professional women’s disc golf??
you, my friend, are an ass. No way around it.
He still has his twig and berries.
@@martinmartins7703 that's a man baby, yea!
I would pay to see them have a boxing match
Unsubscribed
So if Barela transitioned to a woman, it would be ok for him to play in FPO. Come on
I would suggest to look up the rules for that scenario.
@@HansTheGeek it's pretty clear. Just wear a womanface costume for a while then demand that your delusion be accepted by everybody. that's how Ryan did it
@@aaronkcmo Thanks for making clear to everyone that you have no clue about the actual rules in place.
BRO HE WOULD FUCCIN STOMP!!
@@ULTRAVISTA. 15x world champ
Kind of a dick move by you guys showing settle Nico outbursts to wrap your video very biased. You’re better than that.
Nikko should transition and we could have a 4 hole playoff. Natalie vs Nikkole.
You don't have to take a side to see how biased this video was in it's treatment of the two parties. I guess I didn't realize it was an opinion piece.
One thing I'm going to correct you on. Transgender women competing in a female protected division is NOT Political. Not by a mile. It is a biological/livelihood issue. Women have a right to be bitter about an athlete who has a biological advantage over other born women. And to say they do not is honestly ignorant. Skill is another discussion and I can personally say, while I throw farther than most women I play against, I will not always beat them by any stretch. I'm a firm supporter of men/women's right to be transgender and have friends that are as well. But to say they are on even footing with biological females in a competitive field is simply not accurate. I don't have a good answer for what resolution should be done. Transgender divisions would A. result in non-competing as there would likely not be enough to allow the division to happen in the event. B. Segregate them further thus likely creating animosity and disinterest in their competitions (potentially). There is the Mixed Pro Open division when seems to be the consensus but again, they would be at a disadvantage there are well due to hormone therapy. It's a shitty situation all around.
stop it with the Nikko hate. dude has issues, but no one else is trying to protect women. where have all the good men gone?
Can I play from short tees because I identify with them in competition vs people that have to use long tees? Since when did feeling supercede logic? Sigh
It does't. Read the rules.
@@HansTheGeek Hans is a short tee kind of guy.
@@HansTheGeekYou would have been the person supporting the current rules on slavery in the 1800s or the rules on women in the workplace in the 20s. It's called being a shallow thinker. You have 1 or 2 sets of talking points that you regurgitate over and over, then when anyone actually digs into the depth of the issue with logic, you have nothing more to say..or will probably start acting dramatic and throwing names and accusations at us now. It's ridiculous you can't propose that we need to find another solution. You keep saying, it's the rules!! Current "rules" don't dictate what's best. We're searching and evolving. There's a better solution we haven't found than letting men destroy records and achievements that women have spent decades and centuries striving to beat.
@@nate7498 the dude is a DB troll, end of story...mute the moronic twatwaffle
@@nate7498 Speaking of shallow thinking: What makes you think i endorse the current ruling? Have fun 😘
The disc golf pro tour is not successful, here are a few reasons why:
players, sponsored by disc manufacturers, make millions of dollars while tournaments, sponsored by the same manufacturers, pay out peanuts! It MUST be the other way around.
Disc golf manufacturers don’t have professional courses that are designed for spectators and professional camera crews.
Announcers never (rarely ever) mention the disc thrown or its specific weight. Announcers are not experts in announcing!
Players carry too many discs. There must be a limit and discs must be weighed before each tour event.
Baskets and tee pads vary from tournament to tournament. There must be a standard basket and tee pad. The adverts under the basket, those MUST PROMPTLY AND PERMANENTLY BE REMOVED!!! FLAGS ON TOP OF EVERY BASKET SHOULD BE MANDATORY!
There are no (almost none) major outside sponsors of tournaments.
These are some major problems.
Before the tour can attract major sponsors (soft drinks, alcohol, automobile, jewelry, etc.) there must be viewership. In order to increase interest in the sport, pay outs must be much higher. Macbeth got 7 “million$”! That’s “70” 100,000$ payouts! That’s “1” player contract!!! Players need to “earn” their money by winning. Then they can eventually be sponsored by clothing, automobile, alcohol, soft drink etc, manufacturers or other outside sponsors.
Viewers and fans of disc golf must demand that all these and more steps be taken to push our sport to the level it deserves to be at.
i also feel they could push to be on tv and not youtube, its been a bait and switch with watching tourneys online now behind paywall and delayed coverage - better live, and shoot for televised. they give us youtube quality ( something everyone knows is free) then ask for money to keep it going, while not adding value instead removing value. thats a bait and switch. if its so valuable pitch disc to the tv execs and peace lol
@@lyndajones1133 .. on "tv"? What is this, 1998?
mcbeth got 10 mil and it's a mil a year..nice rant of bs
Nikko is a POS, from first hand experience, but someone needs to do something about this problem in the FPO division.
It takes balls to go against Nikko .
How do they cross paths? one is predictably bigoted; another was existing in a similar place and suffered the consequences. Nikko knows this will boost him as 75% of average disc golfers are surprisingly conservative given the sport at hand.
Good for Nikko speaking up. Count me as a fan
She is amazing!
NR is a man so there’s that. How do you look at NR and say oh yeah thats a woman? Thats a man baby. Clown World. Pdga/Dgpt ☠️.
@@HansTheGeek nikko is a MAN, as your hero nat ryan is...delusional, ignorant troll db
@@HansTheGeek don't you have some rooster to swallow? a boy to diddle?
@@HansTheGeek nikko is a man as nat ryan is..not sure what you are besides a very sick, delusional individual
I guess imma be throwing some sacred discs
I actually follow the FPO and wasn't aware that Ryan is trans.
Love me or hate me, you watched and that's all you could do
I have a gnome and love it for approach forehands when a harp is too fast
Let’s go Nikko!
I like Nikko now. He's cooled out quite a bit. He is nowhere near being considered the least liked disc golf player anymore..
Yes Nikko is amazing! She is one of us!
@@HansTheGeek Whatever you say, HanTheGreek.
@@ronjones-6977 ignore the troll, he feeds on people telling him that he is wrong and an idiot. like other .02% crazies, feelings are all that matters, not facts
@@HansTheGeek wha?
@@yourmagnumopus feed the ignorant troll
can we see nikkos texts before Cat turned 18?
LOL yikes
Yesss if we can see Nathan’s hot dog hahahah
@@StuffedBearSussay what you mean
Awfully brave of you to insinuate such a thing.
@@kingchuckfinley Nathan has a dong
Nikko needs to focus on himself, dude has no right to judge anyone.
What was Natalie record before 2022 ?
2 Balls 1 Strike
he won adv tournies and then "transitioned" to fpo to take cash from women
Just a man...him not her. Hope Nikko makes a great comeback!
Love me some crazy ass Nikko!!!
I feel like Niko has a bad reputation...so he's trying to do something good to fix his reputation. Kudos to him.
I think Natalie Ryan is secretly Hunter Thomas shaving his beard from Foundation Disc Golf 🤓🤘🏻
Hahahahahaha Natalie *is* big hunt! 😂
@@martinmartins7703 Yes! Yes, he is a BIG hUNT.
I was thinking Conner?
Does this hurt the frisbee basket?
Anyone answering honestly about the man playing against woman will be banned and called names. Why pass title 9 to then allow this ?
Wise word choice to call her Ryan and not Natalie.
*him
KEEP THE MEN OUT OF THE WOMANS DIVISION. that means you RYAN. play with the guys or don't play at all. CHEAT
Way to go nikko! Gotta love that rude
Handicap all players could play in unity and where they are short on players in divisions.players could still compete.
Everyone has had their temper tantrums, their "blowout" holes, a terrible shot, double, triple, quad, snowman, bogey whatever. We all get frustrated, but the thing that happened at the European open was inexcusable! Standing up for the PWDGA is something the woman can or could do. There's incidences where girls in U.S. high schools that refuse to play against "born males". I hope they keep that trend through the centuries! God bless... 🙏
Good for Nikko. Take a stand against the delusional crap.
Karl?
Time to give Neptune disc the Bud Light treatment
No body is buying those garbage discs.
Nicco is way better by a long mile. I’m going to buy one of his lavender discs
I’ve been seeing a lot of negative things in a sport that brings me happiness
🍿
Well we know whose side you’re on now lol
Yo RM!! I love your videos, as well as your fantastic and captivating commentary.
I just got five of the R.M. Disc Golf Whale Sacks!! Had to support you my guy! Keep putting out quality content and the community will be a better place!🎉
I think they need a match?
Very one sided and slanted.
Your bias is showing
not a her
Nikko is a whiny competitor, nat fought for her right to be in this division, not everyone has to like it but it’s the rule, she’s a woman plain and simple. She’s in her division, nikko just wants to make sure his non age appropriate girlfriend gets paid.
1:41 one sad sad American there, pray they find god and heal
I doubt he will, in fact Ryan appears to be doubling down on the lunacy.
Not going to happen, Ryan will never see the truth.
Nikko won't win while he is throwing Lone Star Disc Period. The guy Nathaniel Ryan doesn't belong playing against real women.
Natalie is approximately 483% braver than all the mean keyboard-warriors on here purposley misgendering her. ewe.
@@bengarvin he isn't brave at all. he's a narcissistic, delusional bully
Stunning and brave
Nikko you may be right about this but we do not need your help.
I do not like Nikko. She is not a good role model.
Bruh
@@DTR333 ignore the troll, he is one of the .02% that thinks by talking the most or the loudest that he is correct and your opinion means nothing...his feelings are more important than facts and science
@@markmcgarity You should have a look at the comments before making bold comments about who is talking the most honey. Otherwise one could think that you trolled yourself with this one 😘
and nikko and nat ryan are still men...you aren't very bright are you frans the greek?
not a women
not a scholar
A lot of Nikko fanboys seem to be as stable as him. 😅
You're arguing for a guy who thinks he's a girl 😂😂😂. As much as you try to argue this insanity it will NEVER EVER BE TRUE but we both know this don't we?
Coming from an online gaming community I find it so disgusting how transphobic the majority of disc golfers actually are
Yoo, love your PS2 videos
Nobody plays Wii anymore
agreed
I'm sure as an online gaming enthusiast you'd know a lot about competitive sports. We all value your opinion greatly.
@@HighOutdoors love the sarcasm, likely flew right over his head
For all of you that think Natalie should not be allowed to play FPO, I have a question. If a female transitions to a male, should they still be allowed to play FPO?
M in MPO stands for Mixed. It's not mandatory to be a man to play there and it's the most suited group for trans players
Not possible because of PEDs. A male cannot be a female & a female cannot be a male period. You can pretend, but that's what it is, pretending. If a female wants to pretend to be male & not take PEDs then play FPO, fine.
*If a female pretends to be a male* she can stay in FPO, because no matter what gender dysphoria she has, it will still be a woman against other women. Besides if you put her in MPO she will get destroyed and never cash. Even if it was Kristin tattar, she wouldn’t stand a chance.
But as long as they are allowing men to play in FPO then it should be held standard that a woman in FPO claims she’s a he. Then she should be forced into MPO.
artifically boosting testosterone is PEDs
Natalie isn't divisive. People's reaction to her is.
Nikko can't control his anger. He is dangerous. Seriously, it doesn't matter whether or not he is right. Nikko is dangerous if you cross him. Go back and watch the clip from Europe that got him suspended.
*him..nat ryan is a man. calling yourself a woman's name doesn't make you a woman. he isn't divisive? he threatened the pdga and told the fpo they needed to practice more if a man could beat them. the dude is a narcisstic, delusional human being with some serious mental issues
nikko is a small child stuck in a man's body. He is a huge PoS and always has been. anyone who thinks he has changed is fooling themselves. The ONLY reason he is still in the scene is because he has family in a huge disc manufacturer/sponsor.
aww...did he turn you down? poor thing, bless your heart
@@markmcgarity how does nikkos tiny little nepobaby peepee taste?
he has changed, you either dont watch him or are ignorant
@alksmdlaks how does Nates? 😂😂😂
disc golf as a whole is a pretty conservative sport and the pdga is a mostly conservative company, so i would understand why wouldn't want a transwoman to play in the fpo. And Natalie ryan is the only trans woman to play this sport also.
The PDGA is not conservative, wth are you smoking?
"And Natalie ryan is the only trans woman to play this sport" is she?
@@eoghana315 but not allowing trans people to play in this sport contradicts the fact that they want this sport to be diverse and open.
@@eoghana315 quite frankly what are you smoking I want what you have lmao
@@HansTheGeek i don't want to argue because i need to take my estrogen :3
Care nothing about either one.