I almost hold of that way but instead of two fingers on the trigger guard I got one because I have a Taurus G3 C and getting all my fingers underneath the trigger guard feels like they are slipping off tge other fingers and I cannot get my palms up against the gun as good . And my 2 fingers don’t fit underneath it so well but one finger used as a hook on the trigger guard does great for me its very comfortable to squeeze in with my palms when that combined with the isometric pull I can control the recoil more accurately with that one finger up higher to my bottom three fingers on my left dominant left hand can really squeeze in on my other fingers and squeeze palms together well while that one finger helps keep gun from rising up on recoil . Traditional grip works good but I found this great works better for me. However with a larger gun traditional grip works better but with this smaller compact The index finger works better for me for some reason.
I love to see someone who is already at the top of their field experimenting with new techniques to get even better. I think Lena has learned from her father! Thank you, Lena! Now time to try it for a while.
When Lena was a child Eric Grauffel and others have been shredding with this grip. It's not unique to Lena, but if anything, it's a testament to her skill and experience, that she came to the same conclusion on her own that other great shooters were already doing.
Thanks! A few decades ago we were calling your new grip "the normal grip." We did it with success for the reasons you list. What you call "traditional" is a relatively new idea that someone dreamed up and convinced a lot of people that it was the right way. People at matches like to poke fun at my grip which is the same as yours. They don't point it out so much when I eat their lunch, which is regularly. Thanks for allowing new shooters to try the "normal grip."
That cringe worthy thumbs forward grip like you are smashing a pancake with both hands and rolling your wrists down is worthless and incorrect. The engineers designed the pistols to use the "wedge hold" or one like she is using here. Massad Ayoob still uses it as well. It's checkered and notched for a reason. Trying to circumvent engineering design is idiotic because "it's my way or the highway". Your thumbs aren't supposed to be flush up against the slide slowing the cycle speed down or interfering with it's movement. You aren't supposed to be accidentally hitting the magazine release, slide stop, safety, decocker or any of that. Still...MOST of these people insist we are doing it all wrong. I've been doing this for 41 years. I never saw anybody shoot with the modern thumbs forward grip until around circa 2004/05. It's spread like wildfire since then and is akin to the second coming of Christ now. It's not comfortable at all and most your pinpoint accuracy is now gone. These days you have all these tools shooting fast at large steel plates at very close range with 9mms and barely nicking the far leading edges. Then you see Bullseye Comp guys shoot 1911 .45s ONE HANDED and put all their shots into dead center in a hole no bigger than a quarter. This "modern" technique is incorrect and WRONG. I will argue against it and despise it until the day I die. If you can't shoot a larger caliber effectively or need to "get rid of a gun" because of your technique well then the technique is WRONG! If you really want to knock the wind out of these people hand them a revolver and tell them to pull that crap with that like you do a modern semi-auto striker fired polymer 9mm. If it's a .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum you will surely DROP that revolver upon recoil or you won't be able to hit a darn thing with it effectively. Their argument is always "equipment and techniques change and advance". That is code word talk for (I am a nOoB amateur and I want to be a expert before I deserve to be one).
Who would have ever thought you can control recoil and increase accuracy by not having your hands and fingers UNDER it. The engineers put it there for a valid reason. You might as well start pressing the accelerator with your left foot if you enjoy circumventing design features and engineering.
I use a single finger version of this and have to say the amount of torque that can be implied onto the gun is huge. The muzzle flip can almost be eliminated making tracking the sights much easier. Great explanation Lena.
There’s a good reason why many pistols have a squared guard with stippling on the front. This technique really gives you more leverage for reducing muzzle flip. Thanks for sharing!
Who would have ever thought you can control recoil and increase accuracy by not having your hands and fingers UNDER it. The engineers put it there for a valid reason. You might as well start pressing the accelerator with your left foot if you enjoy circumventing design features and engineering.
@@natehall6120 Why would you circumvent a design feature the engineers incorporated into the frame of the pistol? That takes brains and common sense of epic proportions to do something like that. Might as well stomp on the accelerator with your left foot then.
Started doing this last year and it's been a game changer for me , people always say it looks wrong or funny until they see how well I can shoot compared to other so called experienced shooters , no comparison...
There is a reason why, they tell you not to put your fingers on the trigger guard. If it works well for you so be it. In reality this give you less recoil control
@@manny45629 Yes I have , I’m a smaller stature person and yes this works for me , everyone is different on size and stature so everyone will have different results and opinions. Based on my size at 5ft 6 it was a game changer for me.
I use to always shoot like that. 4 years ago, got my chl. The instructor said nobody does that anymore. I’m 54. Changed my grip, all the internet experts said I was doing it wrong. I always felt like it gave better leverage to stop the muzzle rise. May have to go back to it. Oh, I did have the highest score in our class. So it worked for me. Just got tired of hearing I was doing it all wrong. Thanks for the tips. Like your videos
This was the best explanation of this grip. I can only fit one finger up on the front of the guard but it still feels super locked in when I apply the pressure she described.
Honestly love the rationale and results based logic behind the grip. I’m a bigger guy but I feel like utilizing this kind of grip could improve my ability for follow up shots.
Thanks for reinforcing my grip. I've used it for years and all the people at the ranges say "that's the way people used to grip handguns, but not now". I've never changed.
@@situated4 They can snicker all they want when I dump a entire magazine into a hole you can cover with a U.S. quarter at 15+ yards offhand....not feet!
I've tried that with my M&P Shield. The trigger guard is rounded and so I added a small piece of skateboard tape to keep my fingers from sliding off. Works like a charm.
This is a perfect example of doing what works for you. This may not be a "standard" or "typical" grip but if it allows you to better control recoil and keep a steadier sight picture while working the trigger then use it. At the end of the day it's all about what makes you more accurate.
@@Tinker.Studio it actually has a lot to do with accuracy. If your trigger press is anything but perfect you'll inevitably move the muzzle a bit while pressing the trigger which will results in poor accuracy of your shots, especially if you have a bad grip which doesn't limit the movement created by the trigger press. With a great grip (control) small imperfections in trigger press will not result in big deviations at the muzzle thus improving accuracy of your shots. Think of it like this - put a bench with a vice and your pistol in it on a shooting range and squeeze the trigger anyway you want - the gun will not move and the shots will go exactly where your aiming.
@@RadekSkylark More to do with NOT having your hands UNDER the trigger guard when there is a big giant serrated notch on the front of it. Duh...I don't care I'm doin' it muh way! Der Der Der.....
In Georgia here I will get most of my ammonia from bass pro shop most people I know order it online and there’s a place here in Georgia call Adventure Outdoors they have a ton of ammo so if the situation has not changed where everybody’s at try them ( I think they both do Internet orders and shipping) and see because the other day they have boxes of 50 count 100 count and 1000 round count on 9 mm but they are a little bit high at $25 for a box of 50 federal I’ve been getting it for 18 and $19 A box at Academy Sports and Bass Pro shops here in Georgia for brands like cc Blazer Federal and Winchester. I drive a truck so I don’t really order anything online because I live by myself and I don’t want stuff being shipped to my house when I’m not here so I can go to the stores and get it it’s starting to become a little more available but I don’t know what’s fixing to happen from month to month so I’m just buying as much as I can get. It definitely is not cheap as it used to be that’s for damn sure.
I greatly appreciate your open-mindedness and courage to explore different, if not novel applications beyond what is traditionally accepted. The bottom-line with shooting well is that the shooter has to establish and sustain the weapon system's muzzle-breech alignment, on target, in whatever operational context (competition, combat, target practice) the shooter finally breaks her or his shot. It really doesn't matter how, only that the shooter achieves that goal. You do that perfectly with your "Sloth Grip." Great job, Kiddo!
I also have a small body frame size with small hands. This makes it very hard to control recoil. I think most of the time I lose in USPSA competitions are because I have a hard time controlling the gun. The next time I go to range I'm going to give your grip a try. Also would like to thank Sig and the whole team a big thanks to all the videos on techniques and training to help us improve our shooting. Love my Sig P320 X5 Legion for carry optics.
My 9mm Makarov with its fixed barrel blows away most "modern" 9mm compacts in accuracy AND handling bar none. You can get them used cheap...stay with the single stack mags version, I have seen problems with the dual stack mag ones :) I carry one everyday...and to bed :)
When I shoot without a weapon light, I usually put one or two fingers around the front, just like you demonstrated. I started doing it because it helped me shoot faster and stay on target easier. I have been doing this for a few years now. I am not a professional shooter, just a hobby shooter. I was in law enforcement for 16 years and that is where I got most of my training.
I love this. I started doing a version of this grip on the range before I saw this video when I just couldn't get enough strength to control my muzzle flip. It's nice to see it's not too strange since Lena does it too.
i go back and forth with a cz p07 and shadow systems xr920 this way depending on if im running a light or not. saw it cut my time back on target and recoil in half. cool to see this today from 2 years ago
Sloth Grip. I love it! I randomly experimented with this grip one day after learning about the science behind the Chiappa Rhino and actually liked it a lot.
I have short arms, so during my army training, I tended to place my left hand in the angle between magazine and handguard (or just before the handguard) on a SIG550. I had good arm strength so this helped me stabilize my gun dramatically. I got chewed out a few times for it but now I see more people doing it. Your Lena Grip feels similar, like a pistol version of it. Nice one!
I just bought a glock 30s in 45 acp. I'm have trouble controlling recoil. I was thinking of using the square trigger guard with my support index finger to get leverage to control recoil. I'm going to give it a shot. Thanks for your tip.
I use this grip with my compact handgun when using the short flushed magazine. In other words, I am getting my pinky up on the grip instead of tangling it below the grip. It also helps keep my hand out of the way of the mag release.
Thank you Lena. I actually use my forefinger in front instead of two fingers. It has improved my grip considerably. You’re an excellent teacher and I just love watching your videos. You certainly make your dad proud. Keep up the good work.❤
And that is the difference between a pro and a beginner.. a pro will always optimize the technique for best results and they do not follow common methods if it doesn't work for themself. I need to try your grip because I have the same problem with recoil control. Thank you Lena. Best wishes from Germany.
I have watched several of Lena's videos and in my opinion she is awesome at what she does. I will continue watching her and learn from her. I am 73 years old and been shooting since I was 16 years old but you are never to old to learn something new. Keep 5he videos coming by the way I have also learned a lot from Jerry.
I'm so impressed with how comfortable Lena is in front of the camera ! I don't think I've ever heard her misspeak ! And I know I don't have to say this, but you did good, Jerry ! 👍😉
Excellent idea, Lena! Now at lock-down in Austria, all shooting halls are closed. When they reopen in January, I immediately will try your grip by myself. Now I prepare it by dryfire.
I consider myself fortunate to be around while you are still working toward perfection. Otherwise, I would miss some of these really good adaptations you use to improve. I've never been fast, but I'm applying your techniques to improve.
Bob robert vogels glock grip video is solid advice as well. High grip with the support hand. He said hold as much gun as high as possible basically. We love you lena, get some!
I didn't start shooting regular 90s until I learned NOT to GRIP the pistol. Just to slot it into a soft, squishy, sticky pocket made by my hands. As soon as I start tightening a grip I start healing or anticipating and the numbers go down. I did try your two finger grip and may go back to it. Especially with your demo here. It is the pushing to get the palms to squish.
Just tried this today at the range, safe to say I prefer this grip to the traditional. I can control muzzle flip as she states in the video easier. It definitely looks and feels weird but it’s not uncomfortable. With training I can see getting better shot placement with the Lena Grip. Thanks.
Using the serrated front notch of the trigger guard with one or both of your support hand fingers IS THE NORMAL WAY. The ultra modern thumbs forward grip that first appeared circa 2004/05 is WRONG and incorrect! Always has been....
I actually just got an ad from Sig about a sale, and it had Lena holding her gun this way.... and I said, "What the heck...." And now I am running down a very interesting rabbit hole!
If it works for you then go with it. If I've learned anything in life it's what works for most isn't what works for all. Actually had a heated discussion with a trainer that said I was holding my pistol wrong till he saw my groups.
Another great example of doing "what works for you". I can not shoot fast with the usual shooting stance taught where you have both arms locked out. I can shoot accurate but not fast, whereas with the weaver stance I shoot fast and accurate. For me that opposing "push-pull" pressure applied with the weaver grip/stance provides a more stable platform, keeping my pistols on target for faster follow up shots.
I'm impressed! I have the arm/grip strength for the traditional grip BUT...this is perfect for some of the women I teach who don't have that kind of strength/grip. Awesome!!
In wrestling (also BJJ), there's the Gable Grip (developed by the legendary American Gold Medalist Dan Gable). In the Gable Grip, you keep the thumbs forward -- you don't lock them over the the fingers like many traditional grips. This allows -- or rather -- requires you to use more of the shoulder and back muscles and rely less on wrist and forearm strength. The "Lena Grip" shares some similarities with the Gable Grip. Doing that is going to transfer the some of the load from your wrists and forearms and to your shoulders, back, and structure. Pretty cool! I think you've hit upon something mechanically very sound.
Very interesting. It sure looks goofy, but it works. I think her thought process in how she went about trying to change her grip to one that offered greater control is the most important takeaway here.
I noticed the difference in your grip immediately and thought if I did that in a pistol class to help me control the recoil (73 yo female) the instructor would put me off the range. Post Covid after taking more than two years off shooting, I have difficulty controlling the recoil and so my shooting has deteriorated. I am on the verge of purchasing a full size gun with a compensator for this reason as I currently shoot a Glock 19. I am going to try it your way and if it works I will do it in my practice classes. I am book making this video for show and tell.
Smart woman...I believe they call it the "wedge grip". Even if you have a disadvantage like small hands think outside the box and make it a strong point of yours!
This is fantastic .. I have wondered about your grip for a long time .. I noticed it changed over time. This could really help my wife AND myself. Thank you Lena! .. fantastic!
@@sigsauerinc - Oh, by the way, my wife says she is going to steal my P320 RXP XCompact .. so sadly, I'm going to have to buy yet another Sig .. oh the horrors !!!!
Great points Lena and thank you for sharing what works for you! I was an instructor for the Army CID and we used the Sig P228 (M11). Many times at the range, we would have stovepipe issues with smaller females who didn’t necessarily have the grip strength, and we’d have to work on different grips. Yours is one I wish we would have thought of. (Though I believe the P228 doesn’t have as flat or pronounced front trigger guard) Again, thank you Lena and Sig for your insight! 👍 🙏, T
I noticed your dad places one finger on the trigger guard when he shots semi-autos, but has all his fingers beneath the trigger guard on the revolvers. This is interesting. I'll try this to see how it works for me, then may incorporate this into my training. Thx, young lady. We should be never too old to learn new things.
I do this but with just my index finger. My middle finger wraps around the grip, and more or less fits between my right fingers. I find that the forward pressure at the crook of my trigger hand combined with the rearward pressure of the finger hook allows me to isolate my trigger finger, and it reduces muzzle flip to the point that I never have to adjust my grip after shots anymore. I don’t even need to grip hard to use these two pressure points (the hook & crook), and while I’m not perfect (I get a bit of the shakes after a bunch of rounds), I am getting back on target very fast, and getting tons more dead centers at ten yards, even with my 3” barrel EDC.
I'm new to shooting and trying different techniques out - my best groupings were when I had 1 finger over the trigger guard. So next time I will try two hands.
Thats a great tip, something that I have done for years... but never thought too much about it. But when I don't hook front fingers, control goes out the window. Thanks Lena!
great explanation. I don't have any issues right now, but I am going to give it a try at a future range trip to see if it might have something to offer anyway. It will be interesting to try something new! Thanks!
Lena practice some isometrics with an ISO-BOW and a Bullworker SteelBow for your body size. You will be amazed. You rock already. One of the best shooters out there!
There is no set-universal way to hold your weapon to be accurate. It is basically what works for each individual…and her last name is Miculek damn it! She can hold her gun any which way she wants!!! 😆😆😆 Great video!! 👍🏼
I’m not new to shooting and by no means a pro shooter. But I was shooting my g30s today and found myself doing this sort of grip. I was having a hard time staying consistent with my shots so I set my pistol down and just stared at it and my eye caught the front of the trigger guard. So I tried this and the next 50 rounds stayed within 5 inches at 10 Yards. I thought I’ll be. This may or may not work on my difficulty pistols but on this Glock 30s it does. It’s coincidental that I came across this video. 😎 btw, the g30s has a pretty good recoil being a 45 acp.
Your dad must be very proud of you. He is very entertaining to watch he seems like an amazing guy and I hope he doesn't get mad at me for paying you this compliment. You are a very nice looking woman with great talent. Do you ever shoot competition with your dad. ?? Stay safe and stay strong.
This looks like a hybrid of what Mas Ayoob refers to as the wedge hold or wedge grip, and the older style of grip for guns with shorter trigger guards, where the index finger of the support hand wraps around the front of the trigger guard. I think I'll experiment with this grip when I go to the range later today.
Trying new things is good advise. Everyone is a little different and with Sig's high bore axis this could help a lot of other shooters that may have overlooked Sig for this reason.
Thanks for sharing! As an older shooter, I too do not have the upper body strength that I use to. My grip is the conventional thumb forward on the support hand which puts it right on top to the take down lever. After a few hundred rounds this would really wear out my thumb and it was very uncomfortable. Regrettable so much so that I sold my P320 XCarry. Gee, I wish I had seen this sooner.
Simply brilliant! Thank you Lena! I work with some female shooters and this makes sooo much sense and has really helped not only them but I'm a pretty stocky guy and I love using it with my X5. When done right - it just adds to my control. Again, thank you - it's amazing how something so simple can make all the difference. Also , can you get any frkn cuter! Bringing a whole new level to the term dead sexy! Take care.✌
Next time at the range I will see if that works for my groups. As I have gotten older I have noticed my upper body strength isn't what it used to be. Thanks for the tip.
"Sloth grip" indeed. A wise old shooter once said, "if it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid.
If it's stupid and it works! Lol 😆 lol 😆
if it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid.
it was: "If it looks stupid but it works, it isn't stupid", I believe.
If it ain't broke don't fix it!!!! Best advice my grandfather ever gave me.
I almost hold of that way but instead of two fingers on the trigger guard I got one because I have a Taurus G3 C and getting all my fingers underneath the trigger guard feels like they are slipping off tge other fingers and I cannot get my palms up against the gun as good . And my 2 fingers don’t fit underneath it so well but one finger used as a hook on the trigger guard does great for me its very comfortable to squeeze in with my palms when that combined with the isometric pull I can control the recoil more accurately with that one finger up higher to my bottom three fingers on my left dominant left hand can really squeeze in on my other fingers and squeeze palms together well while that one finger helps keep gun from rising up on recoil . Traditional grip works good but I found this great works better for me. However with a larger gun traditional grip works better but with this smaller compact The index finger works better for me for some reason.
I love to see someone who is already at the top of their field experimenting with new techniques to get even better. I think Lena has learned from her father! Thank you, Lena! Now time to try it for a while.
I suggest calling it the “Lena grip”. It sounds better and reminds everyone where it originated. Innovation is the key to success!!
She might have slightly modified it, but people have been hooking their finger on the trigger guard for fifty years.
This has really helped me with shooting my P365. Thanks Lena!😊
When Lena was a child Eric Grauffel and others have been shredding with this grip. It's not unique to Lena, but if anything, it's a testament to her skill and experience, that she came to the same conclusion on her own that other great shooters were already doing.
Jerry created a masterpiece with this one
😂 I didn't even register the family name until you mentioned Jerry
Thanks! A few decades ago we were calling your new grip "the normal grip." We did it with success for the reasons you list. What you call "traditional" is a relatively new idea that someone dreamed up and convinced a lot of people that it was the right way. People at matches like to poke fun at my grip which is the same as yours. They don't point it out so much when I eat their lunch, which is regularly. Thanks for allowing new shooters to try the "normal grip."
That cringe worthy thumbs forward grip like you are smashing a pancake with both hands and rolling your wrists down is worthless and incorrect. The engineers designed the pistols to use the "wedge hold" or one like she is using here. Massad Ayoob still uses it as well. It's checkered and notched for a reason. Trying to circumvent engineering design is idiotic because "it's my way or the highway". Your thumbs aren't supposed to be flush up against the slide slowing the cycle speed down or interfering with it's movement. You aren't supposed to be accidentally hitting the magazine release, slide stop, safety, decocker or any of that. Still...MOST of these people insist we are doing it all wrong. I've been doing this for 41 years. I never saw anybody shoot with the modern thumbs forward grip until around circa 2004/05. It's spread like wildfire since then and is akin to the second coming of Christ now. It's not comfortable at all and most your pinpoint accuracy is now gone. These days you have all these tools shooting fast at large steel plates at very close range with 9mms and barely nicking the far leading edges. Then you see Bullseye Comp guys shoot 1911 .45s ONE HANDED and put all their shots into dead center in a hole no bigger than a quarter. This "modern" technique is incorrect and WRONG. I will argue against it and despise it until the day I die. If you can't shoot a larger caliber effectively or need to "get rid of a gun" because of your technique well then the technique is WRONG! If you really want to knock the wind out of these people hand them a revolver and tell them to pull that crap with that like you do a modern semi-auto striker fired polymer 9mm. If it's a .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum you will surely DROP that revolver upon recoil or you won't be able to hit a darn thing with it effectively. Their argument is always "equipment and techniques change and advance". That is code word talk for (I am a nOoB amateur and I want to be a expert before I deserve to be one).
Who would have ever thought you can control recoil and increase accuracy by not having your hands and fingers UNDER it. The engineers put it there for a valid reason. You might as well start pressing the accelerator with your left foot if you enjoy circumventing design features and engineering.
Uhhhh....false.
@JohnDoeEagle1 You are full of shit, and likely just a square range Fudd.
I use a single finger version of this and have to say the amount of torque that can be implied onto the gun is huge. The muzzle flip can almost be eliminated making tracking the sights much easier. Great explanation Lena.
Me too. I can’t fit two fingers on any of my trigger guards
The daughter of a legend innovating for the next generation. Just wow! Thank you very much
The moment you know something,is the moment you stop learning.Such wise words!
There’s a good reason why many pistols have a squared guard with stippling on the front. This technique really gives you more leverage for reducing muzzle flip. Thanks for sharing!
Who would have ever thought you can control recoil and increase accuracy by not having your hands and fingers UNDER it. The engineers put it there for a valid reason. You might as well start pressing the accelerator with your left foot if you enjoy circumventing design features and engineering.
most people have lights/lasers in front. So, yeah, this is good for competitions and people with small hands, but for EDC?
That's exactly what I say! Just look at the design, many guns encourage to be gripped in this fashion.
@@natehall6120
Why would you circumvent a design feature the engineers incorporated into the frame of the pistol? That takes brains and common sense of epic proportions to do something like that. Might as well stomp on the accelerator with your left foot then.
Started doing this last year and it's been a game changer for me , people always say it looks wrong or funny until they see how well I can shoot compared to other so called experienced shooters , no comparison...
There is a reason why, they tell you not to put your fingers on the trigger guard. If it works well for you so be it. In reality this give you less recoil control
Have you ever tried it? It actually gives you more “recoil control”
@@manny45629 Yes I have , I’m a smaller stature person and yes this works for me , everyone is different on size and stature so everyone will have different results and opinions.
Based on my size at 5ft 6 it was a game changer for me.
Sorry that was for “Andog 609”
Sorry that was for “Andog 609”
Makes perfect sense to me. I listen carefully to any shooter at her level. Many thanks.
I use to always shoot like that. 4 years ago, got my chl. The instructor said nobody does that anymore. I’m 54. Changed my grip, all the internet experts said I was doing it wrong. I always felt like it gave better leverage to stop the muzzle rise. May have to go back to it. Oh, I did have the highest score in our class. So it worked for me. Just got tired of hearing I was doing it all wrong. Thanks for the tips. Like your videos
This was the best explanation of this grip. I can only fit one finger up on the front of the guard but it still feels super locked in when I apply the pressure she described.
Honestly love the rationale and results based logic behind the grip. I’m a bigger guy but I feel like utilizing this kind of grip could improve my ability for follow up shots.
Thanks for reinforcing my grip. I've used it for years and all the people at the ranges say "that's the way people used to grip handguns, but not now". I've never changed.
While they snicker at you behind your back! You're a known quantity.
@@situated4
They can snicker all they want when I dump a entire magazine into a hole you can cover with a U.S. quarter at 15+ yards offhand....not feet!
I am sitting in front of my computer trying the Lena grip and I can tell there is something to this! I will definitely have to try this at the range!
I've tried that with my M&P Shield. The trigger guard is rounded and so I added a small piece of skateboard tape to keep my fingers from sliding off. Works like a charm.
My cz has grooves , good thinking.
This is a perfect example of doing what works for you. This may not be a "standard" or "typical" grip but if it allows you to better control recoil and keep a steadier sight picture while working the trigger then use it. At the end of the day it's all about what makes you more accurate.
Thank you for explaining how you get good recoil control. The right answer to how to grip a pistol is whatever works for you.
Thank you for this video!! I had trouble controlling my recoil with a traditional grip. Using this grip has totally changed my speed and accuracy.
This grip worked great for me too; improved my accuracy and led to a better quality of training time. Thanks for making me a better shot :)
@@Tinker.Studio it actually has a lot to do with accuracy. If your trigger press is anything but perfect you'll inevitably move the muzzle a bit while pressing the trigger which will results in poor accuracy of your shots, especially if you have a bad grip which doesn't limit the movement created by the trigger press. With a great grip (control) small imperfections in trigger press will not result in big deviations at the muzzle thus improving accuracy of your shots. Think of it like this - put a bench with a vice and your pistol in it on a shooting range and squeeze the trigger anyway you want - the gun will not move and the shots will go exactly where your aiming.
@@RadekSkylark
More to do with NOT having your hands UNDER the trigger guard when there is a big giant serrated notch on the front of it. Duh...I don't care I'm doin' it muh way! Der Der Der.....
Can't wait till we have ammo again to try this lol..
November 2027?
That’s the truth. Please let us all know when you see ammo for decent prices
literally can’t get it anywhere
In Georgia here I will get most of my ammonia from bass pro shop most people I know order it online and there’s a place here in Georgia call Adventure Outdoors they have a ton of ammo so if the situation has not changed where everybody’s at try them ( I think they both do Internet orders and shipping) and see because the other day they have boxes of 50 count 100 count and 1000 round count on 9 mm but they are a little bit high at $25 for a box of 50 federal I’ve been getting it for 18 and $19 A box at Academy Sports and Bass Pro shops here in Georgia for brands like cc Blazer Federal and Winchester. I drive a truck so I don’t really order anything online because I live by myself and I don’t want stuff being shipped to my house when I’m not here so I can go to the stores and get it it’s starting to become a little more available but I don’t know what’s fixing to happen from month to month so I’m just buying as much as I can get. It definitely is not cheap as it used to be that’s for damn sure.
Thanks Lena! I've been doing something like this but hooking with 1 finger. The 2 finger hook actually gives me better control.
I also do this with 1 finger with my glock 19. Does really help feel locked in and control muzzle flip like a monster.
I greatly appreciate your open-mindedness and courage to explore different, if not novel applications beyond what is traditionally accepted. The bottom-line with shooting well is that the shooter has to establish and sustain the weapon system's muzzle-breech alignment, on target, in whatever operational context (competition, combat, target practice) the shooter finally breaks her or his shot. It really doesn't matter how, only that the shooter achieves that goal. You do that perfectly with your "Sloth Grip." Great job, Kiddo!
I also have a small body frame size with small hands. This makes it very hard to control recoil. I think most of the time I lose in USPSA competitions are because I have a hard time controlling the gun. The next time I go to range I'm going to give your grip a try. Also would like to thank Sig and the whole team a big thanks to all the videos on techniques and training to help us improve our shooting. Love my Sig P320 X5 Legion for carry optics.
If you're small handed use a gun with smaller grip. The cz p10 is awesome
My 9mm Makarov with its fixed barrel blows away most "modern" 9mm compacts in accuracy AND handling bar none. You can get them used cheap...stay with the single stack mags version, I have seen problems with the dual stack mag ones :) I carry one everyday...and to bed :)
No I am not a Russian sympathizer...My Macs are actually Bulgarian, new manufacture, un-issued and fully available.
When I shoot without a weapon light, I usually put one or two fingers around the front, just like you demonstrated. I started doing it because it helped me shoot faster and stay on target easier. I have been doing this for a few years now. I am not a professional shooter, just a hobby shooter. I was in law enforcement for 16 years and that is where I got most of my training.
I love this. I started doing a version of this grip on the range before I saw this video when I just couldn't get enough strength to control my muzzle flip. It's nice to see it's not too strange since Lena does it too.
i go back and forth with a cz p07 and shadow systems xr920 this way depending on if im running a light or not. saw it cut my time back on target and recoil in half. cool to see this today from 2 years ago
Sloth Grip. I love it! I randomly experimented with this grip one day after learning about the science behind the Chiappa Rhino and actually liked it a lot.
Thank you for explaining your logic on this grip. Obviously it works well for you. Always open to new ideas.
I have short arms, so during my army training, I tended to place my left hand in the angle between magazine and handguard (or just before the handguard) on a SIG550. I had good arm strength so this helped me stabilize my gun dramatically. I got chewed out a few times for it but now I see more people doing it. Your Lena Grip feels similar, like a pistol version of it. Nice one!
This is the Lena's video I'd been looking for some time. I'd watched it about a year ago. Thank you.
You're very welcome!
Thanks Lena. I have Arthritis in my hands and this grip has made a huge difference in my shooting.
I just bought a glock 30s in 45 acp. I'm have trouble controlling recoil. I was thinking of using the square trigger guard with my support index finger to get leverage to control recoil. I'm going to give it a shot. Thanks for your tip.
I use this grip with my compact handgun when using the short flushed magazine. In other words, I am getting my pinky up on the grip instead of tangling it below the grip. It also helps keep my hand out of the way of the mag release.
Love the video. in the army we used to say, 'if it's stupid but it works, it's not stupid.' so glad to see innovation that works.
Thank you Lena. I actually use my forefinger in front instead of two fingers. It has improved my grip considerably. You’re an excellent teacher and I just love watching your videos. You certainly make your dad proud. Keep up the good work.❤
And that is the difference between a pro and a beginner.. a pro will always optimize the technique for best results and they do not follow common methods if it doesn't work for themself. I need to try your grip because I have the same problem with recoil control. Thank you Lena. Best wishes from Germany.
I have watched several of Lena's videos and in my opinion she is awesome at what she does. I will continue watching her and learn from her. I am 73 years old and been shooting since I was 16 years old but you are never to old to learn something new. Keep 5he videos coming by the way I have also learned a lot from Jerry.
I'm so impressed with how comfortable Lena is in front of the camera !
I don't think I've ever heard her misspeak !
And I know I don't have to say this, but you did good, Jerry !
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Excellent idea, Lena! Now at lock-down in Austria, all shooting halls are closed. When they reopen in January, I immediately will try your grip by myself. Now I prepare it by dryfire.
I use the same grip since watching this but just use one finger as two won't fit. It's improved my groups significantly. Thank you!
That grip works, I used it for a while, but decided to get a pistol light, so back to traditional for me. Lena Grip!!
I consider myself fortunate to be around while you are still working toward perfection. Otherwise, I would miss some of these really good adaptations you use to improve. I've never been fast, but I'm applying your techniques to improve.
Bob robert vogels glock grip video is solid advice as well. High grip with the support hand. He said hold as much gun as high as possible basically. We love you lena, get some!
I use this grip and agree 100%! Let's you get further forward on the gun with your support hand and gives you a lot more control!
I didn't start shooting regular 90s until I learned NOT to GRIP the pistol. Just to slot it into a soft, squishy, sticky pocket made by my hands. As soon as I start tightening a grip I start healing or anticipating and the numbers go down. I did try your two finger grip and may go back to it. Especially with your demo here. It is the pushing to get the palms to squish.
Just tried this today at the range, safe to say I prefer this grip to the traditional. I can control muzzle flip as she states in the video easier. It definitely looks and feels weird but it’s not uncomfortable. With training I can see getting better shot placement with the Lena Grip. Thanks.
Using the serrated front notch of the trigger guard with one or both of your support hand fingers IS THE NORMAL WAY.
The ultra modern thumbs forward grip that first appeared circa 2004/05 is WRONG and incorrect! Always has been....
love the idea of using your bone structure, even if you have strong arms, they will get fatigued. bones don't get tired.
I actually just got an ad from Sig about a sale, and it had Lena holding her gun this way.... and I said, "What the heck...." And now I am running down a very interesting rabbit hole!
If it works for you then go with it. If I've learned anything in life it's what works for most isn't what works for all. Actually had a heated discussion with a trainer that said I was holding my pistol wrong till he saw my groups.
I noticed Lenas grip in a different video. Glad she explained. Keep up the good work.
Glad you liked it!
A lot of pistols have serrations on front of trgger guard. They are there for a reason.
Another great example of doing "what works for you". I can not shoot fast with the usual shooting stance taught where you have both arms locked out. I can shoot accurate but not fast, whereas with the weaver stance I shoot fast and accurate. For me that opposing "push-pull" pressure applied with the weaver grip/stance provides a more stable platform, keeping my pistols on target for faster follow up shots.
I'm impressed! I have the arm/grip strength for the traditional grip BUT...this is perfect for some of the women I teach who don't have that kind of strength/grip. Awesome!!
Gonna give the Lena grip when I go to the range later this week.
In wrestling (also BJJ), there's the Gable Grip (developed by the legendary American Gold Medalist Dan Gable). In the Gable Grip, you keep the thumbs forward -- you don't lock them over the the fingers like many traditional grips. This allows -- or rather -- requires you to use more of the shoulder and back muscles and rely less on wrist and forearm strength. The "Lena Grip" shares some similarities with the Gable Grip. Doing that is going to transfer the some of the load from your wrists and forearms and to your shoulders, back, and structure. Pretty cool! I think you've hit upon something mechanically very sound.
Very interesting. It sure looks goofy, but it works. I think her thought process in how she went about trying to change her grip to one that offered greater control is the most important takeaway here.
Lucky enough to find this channel. Thank you so much Ms. Miculek.
I noticed the difference in your grip immediately and thought if I did that in a pistol class to help me control the recoil (73 yo female) the instructor would put me off the range. Post Covid after taking more than two years off shooting, I have difficulty controlling the recoil and so my shooting has deteriorated. I am on the verge of purchasing a full size gun with a compensator for this reason as I currently shoot a Glock 19. I am going to try it your way and if it works I will do it in my practice classes. I am book making this video for show and tell.
Smart woman...I believe they call it the "wedge grip". Even if you have a disadvantage like small hands think outside the box and make it a strong point of yours!
I went to this grip...it has made a difference....a significant difference..I'll stay with it..THANK YOU...Imagine, learning from a WORLD CHAMPION...
Thank you, Lena. That’s exactly how I hold my Springfield XDS 3.3” 9mm!
It just feels right to me too. 😃
Thank you Lena! Finally, I found that I am not alone!
Thank you, Lena! My wife is petite like you, and has issues with recoil management. I will show her this video and see if she likes it! 👍
Hate to admit it but I shoot like a girl. I've been using her grip technique for a while now and it has really improved my follow up shots. Great tip.
Toolbox talk! I've seen Lena shoot and it's humbling. I shoot an X5 Legion and love it. Thanks for the tips.
Other shooters have mentioned this style grip before, but she demonstrated it more clearly.
I have been using the 'palm squeezing' concept for awhile now as well. I will try this my next range day.
Great videos as always. I always wondered why trigger guards were squared and serrated. Standing on the shoulders of giants...
This is fantastic .. I have wondered about your grip for a long time .. I noticed it changed over time. This could really help my wife AND myself. Thank you Lena! .. fantastic!
Glad it was helpful!
@@sigsauerinc - Absolutely! .. going to take my awesome P238, P365 and P320 to the range and try it out!!! ... Sig Rocks!
@@sigsauerinc - Oh, by the way, my wife says she is going to steal my P320 RXP XCompact .. so sadly, I'm going to have to buy yet another Sig .. oh the horrors !!!!
Great points Lena and thank you for sharing what works for you! I was an instructor for the Army CID and we used the Sig P228 (M11). Many times at the range, we would have stovepipe issues with smaller females who didn’t necessarily have the grip strength, and we’d have to work on different grips. Yours is one I wish we would have thought of. (Though I believe the P228 doesn’t have as flat or pronounced front trigger guard)
Again, thank you Lena and Sig for your insight! 👍
🙏, T
I noticed your dad places one finger on the trigger guard when he shots semi-autos, but has all his fingers beneath the trigger guard on the revolvers. This is interesting. I'll try this to see how it works for me, then may incorporate this into my training. Thx, young lady. We should be never too old to learn new things.
I do this but with just my index finger. My middle finger wraps around the grip, and more or less fits between my right fingers. I find that the forward pressure at the crook of my trigger hand combined with the rearward pressure of the finger hook allows me to isolate my trigger finger, and it reduces muzzle flip to the point that I never have to adjust my grip after shots anymore. I don’t even need to grip hard to use these two pressure points (the hook & crook), and while I’m not perfect (I get a bit of the shakes after a bunch of rounds), I am getting back on target very fast, and getting tons more dead centers at ten yards, even with my 3” barrel EDC.
I'm new to shooting and trying different techniques out - my best groupings were when I had 1 finger over the trigger guard. So next time I will try two hands.
Thats a great tip, something that I have done for years... but never thought too much about it. But when I don't hook front fingers, control goes out the window. Thanks Lena!
I noticed your unique grip in the 1million dollar gun collection video ❤️. I can't wait to get to the range to try it out 💯👍 Thank you
i have been shooting with that grip for some time. it works better for me, happy to know i am not the only one to use it.
She is brilliant- great person to sponsor - thank you
great explanation.
I don't have any issues right now, but I am going to give it a try at a future range trip to see if it might have something to offer anyway.
It will be interesting to try something new!
Thanks!
I use that grip with my .45's especially the Glock 30 which isn't much larger than the little Glock 26 . I always enjoy your programs .
Lena practice some isometrics with an ISO-BOW and a Bullworker SteelBow for your body size. You will be amazed. You rock already. One of the best shooters out there!
I’ve been shooting pistols/ training for over 30 years, never seen that, but I’m going to try that. It makes sense
I will try this grip! Thank you for the detailed explanation ❤️
There is no set-universal way to hold your weapon to be accurate. It is basically what works for each individual…and her last name is Miculek damn it! She can hold her gun any which way she wants!!! 😆😆😆 Great video!! 👍🏼
This is very similar to how I grip because I have poor grip strength due to a connective tissue disorder. So I got creative. Very cool!
Really good advise. I don't have proper grip on my dominant hand because of my short fingers.
I’m not new to shooting and by no means a pro shooter. But I was shooting my g30s today and found myself doing this sort of grip. I was having a hard time staying consistent with my shots so I set my pistol down and just stared at it and my eye caught the front of the trigger guard. So I tried this and the next 50 rounds stayed within 5 inches at 10 Yards. I thought I’ll be. This may or may not work on my difficulty pistols but on this Glock 30s it does. It’s coincidental that I came across this video. 😎 btw, the g30s has a pretty good recoil being a 45 acp.
Your dad must be very proud of you. He is very entertaining to watch he seems like an amazing guy and I hope he doesn't get mad at me for paying you this compliment.
You are a very nice looking woman with great talent.
Do you ever shoot competition with your dad. ?? Stay safe and stay strong.
Well said, great explanation of the technique.
Excellent Lena! Love your videos!!! Thank you for your tips. Please keep up the good work.
This looks like a hybrid of what Mas Ayoob refers to as the wedge hold or wedge grip, and the older style of grip for guns with shorter trigger guards, where the index finger of the support hand wraps around the front of the trigger guard.
I think I'll experiment with this grip when I go to the range later today.
I love when she tells me what to do.
Trying new things is good advise. Everyone is a little different and with Sig's high bore axis this could help a lot of other shooters that may have overlooked Sig for this reason.
Thanks for sharing! As an older shooter, I too do not have the upper body strength that I use to. My grip is the conventional thumb forward on the support hand which puts it right on top to the take down lever. After a few hundred rounds this would really wear out my thumb and it was very uncomfortable. Regrettable so much so that I sold my P320 XCarry. Gee, I wish I had seen this sooner.
Love the grip but love the glasses even more. Thanks Lena!
Simply brilliant! Thank you Lena! I work with some female shooters and this makes sooo much sense and has really helped not only them but I'm a pretty stocky guy and I love using it with my X5. When done right - it just adds to my control. Again, thank you - it's amazing how something so simple can make all the difference. Also , can you get any frkn cuter! Bringing a whole new level to the term dead sexy! Take care.✌
Do I need to remind you who her father is? 😝
Lots of pistol trigger guards are designed for that grip,not for me but you can see it is stable.
Next time at the range I will see if that works for my groups. As I have gotten older I have noticed my upper body strength isn't what it used to be. Thanks for the tip.
My left hand is partially paralyzed so I've been shooting one handed as I cant really grip well with my left. Gonna give this a try.