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Tyla Receives BACKLASH for DENYING Blackness (Full Breakdown) | Reaction
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2024
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Dee must of met Debbie Ryan in real life to be yelling that hard 😂
Uh
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LMFAO🤣
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What did Debbie Ryan do 😂?
Colored South Africans are multiracial.
Basically in South Africa you have 4 ethnic groups. Black, White, Indian, and Coloreds. Coloreds are a mix of the other ethnicities together (sometimes there is some Chinese mixed in)
Coloreds were treated badly because they didn’t fit in with the rest. So I think in the early 1900’s they decided to form their own “ethnicity” and they became officially recognized. Coloreds are a mix of Black, (Zulu & Khoi) mixed with White, Indian, Chinese and Malaysian.
To cut it short, the Dutch came to South Africa with their Malaysian, Indian & Chinese slaves, they started sleeping with the Black people. They all mixed together. Hundreds years later they are called colored.
Perfectly explained.
You mean races instead of ethnicities but you are still correct in what you meant. People fail to realize that race is simply a social construct and isn’t a real identity. Which means it can literally vary from country to country. Ethnically, everyone is different such as Irish, Indian, African American, Caribbean, etc. So here we learn, South America has their own specific social construct, which appears to refer to Tula as colored whereas in America she’d be considered black.
No on cares. The girl pours water down her back. Maybe she should direct her attention to a white audience and get rid of the boho knotless braids. The truth is that she needs the approval of black Americans to make it in America or she will be forced back home or another country. She doesn’t have a classic album yet to be in so much controversy. Also the fact that every celebrity is backing her tells me that she has a huge machine behind her and they are desperate to keep her in the news. We literally accepted Mariah Carey into the Rand B space because she provided consistent hits. No one cares what her background is. We even accepted Bruno mars because he has hits and he isn’t black
@op Wish we had that here in the states this is why they call Latinos all “white” or Latinas like ice spice just “black” when we are all mixed with like 4 different races and it would make more sense to call us colored or mixed
@@TEEAREE2XIt is ethnicity. We are the human race.
People are so damn slow and uneducated and it shows it’s sad fr
Welcome to the era of google
While a lot of people do too much….its not really just people’s fault. It’s simply that so many aren’t educated like you said on the difference between race and ethnicity and the fact that race in itself is a social construct that only “exists” in America.
@stancinatti8198 & @TEEAREE2X 🗣️🔊💯
@@TEEAREE2Xit is they fault instead of running they mouth ppl need to research
People ?? Americans *
Lost your voice from YELLING? What country got you that heated girl 😂
Yelling talking over loud music and singing lmao not upset at all, having a great vacation!
Ah, great to hear then! Live your best life 🤜@@DeeShanell10
@DeeShanell10 You sound like me on a regular day lmao 🤣 Enjoy ya vacay!!!
@@DeeShanell10ok hope your voice comes back cause i know it’s exhausting yelling over loud music lol 😂
@@NaimTahafor real she is the true example of single rich auntie living her best life without a care in the world
People are so weird for trying tell someone what they are 😂 I see it constantly and it’s annoying
And it’s always black people, I see all I’ve tik tok especially they be trying to tell someone who they are and how they grew up my people have to do better
And obviously not all black people just the ignorant ones
Because so many people are uneducated on the fact that race is a social construct. Which also happens to be in places with a history of slavery.
It is actual very disrespectful and insensitive.
Coloured people are a seperate racial group, and have a culture and experience of their own in South Africa.
@@ntsikasifuba8464they need to stay out of black spaces if it’s like that lol
Who has Dee been yelling at? Peaches 😂
😂
More like the vacuum lady
Debby Ryan 😭
These replies are sending me 💀
Dr. Wendy Osefo
tylas father is Indian/irish and her mother is Mainly zulu (black) and mauritous. if you look at her sister for instance who is also coloured she looks like a black woman
Genes are crazy. Her sister can pass for a brown skinned East African from Somalia
but she's still coloured though. her parents are coloured as well
@@warona1436 yes of course she is i was just pointing it out lol
She or her family are not black , they are”coloured or mixed” so she should represent the “coloured “community
@@tylasbodyguardtrue
The one drop rule really did so much damage to us black Americans smh.. we accept everyone as one of us, unfortunately. But thanks for holding us down Dee! ✊🏿❤️
It’s as a result of us not knowing or having any idea of our personal heritage outside of slavery in America. We’re all robbed from knowing our history pre-slavery so we try to remanifedt inclusion by trying to make everyone else identify as us since we have nothing other to claim as our own heritage. As usual, it’s social engineering strategically caused by the white man.
Yall gotta stop with that narrative. Nobody is saying "oh u got 1% of blk that means u blk". Thats foolish. People that have your logic are tryin to apply that to people who r half blk. Which isn't the case and their history has always been together with ours considering how America has seen them and the community
@@brandond1947Amber Rose is ONE quarter black but ppl force her to identify as black when her dad is WHITE and her mom is half black Cape Verdean and half white. Mariah Carey is another one too
@@brandond1947 For starters, One drop doesn’t mean 1%…..it means that there’s enough color in you to tell that you have some “black” in you. you’d literally be surprised. In America it’s LITERALLY called the one drop rule and it is actually a REAL thing. It may sound stupid, because it is, but it’s very real. And to the point you made, that’s why MIXED people weren’t exempt from slavery during that period, because they didn’t pass the one drop rule. And that’s how we are forced to identify ourselves because in the eye of White Supremacy, anything with some black is tainted and beneath them. Which is why mixed people are in fact considered black in America, and even people who are 25% black are considered black. Again, in average day do people really care…no. But according to white supremacy, which this nation was founded upon, it is very real and it does matter.
@@brandond1947that’s literally not how the one drop rule work but go off I guess…
Literally Dee me and my African friends are just sitting back and laughing at this tired discourse 😂
I don't know anyone who cares about her race. We barely care about her music. I thought she was Indian when I first saw a picture of her. My irritation with people generalizing "Americans" matches yours. I travel a lot & the stupid ish people say to me about Americans as if it's something that applies to all of us never fails to piss me off. There are way too many of us to generalize like that. They love to speak about how we don't travel and most don't have a passport, but in the next breath they want to base opinions on tourists they have seen on the internet. Seriously...I thought most of us didn't travel so how can a tiny few represent a country so diverse. It's bs. When I travel I live by the old addage, "when in Rome, do what the Romans do".
Right!! And it’s so ironic because people love to classify Americans as dumb…we’re dumb but you’re judging an entire population of 340 million people based on a few experiences and social media posts? Lmao the stupidity is baffling. Every time someone generalizes Americans when I’m traveling, I point this out and they always get stuck. Most of them don’t even understand how massive The States is. It’s population is almost half the size of the entire continent of Europe’s!
Agreed! I had never heard of her until people were playing her music all over social media for some type of TikTok challenge. I'm more worried about trying to make it to another day, lol
@@DeeShanell10 Same! You point out the flaw in their thinking and then you get silence. It's annoying.
“We barely care about her music” is wild 🤣 we must be living in alternate universes, but go off sis 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Forreal. It's worse with people from the Caribbean.
I’m a black American and I agree with D 💯😂😂 WE DONT GIVE AF
Tyla starting her letter with "YOH guys!" is so South African. Homegirl is tired and we feel her as South Africans.
Stay over there in SA then if y’all so tired. We tired of our culture being used and exploited by outsiders who are not really one of us.
@@kang6914🤦🏿🐢
@@kang6914have you seen the type of music tyla makes?
Kang…. You slow? That girl likes black culture and everything else bc… she’s black (coloured) her sister has 4type curls and everything. Y’all irritating
@@kang6914what culture? Tayla makes amapiano sometimes infused with gqom, South African music, the fact her song blew up internationally and then you grew to know her don't mean she exploiting your culture.
I think it’s also a big misconception where people think just cuz people are from Africa, they count as being black. Not everyone thinks this, but there’s a few that do.
Black is an identifier we use as descendants of Africans in America today. We are born in America however did not relocate here from Africa. Therefore many of us do not label ourselves AFRICAN American for this reason. So, that’s why we tend to see others as black because the lineage. But the real problem is that people that are descendants benefit from the black American culture when they want to crossover. However people don’t want the association and stigma that comes along with the term “Black”. This is what I see.
@@taurus-queen8066black is just w color. It doesn’t mean you have ties to Africa. Black Americans were never African and you can’t prove that.
that’s why I deleted Twitter months ago… it’s so tiring out there
She never said she wasn’t black just where she is from they say something diff for her skin tone but mfs be quick to assume stuff when they don’t know nun fr
She said she has no problem with people identifying her as black but she personally identifies as coloured, because there is a black race in her country and it would invalidate their experiences for her to claim to be black. So it's more of a courtesy to americans
@@IonizedComawhat the hell is coloured boy
@@InfiniteCoreXD mixed.
@@InfiniteCoreXD a group of mixed people in south africa
@@InfiniteCoreXDmixed people in south Africa are considered “colored”
I don’t understand the fascination with Tylas race she’s attractive and all 😂
some black ppl want her to identify as black… but she’s not and shouldn’t feel the need too 💀 She obviously has black in her
so people accuse her of deny her blackness yet the same people criticize stating she is trying to appease the black community. To the point where this girl had to name every race she is mixed with. In America she is seen as black but in her culture that is not a thing. I hate how we have other cultures and get mad because they do not openly say they are black. maybe where she is from she do not have to keep stating the obvious. There are mixed people in the world by all accounts are seen as one race, but that is not necessarily the truth. People aren't define by their race they just embrace it.
Whats cra zy is if she called herself blck people would be mad at that too and accuse her of co-opting blckness when she is mixed. She can't win.
@@venuslove-i1v they already did because she had her hair in cornrolls but it's people who are fake woke and wanna be seen.
In her culture black is a thing it’s just the minority so it’s like the base in Africa. She said she is just mixed because that’s what she is lol. That’s like saying Jhene Aiko is black alone when she said she’s mixed with a few things. (Agreeing with you)
@@jimjimjimmy7793 yes I agree with you it's just in her country and continent. She don't have to openly say what it is. But what you said is right on brand
As a black American I could careless ,I’m sleeping great at night.
Your smart
People need to do their research about the Diverse South African culture... it's very diverse, many different kinds of people. Tyla is not denying her Blackness... she is black, but because of her multiracial background, she is classified as Coloured in South Africa, and it is a whole culture of people down here.
African Americans be denying their whiteness and they prolly have more white in them than tyla has black in her
Why do we have to do research when we are not interested into nothing about South Africa miss
Why? South Africa is pathetic and miserable. A very sad poor country with a caste system that’s still in effect. Yall keep coming over here lol
@@jarricah7920please delete this bs
We don’t really care. South Africa is primitive and sad overall
Any conversation that involves people getting generalized I usually just zone out. And no, I don’t care😂
Deep voice Dee is a vibe ngl
Skin glowing 👀
It makes sense that people with dark skin has differant variantions. Asians are Japanese, Chinese, Thailand, Vitanamese, Korean... We are all slightly different and I'm not crying about it.
This whole situation hits so close to home for me. I am a lightskin black woman (my mother is brownskin and my father is lightskin), and whenever I’d straighten my hair, I’d have Indian exchange students at my school asking me if I was Indian, and wanting to know about my race. The whole idea that black Americans try and pin blackness/other ethnic backgrounds on people OUTSIDE of America ISN’T just exclusive to “Americans”. I’ve literally had people who aren’t black and are from different countries try and tell me that I’m Indian or another ethnic group despite me having two PHENOTYPICALLY black parents 😭
THANK YOU. I’m so sick and tired of us getting blamed for EVERYTHING.
There was this CZcamsr by the name of Julian and he went to South Africa and they told him he was colored and he responded with “I’m blvck” and they responded with “no your colored” but apparently to them we are the only ones trying to make everyone identify what they are🙄
@@thecosmicchild8947Exactly 😭 People have to stop trying to tell other people what THEY are. How are you going to tell me that I’m not black when I have TWO black parents?? This has to stop
The hostility has been brewing for a very long time. Glad ppl are finally seeing it 💯
I’m sooooo tired of race talk it’s so exhausting between race and gender wars online is why I’m rarely on social media. It’s draining and I have better things to talk about. That being said Americans need to stop labeling other cultures. She’s literally a whole other culture. There are things that we do as black Americans that I guarantee she wouldn’t understand so why are people desperately trying to push her in black culture?
Like wit Drake technically he’s not a lightskin he’s mulatto/mixed. And whenever I see mix black person say there light skin they wanna prove they blackness. Like the girl said in da vid storm Reid a real light skin compared to Zendaya.
Lightskin and mixed has nothing to do with how much you mentally know or identify with. It’s 100% based on your race and the mixture of “colors” in your phenotype. Storm Reid and Zendaya are the same. Both are mixed….we can try to create an agenda to see which one is more tapped in to the culture, but they are both physically the same. Same with Drake. However, mixed is not a race here. It’s black and white…meaning they are all black. HERE. Outside of American soil, that can and probably WILL differ in some regard. Such as South Africa. They’d be considered COLORED instead of black.
@@TEEAREE2XStorm has TWO black parents making her black. Zendaya has a WHITE parent and a BLACK parent just like Halle Berry, Amandla Steinberg, Obama, Bob Marley, J. Cole, Drake, Latto... That makes her BI-RACIAL. Storm isn't biracial just bc her dads in Wrinkle in Times and Euphoria were white. Her real dad isn't
Exactly everywhere else in the world if you have two parents of different races you’re mixed.
Im dutch carribean. Im considered 'mixed'. But in any other part of the world, Im considered black because obviously i have predominant african ancestry and west African features. So yeah. If you want to label me as mixed or black; fine with me.
So anyways some artists don’t come out about race it’s proganda I don’t care what you ppl say but I feel like that’s offending
Yes because you dnt have a coloured culture that blended all your different cultures into one ,it's not a culture your mother and father and neighborhood had that they are trying to ease, it's ours and not going to go quietly into the night
nah you’re mixed.
Tyla is basically Puerto Rican 😂
Trust me "We don't give a damn and We don't give a fuck ay" 😂. Tyla mixed with what she mixed with its all good. Nobody give a good goddamn lol
Let the Africans tell it, we apparently all care about what Tyla identifies as😂
Lovelyti doesn't get it bcuz she not like us. She has a point about not putting everyone in the same box but that wasnt our doing that was Americas doing smh
Exactly, but thats cool that's why we are delineated and we are our own group. We had an ethno genesis, If I move to Nigeria I'm not nigerian so it should be the same when they get here.
@MissDZhae-px2ju That part sis! We are an amalgamation which in turn created our ethnogenesis 🙌🏽💯 I concur 🖤
@@ADOS_TNT
Us ADOS need to start having conversations about building our own city because I need us to get away from everyone at this point. IM TIRED🙄
The fact this is even a conversation is weird 🤦♀ The Think Pieces people make are annoying because WHO CARES!!
you can always find one person upset at something on the internet. It doesn't represent everyone. I hope one day people will learn this. If Tyla says she identifies as coloured, then that's what is it. irdgaf. Everybody making it a bigger deal than it is.
Yes we agree with you, appreciate you
Another example of some black Americans being upset that darker skin people in other parts of the world don’t live by the same sensibilities and terms as them despite having a completely different background than black Americans. I’m African American. Who am I to tell people in South Africa what terms to use?! The arrogance
They aren’t telling people what terms to use…. They are saying if you come to America people aren’t gonna call you colored because we don’t use that here and that’s fine.
Not necessarily arrogance, just the uneducated having a platform. People need to realize that race isn’t a real thing like ethnicity is. Race is something that’s CREATED socially so it will vary from place to place
@@ess6566 why dont you just call her by her name.
you people fascination with race/color is so silly.
@@rai2423 go tell those white, mexican and asian americans don't call them that or judge them by that standard. lol yall arent listening and its blatant ignorance
Y’all are so stupid 😂😂
The reason most Americans think Tyla is black is because of the old "One eigth" rule that used to apply to blacks in America stating that "every person who shall have one-eighth or more of negro blood shall be deemed and held to be a person of color". So yeah, it's an AMERICAN cultural thing. Most American blacks are taught to treat every shade as being black and because we're also American, we're taught to think we're the center of the universe. It's just an old way of thinking that is thankfully being corrected. Touch grass outside the U.S. too people!
Thank you!
Which is correct for if she was AMERICAN. However she is South African, and they have their own social constructed race. Meaning where she’s from, they refer to her skin color as colored rather than black. To us African Americans it sounds weird, but we have to know what’s black HERE may not be considered “black” in other places.
It also boils down to us being the lost people…..we yearn for identification outside our roots bound to America, but unfortunately we can’t find that. So we’re stuck being bound by the racial term black and implicitly want everyone with skin like us to identify under that umbrella with us to feel like we connect. However, that’s not the case
Don’t let Dee hear you say most don’t be generalizing. She hates that.
@@TEEAREE2X for some reason that made me sad 😢
I think most people fail to realize how BIG the US is. most of them have no concept of states and how many types of black people we have in each of them . I hate when we get generalized too.
I don’t give af about to get tyla is 😭😭😭 ain’t losing no sleep over here. I don’t be engaging in these type of convos bc idc 💀
So what's your point?
@@roddo1955The point is stop making it seem like we ALL care about what Tyla is when that is a small percentage online speaking on it. We don’t care what y’all identify as.
I definitely used to be one of those people on a Black power movement place in my life.
But it IS draining and you get tired of the same conversations. Ive ended friendships over these conversations because I called myself explaining certain things to my white friends and then they turn around and do or say some shit where I realized Id wasted my time.
The only times in my life when I made it a point to discuss and put my foot down is when my kids have experienced some form of racism in school. Ive HAD to go to bat for my kids and these schools realized that MY kids are the WRONG ones to f*ck with.
Too many Black, Brown and Indigenous parents wouldn't keep their foot on the schools neck about the racism but I did.
Im so glad my kids are adults now because racism in the schools is EXHAUSTING.
Racism in general is exhausting. Theres people who are fighting the good fight but I dont have it in me anymore.
THANK YOU DEE! We don’t all think the same😭 love ur content:)
Dee you are by far one of the hottest CZcamsrs.All natural beauty.
She IS the hottest CZcamsr hands down 😂
People in Somalia identify by their tribes and by their nationality. No one identifies by their skin color, it wasn't a conversation that big in Somalia before social media.
Dee I'm Nigerian (American), grew up in Nigeria. You gotta understand to the extent there is a global "narrative", it IS American. The movies that most of the world watch is American. The attitudes (recycling, HOV lane, etc) that most of the world adopts is American. The music that most of the world listens to is American. So people have a view that American dominates everything, more so the system of AMERICA, they're not even thinking "black america" or "white america" most of the time. Also most of the loud voices on the internet WILL be American (think about who has the most subscribers on IG, Twitter etc.). So some people overreact to American ideas they take issues with, just because they already view America as being very dominant. You're right about Americans being lumped into a group, but just want to shed light on why people would do that.
Wouldn’t that make them just as ignorant then🤦🏽♀️
@@jarricah7920Exactly.
I hate when people generalize a whole group of people based on one person. Not all Black Americans think the same or have the same viewpoints.
damn this world tour been working your vocal chords outtttt 😂😂😂
From South Africa: Tyla is classified as Coloured(mixed race) which would have been the same as like Cole, drake and other mixed race
It’s starting to annoy us as Africans when some African Americans try and tell us how we are classified without knowing how we work. It’s growing a strong hate or “beef” between African Americans and Africans in general
I'm going to be honest we don't give a shit go cry about it
It’s not necessarily that, you just have to realize that many are uneducated. They think from the premise of their country’s PERSONAL social construct of race, whereas other countries have their own racial social constructs due to slavery in those places too. All in all, the beef between African Americans and Africans is engineered purposely through confusion. We as a people together just have to be more open to educating each other and communicating rather than trying to “out” people for simply being unaware
It’s because y’all don’t understand African American culture. We still consider mixed people black. Y’all don’t because of apartheid.
But over here we don't have that classification. J cole and drake (maybe not anymore lol) is considered blk. I think I depends on where u r in the world. If tyla over in America she's gonna be seen as blk
@@brandond1947 100% correct
As a south african i must say inlike this lady s vibe😂.glad i discovered your channel today
Mind you, this whole "debate" surrounding Tyla kicked off on twitter like a year ago because a black american pointed out how Tyla is coming here, to AMERICA, to market herself and her career, to sell her music, to win awards at our award shows, and perform on our talk shows, and so black americans were like "oh cool, here's this cool new black female artist to check out". And then South Africans got all in their feelings and starting making nasty tweets about "oh these americans are obsessed with race! Black americans don't know where they're from! Don't call Tyla black! You need to call her colored". Which THEN led to "We're not calling her colored here in America because that is a racist term". And then it's just gone back and forth from there. It's funny how Americans are expected to respect other formalities from other countries, but when we say that we're not calling somebody who looks like Tyla "colored", it's a problem that spawns all these tiktoks and BS. 🙃🙃🙃
ADOS was supporting her and hyping her up until this happened.
I’m sick of all of these Africans at this point. They even had the nerve to say we are jealous of her when we were happy that she was coming out here to perform & when she got that grammy. It was THEM who were mad because she got a grammy before Burna Boy, Tems, Ayra Starr, Davido etc etc. Like I said I’m SICK of them.
@@thecosmicchild8947 So you do care?😂
@@iluvbwx
Care about what tether?🥴
Nah it's fine if you dnt want to call her coloured, call her black if you want too ,that's fine but as long as you know the truth about want to be Ingorant of that truth that's fine. Call her black makes no nevermind to us , you call all your coloured people over there black anyway so it's fine, she knows who she is, what she not gonna do is deny her coloured culture because it's beautiful but America dnt want to see it so it's fine we will keep it ourselves. What you not gonna do is ease us and our culture, call us whatever you want, we know who we are.
Every year Dee lose her voice due to having fun overseas 😂😂😂 Thats a great problem to have
I agree pretty much with everything but Tyla definitely looks like a black woman. I know she is very ambiguous but her and her mom def look like black women. I have a friend who is also Indian and black and i think it's just Black people who are also southeast asian or south asian, the genes are very dominant from both ends and that is how you can tend to look more black to others or more indian to others. I think it's unfair to say she doesn't look black at all cause even she recognizes that outside of her country, her phenotypes would not portray her otherwise. but again, this whole discourse is v weird and I need people to just let it goooo lol
Came on the video sounding like Mariah Carey 😂
Saying biracial isn't black doesn't sit right with me. I've had black people shut down my trauma and tell me bluntly that what I experienced wasn't as bad as what they did. When my whole childhood, I experienced racism, and biracial people, especially those who have any color on them whatsoever, do feel black. They don't just cut that part out of their life. If anything, some of us have a lot of identity crises before we can even know who we truly are. So saying all this “biracial people aren't black” is indeed stupid, and how about we leave that up to us to decide what WE are?
No hate to you though dee I always love your videos 💗
Yea shits weird in today’s world we are forcing ppl to respect identities of ppl who changed genders but we can’t respect someone’s identity if they colored? Let biracial ppl identify how they want ain’t that deep
I’m black American and I’m losing sleep over this dee.
lmao
She has two biracial parents she’s a multiracial black woman, I’m biracial and even though I’m not as light as her I don’t feel like that make me less black.
Why not an Indian women? Or an Irish women? The one drop rule isn't globally and doesn't make sense anyway if you are three different races how do you choose which race you are? If you mothers white why not indenitfy as white of your mother black why not indenitfy as black? Why choose one race other the races in your blood? Why deny your whiteness or your Indianness by saying your black also "black" is not something that Africans say or call themselves that didnt come from Africa ,you were called black by the white man (amongst another worst things so l guess was the best you could be called and you decided to keep it) free yourself and be called by your ancestors tribe or place of birth ,just call yourself African why call yourself "black " doesn't make sense to us.
No one has time to care about what race she is. Nor does it put money in my pocket or food on my table to do so. You stay spitting facts!! Not all American are think the same and as Black people we are not all the same. I have never heard anyone say that they think Wakanad is a real country that's just crazy.
Thankyou, people are idiotic and super goofy🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
There has been discussion that she's playing us for money and that her parents are South East Indian.
But they aren’t tho
This is a ridiculous conversation 😂 who cares what she identifies as. She isn’t black. It doesn’t matter and I promise you most black Americans don’t care either. She puts out good music. Let it speak for itself. I agree with Dee
Clearly they do care if this man on that show "had to" bring it up, hopefully other black Americans can stop caring about her race too
@@traceynelson2170 I can understand it though because being colored here in America is such a derogatory term used from slavery and Jim Crow era. If it’s overlooked and given a pass, palm colored folks will feel it’s okay to revert back.
@@ashleyjohnson3582 no l dnt think anyone in America will want to use it and because it's not a skin color, it's our race and culture and lm sorry to say but no American can claim to be coloured ,it's a South African experience that doesn't exist there so we dnt want you to call yourselves coloured certainly not, it's not about you guys she not American and never will be so it wnt affect you guys at all.
@@ashleyjohnson3582 also you have your freedom no one can take it away , honestly Tyla wouldn't have that much effect on your culture, it's your culture she is only one person from outside of America, she is not trying to steal your culture she got her own allow her express that culture she is so understanding of how you guys feel ,show her the same , she said when she there she can be called black it's fine ,but she wnt call herself black because she is not ,it's like calling herself American ,she wnt because she is not, she is not ashamed of who she is she doesn't need your black label to be successful in America, lm sure black people can understand that she is not American and like someone that is not "exactly " like them, that's diversity someone different ,she us different why not celebrate her uniqueness and diversity instead of forcing her to identify as you want her too.
@@traceynelson2170 definitely understandable. I love the mix of cultures and to be able to explore them. That’s what America should be about or was in the past. I like the freshness of Tyla and Afro beats altogether. I wouldn’t want her to be anything other than herself which is why I say she isn’t black. It’s people projecting their perception onto others. A lot of black people really don’t care about someone labeling themselves as coloured, it’s the individuals with platforms who make these into issues.
At this point, what is black? Im genuinely asking because most "black" people in the U.S. have a mixed race ancestry either through slavery or willful mixed relationships. So are they not black?
This question is literally the number one reason to disregard the concept of race outside of survival in a racist society (a society which deems race as important) at the end of the day, all of this stuff is made up. There is more genetic diversity within Africa than anywhere else yet every "black" group is relegated to "blackness" because of a a system created before genetics was even an idea...
big difference between having a non white parent or grand or great grandparent which is recent ancestry vs having a non white ancestor for generations or hundreds ago. also someone who is mixed like tyla but doesn’t look dominantly black like halsey is white passing but she has a black parent just like how zendaya has one black and one white parent but they look way different.
They accepted Ariana Grande as black when she’s 100% cawcajun. They gon accept Tyla and imma still blast her music 😂 She’s such a great artist
Yeah she’s a great artist too. The only people who cares are bums and losers on Twitter and TikTok 😂
As someone who identified as white when i see tyla i don't see black women maybe mixed at best but you can tell she's Indian look like them alot.
@rai2423 lol no dee look like black women not only the color but features there are some black people who are lighter that tyla but they look black because of their facial features even when they talk yet tyla doesn't have those she look like typical Delhi girl. And sounds like one too she has that Indian accent.
@rai2423 lol you're obviously new here because dee is black full black she talked about her experience quite often as black woman. And both of her parents are black. So to call dee isn't fully black because she might be on lighter side is quite rude tbh.
@@rai2423Tyla accent is closer to Gandhi than Nelson Mandela bfr. She looks Indian to me too. Dee looks a light skinned woman. Beyoncé and Solange, Chloe and Halle are light skinned black women too. They don't look Indian or part Asian at all. It's about features not just skin tone. Tyla sister looks black tho from her brown skin tone to her hair texture and he features are very East African like. She looks like a black Somali girl
@@rai2423 No that how it works in the US, 2. things. Race is not exclusive in the US and a lot of foreign Blacks get this wrong about the US. Someone mix is bi or multi racial not new racial. Otherwise, Tyla can be call Black on Monday and Asian or whatever Tuesday it makes no difference. it never meant they are exclusively that. in the US mix people check Mutiple boxes do not look for an exclusive new mix category.
2. Dee is predominately of African ancestry most Black American dark or light skin are so in this case Black means mostly Black. African American families are various shades Cousins, parents, grandparents, Aunts, Uncles. etc are different shades. there is no all light skin or all dark skin black families in the US. So it doesn't matter if they like light like Beyonce or dark like Gabrielle Union, So you can't separate dark and light skin in the US. We distinct someone who have recent mix ancestry like a White parent from someone predominately of African ancestry. So some like Beyonce is not view like Mya. Both of Beyonce parents of predominately African ancestry she just light skin. While Mya actually has a white parent.
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How is Dee not fully blvck?🥴
I disagree, Tyla absolutely looks to be mixed with black but she doesnt look like a full black person and ive always felt she had indian ancestry by her look and accent. Tyla saying she is black isnt her saying she is black overall, she is saying that this is a part of her genetic makeup just like her other three. Why cant come people see this and understand it for what it is lol?
But how does a full black person look like? Cause Dee is black and I’m black and we both don’t look 100% 💀
@@Jess-yp9fo for me it usually comes down ti features. Of course there are nuances to this but Tyla specifically has never looked fully black to me. Some say she doesnt look black at all and i simply disagree
@@Jess-yp9fo are you saying that Dee doesn’t look fully Black because she’s lightskin? Cuz if that’s the case then that’s a pretty ignorant mindset to have. Especially seeing as there are in fact fully Black lightskin people.
@@Jess-yp9fo Black people have similar phenotypes. Stop acting dense.
As a black American, I am really saddened that anyone thinks I would give a f*** about Tyla’s Race or even ethnicity… What I do care about is if that next album gon be a step up 🙄😒🤷🏾♂️
You tripping. Her album was fire
Exactly I’ve said that so many times that Idgaf what she is nor do I care but Africans are still going to say black Americans care about what she identifies as. You know as blvck people in the states we can’t be individuals🙄
Guys she’s literally a vulgarized synonym of being MIXED… yall say mixed people are blck she exactly said she’s COLOURED and BLACK. Yall complicate a lot of things.
Same way “some americans” lol complicate that creole bs…
Trevor Noah already explained the race classification in SA
mess had me heated on that damn twitter/x/whatever
if they don't let this girl enjoy her newfound fame. didn't do a damn thing wrong so far
tyla was just the water girl until kai’s stream, then she was the chick who dubbed kai. i’m bs’n a lil, water a hit, …. …. .. but i ain’t losin sleep. not a wink.
Hope your voice gets better!
Appreciate you for holding it down for us Dee 🇺🇲🖤 ADOS we all we got!!!
Oh that's not-
@@atomixdragonyeah. Those ADOS folks are weird
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So are you Africans🤷🏽♀️worry about why whyte South Africans had to make a whole city to get away from blvck South Africans because y’all are dangerous.👋🏾
In my opinion tyla look black especially her sister and brother her dad is Indian and her mom is black/zulu and Irish and saying she don’t look black there are some black people who are black but don’t look like it and African American/ black people are very diverse in looks and appearance skin tone complexion and as long as she consider her self colored(mixed race) that’s fine
No she doesn't look black stop it
Who had you yelling? lmao 🤣
Dee has been partying 😮😮😮😮😮 can’t wait for travel vlog
I love that u sound like Kelis now that you're sick. You also always looked like early Kelis too lol.
The colored class was created by the white ruling class as an ingenious way to divide, conquer, and control less privileged non-blacks. A good analogy would be the field slave and house slaves in slavery-era America.
Members of this group included "brown" Asians, mixed race individuals, and even full-blooded light-skinned blacks (e.g., some Khoi San and albinos). Inclusion into this group was based largely on phenotypic expression. Therefore, it was very common to have colored people with family members who were white or black. There was another class: the "honorary whites". Yes, this was a real thing, and it included fair-skinned non-whites (Some Chinese, Indians, and Eastern Europeans).
Coloreds were considered better than blacks but below whites. This meant a closer proximity to whiteness and privileges thereof. A good analogy would be the overseers and slave-catchers during 16-19th century America.
IMO, this racial classification should have been abolished with aparthied.
Totally agree with Dee, she keeps a good record of making sense.
Some Americans are ignorant when it comes to worldview, and project classifications that have existed for only 300-400 years onto the world as if they're not invented terms as well. Coloured's been a South African classification almost as long as the Dutch colonization itself. It was used to separate mixed black people from native South Africans since the latter's the majority there. Unlike the US, where the one-drop rule has existed, mixed black people were segregated with black people since they've been a minority group in numbers.
If Tyla was born in the US before gen z she would've probably been classified as black, like Barack Obama, Halle Berry, the Mowry siblings, some other mixed black celebrities. However, she looks multiethnic/mixed as she described herself to be, not Zulu or Indian or Irish etc. Inn the past decade, there seems to have been a shift in how Americans identify mixed people (or how they identify themselves), rather than grouping them with one ethnic group. And ironically, many who browbeat others with heritage many of the time aren't 100% one ethnic group themselves. People need to let the girl be, and get several lives. PS, she favors younger Christina Milian a bit.
I can always tell when Dee is on vacation just by the thumbnail lol
People dont like Americans because of real life reasons n history too like its the main country in a lot of ways, and people are bound to think their thoughts cuz American Culture is perceived as that, being loud, individualistic and having strong beliefs.
And that's called being prejudice....... being prejudice to Americans is called prejudice no different. If you educated, you suppose rise above generalizing any direction.
As a black American I didn’t even know people were talking about her race (we don’t care)
South africans forget that she aint south africa anymore so when people call her coulored it confusing cause americans dont go by that ....south africans are so dramatic they think all eyes are on them
I like your voice like this 😭😭
Had me weak asf as soon as you started talking 🤣
Black American here🙌🏾
I’m not losing any sleep over this cause I rlly don’t care😂 didn’t even know until you posted about this. Ik people hate Americans and call us dumb but… I’m too busy trying to defend LA let alone America 😂
Most African-Americans aren't Black either. Produce the DNA tests because most are "Coloureds" as well.
She Not Like Us Black Americans
No one cares bro
Because she’s South African.
Because she's South African foo! Lol
Because she is not a black American tf weirdo
Ugh
The first time I'm watching you and already like what you are about. I gather from this video that you do not surround yourself with a certain type of people (narrow-minded) and that is great, I strive to always keep stupid out of my circle, however that does not negate the fact that the internet does have a whole lot of stupid and they are everywhere! Let's also bare in mind that the internet does carry a whole lot of weight socially and that is how most people educate themself today, therefore the narrative that is being carried coming out from America to the rest of the world is that that is how most American's think and that they believe everything revolves around them. It's the propaganda that most media outlets use to separate the U.S from the rest of the world. So I understand your frustration because some of us SAn's are shocked to hear the same things about us coming from other African countries simply because SA is the most developed. We get labelled as xenophobic and anti-African and capitalists, etc.... but that it only expresses the view of the ignorant and self-hating blacks.
Didn’t even know there was discourse until I saw this video😭
This is a very complex advent with several moving parts:
1. Black Americans have moved to gatekeep our identity and culture. 'Black' is our ETHNIC IDENTITY in America, and it not a race nor based upon phenotype. Moving to America or being born in America does not make one a Black American, one cannot immigrate into an ethnicity.
2. Immigrants want to step in and out of "Black" for the social currency of the Black American identity, and this is no longer acceptable.
3. It matters not whether Tyla identifies as 'Black' or Coloured, she is being planted in Black American cultural spaces for commercial success, and we see the game. We not goin. She needs to model her marketing after Sade. Walk in who you are.
She’s not tho she’s very clear on her African identity you guys are just crazy and need to travel more it’s unintelligence that’s causing this debate
That sounds like apartheid.
She is multiracial/mixed which is "coloured" according to South Africa. She isn't black. Why don't people understand that?
@@legallymisunderstood8369 Because they're playing a game that we have stopped. These same Africans are going hard in the paint for a coloured girl while the denigrate Black American bi-racials at the same damn time. They want to move in and out of the "Black" identity the same as they have done for decades while we weren't bothered. They confuse cultural gatekeeping with prejudice and are offended that we are doing so. #Cope
Those who are black in Western countries where there is a majority white population are the ones who call themselves black, negro, noir, etc.
White people are the ones who first used the term black, negro, or noir when speaking of people of African descent.
Someone from African descent born in France, Brazil, or Portugal, for example, does not call themselves black because of the black American influence this is a crazy narrative not based on facts.
This is due to the majority of the white population using this term towards them.
This is why black ppl living in those western countries began using it themselves.
The situation for Continental Africans living in the Continent is completely different.
They lived in a mostly black country, so there is no point in identifying themselves as black.
To get back to the point, CONTEXT MATTER.
Cant the same be said about Nicki she is Black/Indian/Chinese/Japanese the only difference to Tyla is she has no white but instead other Asian roots but no one is having a debate about her race not saying they should obviously and you cant even mention it being because of her feature because ive seen some black and white pics of Nicki looking more Chinese than Black so if were going to do this keep the same energy for every artist or celebrity of a mixed background.
SULTRY DEE VOICE ❤❤❤
18:09 "These are not Black ppl." 😅😅😅
You can identify as what you want now. I'm a butterfly sometimes a swan lol
When did race, ethnicity, and nationality become this complicated? It’s really not that hard or deep; I don’t understand what some people don’t get💀 You’re either white, black, asian, indigenous, or mixed. After that the type of whatever you are depends on your home country, citizenship, heritage, etc
I don’t see Tyla as black either I could careless about Tyla to be honest I’m jus annoyed at her not speaking up and answering the question or at least telling the breakfast club before the interview don’t ask me that question
You didn’t watch the whole video?. lol the video did explain that it was written not to ask her them questions before they asked them 🤣😂
I agree it’s different when it said disrespectfully. For example tyla said I identify as a colored South African. The word black is not the word they use over there to classify themselves fine ,and two she is made up of more than African she basically a (mutt no disrespect), Now Kai cenat on the other hand said he’s Jamaican and that black people have no culture because where not Kenyan, Trinidadian, or Somalian ect like he’s better or something when he’s cosplaying.
I never thought about it and I don’t care.
Tyla have a coloured living in Johannesburg accent not Indian
Even if someone has lighter complexion, their hair texture will usually indicate if they have Black ancestry.
And if their ancestry indicate that there is a Black person in their lineage, then how can anyone state that the person is not Black?
But, the most important question is for the person who is multi-racial and mixed with Black, their acceptance of all of their family history is important and they should personally accept that they have Black ancestry.
Only DSBM want Tyla to be black , she does not want them and look at how upset they are !
She is coloured like millions of South Africans
this whole topic, especially the part you mentioned about what some somali's say about black american's really just makes me want to listen to Kendrick's The Blacker The Berry..It's just another instance of Black americans repurposing something that was seen as universally derogatory and turning it into a point of power. I love us so much that I would never ever FORCE anyone to be apart of our African American tribe...especially if they don't want too be. Before us (and even after) the term black has always been associated with evil or darkness or something along those lines, Now when you think of black you think of power. Again, I love us....great content by the way! love your opinions
As an African, it’s only in the west that know we are considered black. We literally have no clue or even give a shit about colors. Somalis are very different since they are very ancient people who are very proud of their ethnicity. The only label they like having is being Somali alone just like their ancestors.
I feel you girl
Loll when u seen the pics of the coloured grouped together, ur response was so funny 😂 yup those are the coloured hehe