Red Oak; fiction or fact? The Boss’s Opinion on the Matter
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Brings back old memories. In 1966 or 1967, when I was a kid, my dad built what we called the "new barn" (as opposed to the milk barn, the tobacco barn or the pig barn I guess). He was JP at the time (like most Tennessee farmers, he had to have a job so he could afford to farm) and used volunteer prisoners as the labor, and built the walls out of hemlock, and the stalls and floor of the loft out of rough cut oak from the sawmill. That barn is still standing as strong today as the day it was built.
In 1977 my Dad bought a Datsun pickup that had a hand made red oak canopy on it. My first thought was to save the boards, but couldn't pull any nails out. Dad was raised in the midwest and had been around oak, walnut and many trees that were not native to north Idaho. At my frustration of attempting to pull nails he said "You know they either pre-drill or nail oak when it is green. Dad was wise beyond his years being raised in the depression. He also watched me try pulling nails for nearly an hour BEFORE telling me they likely won't come out. He was adept at watching us figure out and solve problems on our own sometimes. As I watch these videos I can see good Dad material in Bossman.
Good Boss, I hold such huge, immense respect for your supreme work ethic and all you have accomplished there. With the ten fingers on two arms, I heated my large farm house with wood: dropping, splitting, hauling and stacking. Loved every minute of it. And the support of all family members speaks to a man of the highest character. How Wonderful ! Respectfully Yours, Dave F.
Always great to hear the Boss man's plans and thought process.
Was by your place about 8:30 this am. Myself and another supervisor ran into old Lyc. For supplies. Thought about stopping in for a hello and introduction. but you were working and we did not wish to interrupt. Perhaps another day. Hope the oak works out for you, it makes sense to me! Be well gang! Great videos!
Awesome looking product and you're right Ken using a hardwood for a floor.....even in a house is amazing rather than Pine or Hemlock. I really hope this works for you and the transition to a hardwood mill makes you the go to mill in your county. Thanks to the girls for the video as well
Thanks Stephen for the comment. Have a good evening…Boss Man.
That red oak is a real bargain at pine or hemlock prices. However, I can already imagine someone complaining that you are pricing the soft wood product as high as the red oak.
Excellent! I love it when a plan comes together. Thanks for the video ladies and have a great evening! TTFN
Best wishes for your continued success. I really can't believe you are able market all of those species at the same price point. Take care and God bless.
The price for hardwood is usually driven by the higher price for hardwood timber demanded by the landowner. If the landowners are unaware of the difference in value, then the cost of production is not much greater. That said, I'd love to get my hands on some reasonably priced hardwood.
The boards look great. Emerald and Jade are doing a super job. They are also a spirited family on CZcams with their cool video production - something I enjoy watching. Boss Man has everything under control and is in a good mood.
Thanks Ernesto for the comment. Have a good evening…Boss Man.
Bossman: What a great day for you and your hard working daughters. I saw a
glimpse of a red oak log on the mill and it was beautifully
Grained.
This Could Be The Start of Something Big.
Thanks Dave for the comment…Boss Man.
I've been a sawyer for a long time and if I may pass a word of advice, if your going to be stacking and stickering lumber, make sure stickers are directly above one another or you're going to end up with some squirrely lumber after just a short period of time.
Ron J
You are right. Good sticker advice.
@@michaeldougfir9807 A guy wanted me to make some custom closet doors out of red oak that he had in a warehouse, probably 10 thousand bf, random sticker placement and of different thicknesses. Dozens of lifts of 10 ft long lumber and couldn't get a single piece of straight lumber more than 30 inches long. What a waste.
I second that...
Butting boards tightly side by side is not a good idea either. You want air flowing both horizontally and vertically for maximum circulation.
Aren’t stickers supposed to be dry also?
I would definitely high-grade a few sticks, after each day of milling, and place them in your solar kiln to be sold later at a higher price.
That is our plan..Boss Man.
Well done. The beauty of self employment. You can work all the time and never get ahead, but the rewards are priceless. Keep it up guys it looks like lots of people out here are pulling for you.
Thanks Dave for the comment…Boss Man.
@@KenBreon My pleasure.
Emerald, those boards are so well sawn and laid close together, that it looked like a door or table top when you laid out the first for inventory. As the Boss man said, ya'll did a good job.
The lumber looks beautiful. Boss Man.
Emerald, you have come so far in relaxing more while making great footage of your operation. Thanks for sharing!
As a sawmill owner with a daughter on the way, these videos are beyond inspiring.
You are greatly blessed…Boss Man.
Hey, everyone and welcome back.... Her voice and intonation are like no other youtuber, and send tingly feelings in my ears. Emerald is truly a gem and seeing and hearing her really makes my day. I enjoy these videos as a whole even though I have nothing to do with the lumber business.
I hope my comment from yesterday (1/11/23) was not taken to imply red oak as inferior to white oak. It is not inferior, just not suited to wet invironments. At the price of hemlock or pine, I would choose red oak for an entire barn apart from the sills. The Boss is right and deserves credit for his progressive thinking. I envy the builders around Cogan Station to have such a resource.
Thanks Walter for the comment. It is appreciated…Boss Man.
Not unless your making a boat.open vs closed pore.
MY FRIEND THERE IS NO DIFFRENCE BETWEEN RED OAK AND WHITE OAK !!!!! EXCEPT THAT RED OAK HAS RED BUDS WHEN BLOOMING.... THE ONLY BAD OAK IS WATER OAK !!!
The main difference between the two is the open pores. This only matters in wet applications. I wouldn't build a boat from Red Oak unless it would be totally sealed
One reason that the old books didn't value Red Oaks as much as White Oak, was because high speed tooling wasn't around, and White Oak had many qualities that made it superior for most applications, but now, and for quite a long time, Red Oak has been used and appreciated.
In the old days, the closed cell structure of the White Oaks made it valuable for ship building and tight cooperage, or barrel making and pails.
It was a long time ago that Red Oak was considered inferior to White.
Some friends of mine have some giant northern Red Oaks that are probably 200 + years old, but not one large White Oak left.
Amazing! I was just wondering what Emerald was up to today!...and bingo!
Awesome content thanks for your time to do this video 📸
Wish you were closer I’d be sifting through those nice boards thinking of projects
I don't know how but your videos make hard day end good
I watch them for the same reason…Boss Man.
You talk like a caveman
Is it Spring yet!!! I'm tired of the cold and seeing you young ladies and the Boss Man out in the elements. Great to see the Boss Man in front of the camera. Love this video. :-)
So gratifying to see the process from log to lumber ❤👍🏼🇺🇸😊
Congratulations Ken! It is so nice to see one more of your dreams come to fruition!! I'm happy for you and the family!!
Love red oak. Thanks for the video.
High-density wood is perfect for trailer decking or around the farmyard. The exposed beauty of red oak has its place as an ornamental wood around fireplaces, entrances, and any featured wall.
Thanks Bossman and a thanks to your daughters as well.
Wish I had someone like y'all close
no kidding
Like your pricing policy as long as it makes you money. Your coustmers are going to love it
The pricing works for know, but log and lumber markets quickly change. This is our opportunity to get our foot in the door and gain an understanding of a new product…Boss Man.
My dad always used red oak for corral lumber and horses won't crib on oak usually - green oak on railroad tie posts. It would last 20 years or so. When he got older he liked it for making knickknacks, cabinets and shelves. Our red oak is dying due to disease, and most of our woods on the farm is black cherry, hickory and post oak.
It's sad, about this red oak wilt that's spreading.
I hope this all works great for y'all.
Great video Em. Smile.
Years ago, I saw an article in Woodshop News about cottonwood. Only commercial use for it was for horse stalls. What few pieces I have put on my lathe all smelled like some one threw up on them. Apparently when used in the horse stall, it tastes as bad as it smells, and the horses won't chew on it.
You might consider cutting some of the red oak planks to 5/4 thickness for woodworkers to be able to plane finish board to 1-inch thickness.
Thicker boards are kept separate from our rough cut inventory. Boss Man.
Better still, plane it down to a sensible (metric) dimension! 🤣
Congratulations and wishing you the best 🐝
Hi, I'm Pavel and I'm from Russia, you have a very amazing family, I'm glad that you do everything together, it's very important! I also help my parents. Take care of your hands, splinters do not spare anyone)
Congrats on the plan, years in the making, now happening Bossman! If you have excited customers that’s a great thing! 👍👍👍
I have a bedroom set made of Red Oak it makes beautiful furniture
Thank you Again, awesome video ya all, Emeralds Misty Mountian seems to be in need of some harvesting.
Wishing you much success.
Hope the experiment works on a grand level..n ..you can continue your growth in product line n operations!!!
Please stay safe n healthy!!??
👍🐺🧙♂️🦊👍!!!
Hi beautiful Emarlad and thank you for your videos
Wishing all of you great & continued success. You certainly deserve it with your class, aptitude, work-ethic & product.
Another great video Emerald and Jade Nice to see Ken here too with his plans for the log yard. Good luck in your future endeavors
if I was decking an old pickup bed or a trailer i would love to have that red oak vs poplar or hemlock or plywood even
Congratulations! That's a good idea for expanding the business. The stack of lumber is a good start. Keep working. Good luck! 👍
Nice work ladies. Love the Braid Jade!
I would love to see you take some quarter sawn red and white oak and air dry then kiln dry it for the wood workers and the price would reflect the extra work that goes into it. as it is something that is very hard to find.
Best of luck with the sales. and I hope you don't get caught in a shortage of supply!
Boy, that would be a nice problem..Boss Man.
You guys have it down on the camera work on that saw. The only thing that snaps me out of it is the charming voices. Nice!
Thanks!
Wow. Thank You…Boss Man.
We use red or white rough sawn true 1.5” boards in our catchpens for cattle because it’ll turn a bull and last generations in the weather. As long as you have timbers or utility poles behind them, they will hold. I once replaced a house floor with #2 red oak and another house with #3 white oak t/g 5/4” and the red was easier on the eye but the white was more dense. Our patch board inventory has gotten low as it’s been forty years since we worked a deal with a portable mill and operator, trading on halves. Good luck selling oak boards in your area, if there are wood working shops there they might want board thicknesses that they can plane down to cabinet and furniture thickness. Reno
Great exercise and beautiful work!
love the channel. sometime i would like to see a segment on basswood. love you guys,!!
Good to see the boss come on the scene and give a run down. Keep it rolling Ya-all.
Red Oak for a lot of years was known as the poor man's wood. It's making a comeback now in my area for indoor furniture. I keep several 100 brf ft of s4s premium kiln dried in stock now. 4/4, 5/4 and 12/4. Good luck with your new lumber project.
Boss man, it’s great seeing you more. You’re so knowledgeable, thanks
Thanks Rob. Have a good evening. Boss Man.
Nice - Emarald can you talk about the difference when actually milling the four types of wood you have here......other than the weight I think it will be a GREAT comparisson to talk about the milling of the different tyoes of wood based on categories like weight, amount of waste, time for a saw run, how the bark behaves during and after milling, what the sawdust is like, etc..... There you go - a hole new topic for a video :)
Good for you Boss man. Sounds like a good plan and will be worth the wait. Your customers will "try it and like it" I'm sure. Plus you have one heck of a good crew that put many a man to shame!
Thanks Mike for the great comment. Have a good evening. Boss Man.
Red Oak Cuts like Butter.
White Oak is a different story.
Bur, Red Oak has no rot resistance and White Oak does.
It is amazing how the creator has given us everything we need for each and every purpose.
Except the cure for cancer, which was also created by whom?
@@bushmaster2936 There are preventatives and cures for cancer already in nature but BIG PHARMA does not want you to know.
You girls are very good at what you do
Great video
I find these vids and your music selection comforting.
I noticed you need 2 people to make the handling easier compared to hemlock. As you said it was heavier.
I assume stickering allows better air flow between the layers?
wood getting wet due to rain is no problem as long as it can get dry afterwards. stickers indeed increase the airflow, what speeds up drying significantly. wood that cannot do that starts to rot and is lost.
I sure hope it works out for you. I buy my oak as rough cut then put through my jointer and planer for making my furniture. If craftsmen find out about this, you'll be busy! I'll have to calculate the cost of me bringing my trailer to you and your cost, vs my much higher cost here. Get the word out to woodworking guilds and small furniture makers in your county.
Thanks Gary for the vote of confidence…Boss Man.
Gary, what state are you in? There are plenty of sawyers in most states, and I'm sure you can find one close to you.
I'm in Kansas. I have saw mills around and use them, but the b/f cost for oak or walnut is at least double that of pine.
Anything near southern Indiana?
@@zachgoestoeuro I took a class once from a guy in southern Indiana. He professed it to be the vernier capitol of the US, so I'll bet there are several in the area. Might have to Google it, or ask around.
I have only watched your family for a little while I am from Canada 🍁 you guys are doing a great job lots of information on the different types of lumber I wish you the very best in all your endeavors I want to see a good future for the famiy
Glad you made it to your goal, Bossman! Congratulations to you!
Thank you…Boss Man.
Boss man's intro was seamless. I bet he is a TV presenter and not a woodsman 😂
Hello..... I watched some of your old videos from a year or so back. You guys are hilarious together. I love the one with Buck and Bo. I haven't seen Sammie in a while. Does she still help at the log yard or maybe at college? Love watching your videos and have learned so much about running a sawmill. My son runs a Wood Mizer 35 and a log splitter similar to the one you guys run. I can talk sawmill with him now..... I didn't know anything about sawmills until I started watching your videos. Thanks
All power to you. Wishing you the best success.
i like seeing that mill cut and how its semi automated. id like to find a good mill im my area that has kiln dried material to purchase for my wood projrcts, you all do a great job. thanks for sharing your wisdom
The weather is horrible for logging hoping for a good hard freeze for you. Tons of rain yuck.
That's awesome! I hope everything works out well!
Congrats on the prices of wood. I do hope u will sell all your wood planks and make good money for your company and for family. Father and daughters working together to make it happen. Can't ask for a Loving family that u have. Keep up the good work and remember. Keep pushing forward and love one and the other. God bless you all.
Awesome idea. Hope you can sustain this !!!
God Bless the mighty oak 👍🏻👍🏻🙏🏻❤️🐝
You've got a great opportunity to really expand your lumber business. I wish you and your entire family operation nothing but success!
Keep up the great work!
😎 Another awesome video....
I think your content is pretty damn good compared to 99% of others I see on CZcams.... what kind of laptop do y'all use to be edit your content. always look forward to your video drops.
Awesome video and i love the way u lay it all out so nicely and see to find, And hello to Boss man there
I remember back in the 90s when oak was the go to for cabinets and interior trim work. Seems like it kindof fell off the map lately. Cherry and others took over. Best of luck to ya, it will still sell!
Best of luck on your new adventures you have a AWESOME FAMILY 😊
I think I remember Emerald saying you had a few samples set up of boards with various surface treatments like your pine and hemlock... have you continued this plan with the poplar and red oak so people can see how it looks with a planed, stained or painted and rough vs sanded finish etc ? Maybe a job for your local carpenter / fixit Grandpa ?
Congrats to all for making the dream come true.
Working hard!Good luck with that new game plan.
The first thing I liked in this video is the Boss Man opened with a compliment for the product of the girls' hard work.
And he didn't say "Nice, but..."
lets get to the sawing😎
I hope I can come by and get some soon for the new barn at the new farm, at least a little to get started 👍🏼
Hi guys! Love your family!
LOVE the Bossman vids. He holds so much knowledge it's amazing! Keep Calm and Keep cutting. LOL!
Wish I was close enough to pick up some of the red oak, hope it works out for you guys.
How close are you to northern Wisconsin? I've got buttloads...
Ken,
Awesome new products , they will sell well even in the winter. wish I lived closer...
I’m a huge fan of red oak for firewood. Densest wood in my area. Makes we wonder why it’s not milled more often?? Maybe lack of supply? Or just too heavy to work with? Best of luck
That Red Oak looks amazing!
I’m about to jump knee deep into it. I’ve been planning the same kind of operation for a few years, in northern Michigan. So we will see how this goes. I milled white and red oak, walnut fireplace mantels back 5 years ago on my woodland stationary mill. Did good. But it’s time to step up my game🇺🇸
Yall should look into some cheap solar kilns.. takes about a month to dry but makes ya a lot more money..
congratulations on achieving your goals! I love red oak, craftsman furniture is some of the best IMHO. enjoying your videos.