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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2014
- The Free Speech audience debates Scottish independence in Edinburgh.
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I am an Englishman and I have no problem with Scottish independence. In fact I wish you the very best of luck! As long as we’re all respectful then I see no true problem. Everyone have a good day!
It’ll take 5 years to become an EU member....so limbo for SNP while Britain moves on!
Dear God, where do you get that from??
Andrew Morton she's right that's if there Admitted to the EU .Spain will veto it takes only 1 country to say no .
@@andrewmorton7482 out of the EU's mouth.Scotland would have to apply and it could take 5 years or more. 2 countries have already said they would veto.So Sturgeon is having herself on.
@@truebluebears76 Andrew Morten is correct it requires the divergence of certain conditions before entry it is not based on any time scale. Spain has said they have no objections when Scotland applies as an independent country that's a fact you can check up on, and yes it does only take I country to say no but that also includes a Westminster trade deal with the EU. So you are nowhere near being out of the woods yet and there is a large pro Scotland support already in the EU when free of Westminster don`t be surprised when it turns out they are more pro Scotland than you think at present.
@@paigeleaf4581 what two countries have said they oppose the democratic right of an Independent European country to join the EU which is the first article of EU treaty? Spain has said it opposes while the UK is still a member Scotland gains independence from Westminster and automatically becomes a member, which isn`t going to happen, suggest you update yourself with the correct facts, and although it only takes one country to prevent Scots joining it requires the country who opposes to have a valid reason for doing so, it is not left to a whim a single country they will have to explain why to the rest of the EU. The world doesn't think like Englishmen where only their interests are important most take a fair view of it.
Good luck for Brexit and Boris! Greetings from Switzerland and welcome in the club!
You do realize you won't walk into the EU, what then, i really hope you get independence, i will personally glad to see the back of shitty Scotland, nothing but a drain on england, free loaders
I believe that we will be followed by the Greeks Italians the Spanish and the French
It's interesting that your arguments come from Scottish independence which you want be if you're in the EU to the hating and Boris Johnson which is irrelevant after 5 to 10 years time. At this time 'so called Scottish oil is owned by others & the income through taxes will reduce overtime, it is very likely that SNP will tax them out of profit & they will close down. If the EU tariff us we will tariff the and u as part of the EU where is your food and drinks industry then as you sell more to th UK than any other???
The yes campaign here have turned the debate from Pro-independence into anti-Tory. Fair play to Ruth for sticking to the subject.
Scotland has already failed under the SNP God help us.
Jimmy boy am actually Scottish to core and resent this SNP government ruining Scotland Tories ,labour,any party except them there bad for your health and bad for your pocket just have think before you vote this week if you are voting for Nicola against our will Sturgeons party
Yes we know they have failed to provide free subscriptions and free university tuition for our ppl we know.
80% of Scots seats for Westminster 48 of 59
disagree with you. But don`t allow democracy to get in your way.
I am not interested in the technicalities of running the country I am only interested in the in the persons fitness to do such a job and it’s obvious that by Nicola Sturgeon actions in this vidio that she is clearly unfit for such a job her actions where like some one who has just scored a goal against Glasgow Rangers.
@Peugeot David The King "proud Scottish protestants?? don`t you mean Orange men? you need to get passed your religious "big o Tory" the SNP is dominated by Presbyterians. ie Protestants.
Let them LEAVE..!!
As an Englishman I've no problem in Scotland wanting to be Independent,after all it only came part of England when a Scottish king took the English throne.However I personally would like Scotland to remain in the UK.Ive watched several debates and not one Scottish MP as explained the benefits of remaining or leaving the UK.For instance what currency will you use,will it be the euro?after all it can't use sterling,what happens to the ship building yards.There is so many questions that need to be answered.My last point which I've wrestling with is Scotland's government wants Scotland to be an independent nation but surely if Scotland applies to join the European Union then where is your independence? Scotland would be subject to Brussels and all that goes with it.Anyway it's up to you the Scottish people and I hope you make the right decision,their is that old saying the grass looks greener on the other side.
Scotland has never been part of England. Being part of the 'United' Kingdom is not the same thing, and neither was the union of crowns from 1603-1707.
when did we become part of England?
Bryan Collier there lots of Scottish people who want to stay Sturgeon has her own agenda
He meant the union between scotland and england when king James took the throne in England.
Bryan Collier Bryan we have already voted and it was stay .Its Sturgeon that's the problem she's stoking up anti English feeling in Scotland she's a dangerous woman .
As soon as a vote to leave the UK took place, The British Government needs to dismantle it's military infrastructure and Banking in Scotland, and bring the Subs, and ship Building to England. It would not be right providing Foreigners with Jobs who vote not to be British.
@Tom Sanders We would also invite the skilled working in Scotland, to come and work in England and continue in their jobs and a nice way of life :)
It's about time the Scots started paying for prescriptions again. Why should the rest of the UK have to pay them when the Scots don't
because we told our politicians that's what we want, you let the Tories tell you what you will get.
Should it not be that you get free prescriptions as well rather than the Scots not getting them?
@@arthurfnshelby4335 well of course but the Tories don`t think so, do I detect a bit of resentment that Scots politicians are listening to the voters wants and the Tory are not? if the English voter wants free prescription, vote for it and make sure the Tory boys are listening, we have free education here in Scotland the Tory stopped in England and are now offering free education again, the are now putting 20,000 police back on the streets the same number they removed in the last five years, now England playing catchy up?last Autumn the Tories said they would keep the workers rights after Brexit, yesterday the Tory cut the rights of workers as Boris had his Brexit bill passed through parliament more promises broken , but in all fairness it was the stupid Labour voters that put Boris into the position to be able to make the changes, Boris has now put 11 months on trade talks that take years to conclude under normal circumstances, No deal Brexit back on the table, Tories made the mickey of English Labour supporters, they deserve the misery the Tory will inflict them.
Dole, pensions, education, health, defence, social services, utilities, transport? These folk will have to sell a very great many more haggises to cover this bill. Numpties...
Scotland has no money. That's the real issue. It will have to beg the EU to let it in. Europe already has one Albania. Why would it want another?
Greece? They wish... More like Albania a complete basket case... When I think of little Krankie, one word springs to mind. Hubris.
@@dpurcell5 Scotland has the oil and it will get full benefit of it which will be plenty to pay for the rest! The EU will be pleased to accept Scotland as a member.
And when the oil runs out? The EU may be a nest of self-seeking bureaucrats, but stupid it isn't...Good luck - you'll need lots of it.
dpurcell5 when the oil runs out, we’ll be just fine! Oil income is only the icing on the cake. We have a healthy economy. Full stop. Less so without Europe.
Gotta laugh at people like Martin Compston...fanatical about Scottish independence yet lives in America..
Reminds me of Alec Baldwin in Team America
As much as I'm in favour of a unified UK it is up to the people of Scotland and Northern Ireland even Wales for that matter to decide their own destinies by means of the democratic process but we need to be under no illusion that there will be hard borders between our countries once Brexit becomes reality. My fear would be if the EU breaks up which is a distinct possibility, they will have to fend for themselves
All the time ,all i see and hear, is Scotland, Wales, and the north of Ireland. One day, one day, the name of ENGLAND, might just be heard by politicians, not as " Uk " one day we might even stand and be proud to be ENGLISH, at last !
EU have just got stronger, even the parties who were touting the same as Farage have seen the disaster of Brexit on the UK and have backed off.
As Farage said, they will all follow UK......... not one. not one has jumped off the cliff only dumb UK did.
@@82davidjohnson nice idea but there aint alot to be proud of. Immigration sort of making the concept a moot point. England belongs to me?
A lot of big businesses will move south.
If they haven’t already left the UK altogether to stay in the EU.
@@IzzyM999 I doubt that will happen, as the EU is going down the pan anyway.
Isabel Melville typically thick remoaner.
What - like they said business will rush to Brexit England. You see how that worked out eh.
If the people of Scotland wanted independence they would have voted for it on the 18th September 2014 .just like the Labour party wanting a second referendum on Brexit .Its Pathetic. it seems to have become the norm that if the vote go's against someone they call for another vote ,hopeing that people will change there minds .sorry but that's totaly undemocratic you should be respecting the will of the Scotish people not disrespecting them .
Well then, they shouldn't have lied eh. You don't lie and get to keep the prize.
We should stop giving them the billions we give them now. Just to show them what they are going to leave like.
England give Scotland billions , I don’t think so,
Exactly the SNP have said that for years but Englishmen don`t listen so what is it stupidity or intelligence they use here?
You mean like Europe is going to do to you?
@@NJ4KTV 😁😁😁😁😁😁
@@Oder-zi3od the eu will have a hard border for you in the future manned by EU military representing Scotland that's the plan an EU Army
let em go and rebuild the bloody wall,end of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can pay for it then moron oh but England couldn't you don't have a pot to piss in with your £ 2 Trillion debt dafty!
Paul Wilson ..Let the Italians pay for it , the Romans paid for the first one and they were Italians , I see no problems at all with that , the EU Italians rebuild their first wall , they let it fall to ruins , let them rebuild it , they were quick enough to want to control England in the past, now let them control the wall , after all their part of the EU, and Scotland loves the EU , all seems so easy to me .
++danemsha++ The "bloody wall" you speak of has NEVER been a border between England and Scotland. It is situated in the English counties of Northumberland, Tyne and Wear and Cumberland. It is Not and never has been, on or even near, the Scottish Border.
@I'LL BE BACK ! Scotland actually doesn't have any debt as it doesn't borrow money!
danemsha we want our sheep back
Scotland wont be able to go independent financially without having the heaviest tax in Europe, and the EU have already said that they will not foot the bill that Westminster withdraws (ie; NHS .. unless the plan is to go private ). Nicola Sturgeon may be stupid, but the majority of Scottish people are not.
It is about time Westminster published the financial bill for Scotland being part of the Union, and let the Scottish people see for themselves how much they need to raise on their own.
YES the Scots have said for years Westminster should indeed publish the amounts taken from the "£158 billion yearly GDP Scottish economy, very strange that it doesn`t especially were it will prove Westminster is right? can you think of a reason that proving their point can only work in their favour? the English are a funny lot they avoid even the most common sense thing to do?
Remember that policy that gives Scotland extra money than they bring in to stop them sinking? They technically get more per person than the UK and they bring in far less lol.
Let them have their independence.
I love it in Scotland and I'd prefer to live there personally but the only reason they can get free education and many other things is due to the hangouts given by the UKs economy
and yet Boris and co don't agree with you. He is clinging on until his nails bleed. So why would he be doing that if he can steal even more money from you.
Something doesn't make sense - have you worked it out yet?
You are an actor with no clue what you are talking about Martin:
*1)* Because the oil companies take a large share of that wholesale price of oil, in other words, the government does NOT see the wholesale price of oil, a lot of that goes to the private companes. And don't start me with your dictatorship of how you're going to Nationalise them, those Private businesses will just up sticks and move to England if you try your dictatorship like that. And if private companies across Scotland see you trying to Nationalise them, those other private companies will up sticks and leave.
*2)* Venezuela is a country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world, in 1999 Hugo Chávez took over, they were sitting 75th on the freedom index, after Democratic Socialism had finished with them, they were sitting 175th on the freedom index, having become one of the most repressed countries in the world. With food shortages and blackouts, that's the true face of Socialism.
So really, you have two choices;
*1)* Austerity and cuts to taxation to open the market economy.
OR
*2)* Increase all your Socialism, watch taxation rise, and all your job creators pack their bags and leave the country.
It's wonderful understanding economics, I'll tell you that, why? Because you get to see you lot make an arse of it and then you wonder why it happened. Well I'm telling you right now what will happen, just remember these words, because it WILL happen. You look at those two options, because that's the only two options you have. All this nonsense about escaping austerity, you basically oppose what fixes your economy but you love what destroys it. It's the truth!
Libertarian Views Scotty M the rules for Scotland joining the EU are clear: five years in the waiting room (they might argue for less because of previously proven alignment), surrender currency to take Euro (no negotiable for all new members), non-negotiable deficit of 3% of GDP (Scotland’s is currently about 8% so heavy cuts/discipline/“austerity” to hope to meet that target - that might be what keeps them in the waiting room, hitting that 3%), all fish become EU property, free movement (which would then be an issue with Rump UK!!!), issues with border with RUK, which currently takes 85% of Scotland’s goods and services...
My question is: How much does the SNP believe how much of the UK national debt belongs to Scotland?
8% seems about right. That's our share of the UK population
@@andrewmorton7482 That's a good assessment Andrew that comes to an enormous amount of money. I hope Scots realise they will have that bill should they vote to leave anytime.
Also pay for Prescriptions and pay Uni fees amongst other perks .
What they fail to tell ypu is if scotland goes independent , they will loose all the navy ship building , they want the nukes gone.. they wil loose all the jobs connected with the navy bases , all the jobs thst depend on the navy being there , all the jobs with all the other armed services ...
Based on population, less than 10% only Westminster can borrow money and apportion Scots it share, but it should also be noted that they pay 14% of all taxes raised in the UK, and that 85% of all tax raised in Scotland is returned to London before Barnett is applied, it would indeed be nice to know just how much of Barnett is actually English money that will shock quite a few, just one of the Reasons Westminster avoids being specific about how much money they actually take from Scotland.
Vote was out get over it
Mad Drivers101 are you english wee hen?
@@itsme1863 bet he is 🤣
Let Scotland go independent,i reckon after approximately five years they will be bankrupt and begging for aid !!!!!!!
It's a pipe dream. Scotland simply can not afford it, irrespective.
Scotland is a penniless province of the UK. It is a burden on the funder of all its services. Poor little Krankie would discover this the moment she starts her overtures to admit Scotland to the EU. They will surely think that one Albania is enough... Good luck! Fandabbidoozi!!
It's not just Scotland who has food banks. I was in Tescos and they were collecting food from customers for the food bank. My late wife and I went and did our shopping. I took another trolley and put into it, food for the food bank. It cost me in excess of £30. I am a pensioner, and was at the time, but we helped a little for the less fortunate.
Food banks is the only growth Westminster has managed and its a failure of Government. Which should never be normalised.
Martin Compton lives in Las Vegas! A good. Representative for living in Scotland! Another luvvie.....
I hope they’re not depending heavily on north sea oil. It was British money that prospected and developed those oil fields not Scottish.
In case you forget, that British money was partly Scottish but, lets not nit pick. The fact remains that the UK government sold the licences and the whole of the UK benefitted from the oil found in British waters, that was a good thing. Even after the oil and gas eventually dries up there will be about 30 years of plug and abandonment work to be done and that will bring in good revenue for the country.
BTW, most of the money came from overseas, we were on our uppers at the time. The IMF had to bail the UK out remember.
Graham B I fully agree. I’m making the point that Scotland does not have sole right.
@@baseline33 And I simply pointed out that you made the statement that it was British money and seemed to ignore that some of that British money was actually Scottish money.
@@grahamb5930 British is scottish are you ok?
@@polaris7122 Yes, I'm fine thank you, bit of a shit day but, thank you for asking.
Being Scottish I'm perfectly aware that Scotland is a part of Britain (or the UK). I simply pointed out that the "British" money that Baseline commented on included Scottish money so, any ownership would be partly Scottish. Baseline is making the assumption that the "British" money was some sort of gift to the Scots.
They want to stay part of the EU but they don't want the Euro currency they want the pound?
England is by far Scotlands biggest trading partner
Scotland doesn't want to be governed by England, but they want the European Union to govern them?
The list could go on and on. I hope the Scottish people think long and hard before leaving the U.K.
They have, get used to it, they are leaving
Easy....just blame England.
Empress Nicola, she that walks on water cannot be blamed for anything.
Just blame the Eu for English Failures.
Really you've seen her walk on water?
@@nntflow7058 might as well, the EU has buggered up every other member country.
Eating porridge makes you mad.
Yes and for three hundred years it took the English to pacify the Scot nation with a population one tenth the size of England and they serve Scots porridge today to troops in the British Army. It was the porridge munchers at Balaklava not an Englishman in sight they hadn`t eaten their porridge.
apparently its great for wallpaper .
I grew up in London in 60/70s and you knew who the sweaties were .they were tthe ones with a bottle of white spirit shouting at buses
And they eat it with salt not sugar. Ask my father in law.
@@andrewpaddison2565 sure not for softies puts hair where you don`t need it and its on the menu every morning for British troops at breakfast. What further endorsement could one want?
Sturgeon's problem not ours .
Going to be renamed jockeystan
Ingurlund is already called englistan
Why don't the English people get a vote.
if Scotland does go independent,just think of the monies Britain will save in NHS and Benefits alone,I personally don’t think the majority of Scottish people’s realise what independent from Britain truly means,i reckon they are in for one hell of a wake up call !!!!!!
So, no one in Scotland works and pays taxes?? The English single-handedly finance the NHS for all of the UK??
Didn't know that...must be because it's bullshit.
Under the Barnett Formula Scotland recieves over £1610 per head, yes that's right, per head, over and above the allotment for England. This has been justified on the basis of the cost of the infra- structure needed to maintain scattered communities in the Highlands and Islands. Nowhere have I seen any proposal of how this funding shortfall will be met when the Barnett Formula subsidy ceases upon independence. The EU cannot be relied upon to help, except by Greek style bail out which will have very restrictive strings attached. Assuming Scotland remains in the EU, it will have to accept the Euro, and be part of the only major trading block whose share of world trade is steadily diminishing. . . expected to fall to a mere 15% in less than 5 years. Compliance with the terms of the Lisbon treaty would require that Scottish armed forces fall under a central European command, which might not sit well with many in Scotland.
To return for a moment to Barnett Formula allowance, if the SNP are so confident that Scotland can go it alone does it need the Barnett Formula allowance at all, or has it simply become the milch cow nourishing the "free stuff" so generously provided by them? If there is no longer real need for it, it should cease immediately because that would mean it would mean it had been taken under false pretences. None of the above should be construed as being anti Scottish, far from it, I wish you well and hope for a prosperous and friendly future for us all, they are simply questions that need to be addressed in an open and honest way, all emotion and I'll tempered rhetoric removed. Everyone should be made aware of the true level per head of Scottish taxation, gross, and the nett figure after Barnett allowance and up to date justifications for it's payment. The SNP should come clean on how it would deal with this.
++Barry Fullick++ So glad you brought up some details of the Barnett Formula Mate. I wonder how many Scots have even heard of it. Maybe the Wee Crankie should include some choice excerpts from it next time she opens her bloody great mouth.
++@juscurious++ And that 5.4 million are concentrated for the most part in cities where the herd instinct, especially for Scots, predominates. Much of the rest of the country is uninhabited and indeed uninhabitable. Enforced immigration, courtesy of the EU would therefore affect the already overcrowded areas rather than the country as a whole, with obvious consequences for all concerned.
85% of all taxes raised in Scotland are returned to London before Barnett is applied, what is the yearly amount paid to London? its a closely guarded secret. Now any simple accountant will tell you that one can only determine the cost of anything when you know how much you have coming in? since Westminster knows per head how much it pay`s out it can not accurately state what it pays out with any certainty? Yet they never release this vital information that can save them so much trouble and end the independence debate and secure the Union, the only kind of government that does that is those frightened of the truth come clean as you say would be a good idea for Westminster. Since we don`t know what Scots pay in lets assume they pay more per head in tax in Scotland, that would explain and justify the higher level of spending there? yet Westminster is in no hurry to expose this as false situation which makes them look suspicious and rightly so, this is any easy point for the reluctant Tories and Westminster to resolve but can`t or won`t.
Hahahahaha, love how you keep clinging to this debunked nonsense....sure smells like desperation.
@@JohnSmith-pd1fz Yea, why don't you do it ?
Man at 2:25 predicted it 2 years in advance.
So did Nicola Sturgeon in her debate with Lib dem's. She said Scotland could get pulled out of the EU against their will.
Joan McAlpine, have this for strengths, you ready for this?
*NORWAY*
*>* strong free market principles
*>* strong private enterprise
*>* strong government intervention / welfare statism causing severe economic problems in their economy.
*DENMARK*
*>* strong free market principles
*>* strong business freedom
*>* low levels of regulation
*>* low levels of government interference
*>* strong private enterprise
*>* low levels of nationalisation
*>* almost no government protectionism
*SWEDEN*
*>* strong free market principles
*>* strong business freedom
*>* low levels of regulation
*>* low levels of government interference
*>* strong private enterprise
*>* low levels of nationalisation
*>* almost no government protectionism
*FINLAND*
*>* strong free market principles
*>* strong business freedom
*>* low levels of regulation
*>* low levels of government interference
*>* strong private enterprise
*>* low levels of nationalisation
*>* almost no government protectionism
*ICELAND*
*>* strong free market principles
*>* strong business freedom
*>* low levels of regulation
*>* low levels of government interference
*>* strong private enterprise
*>* low levels of nationalisation
*>* almost no government protectionism
Why is this important to note? Because SCOTLAND will never in a month of Sundays be like those countries, why? Because you know and I know it, this country spat vile in the face of a woman who saved the British economy, MARGARET THATCHER!
Linwood no more, enough said????
and very high taxes
You obviously never lived in Scotland when she was in power. The oil revenue was great, ( for the S. E. of England) then, she trialled the poll tax, shut the mines, cars at linwood, shut down the smelters, oh yeh, she was Great for Scotland.
I’m sorry to have to tell you but Scotland would not be able to stand alone Scotland economically alone would be a failure and a mass failure at that the Eu have already indicated that Scotland cannot join the Eu on its own merits. then you would end up with one crisis after another it’s time to clime down off your high horse and realising that it may sound good if you say it fast in reality you all know it’s better for all to stand together
Before I retired I worked for many years in the construction industries. Until eastern European workers took over Irish and Scots nationals made up a high percentage of the workforce. In my experience the Irish rarely complained about their "treatment" by the English, they simply got on with their work and always did a brilliant job. Conversely I have to say I never, in all of twenty five years in the industry, never, met a Scot who did not incessantly moan, groan and complain about the English and their perceived mistreatment of Scottish people going back centuries. We were blamed for every misfortune ever to befall Scotland, from the Tay Bridge disaster to the supposed disappearance of Nessie, now here we are, seeing it all again with a new injection of bile and hatred. Dear Scotland, you say you want independence from the oppressive English rule but at the same time you say you want to become a member of the EU. What sort of independence do you think you could possible get by becoming a member of the most subversive group of self interested liars the world has seen for almost a century.
Thanks very much for your memories however I spent many years in a former British colony and the locals had nothing decent to say about the English having had only experience of being colonised pushed aside and rated as some what less than equal to the English, needless to say they are a Republic today as is many ex British territories, if true hatred is the cause then remember 54 nations have taken independence from Westminster that's a lot of hate? Independence that's first a decision for Scots they neither need English permission or any reason to explain why they choose a different path. Independence is a right its not a present or a gift from England. It is not English hatred that has brought it about, but rather English indifference although no English can believe that's possible as they see themselves through tainted glasses, and cannot either accept or believe other people can do a better job for themselves running their own affairs, I want independence not because of the English but for Scots to make their own decision's and save the English taxpayer all that money they believe the spend on us how if we save you money is that hate? the Union is burdened with us we are constantly told, how is removing the burden hate? tell me of all the nations of the world England as had disagreements with you believe its only the Scots that hate you? they tell us we are parasite living on English generosity and benevolence, any Englishman can give you 100 reasons why its good for Scotland in the Union all of them financial , yet not one benefit why its good for England in the Union? sharing resources is a great favourite of the Westminster club, but not one can name a resources that England benefits from where Scotland is concerned?, we are drunks, drug addicts. lazy sweaty jocks and if any of it is true what it really show is just how stupid the English are, the very reasons they put forward for the Union is the very reason why Scots need to leave the Union the real problem with the Union is the English don`t listen and they think dependency status for Scotland is acceptable to them they only forget to get the Scots to agree to it. The Union problem is only set to continue as long as the English see Scotland as a nett loss rather than a nett profit, England can`t have both ends of the stick.
++@@Oder-zi3od++ Yeah! The People's republic of Scotland! Brilliant idea. How long do you think that would last in the undemocratic People's Prison of the EU? And how much power would your Wee Krankie wield then do you think?
@@JohnSmith-pd1fz you didn`t explain why the Uk and England in particular wasn`t top oh the hit parade in the colony where I spent some time? The EU is democratic as England is! its only undemocratic cause England doesn`t get its own way ie vote what we want ( We understand this very well and Better than people in England) then the same applies to Westminster we get what England wants as democracy, but its undemocratic when the same treatment is dished out to them. the English need to practice what they preach.
Now that's really sad, sometimes John, just sometimes.
Its not about the English
@@Oder-zi3od Well said.
What would happen with the Scottish armed forces?
The British army including The Scottish regiments are sworn to serve the queen
Could always go the pound shop
most likely the Westminster government would hire Scot soldiers similar to the Ghurka`s and other foreigners who serve at present in the British army, Scotland would establish its own armed forces like every country in the Commonwealth many have their own Scottish regiments such as Canada and South Africa which is now a Republic.
@@Oder-zi3od What you going to pay them with?? You will get rid of trident and rely on us to protect you!!!!
@@SpikeLw what about Queen's estates in Scotland?..Scotlands currency and rate? New political parties? or an SNP totalitarian system? Hard border (with trident on English side? ) Scottish army or EU one? Navy? air force? I want to see an independent Scotland but snp is not the model to go down. I'm a Cornish man that's the Duchy ruled by our quasi monarch Charles. ie tax dodger and thief
So Britain gives to others while we foodbanks and poverty , charity begins at home.
Doesn't that say alot about how politicians misspend the public purse .
If Scotland gets in the EU what will they do with there share of 100,000 freeloaders?
How is Scotland going to pay back all the money it owes England.
They could balance it with the cost of the UK removing CBS Faslane, RNAD Coulport with the massive clean up costs that the UK would have to pay to remove the contamination over the past few decades. You seem to think that The UK would simply be able to walk away and pay nothing and that simply is not true.
I'm not for Scotland leaving, it would break my heart but, your argument is as weak as water.
how does England pay back all the money they stole from its empire?
Let Scotland go it's all British business in Scotland and its British people visit and bring trident to liverpool we dont need Scotland
Scots won`t stop you! the authority to move these boats sits in London, what's the problem do you think? you want to bet its the English that have the problem with moving them?
Want to be a poor european--- or a proud Scot/ British citizen , go independant and find out ?
They can't possibly have the tax base to run a country . Without the rest of the UK it would have an economy like Haiti .
Stop drinking before you type.
@@CinntSaile You lot are all on a class drugs!!!!
There's around 15 countries in Europe with populations smaller than that of Scotland.
What the tax base needs to cover is proportional to the size of the population. Can the Scottish tax base finance the UK? No.
Can it finance Scotland? Why the hell not? if Slovenia, Latvia, and Iceland can do it, why couldn't the Scots?
@@MurasakiMonogatari absolutely spot on. And many of the countries you cite don't have anywhere near the level of natural resources, international profile or iconic brands which Scotland has. The "subsidy junkie" myth is deep, long held and utterly pernicious. How could an oil-rich country like Scotland require subsidies, for goodness sake?
*JOAN MCALPINE SAYS:* _"We have many strengths; we have a £13 billion food and drink industry, we have tourism, we have creative industries, our Universities are amongst the best in the world..."_
*ROME:* A city I went to that's tourism is massive, more tourists go in and out of Rome per year than Scotland could achieve in 10 years! Yet look at the POVERTY Rome sits in. The people of Rome require 3 jobs to keep a €500 flat and that's excluding all the other living costs, 3 jobs to keep that over their head. You think ROME doesn't have all that food and drink and Tourism?
YEAH!! EXACTLY!
Greece has more tourism than you, you could only DREAM of getting the tourism Greece gets, look at what Greece has to offer, does that mean to say they are a world beater on the economy? NO! because that's the PRICE that you pay for kissing the arse off of Socialism that produces NO WEALTH!
ScottieWallace Well I couldn't comment on the whole thing with Israel mate, it's hard who to believe on that side of things, however one must never forget that Socialism cannot be anything other than authoritarian. It's seriously worrying, I mean I give you a prime example. I'm not a big supporter of sectarianism, I love my club because it's just who I support, that's all. However, I strongly stand by anyone for their freedom of speech and these Nationalist Socialists are demanding for things like Orange walks to be banned. That's not solving problems, it creates bigger division and if anything, it's going against liberty that I stand against.
And you don't need to tell me about Corporatism, I know that it is a Socialist left-wing ideology, my support is towards UKIP and not all of the Tory's are what we would call Corporatist, so it would be a false assumption to go that far. There was nothing good about Nationalist Socialists, and I stand against them with heart and soul.
ScottieWallace Well as you know mate, the whole football thing to me is entirely separate, I've always loved the club based upon it being as it is, just Rangers. I support UKIP personally because the size of the party, they are terrifying Westminster right now, the media is not liking it and it's just how I personally feel, if Scotland leaves, there's so many uncertainties, added to this just how many leftists there are. I cannot fault you for having no trust in any of the parties, a lot of the time politics is a game, you feed people promises merely to win over votes. I mean the Tory's for example know that if they were to feed out pro free market talk they'd never win many votes.
I understand your own personal reason which I do respect. I can understand your reasoning upon Israel, a lot of people have put forward the argument, thus the reasoning for Hitler Nationalising the banks, my views are so mixed on the issue. To be fair though, Yaron Brook puts forward a sound argument on the case of Israel etc, I'm sure this was on the Ayn Rand Channel. As for the governments and the entire wars going on over there, it's just chaotic. I have heard about the Zionist control as well, then again I hear all this stuff about the Islamists, the whole thing has become so mixed up it's hard to follow either in my view, so I sit back and let that be.
However, in my view, regardless of who to blame, it's getting the elite out of our system, moving towards a free market, removing the central banks and properly limiting such a thing from occurring again through education.
As for the EU, aye, it's a bloody joke, that's one of the biggest reasons I'm pro UKIP, I pray and hope for the day to pull out of it, thankfully a lot of people are strongly opposed to it. And world war 3 pfff I couldn't write that off mate, and it's bloody frightening, all stems from what we call economic strife, just look at how the World Wars occurred, collapse of the Weimar Republic, this is how wars occur. I know myself the dangers surrounding, it's why I fight heart and soul to see the free market.
This is why I strongly hate Socialism, I know what's happened in the past, and I passionately do not want to see my country head in that direction, I want this country to be free, and it's just in my opinion? I think UKIP is the best hope we have. If Scotland was currently fighting for a free market in a large support, I'd be right behind it, unfortunately it is not and that's what frustrates me.
ScottieWallace Today that is true, left and right have become so mixed and intertwined. You look at the US the new right-wing is essentially just another left-wing, it's the same thing. That's why I don't trust the establishment, When I support the right, I support the Old right of America and in British terminology, the Classical left-wing of Britain, the free market. Today it really has become messed up, which is why Labour and Conservative more or less became the same. However, thankfully because of UKIP they are booting the Conservatives right up the backside.
What times do 30 billion food exports if the UK put tariffs on them
It won’t be their fault of course! It would be the ‘old Enemy!
The true national debt is app 4 trillion pounds taking in public sector pension liabilities that is 62000 pounds x 5 million a lot of money that the scotts must pay before independence.
how much is a lot based on what? how much do you think England owes the world after three hundred years of theft, murder and robbery and the killing of millions in the process to quench their greed? when it comes to what people must pay England is at the top of the list there isn`t a country they haven`t used and abused.
@@Oder-zi3od its pointless going into the past, that will not help Scotland, but the fact remains Scotland can never be in the EU due to the drastic national debt. Without doubt Scotland will be much better off after leaving the EU, for starters Scotland sell most to the rest of the UK. I thgink Scotland must stay in the Union.
@@johnsiddle6672 well john you are entitled to your opinion we sell nothing to England that we could not sell in other market's, England is about to remove us from the world biggest and richest market the EU if England can risk this to the British market then there is no reason what Scotland can`t do the same? tell me what products do England buy we can`t sell elsewhere and only the English buy? I think the Union is unfair on the English for all the money it costs them to keep Scotland in a union of equal members which clearly isn`t? how can it be equal when Scots are an English dependency? please explain john why its good for England that Scotland remains in a Union that see them as dependents. Justify it from an English perspective for me.
What about electric cars, dont need oil.
So the transmissions have no lubrication in them, there's no grease (hydrocarbon derived) in the CV joints? They don't use lubrication when pressing out the steel components or machining parts?
Tourism ? 60% of Visit Scotland outlets to close and many have already closed due to “ differing demands “ from customers
Well why do hundreds of visitors coming to towns where they have already closed premises ask locals “ why do you no longer have a Tourist Office here ? This is ridiculous
Govanhil, Glasgow ,enough said.
That's right *JOAN MCALPINE* countries such as Greece and Italy are countries that bring in more tourism than you could ever dream of. A nation like Italy has more to offer than what Scotland could. Look at Florence and what it's famous for, yet look at the mess the country is in because of Socialism.
You think the continent Africa with vast resources ended up in extreme poverty for decades starving to death for nothing? No, it ended up there because it flirted with Marxism and Leninism. You think the Soviet Union collapsed for nothing because of Socialism? You think Argentina a century ago that was rich, ended up in shit state today, defaulting twice in the last decade for nothing? No, it done so because of Socialism. You think Venezuela went from 75th on the freedom index to 175th on the freedom index from 1999 to 2013 for nothing? You think Venezuela ended up with food shortages and blackouts for nothing?
Here, have a wee taste of your Socialism right here *JOAN MCALPINE:* Fight for Food in Venezuela - Food Shortage in Venezuela Yeah! but you have all that food and drink and tourism!
So you're telling me a country like GREECE doesn't? You telling me the city of ROME has less than Scotland? Please! I've been to Rome, it's the MOST beautiful city I have ever seen in my life, and by Christ does it have so much to offer in terms of food and drink etc, yet you think because it has all that, that that some how means anything?
What use is all of that when you oppose BUSINESS freedom in the market? What use is that when you oppose DEREGULATION of the economy? What use is it when you oppose PRIVATISATION, considering the fact the private sector funds the public sector?
Yeah, thought so!
The SNP lady talks about food banks and people being destitute... that is happening right now even with the subsidies the Scottish are getting from Westminster. If they stop getting those subsidies from Westminster, where is the cash coming from within Scotland to ensure that does not happen? All I can see is more people needing food banks and becoming destitute.
Where is the money coming from in the independent Scotland?
Man, they really can sell you anything eh. There are people in other countries who know more about the UK than you seem to know.
I have bridge for sale if your interested ?
@@casperwallace9685 Ha! Are you being serious? or are you being paid by the SNP? Where IS the money coming from for an Independant Scotland. Like the rest of the world... I am all ears!
Scotland would lose 30 to 50 thousand jobs once all naval an military infrastructure left, all residual jobs such as suppliers, shops in local communities. The SNP have no care for these people, only their agenda matters, and once it became obvious that Scotland was having to raise taxes exponentially with expenditure through the loss of English money, Sturgeon and her cronies would be off.
What happens when Scotland votes to stay and the UK starts to fail?
well that's simple like the first indyref we will just have to stay unless we decide to have another, remember Westminster called a vote three times in three years. Holyrood can do the same.
What like now ?
Why should it fail?, look instead towards Iceland and Norway both countries doing ok, with simular industries, Fish and Tourism and so on...
Norway's main industry is selling hydroelectric power. Iceland's banks failed.
@@bernardwatts5339 that was 10 years ago, now a days i would say Iceland is doing a lot better than Britain, i should know im Icelandic guy😁😁😁, but i respect what Scotland Choices to do
@@ulfurkarlsson5885 Scotland's tourism and fishing is maxed out, its banks were rescued by the rest of Britain it gets subsidised by the rest of Britain yet as a devolved nation it has the biggest fiscal deficit in Europe. Do you suggest that Scottish banks should not honour theyr commitments too?
If DK (6 mil. people) can make it as an independent state in the EU, even without scottish tourism and whiskey, so can Scotland.
Dan, these people can't really think out side of the box. They seem to be terrified to stand on their own two feet without having to lean on Scotland.
Scotland needs to leave the UK before it goes bust.
The Top Gear set
UK or independent? Can't have both
I am Scottish it would be a disaster just like Ruth would be a disaster for the Scottish people she was hoping to work twelve days for fifty grand lol but the Scottish parliament stopped that just imagine the people on welfare going to foodbankscabd working and looking at someone getting fifty grand for that it's disgusting she is a rich woman out of touch with reality bye Ruth
she`s a Tory says it all.
Scotland now want their independence from the UK and they want to stay in the EU. To be a member of the EU they will have to re-apply in their own right and that can take 5 years or more, they have to leave the UK and that means losing their finances which come from Westminster, paying their divorce payment, which is inevitable, if we have to pay to get out of the EU whey should they not pay to get out of the UK, add to that the yearly fees they would have to pay their way and have a huge bill every year. Scotland were, only yesterday, complaining about having to wait for their budget from Westminster to be able to work on their own budget and that Westminster are heartless to keep them waiting. On that basis how are they going to afford to run their own country and pay their own way. There will also have to be a border between Britain and Scotland with customs and all that entails, they will also not be able to use their national waters.
Want to have their own govt and go it alone but want to join/ stay in EU...where is the logic of that? What they really mean is they want money from eu to get up and running that will mean having to take the euro ending up EU calling back their investment leading to bail outs but no scot can get this notion it seems..
Let them go ! Use their own Scottish money ! No more hand outs from Westminster !! Good luck with that !!
The first four letters of your last name should be your first
I take that back... A dick has more sense
@@kerrymcarthur3036 very childish little girl ! We all have our opinions ! If wee Jimmy krankie aka sturgeon wants another indy ref 2 then I say let you lot bloody have it !! Then we can close the border between us & Scotland !! A lot of English &, jocks will be very happy !!
They the politicians make the mistakes, but the ordinary people pay the price.
Keep the union , it's been a great success.We are stronger together.
No
Best thing for Scotland is to go and ask Poland about independence- joining EU cos now they want to get out of it, but can't
How about we ask Ireland who is doing better than UK right now.
@@casperwallace9685 Ireland got bailed out by eu after bring hailed as the Celtic tiger .or some such thing
@@WELLBRAN What like UK has been bailed out - UK was known as the sick man of Europe before they joined the EU.
Just check how much money the EU have spent on the poorest areas of UK, under Westminster control. Its all marked, you have to be blind not to see it or know about it.
@@casperwallace9685 Cornwall had the biggest payout from eu and we have absolutely nothing to show for it..things have got worse
@@WELLBRAN Yep, blame your council or Government. EU gave them money - they didn't build what you needed for you.
Blame your own.
The people you voted for.
I don't understand why there seems to be a permanent absence of arithmetic with regard to the Scottish future budget viability. I don't know how it would pan out but the leavers seem for crossing their fingers and jumping.
Because WM hold no such figures, everything is done on guestimates.
What happens when Scotland goes independent and succeeds incredibly?
When ? rather if .
The question is, is this within the eu or within the union? Or just really freedom and standing on its own legs
@@gta1kev i would imagine they want to re-join the eu. They have a lot to sell and having the biggest market literally on your front door should not be ignored. England not being in the EU doesnt help the Scots though. Land bridge to Scotland required :-)
Boris cries and some people wake up to the fact they have been conned -again.
@@gta1kev What ever it wants........they get to choose. Has to be better than getting what Englands votes for.
2 mins this aged well!
Wow the BBC propaganda machine in full force I see.
1 day Yes, Oil (Scotland 8% & England 92% oil) today? Whisky (London)? Goodbye Union & England lol :)
LMAO when she says that those 3 cities are all failed by the tories... YUP.
I think the English should be given a referendum as to whether they want the Scots to stay in the UK.
Nope, another person that does not understand the system. there is no mechanism for expelling a country from the union, never has been and never will be. Leaving has to be a choice from the component part, not expulsion from the three.
ha ha ha ha ! of course they do they have no place to put Trident on the English coast, they could possibly move them to Gibraltar?
@@Oder-zi3od Yes because all the English cities want to have all those nuclear weapons on their doorsteps don't they...... The fact that you even suggest Gib shows the disregard you have for them, there you go, you take those weapons because we don't want them 30 miles from London. Is it any wonder the English are disliked round the world, their distain for other people shines through brightly.
@@grahamb5930
I suggest Gibraltar because it possibly has a deep harbour as Trident needs deep water harbour which is not available or suitable on the English coast anywhere, there is a large dockyard where many British submarines are maintained and repaired it has nothing to do with any disregard for anyone, I don`t think the English people want them on their door step, but its evident they don`t mind having them on the people of Scotland's door step? as some one who has travelled a little bit around the world, never have I heard the English are disliked because of nuclear subs based in Scotland, but there are hundreds of other reasons and nothing to do with Scots or Scotland.
@@Oder-zi3od I never suggested it was because of nuclear weapons, I suggested that it was because the English do what they do and bugger anyone else for a multitude of reasons.
You have deep water ports, ports that can cope with Panamax vessels all round the English coast. Even London gateway at Thurrock is a deep water port but, would the English voters accept having weapons like that so close to them? If you don't like Thames Gateway you could always have Port of Tyne, Barrow, or Falmouth so I hope you see "we don't have any deep water ports" as an excuse and a poor excuse at that.
Let's be honest here, even facilities like Dounreay were built well out of the way "just in case" Funnily enough only Bradwell B is close to London and that's been decommissioned.
I'm glad you accept that the English are disliked, you yourself have seen that on your travels..........
Scotland will have to adopt the euro for absolute certainty . Wonder if when Scotland demand Trident leave Scotland will England feel happy to have its navy ships made in Scotland ? Barrow has made ships and could expand to make our navies ships thats a lot of unemployed workers in Scotland. The possible problems are vast .
Scotland would have to apply for membership
Scotland, as a new entrant, would have to accept the Euro
Spain really doesn't want to allow Scotland membership in the first place
Scotland would be forced, by EU law, to put a hard border and border controls in place and that would be hugely detrimental to Scotland's economy.
Scotland has argued for the removal of Polaris and Trident from a base 30 miles from Glasgow for decades.
England could build ships
England would have to pay for the removal and clean up of areas like HMS Neptune, RNAD Coulport and Crombie and many other areas, to argue otherwise would be foolish.
Would England want to store the Trident warheads, currently stored in RNAD Coulport before being moved across to HMS Neptune? I don't think so.
++@@grahamb5930++ FYI - Nuclear warheads, including those for Trident missiles are already stored in Royal Navy facilities on the English south coast and have been for a number of years.
@@JohnSmith-pd1fz Well you better call RNAD Coulport and tell them all their nukes have moved south for winter! The warheads for the Trident missiles are stored at Coulport and them moved round, by sea, to Faslane before the boats leave on patrol.
Made in Scotland? they have them made all over the UK then send them for assembly in Scotland not quite the same thing as "Made in Scotland". another unionist " fear" threat, these don`t wash anymore.
Scotland can't demand Trident to leave... England will take it away anyway as it would be in a foreign country
This didn't age well....
What next: the fragmentation of England starting with the independence of Cornwall?
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cornish-people-formally-declared-a-national-minority-along-with-scots-welsh-and-irish-9278725.html
Go the tories I believe in boris
so much bs
No chance of that ever happening Scotland will never be free!! You only know yur in chains till you try,to move!!
And. For all u who ain’t lived in the 60/70/80 Uk . If was not for Mrs T being a strong leader taking strong decisions has give us the life style we have .
Even the poor don’t need to work
Dont quite understand all that, but something is very interesting, maybe, someone can help me. I hear last in times calls to Scottish undependency. BoJo says, No Way, komments I read here says, Scottland is bankropted state, with huge deficit, Scotland lives on our money and so on. After that I think, you should say to
That's rational argument that is the definition of nation state one is control of your own money what is control of your own borders and one is to have your own military along with the first two you cannot achieve as part of the EU
Yep' cut the jocks free can't carry them forever, the taffs as well, more freeloaders 😒
Oh the irony of this video in 2021
Standard and Poors, fees for ratings, fact.
Scotland starts to fail???My God,how dareful ignorance is!!!!Oil resources,bank position,fisheries well managed,my god!!!England trembling and tasting its own medicine.Dividing you wii win!!!
Scotland has the highest National Deficit in Europe! And the highest drug addiction figures in Europe!!
Which union: UK or EU? One reasonable way of making a choice is to base one’s decision on evidence. So, which of the two has the better record of past successes? Further criteria: the longer lasting a relationship, the more it has had a chance to become consolidated, the more that partner can be trusted. Who can you rely on more? An old friend or a new one? Birds of a feather stick together. Is it better to form one’s network of alliances with those who are closer to one, with one’s next of kin, or with those who are more remote and with whom we have less in common?
Get rid of the food banks put the ownus back to the people who use them lazy sods
What happens to the Union flag, what happens to the Queen's estates in Scotland, what currency will you have, you think you can join EU but you won't be allowed to, you will only have one political party in scotland (SNP) as the others will not exist?
Who cares what happens to the union flag? Queen is 95, we will sell them off as hotels -again who cares. What ever currency we want. EU has all ready stated they will welcome Scotland back with open arms.
The other parties are Branch Offices of Westminster parties, so of course they can't be a party in another country.
So new Scottish parties will establish themselves
Why are you so desperate you create mountains out of mole hills.
Are you so unaware of other independent countries throughout the world.
Its the norm.
What will happen to the NHS in scotland after independence.
Recently UK negotiating a price for an expensive drug but Scotland decided to go and negotiate independently so Scotland now spares more that drug then they would have done if they operated with the and that's only one drug
What about Scotlands debt to England.
You can whistle for that, Barbara.
@@jamesjack6769 have to wait and see what happens in the future, but sturgeon doesn't appear to have the scottish people in mind only her own interests.
Her goal of independence is in the best interests of the Scottish people.
@@jamesjack6769 you have to be kidding me. The only interest is in her self.
What an illogically biased person you are, Babs.
Greed Greed . Oil is a uk source to share . And scotland gets its share back plenty. .
Gee SNP member for 30+ years . But I say not because I blindly follow party lines . Ruth talks sense
but we wont fail. We will succeed.
The EU may not allow Scotland to join as independent nation......and what if investment and industry left? The EU has a lot of problems too with civil unrest in France and high youth unemployment in Germany, austerity in Greece. What if the uk became hugely successful ? Why not give it a few years to see how this government and leaving EU improves things and go for more self governing powers. If England and co thrives and you don't then your young will move away especially the qualified ones. Give it 5 years with more powers and then have a referendum....the EU may not look so good as other countries may be leaving too?
may not allow ins`t fact the chances are the EU will not operate to Westminster specifications. What if investment increase? you don`t have a crystal ball and they allowed the UK to join when they had massive unemployment which isn`t a condition for membership btw, the criteria is well laid out. dependency is not a wise policy for Westminster to adopt they must think bigger and better for Scotland, only true and equal equality with England will save the Union the bluster and bull has worn off.
Steve Arnott was right all along
“Every kingdom divided against itself goes into ruin; and no town, no household that is divided against itself can stand.” - (Jesus Immanuel, at Matthew 12: 25) -
There aren`t many Christians left in Londonstan Islam is on the ascendency there, you are correct but not politically correct.
++@@Oder-zi3od++ Even fewer in Edinburgh and Glasgae if what I've seen recently is anything to go by.
@@JohnSmith-pd1fz but London is more important from the Unionists side of the argument or are you agreeing with the Scots that it isn`t?
++@@Oder-zi3od++ Sorry, your question makes no sense to me. Perhaps you would like to rephrase it?
London being the capital city of the country of England and the capital city of the UK . Its more important don`t you think to have Christians there or does the traditional religion not have a role to play there any less and the reason for the rise of Islam there? there might not be many Christians in Edinburgh, and therefore not as serious a threat at the moment unlike Londonstan? its either important to the Unionist or it isn`t are you agreeing with independence supporters it that its not important if Islam dominates in the capital city of England and the UK?
Westminster should let scotland go just make sure all Royal Navy Ship building contracts are move into England, and have Border Patrol checks
Fair enough James but take your nukes out of the Clyde,we resent them put them in Plymouth.
What would happen if England was 1.78 trillion pound debt. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_national_debt Will Scotland have to continue to pay their debt.
Scotland has no debt, it must balance its books BY LAW. Oppss The debt belongs to Boris.
The joks will all try to come south
They will have a referendum!