This is a table top review and comparison of the Springfield 911 and the Sig P238. I start with an unboxing and then move through a point by point comparison of the two pistols.
Now that’s how you do a comparison. That’s how you do a video of any kind. Very well prepared and informative. No slow down with on the spot “umhs and ahhs”. I rarely watch videos over even10 minutes as they seem to have someone stumbling over 3 or 5 minutes of info. WELL DONE!
Very good and thorough review. I am soon purchasing my first firearm and the 911 caught my attention while browsing today. I am looking for a small and light weight CCW for everyday use and the 911 seems to be the winner due to the compact size and the 1911 styling which I am a fan of. The extended 7 round magazine makes it feel as though it was designed to fit snugly inside my palm and I feel will make an excellent CCW. Great review, very detail oriented and showed the positives of each firearm
Outstanding comparison and video. Really enjoyed it as I am doing some research and this popped up. You broke those down scientifically and I really appreciate the effort that you put into this man. Only problem is both of them are real tough to get right now. So many places out of stock. Ugh!.
Thanks a lot for the tip about the 911 7-shot mag fitting perfectly in the P238. I just bought me one off Midway for a little more than $18 off Midway. I own a P238.
Great video. This helped me on my decision when I purchased my black and green 911 today as I finally found a local shop with one in stock. I absolutely love my 911 and can't wait to put a bunch of rounds through it. Thank you again for the video.
Awesome video and tutorial...recently purchased the Springfield 911...think I will be very pleased with it. It came with everything in the case you displayed along with 5 magazine. Super presentation.
My Sig P238 came with an extended 7 round magazine in the box. I did purchase an additional Sig extended 7 round magazine for about $50. Very happy with the Sig.
Awesome bench http review! Thanks, girlfriend was getting a Sig P238 in her stocking, now perhaps a Springfield instead. In either case she will not be disappointed!
Michael Carnes I got mine new at $650....I have many guns now but this one is still the very best! I didn’t get as good a deal as you did...but the gun is worth every cent(-:
I won the Springfield 911 in there EDC $150K "every day carry" contest. 3 months after I purchased the P238. Both weapons are very close as the video shows. I carried both for 3 months and found the 911 to be just a little better of a fit for me and gave the P238 to #1 son. I've measured the trigger weight at 3.4lbs on the 911 and also found the pull on the slide less then on the P238. I preferred the G10 grips on the 911 over the P238's wooden but its a easy and cheap task to put them on the P238, I'm currently trying the Viridian grip laser that was part of the EDC package, I do have to say I am EVERY displeased with Viridian as a company for there product, I can only say it arrived not working, not the prize they said its was and now 4 weeks later 3 ppl and no answers. But the engineer son had it working in a hour. I did prefer the sites on the 911 over the P238 as well. The one thing I did not prefer on the 911 over the P238 is the safety, the ambidextrous safety on such a small weapon IMPO doesn't work. When Time permits, I plan on seeing if the P238 right hand safety lever will fit the 911, if not I will be machining the ambi lever down to keep it from contacting the web of my right hand when lowering it. Great video thank you.
@@stewmeat30 Actually it does so you can switch the safety off before you draw with your trigger finger before you draw it out of the holster much easier than with the safety nearest your waist line.
Excellent comparison. While I know this is older, comparing both to the Kimber Micro380 and Colt Mustang would've have been ideal, but obviously there are limits on time and availability. I have a Sig P238 SAS with stainless slide, much better night sights, and some other features on the Springfield 911. I also have a Kimber Micro380 CDP with the 911 features and a carry "melt" treatment (like the SAS) stainless slide and barrel. In 2015, I paid less than $700 for the Sig new, and the Kimber was under $800. I also found the mags between the Micro380 and P238 were interchangeable, except one Kimber extended mag required much more force due to the base interfering with the P238 magwell (easily fixable).
Thank you for a fast moving review. I like the look of the SS model of the 911. You reassured me I am getting a good pistol in the 911. Once the hysteria calms down I’ll pickup a 911 with a laser. For now I’ll continue with my Ruger LCPII with the Viridian Laser
LOve the 911---came with 3 mags--rails a little rough from finish--lightly sanded and polished--400 rds no failures--I am loving the external extractor--- love this pistol
I've owned the Tuxedo edition P238 for about 4 years now. It lives up to its reputation: it is reliable, accurate, and comfortable to shoot. From a maintenance point of view I've had to change recoils springs about every 600 rounds or so, and I've had to replace the magazine catch spring because the magazine started ejecting while I was shooting it. This is routine for sure. Nice review.
I put a Wolff extra power spring in mine and it really made a difference for 11 bucks. I'd highly recommend it. It made an already comfortable shooting firearm even more so in my opinion. But I've always loved the P238, it's hard to beat for it's size. I got mine for practically nothing so I'd never complain about it. It's always been reliable and accurate for what I would ever need it at.
I've had the SIG P238 HD for several years, the HD model is slightly heavier because of it's all Stainless construction. SIG, Springfield and Kimber are all copied from the long discontinued Colt Mustang with mainly cosmetic differences. All three makes are softer shooting micro's than similar sized polymer framed direct blowback operated pistols. Their delayed blowback actions don't require the stronger springs taking less grip strength to operate the slide. The felt recoil is noticeably softer and they are surprisingly accurate for their size.
I have the P938 and it's a great gun. Great trigger, sights and feel in the hands. Sig makes about 10 different variations of the gun which is pretty cool too.
I have one also, and it is a beautiful gun with scroll work on the slide. Yesterday I took it out plinking and it jammed a number of times, don't know why, but a $600 gun should not do that. I may trade for a Kimber.
Good comparison video. The biggest improvement I see in the 911 design is the external extractor. P238’s are notorious for throwing brass in your face. The P938 has an external extractor and ejects more predictably. The 911 safety appears to be a little longer and more tactile. Trigger function on the 911 looks better, as you demonstrated. It would be nice if you used a digital trigger pull gauge if you are going to do a side by side comparison. As many know, these are both copies of the Colt Mustang. If Colt would have offered better sights and not been so ridiculously overpriced, they would have sold a ton of them. I own a P238, P938, original Mustang Govt Pocketlite, and Mustang XSP. The best shooter of the group is the P238, (in spite of poor ejection) followed by the Mustang XSP that I had fitted with Novak night sights. The worst overall is the original Govt Pocketlite. Full of cheap 1990’s MIM parts and acts like it. (But still worth a pretty penny)
Since my original reply, I’ve had the opportunity to handle and dry fire the 911. The slide serrations and grips are an improvement over other similar models, as are the longer safety levers. I’ll disagree with the reviewer about the trigger though. The example I handled had considerable stacking and grit in the trigger pull. The Sig and the Mustang both still have better triggers.
Yes, the Sig mag always work better in my limited edition colt than factory colt mags. Strange stuff. I buy and use Sig mags and the Sig actually shoot better and has much better sights.
So just to lend some substance here, the Sig P238 comes in many variations and the case and added items change depending upon that as well. Some come with extended mags and some do not. As far as the Springfield 911 goes, the changes are mostly options that some like over the Sig that are purchasable for the 238. Obviously there is a slight difference in things like the trigger safety and slightly more changes option of the outside extractor and perhaps other changes within the frame that this video did not cover. That being said, the biggest advantage to buying the Springfield 911 in usable functionality that isn't just based on preferences....is the lifetime warranty offered by SA. Sig's warranty is NOT bad... but in dealing with SA on other handguns, their service is both easy to access and among the very best when it comes to fixing or outright replacing one if their firearms. If I were not extremely happy with my Sig P238 HD, I'd consider the SA 911... and yes, they fire much the same, though I think the weight balance and guide rod spring make the Sig P238 just that much easier to keep on target for awesome grouping and keyhole shots...especially if the one carrying the gun has an average girl/lady arm and hand strength. Otherwise, it's hard to go wrong with either.
Excellent review me i take the springfield, though both are very slick little pistols. both would be excellent in 22 long rifle with a staggered clip .
Purchased 911 and had many problems feeding any ammo. Tricker pin kept falling out and jammed on every other round. Sent back too factory three times and finally asked for a refund. Springfield did return the purchase price of the 911. I purchased SIG 238 and have run a thousand rounds without a failure. Great comparison on both guns!
Went to the gun store looking for a 911 left with a P238. In person the P238 feels like a more premium product than the 911. Everything on it is just smoother and better machined. The only regret I have about it is that I like the slimness of the 911 for pocket carry.
Great video! I own a P238 in HD satin stainless steel. The 911 is a great value, and the trigger alone is a real upgrade… that said, I like the P238’s trigger. The 911’s light weight is another plus, as my HD is +/- 20 oz. The fact that I get a 50% reduction on my new mags is fantastic!! Oh, and pay extra for the mag w/ extended floorplate… even with recoil absorbed w/the HD’s weight, a solid purchase on the grip and 1 extra round are important in self defense. Maybe more so on a lighter pistol. Again, very well done video! I don’t regret my 238 purchase, but my daughter might arm-twist her dad for the 911. Great value.
I preferred the 911 CCW smaller version and don't regret it. Love it. Smaller and easier to conceal carry, very accurate. Academy had a special for 349 dollars, plus their 20 dollar coupon. You do the math. I came as the winner that day. Hit the lottery. $329 plus tax.
My sig 238 started dropping the magazine while firing at about 1000 rounds. Apparently the mag release spring has been wearing out on these models. I truly loved the gun but this new "feature " scared the hell out of me as this is my every day carry. I sent it back to sig and this is a known problem with the 238 and 938. They replaced the mag release spring and the main spring. Just giving everyone that owns the 238 the heads up
Kevin Medeiros We’ve had the same issue on my wife’s 938. We just received it back from Sig with a new Spring and mags. We need to get it out and see if in fact it has fixed the issue. It’s really a shame as otherwise it’s a great minuscule option for deep concealed carry. I will jump and grab a 9mm 911 as soon as it comes out as it will be great for “shorts” weather. I do hope it doesn’t have the same magazine popping issue as the sig though. If I don’t see the 9mm come soon I may jump at the XDe 45. It’s hideous but the manual of arms is much closer to my preferred carry, the CZ P-01.
Hope we get some high capacity versions sometime soon. They're both great guns, even without higher capacity magazines. Seems like all the gun companies are catching on with the whole high capacity micro thing. Would love to see some good SA models too. I don't think the CSX it anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be, but it doesn't compare to the quality of these. If either company made one of these with 10rds (or 11), I think it would be an extremely popular options. I heard the new Bodyguard 2.0 has an excellent trigger too. I think it's a little light though for not having a manual safety. (Although I'm not one for manual safeties... but I do prefer them on handguns with very light, short triggers).
Glad I watched this 1!! Just ordered another 7 round ext. Mag for my SIG P938 for 1/2 the price. New for $27 shipped off EBay compared to $44 plus shipping for the SIG name brand OEM 7 Round mags.
The p238 doesn't have a loaded chamber indicator but if you look on the right side of the breech you can always easily see the brass of your cartridge in the open visible gap between the breech and the bolt face. You can see this gap from 6:05 on just aft of the breech. I have the p238 and I love it. It's extremely easy to shoot well as it points naturally. I can hold about a 2-3 inche group at 15 yards bench resting it. With the 4 fives drills (5 shots/ 5 yards/ in 5" circle in 5 seconds) I easily keep everything within the circle. It has far less recoil than a Beretta Cheetah, also a .380 but easily 20% bigger and heavier. I wonder if with 2 oz. lighter than the p238 the 911 will be as comfortable to shoot? It's obviously a clone of the p238 which is a clone of the Colt Mustang II. I love the looks of all 3 but I actually think the new 911 looks best.
The more and more I read about issues with these high end 380's that I could easily afford, will stick with my LCP Custom for pocket carry. It does a fine job.
I have a lcp custom also; it's ideal for pocket carry due to it's safe double action feature. My "black pearl" p238 is a little jewel but remains in its carry case-lol.
Nice Job Always been a big SIG guy but I have been using my son’s 9 m/m storm. I like the Springfield also now. Never new that about there magazines... Thx😎
Your review is fantastic. Great job! I own the 911 and it shoots great but does NOT shoot Fiocchi worth a poo...eats everything else as far as my experience.
It’s not discontinued. I just bought one two weeks ago online at Omaha Outdoors. They’re out of stock now but you can click on the notify me when one becomes available and they will send you an email. They notified me when they got some in stock.
I'm glad I got my sig on sale for 490.00 I'd be upset. I do like the larger trigger guard opening on the 911. Thanks for the mag info and great review.
For me, the Sig ends all comparisons. I've had one for several years and it's taken the fun out of swapping and trading. Once you have one, you never want to let it get away.
Stay away from Dan Wesson, then. No MIM or cast parts, largely hand fitted, all at a price not too much above Sig and Kimber but with much higher quality. DW is like a gateway drug.
Never fired 911, But Just got my p238 3 days ago (238-380-WTP) , though I want the 238-380-TUX soooo bad , but it's haaaaard to find. Even if I do eventually find the TUX will be keeping both most likey. I was shooting a Ruger LCP 380 before this, and geez that thing bites so hard on the base knuckle of the thumb, something fierce, makes it hard to keep a tight grip, easy to flinch from, and mis-ejected like nearly every single mag. The sig I could fire one handed and hit 4in spacing at 7yards. it shoots like a dream compared to that ruger. Im new, shot maybe 700 rounds in my whole life? The Sig was super easy and comfy and reliable. I don't have to worry about having ejection or misfire issues like I did on ruger. This sig likely will never be replaced, other than by another sig I like better. I'm just that happy with it.
Nice presentation... thank you! I have the Sig P238. I don't carry it. The feature these hammer fired guns lack is a de-cocker. I carry the S/A XDE 9mm that is equipped with the de-cocker feature.
Damn good job on your video dude I don't even want a 380 and I'm ready to go buy one after watching this no BS no crappy music nothing but what a person wants to hear good job
Excellent review. One of the best I’ve heard in years. Ample lighting for black subjects on black backgrounds. No wasted verbiage or idle gibberish. Bravo.
Thanks for the great overview. Confirms why I am getting the Springfield 911. I'm definitely a Springfield fan - I have several of their .40 and 9 mm pistols (both XD-S calibers. I love them!). Some years ago my friend and I tried several brands of .380 and we did not like ANY of the trigger pulls so I never considered getting a .380 until now.
Nice video. Thank you. A couple of call-outs for folks wanting either of these. Make sure your holster, especially if IWB, covers the mag release. It is etched and will irritate you. It will be on the inside next to your body. Some holster makes use the same cutaway on both sides but you need more coverage on the mag release side. Also the safety might get bothersome after a while (but less so) if not covered. This "comes with the package" i a 1911. I have a couple of holsters that missed these small but important points. I may have to get new holsters.
Just purchased mine (PG9108 Springfield Armory, the all black one, cheaper) today online for $309 out the door no shipping. Can't beat that. $35 at my FFL and this will be a sweet deal.
My SIG p238 BRG with rubber Houge grips came with an extra 6 round mag. The BRG version has the extended clip/grip that holds 7 rounds. It was in the gun itself in the case and then the 6 round extra clip was in that extra clip space
I am a little confused by your comment, repeated for both pistols, that the magazine release was designed for left-handed shooters only. I am a left-handed owner of the Sig P238, and the release is fairly easy to activate using my left trigger finger. However, I frequently practice shooting right handed, in which case the magazine is even easier to activate using my right thumb. This is a small gun, and in the normal shooting grip my right thumb directly covers the magazine release. To my way of thinking, this release was designed specifically for right-handed shooters.
Have the 911 springfield, shot it on the indoor range about 200 rounds and had one failed to fire, fired on second attempt,,, had one jam on ejection, caught case sideways between bolt and chamber, otherwise performed ok... grips are a little agressive leaves hand a little rough after about 100 or so rounds... I like the glow in the dark sights and safety on both sides as I'm an L&R shooter.. .. got it for 299.00 with 5 magazines... well pleased for daily c- carry...
That's ba steal unfortunately just about any small .380 will have a failure from time to time it's the size and shape if the round . Waiting on the 9mm I'll bet runs flawless
Speaking of magazines, MetalForm makes both six and seven round magazines for the Sig/Sauer P238 which are great quality and sell for about $20. I bought one of the Sig 7 round mags and two of the Metalform , and can not tell any difference in either appearance or function.
Bam, I just snagged one brand new 911 for $399-. I have my girlfriends P238 sitting in my safe and I've been envious and wanting one for myself, now I have comparable for a considerable cheaper price. Yes, that was an impulse buy, but heck it saved me money so I had to move on it.
Enjoyed the review but am curious about the 2.5+ ounce weight difference. Where did Springfield find so much to cut? I see the different grips and slide shape, but 2.5 ounces in a
Great job! thank you. I wonder when Springfield will come out with a 911 9mm. I really want it but all my other pistols are 9'sgoing to put one I'm my hand tomorrow to see how it fits :)
It's interesting to see so many companies making copies of the colt mustang now and the colt version is still the most striped down and one of the most expensive version. I'd venture to say the only one more expensive than the colt are some of the kimber versions.
Just bought a Springfield 911 vs a Sig 238 partly due to your informational video. Thanks
I own the Springfield micro compact 45 and it has been a great gun I love it and it shoots so good.
Now that’s how you do a comparison. That’s how you do a video of any kind. Very well prepared and informative. No slow down with on the spot “umhs and ahhs”. I rarely watch videos over even10 minutes as they seem to have someone stumbling over 3 or 5 minutes of info. WELL DONE!
Thank you for a great in-depth, fair and balanced comparison video. Really, good job.
Very good and thorough review. I am soon purchasing my first firearm and the 911 caught my attention while browsing today. I am looking for a small and light weight CCW for everyday use and the 911 seems to be the winner due to the compact size and the 1911 styling which I am a fan of. The extended 7 round magazine makes it feel as though it was designed to fit snugly inside my palm and I feel will make an excellent CCW. Great review, very detail oriented and showed the positives of each firearm
One of the best "vs" review videos I've watched in a LONG time. 👍🏻
Excellent review. Straight to the point; step by step. Great detail. Best ever. thank you
Outstanding comparison and video. Really enjoyed it as I am doing some research and this popped up. You broke those down scientifically and I really appreciate the effort that you put into this man. Only problem is both of them are real tough to get right now. So many places out of stock. Ugh!.
Thanks so much for this video Chris. I love the P238 & am happy to see that there's another viable option in the 911. 👌👌👌
Thanks a lot for the tip about the 911 7-shot mag fitting perfectly in the P238. I just bought me one off Midway for a little more than $18 off Midway. I own a P238.
do you prefer the 911 or p238?
Midway has metalform mags for cheap, even the extended ones...like $15-$17 and I use them for my P238, they perform flawlessly.
As mentioned in the video, the Springfield 911 mags ALSO fit the Sig P238. Not sure the Kimber Micro mags will fit, but maybe...
-- BR
Thanks Chris for this very thorough comparison. You have earned another subscriber BTW.
It would be hard to do a better tabletop review/comparison of these two guns. Nice job.
Agree, love the quick talker.
Amen.
Nicely done (both the gun-Springfield) and your presentation.
Excellent review, concise and comprehensive. Thank you. I like the Springfield (except for the ambi safety lever).
Great review. Thanks. Getting my wife oriented and ready with guns and this will help her understand more. Appreciated review.
Great video. This helped me on my decision when I purchased my black and green 911 today as I finally found a local shop with one in stock. I absolutely love my 911 and can't wait to put a bunch of rounds through it. Thank you again for the video.
Any input? You enjoying the gun?
Same, I just bought a black/green in .380 today. Feels so good in your hands.
Awesome video and tutorial...recently purchased the Springfield 911...think I will be very pleased with it. It came with everything in the case you displayed along with 5 magazine. Super presentation.
My Sig P238 came with an extended 7 round magazine in the box. I did purchase an additional Sig extended 7 round magazine for about $50. Very happy with the Sig.
As always, excellent review. Appreciate your time and effort.
Awesome bench http review! Thanks, girlfriend was getting a Sig P238 in her stocking, now perhaps a Springfield instead. In either case she will not be disappointed!
VERY well done presentation! Liked, subbed and shared. Looking forward to perusing your offerings on some other firearms at which I am looking.
Rev. Steven Taylor Thanks for watching and subbing! I appreciate the feedback :)
I clearly got a better deal than I realized on my P238. Got it used for $500 with 2 extended magazines. Looks beautiful, shoots great.
Michael Carnes I got mine new at $650....I have many guns now but this one is still the very best! I didn’t get as good a deal as you did...but the gun is worth every cent(-:
I won the Springfield 911 in there EDC $150K "every day carry" contest. 3 months after I purchased the P238. Both weapons are very close as the video shows. I carried both for 3 months and found the 911 to be just a little better of a fit for me and gave the P238 to #1 son. I've measured the trigger weight at 3.4lbs on the 911 and also found the pull on the slide less then on the P238. I preferred the G10 grips on the 911 over the P238's wooden but its a easy and cheap task to put them on the P238, I'm currently trying the Viridian grip laser that was part of the EDC package, I do have to say I am EVERY displeased with Viridian as a company for there product, I can only say it arrived not working, not the prize they said its was and now 4 weeks later 3 ppl and no answers. But the engineer son had it working in a hour. I did prefer the sites on the 911 over the P238 as well. The one thing I did not prefer on the 911 over the P238 is the safety, the ambidextrous safety on such a small weapon IMPO doesn't work. When Time permits, I plan on seeing if the P238 right hand safety lever will fit the 911, if not I will be machining the ambi lever down to keep it from contacting the web of my right hand when lowering it. Great video thank you.
good to know that it wasn't some scam and they actually pick winners
really doesn't make sense to have an ambi safety but not an ambi mag release
@@stewmeat30 Actually it does so you can switch the safety off before you draw with your trigger finger before you draw it out of the holster much easier than with the safety nearest your waist line.
The Punk4Hire they’re made in the same factory. Springfield doesn’t t make anything.
@@stewmeat30 Springfield is known for the most possible safety's on a pistol that will fit so I think they were just sticking to the formula . LoL
Excellent review. I am a Sig fan but I love the 911 price and features.
because of your vid. I just bought a 91, I know im going to love it.
The magazine inter changeable is a Good feature for both Weapons. Thank You for the heads up
Excellent comparison. While I know this is older, comparing both to the Kimber Micro380 and Colt Mustang would've have been ideal, but obviously there are limits on time and availability. I have a Sig P238 SAS with stainless slide, much better night sights, and some other features on the Springfield 911. I also have a Kimber Micro380 CDP with the 911 features and a carry "melt" treatment (like the SAS) stainless slide and barrel. In 2015, I paid less than $700 for the Sig new, and the Kimber was under $800. I also found the mags between the Micro380 and P238 were interchangeable, except one Kimber extended mag required much more force due to the base interfering with the P238 magwell (easily fixable).
Thank you for a fast moving review. I like the look of the SS model of the 911. You reassured me I am getting a good pistol in the 911. Once the hysteria calms down I’ll pickup a 911 with a laser. For now I’ll continue with my Ruger LCPII with the Viridian Laser
Purchased the 911 for my wife who is left handed. The ambidextrous safety was a selling point along with the extra mag and lightness.
Great video bro!!!! All information without all the stories!!!
Love your style of review , you set a high bar
LOve the 911---came with 3 mags--rails a little rough from finish--lightly sanded and polished--400 rds no failures--I am loving the external extractor--- love this pistol
I've owned the Tuxedo edition P238 for about 4 years now. It lives up to its reputation: it is reliable, accurate, and comfortable to shoot. From a maintenance point of view I've had to change recoils springs about every 600 rounds or so, and I've had to replace the magazine catch spring because the magazine started ejecting while I was shooting it. This is routine for sure. Nice review.
I put a Wolff extra power spring in mine and it really made a difference for 11 bucks. I'd highly recommend it. It made an already comfortable shooting firearm even more so in my opinion. But I've always loved the P238, it's hard to beat for it's size. I got mine for practically nothing so I'd never complain about it. It's always been reliable and accurate for what I would ever need it at.
I've had the SIG P238 HD for several years, the HD model is slightly heavier because of it's all Stainless construction. SIG, Springfield and Kimber are all copied from the long discontinued Colt Mustang with mainly cosmetic differences. All three makes are softer shooting micro's than similar sized polymer framed direct blowback operated pistols. Their delayed blowback actions don't require the stronger springs taking less grip strength to operate the slide. The felt recoil is noticeably softer and they are surprisingly accurate for their size.
This is a great review and very helpful. Thanks!
That was such an excellent presentation, I subscribed!
I have the P938 and it's a great gun. Great trigger, sights and feel in the hands. Sig makes about 10 different variations of the gun which is pretty cool too.
I have one also, and it is a beautiful gun with scroll work on the slide. Yesterday I took it out plinking and it jammed a number of times, don't know why, but a $600 gun should not do that. I may trade for a Kimber.
Before you buy the Kimber, but some Kimber clips. They won’t jam in the p938 like sig clips do…
Good comparison video. The biggest improvement I see in the 911 design is the external extractor. P238’s are notorious for throwing brass in your face. The P938 has an external extractor and ejects more predictably. The 911 safety appears to be a little longer and more tactile. Trigger function on the 911 looks better, as you demonstrated. It would be nice if you used a digital trigger pull gauge if you are going to do a side by side comparison. As many know, these are both copies of the Colt Mustang. If Colt would have offered better sights and not been so ridiculously overpriced, they would have sold a ton of them. I own a P238, P938, original Mustang Govt Pocketlite, and Mustang XSP. The best shooter of the group is the P238, (in spite of poor ejection) followed by the Mustang XSP that I had fitted with Novak night sights. The worst overall is the original Govt Pocketlite. Full of cheap 1990’s MIM parts and acts like it. (But still worth a pretty penny)
Since my original reply, I’ve had the opportunity to handle and dry fire the 911. The slide serrations and grips are an improvement over other similar models, as are the longer safety levers. I’ll disagree with the reviewer about the trigger though. The example I handled had considerable stacking and grit in the trigger pull. The Sig and the Mustang both still have better triggers.
Yes, the Sig mag always work better in my limited edition colt than factory colt mags. Strange stuff. I buy and use Sig mags and the Sig actually shoot better and has much better sights.
I have both, my Colt has pre ban factory ivory grips. It is sweet.
My P238 throws brass straight up and sometimes over my head. That being said, I don't believe I've ever had a FTE or FTF.
Incredibly helpful information! I just made up my mind. It's gonna be the Springfield911.
So just to lend some substance here, the Sig P238 comes in many variations and the case and added items change depending upon that as well. Some come with extended mags and some do not. As far as the Springfield 911 goes, the changes are mostly options that some like over the Sig that are purchasable for the 238. Obviously there is a slight difference in things like the trigger safety and slightly more changes option of the outside extractor and perhaps other changes within the frame that this video did not cover.
That being said, the biggest advantage to buying the Springfield 911 in usable functionality that isn't just based on preferences....is the lifetime warranty offered by SA. Sig's warranty is NOT bad... but in dealing with SA on other handguns, their service is both easy to access and among the very best when it comes to fixing or outright replacing one if their firearms.
If I were not extremely happy with my Sig P238 HD, I'd consider the SA 911... and yes, they fire much the same, though I think the weight balance and guide rod spring make the Sig P238 just that much easier to keep on target for awesome grouping and keyhole shots...especially if the one carrying the gun has an average girl/lady arm and hand strength.
Otherwise, it's hard to go wrong with either.
Just bought a sig p238 today for $550 at bass pro shops! Pretty pleased with that price! Great review sir!
I purchased the Sig p238 at Academy Sports for $529 included 7 round extended magazine.
Perfect review/comparison. Very informative!
I appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
MarksmanTV it seems it has enough "room" to accommodate 9mm luger action/guts.
@@hondasaurusrex6998 I hope the dimensions won't change for the 9x19
@@anthonycather8035 From what I found out the length is about 1/4 inch longer, tight and thickness are the same.
Cool not a big difference looking forward to it
Excellent review me i take the springfield, though both are very slick little pistols. both would be excellent in 22 long rifle with a staggered clip .
Wow. An updated Sig Sauer p238 at a cheaper price and better quality. The beauty of the free market Capitalism.
JHstyle Won the Sig is a nice looking gun but damn it’s asking a lot for a .380.
LOL.
whatfreedom7 but not a lot for a Sig....
Sig p238 tried and true. Proven. 911? Struggling. Lots of misfeeds
JHstyle Won lol Sig makes them both so they win either way
Purchased 911 and had many problems feeding any ammo. Tricker pin kept falling out and jammed on every other round. Sent back too factory three times and finally asked for a refund. Springfield did return the purchase price of the 911. I purchased SIG 238 and have run a thousand rounds without a failure. Great comparison on both guns!
I had to send my 238 in to be fixed and my 911 has had no issues whatsoever. I still like both though.
Went to the gun store looking for a 911 left with a P238. In person the P238 feels like a more premium product than the 911. Everything on it is just smoother and better machined. The only regret I have about it is that I like the slimness of the 911 for pocket carry.
Great video! I own a P238 in HD satin stainless steel. The 911 is a great value, and the trigger alone is a real upgrade… that said, I like the P238’s trigger. The 911’s light weight is another plus, as my HD is +/- 20 oz. The fact that I get a 50% reduction on my new mags is fantastic!! Oh, and pay extra for the mag w/ extended floorplate… even with recoil absorbed w/the HD’s weight, a solid purchase on the grip and 1 extra round are important in self defense. Maybe more so on a lighter pistol.
Again, very well done video! I don’t regret my 238 purchase, but my daughter might arm-twist her dad for the 911. Great value.
I preferred the 911 CCW smaller version and don't regret it. Love it. Smaller and easier to conceal carry, very accurate. Academy had a special for 349 dollars, plus their 20 dollar coupon. You do the math. I came as the winner that day. Hit the lottery. $329 plus tax.
My sig 238 started dropping the magazine while firing at about 1000 rounds. Apparently the mag release spring has been wearing out on these models. I truly loved the gun but this new "feature " scared the hell out of me as this is my every day carry. I sent it back to sig and this is a known problem with the 238 and 938. They replaced the mag release spring and the main spring. Just giving everyone that owns the 238 the heads up
Kevin Medeiros We’ve had the same issue on my wife’s 938. We just received it back from Sig with a new Spring and mags. We need to get it out and see if in fact it has fixed the issue. It’s really a shame as otherwise it’s a great minuscule option for deep concealed carry. I will jump and grab a 9mm 911 as soon as it comes out as it will be great for “shorts” weather. I do hope it doesn’t have the same magazine popping issue as the sig though. If I don’t see the 9mm come soon I may jump at the XDe 45. It’s hideous but the manual of arms is much closer to my preferred carry, the CZ P-01.
Excellent video. Very helpful comparison.
Thanks! Informative and complete!
Hope we get some high capacity versions sometime soon. They're both great guns, even without higher capacity magazines. Seems like all the gun companies are catching on with the whole high capacity micro thing. Would love to see some good SA models too. I don't think the CSX it anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be, but it doesn't compare to the quality of these. If either company made one of these with 10rds (or 11), I think it would be an extremely popular options. I heard the new Bodyguard 2.0 has an excellent trigger too. I think it's a little light though for not having a manual safety. (Although I'm not one for manual safeties... but I do prefer them on handguns with very light, short triggers).
Glad I watched this 1!! Just ordered another 7 round ext. Mag for my SIG P938 for 1/2 the price. New for $27 shipped off EBay compared to $44 plus shipping for the SIG name brand OEM 7 Round mags.
The p238 doesn't have a loaded chamber indicator but if you look on the right side of the breech you can always easily see the brass of your cartridge in the open visible gap between the breech and the bolt face. You can see this gap from 6:05 on just aft of the breech. I have the p238 and I love it. It's extremely easy to shoot well as it points naturally. I can hold about a 2-3 inche group at 15 yards bench resting it. With the 4 fives drills (5 shots/ 5 yards/ in 5" circle in 5 seconds) I easily keep everything within the circle. It has far less recoil than a Beretta Cheetah, also a .380 but easily 20% bigger and heavier. I wonder if with 2 oz. lighter than the p238 the 911 will be as comfortable to shoot? It's obviously a clone of the p238 which is a clone of the Colt Mustang II. I love the looks of all 3 but I actually think the new 911 looks best.
The CA P238 version does have the loaded trigger indicator
The more and more I read about issues with these high end 380's that I could easily afford, will stick with my LCP Custom for pocket carry. It does a fine job.
I have a lcp custom also; it's ideal for pocket carry due to it's safe double action feature. My "black pearl" p238 is a little jewel but remains in its carry case-lol.
Nice Job Always been a big SIG guy but I have been using my son’s 9 m/m storm. I like the Springfield also
now. Never new that about there magazines... Thx😎
Your review is fantastic. Great job! I own the 911 and it shoots great but does NOT shoot Fiocchi worth a poo...eats everything else as far as my experience.
I just discovered the 911 last week and after getting excited, learned that it was discontinued along with a number of pistols. :-/ Great review!
It’s not discontinued. I just bought one two weeks ago online at Omaha Outdoors. They’re out of stock now but you can click on the notify me when one becomes available and they will send you an email. They notified me when they got some in stock.
Well done video and I appreciate the info very much. Thank you
Flawless review! I almost purchased the P38 today but love the 911 review. Thank you! Subscribed.
Excellent analysis
Pretty thorough review.
I'm glad I got my sig on sale for 490.00 I'd be upset. I do like the larger trigger guard opening on the 911. Thanks for the mag info and great review.
For me, the Sig ends all comparisons. I've had one for several years and it's taken the fun out of swapping and trading. Once you have one, you never want to let it get away.
Stay away from Dan Wesson, then. No MIM or cast parts, largely hand fitted, all at a price not too much above Sig and Kimber but with much higher quality. DW is like a gateway drug.
Never fired 911, But Just got my p238 3 days ago (238-380-WTP) , though I want the 238-380-TUX soooo bad , but it's haaaaard to find. Even if I do eventually find the TUX will be keeping both most likey. I was shooting a Ruger LCP 380 before this, and geez that thing bites so hard on the base knuckle of the thumb, something fierce, makes it hard to keep a tight grip, easy to flinch from, and mis-ejected like nearly every single mag. The sig I could fire one handed and hit 4in spacing at 7yards. it shoots like a dream compared to that ruger. Im new, shot maybe 700 rounds in my whole life? The Sig was super easy and comfy and reliable. I don't have to worry about having ejection or misfire issues like I did on ruger. This sig likely will never be replaced, other than by another sig I like better. I'm just that happy with it.
Really good video. Very informative.
Nice presentation... thank you! I have the Sig P238. I don't carry it. The feature these hammer fired guns lack is a de-cocker. I carry the S/A XDE 9mm that is equipped with the de-cocker feature.
Great video!! Very thorough. Thank you
Good review. Thank you!
Excellent presentation....Thankyou!
Nice complete review!
Damn good job on your video dude I don't even want a 380 and I'm ready to go buy one after watching this no BS no crappy music nothing but what a person wants to hear good job
Excellent review 👌
I really like the Springfield
Excellent review. One of the best I’ve heard in years. Ample lighting for black subjects on black backgrounds. No wasted verbiage or idle gibberish. Bravo.
I use Springfield 911 .380 mags in my Sig P238. The Springfield mag works better in the Sig than the Sig mag and is half the price.
Your comment about left handed twice had me rolling.. lols Great run through man thanks! :) Cheers!
Great review!
Thanks for the informative video. Are you planning on doing a range review of the Springfield 911?
Thanks for the great overview. Confirms why I am getting the Springfield 911. I'm definitely a Springfield fan - I have several of their .40 and 9 mm pistols (both XD-S calibers. I love them!). Some years ago my friend and I tried several brands of .380 and we did not like ANY of the trigger pulls so I never considered getting a .380 until now.
Nice video. Thank you. A couple of call-outs for folks wanting either of these. Make sure your holster, especially if IWB, covers the mag release. It is etched and will irritate you. It will be on the inside next to your body. Some holster makes use the same cutaway on both sides but you need more coverage on the mag release side. Also the safety might get bothersome after a while (but less so) if not covered. This "comes with the package" i a 1911. I have a couple of holsters that missed these small but important points. I may have to get new holsters.
I just hope Springfield releases the 911 in a 9mm version so I can save some cash on mags for my P938.
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Outstanding Review!!!!
Thanks, good review.
Just purchased mine (PG9108 Springfield Armory, the all black one, cheaper) today online for $309 out the door no shipping. Can't beat that. $35 at my FFL and this will be a sweet deal.
Love the price and features of the Springfield 911 but great demonstration
I noticed the 911 safety can be moved to safe while apart.
The Sig P238 supposedly can not be moved to safe while apart without damaging it.
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My SIG p238 BRG with rubber Houge grips came with an extra 6 round mag. The BRG version has the extended clip/grip that holds 7 rounds. It was in the gun itself in the case and then the 6 round extra clip was in that extra clip space
I am a little confused by your comment, repeated for both pistols, that the magazine release was designed for left-handed shooters only. I am a left-handed owner of the Sig P238, and the release is fairly easy to activate using my left trigger finger. However, I frequently practice shooting right handed, in which case the magazine is even easier to activate using my right thumb. This is a small gun, and in the normal shooting grip my right thumb directly covers the magazine release. To my way of thinking, this release was designed specifically for right-handed shooters.
Have the 911 springfield, shot it on the indoor range about 200 rounds and had one failed to fire, fired on second attempt,,, had one jam on ejection, caught case sideways between bolt and chamber, otherwise performed ok... grips are a little agressive leaves hand a little rough after about 100 or so rounds... I like the glow in the dark sights and safety on both sides as I'm an L&R shooter.. .. got it for 299.00 with 5 magazines... well pleased for daily c- carry...
Where did you find it for that price
@@michellefrench1217 I have the same exact question. I'm seeing $549-$599.
That's ba steal unfortunately just about any small .380 will have a failure from time to time it's the size and shape if the round . Waiting on the 9mm I'll bet runs flawless
Great video. Own the P238 and been thinking of getting the 911. This video sealed the deal. Happy mags are interchangeable.
Why does your magazine slide in effortlessly on the sig? I have to palm slap mine in when I have about an inch of mag left showing.
Speaking of magazines, MetalForm makes both six and seven round magazines for the Sig/Sauer P238 which are great quality and sell for about $20. I bought one of the Sig 7 round mags and two of the Metalform , and can not tell any difference in either appearance or function.
Great freaking review thanks
Bam, I just snagged one brand new 911 for $399-. I have my girlfriends P238 sitting in my safe and I've been envious and wanting one for myself, now I have comparable for a considerable cheaper price. Yes, that was an impulse buy, but heck it saved me money so I had to move on it.
Enjoyed the review but am curious about the 2.5+ ounce weight difference. Where did Springfield find so much to cut? I see the different grips and slide shape, but 2.5 ounces in a
Nutnfancy weighed the P238 in at about 13 oz, so Sig may be conservative with the listed weight
Alloy
That's a great question. Somewhere in-between alloy and lest quality controls.
shooting vid of the 911?
Great job! thank you. I wonder when Springfield will come out with a 911 9mm. I really want it but all my other pistols are 9'sgoing to put one I'm my hand tomorrow to see how it fits :)
It's been out.
Personally the Kahr pm9 is FAR SUPERIOR to the Springfield 911 9mm
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It's interesting to see so many companies making copies of the colt mustang now and the colt version is still the most striped down and one of the most expensive version. I'd venture to say the only one more expensive than the colt are some of the kimber versions.