The REAL Difference Between OAK Lumber
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- PLEASE EXPLAIN the difference between oak lumber? And the difference between quarter sawn and flat sawn? (See 4:26)
Okay. Let's do that!
Seriously folks, we get this question a lot. LIKE, A LOT. First of all, sorry about the confusion. Second, it even confounds us from time to time. But we're gonna fix that today.
Let's do this! This video walks you through the differences that would matter to a woodworker when you're choosing a wood for your project and you're just sick of hearing the word "OAK" and not knowing what the heck that means.
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_Fact Check: __3:14__ USS Constitution's hull is made of both white oak and live oak. While the ship's ability to take a pounding of cannonball fire isn't because of the white oak alone. Our point remains the same, though, that white oak is strong, durable, and a good choice for projects that will be exposed to water or when toughness is important to you. Thanks for your time._ 👍
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Live oak (Q. Virginiana) is so dense it sinks in water, its like cutting rock.
Live Oak comes from the Northern Gulf Coast. President Jefferson decreed that the area where it grows and the actual trees were essential for national security. There's a National Park that runs sporadically from Gulf Breeze FL to Mississippi, it's called the Gulf Shores National Park.
I've read that the armor cladding of the USS Constitution was made of live oak, which is where all the bouncing cannon balls came from. Perhaps the structure had a lot of white oak in it? I've seen pieces of live oak logs, where the grain was very rippled, that strong men were unable to plant a sharp ax into the end grain of it, no matter how hard we tried.
@@UFDionysus Watch the movie "Master and Commander at the Edge of the World" starring Russel Crowe. His nemesis, the Achereon is like the USS Constitution, DOUBLE-HULLED. The "dead space" between the hulls gives the USS Constitution it's enormous hull strength, just like modern reactive armor. Back to red and white oaks. White oak is harder, machines better, is denser, but as of 7/2020, about 20-25% higher than red oak. Red oak is competitively priced to birch, one of my favorite, but almost grainless (boring???) hardwoods. Pecan/hickory are white oak's big brothers. Both harder, denser, much harder to get wide planks in, and more expensive, but many will say the wood's beauty is worthwhile. The "Lexus" of oak is English old-growth White Oak, quarter sawn. I actually prefer the grain and machining of it to American Walnut. Go to French Burl Walnut (like my shotgun stock and forearm) and we've greatly upped the ante. Uhmm, I paid nearly as much for the stock/forearm as for the Remington 3200 over/under shotgun it's on...but gee, it's purty! Trivia: I'm not certain if it's true on the last US aircraft carriers, but up to the USS Ronald Regan
Great presentation. Great explanation. Did not waste the viewers time with insipid music, long intros, nor unnecessary filler.
The author does like to from scratch, czcams.com/users/postUgkxbnOKZBE4evMO5V2vroHeCjq6d_MV6wJO shaping and trimming wood from large blocks into fine finished products. As another reviewer mentioned, most projects require a lot of high-dollar equipment that most of us don’t have the room or budget for. But, knowing how to do these things, even if we won’t be able to practise the full stack project, is still great.
Interesting comment about 'Old Ironsides' the framing (ribs) were built of live oak, because the way it grows lends itself to making curved pieces of great strength.
The town of Live Oak Florida was originally established by the Federal Government as a lumber reserve for shipbuilding for that reason.
Live oak is considered a "white oak" species.
I really appreciate you getting right to the point without a lot of blather. Your info is exactly what I'm looking for and I don't have to scream in frustration while you discuss ... the weather. Thank you for being so concise!
Thanks WS, I had no idea what the difference was between quarter, straight and rift. Direct, to the point, and you provided samples, the way vids should be.
I’m 75 and have never heard this topic described simpler or better.
You are too kind, thank you!
Gary Fairbrother Sorry to hear that. About being 75. Lol
Daniel Holt XXL What a crap comment ! Sorry to hear you are ignorant ! Lol
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@@danielholtxxl4936 What a dick, you sure could use a god smack, I am sure one is coming.
You are the most helpful and concise wood nerd on youtube, thank you lol
Great succinct informative video. It’s noticeable and appreciated how you prepare what you’re going to say so you don’t stumble, ramble or leave out important bits. Wish more you tubers were as professional and conscientious as you. 🙏
White oak has rounded leaf tips. Red oak has sharp pointed leaf tips.
Yep!!!
Not always, look at water oak for example which is a red species.
Mark,..you are extremely well talented in explaining the subjects you cover. So much so, that I feel folks who want to know, and learn, have an excellent opportunity with what and how you present it. Even your sense of humor and light-heartedness intertwined with the detail and focus of the subject makes the videos much more enjoyable! Great job, sir!
Yooo small thing, but keeping the name of the wood you were speaking about for like a whole minute while you were talking about it to make sure we were able to follow along was a nice touch 👌🏼
Outstanding 6 minute presentation, all very useful information! Louis S.
The quality of comment section was why I subscribed...thanks for vid and those who taught me today!
This video is loaded with amazing information. Thank you for sharing
That is very helpful and informative. I'm always hesitant on going to the lumber yard but this gives me much needed tools.
Incredibly useful information! Thanks for putting this out.
You sir are my new favorite professor on this platform. Great explanation, today I'm a little bit wiser from your words and for that I thank you.
Thank you 👍🏼. You’re speaking my language car guy enjoying my saw mill! Great video
Love your channel and the way you explain things. Fantastic stuff. Learning alot.
Great talk! Thank you! Greetz from Belgium.
Thank you for such well presented information. Very enjoyable.
Hey Mark, always great information on your channel. I learn something new every time I listen to you!! 👍👍👍😎🇨🇱
Nice video, direct and well produced. I am liking and subscribing.
Thanks!
Great video. Straight to the point. Just how I like em. Subscribed!
The information is so great !! Love the way you explain everything !!
I enjoy learning from everyone as well. Have you discovered some of the other masters in woodworking?
Thank you man. I'm building a farm table top out of 100 year red oak right now and never knew these things about red or white. I like em both.
As a family of boat builders white oak is king. Especially when it comes to steaming and bending ribs and others requiring a single beam to bend. Good presentation, oh yea, it strengthens with age when damp or wet!
Awesome explanations! Thank you!
thanks...I've been educated regarding OAK! Next project will be adjusted!
Another great educational video, thank you Mark!
Thank you!
I am constantly looking for videos where I can gain the maximum amount of knowledge and information, in the least amount of time. This video embodies that goal. Thank you so much.
The City Official happy to deliver one puzzle piece in your quest 🤘🤘
Being in the far North of NH we have both red and white oak. I will tell you there is a difference in the acorns or oak nuts. Now, the red oak nuts are hard and dense great for deer with 4 chambers in the stomach. Now, the white nuts are nice. Boil them for 45 minutes, cool and peel. A savory sweet treat inside oh so good. Greetings from NH. Live, freeze and Die.
Nice balance between technical and practical information. Well done my dude.
Ohhh God my head hurts ...lol your a freaking geny when it comes to Oaks woods in general...love it...thankx
Today I learn something Thanks a lot sir. Big thanks from Portugal
Very informative video! Thanks for making it.
love your videos
To the point, and very educational.
thanks.
I used to work for a farmer throughout high school and he had me doing fencing in a swampy area of the cow pasture. The were many split white oak posts that had been there for decades and they showed no sign of rotting despite being in an extremely wet environment. The red oak didn’t do nearly as well.
Red Oak is not good for anything outside in a wet environment. White oak is. The best wood for fence posts is Locust. It is rock hard and lasts for decades. Vikings also used white oak for ship building. Red Oaks often rot from the inside of the heart wood, leaving a living tree hollow inside. White oaks are less likely to rot this way, so usually live longer. A white oak in my yard lived to be 115 yro. It was not rotten inside. It just died. I miss that tree.
Cool video, man. Glad I found this channel. I definitely learned a few things. I think I like the quarter sawn look. It's got a lot of character to it.
You should have 100K subs. Very good video, and thanks for not making it 30 min long! Keep it up brother!
Haha, you're awesome thanks for recognizing our effort to keep 'em short and to the point.
I’ve asked this question before and only got vague smart alec answers; thank you.
Very good explanations and pictures.
Very interesting and informative video. Thank you👍
If only you had a store in the UK. I am mainly a woodcarver, ex turner, and so I chose stores that catered for people like me. But to see the stock laid out on the racks like that it just mouth watering. Whilst visiting a pal in Calgary one time he took me to a timber store just like the one in your video, and the stock they had was similar to yours. Imagine my frustration at not being able to buy. Thanks though, great and informative video.
Very informative thank you!
Love this. Well done. Very informative.
One kick butt video!!! Thank you.
Sorry it took me so long to see this.............nicely done. I thought I knew something about oak...Ohio. Tons of it. I learned alot! Thanks!
Look at me, learning about wood. Thanks for the video.
Great info, thanks!
Thank you for a very informative video on Oak...I learned a lot
Excellent short and to the point summary.
This was a great video! Thanks Mark.
Awesome video! Very informative.
Very nice. I'm in St. John's az. Can't wait till I can trip d ok wn to the valley. Exciting stuff
So informative. New subscriber. Thanks!
Great job. I'm surprised you didn't explain the porous properties of Red Oak. I'm a new subscriber and looking forward to your other videos.
I'll join Gary below "I'm 78" and think this was a very simple yet accurate informative explanation of the two oaks. Thanks for using the "Kiss" technique, it makes life so much easier, than trying to prove how smart you are. and above all thanks for sharing.
I always going thru the stacks looking for rip sawn lumber. Just love the character.
Great video... very informative.👍🏼
Wow very informative and fun thank you for an excellent video!
Love the video Mark, great explanation, clear presentation, and your a character. I mean that in a nice way. : )
Very educational. Thanks.
Building a table from oak slabs from a friends mill he got from someone East of here.....Quite a ways East actually. Now Have to look closer at the wood to see what we are working with. Where we live our wood choices in the timber are Doug Fir and Lodgepole pine. Thanks for the information!
Interesting fact about oak lumber and presumably any lumber for that matter): the more spacing between each ring indicates faster growth and that also makes it slightly weaker than lumber with closer ring spacing. Where i studied for my forestry degree in southern illinois the soil conditions were great for fast growth but this translated to slightly weaker lumber. In the rocky and rugged soils of the Missouri Ozarks the growth is very slow but also makes very sturdy oak lumber.
Excellent video. Very informative. Keep up the good work. :)
Great video with a well thought out explanation of the differences between red and white oak. I would just add that white oak is used for making water tight barrels. White oak, like other light color hardwoods such as maple, demands that a woodworker makes sure his power tool blades are super sharp to work on white oak to avoid burn marks, especially on the joints.
Sir! I really like your channel...
Keep posting 🙋
This was great, thank you!
Very helpful, thanks.
excellent content! Thanks I have lots of red oak on my land and great to hear it explained vs white oak
A lot of great information. Presented well and interestingly. One thing I think could have added to it would be an illustration of an actual log and the various types of cuts through the log.
Excellent and informative!
Love the detail…thank you!
Glad you like it!
Great info.
Great info. Yhanks
Thanks brother! Very cool, worth a sub
This was a great video. I’ve only been woodworking about 2 years, and I knew a few of the differences between the two but not in this much detail. And I didn’t know about the different sawing techniques. I love these lumber learning videos.
Just wait until you find woodworkingwithron and your head will blow up with knowledge. Or Paul Sellers or...
informative vid mate! cheers
Well and efficiently explained. Thumbs up!
Rift sawn white oak!! Love it! Thanks for the info.
Both make terrific firewood.
Great videos to watch, very helpful to new woodworkers. Fyi i have been aboard ol iron sides. Shes beautiful, and worth the trip to Boston.
Thanks for the explanation. I've had occasion to cut oak installed 200+ yrs. ago. The smell tells me it's oak without a doubt. It's a very distinctive smell, not unpleasant, not perfume.
'so this ship built of white oak deflected canon fire. . . . so why would you choose white oak?'. . . . do we really need any more qualities besides deflects canon fire?
This is a primary characteristic in my house, cannon-fire at meal times
USS Constitution's hull had two layers of white oak planking which sandwiched a center layer (running perpendicular) of southern live oak. It was the live oak layer (a type of red oak) which repelled the cannon fire. Other ships of the time had only hulls double planked with two layers of white oak and were readily damaged by cannon fire.
@@JGW845 So it was like plywood !
Smartypants for the win!
Sunliner Vet an early version of Armor Proofed Plywood?
Great job Mark, I couldn't have said it better!
It is helpful to think of wood grain as a stack of straws or tubes. In red oak the tubes are small enough to break the surface tension of water & move the water through capillary action. White oak, these tubes are segmented. These segments block the migration of water through the tube. White oak was the common wood for garage doors or other outdoor moments 100 years ago plus. These segmented tubes also make white oak a touch harder.
Thank you for clearing that up!
I like white oak better than red oak.
This was super helpful
Very informative video
Thank you - I learned a lot about the wood grains from the red/white oaks.
Excellent explanation about red & white oak!
Good information thank you
Awesome video thanks Mark
Glad you enjoyed it thank you
Mark loved this video. Great info and your sense of humor is right up my alley. Great job brother
awesome thank you much!
Absolutely the best explanation of board types and how they’re sawn. Great analogies!
Very interesting and thanks , my whole kitchen is built out of Quarter Sawn oak , I love the flake or tiger stripe in the wood !
Very well done. I am now subscribed.
I am a big fan of quarter sawn white oak and unless I missed it, you did not mention the most important plus to quarter sawn white oak. That is how stable it is in humidity changes, good article. Thanks for sharing