4 Methods for Running Long HDMIs to your Projector or TV
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- I fried 3 receivers because of the 30 foot HDMI cable from my receiver to my projector. Learn exactly why this happens and see 4 ways to run longer HDMI cables without damaging your equipment.
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UPDATE: Many commenters are suggesting that the HDMI cable was never the problem, which doesn't explain the three fried receivers, but I have changed the title and thumbnail to reflect the fact that this video shares 4 methods for running A/V over long distances. I still hope this helps others to not have the issues I have had.
What about sdi and converters?
Sure, but the video still contains incorrect information. Maybe you could edit it out since you have a lot of subscribers. You could save them a lot of trouble by being more factually correct.
all things aside: Ethernet convertors induce other problems... Your HDMI signal gets 2 conversions which can lead up to 6 frames delay between video en audio depending on the quality of those boxes... Thats a lot... so unless you can delay your audio...these convertors should be used for digital signage solutions or presentation solutions not for watching films in the best possible quality.
@@defectivehamster8778 good solution, but cost more than 200 $ to do this properly..
Why would he use optical, doesn’t it only do stereo, he would be missing out on surround sound in his home theatre completely?
Great video and cleared up some questions I had and also gave me additional options to consider.
As a side note, I use braided mason's line/string when pulling wire through conduit (if not using a fish tape). It's cheap and strong. Tie a sandwich bag to the end and stick in conduit. Put the hose from a shop vac in the other end of the conduit and it'll be there in a second or two max. Works great and is extremely fast. I've gone a couple hundred feet using it.
I've had a similar issue in the past with fried components through HDMI. But from my experiences it was not the length of the HDMI or the HDMI connection its self that was the issue. What had happened in my case was a voltage spike through the ethernet cable connecting my receiver to my router that came through my coax modem which at the time was unprotected. Needless to say the whole experience was unpleasant, and left me with a dead projector and receiver. I found your video to be helpful and insightful to the various types of methods for running HDMI video signal over long distances.
Hey man, love the videos. Very informative. I've been a TV contractor for many years, I've never had this issue, specifically 25 ft or so but many times AVRs hdmi get blasted back in to cabinets like that and bend the hdmi out port on AVRs. That happens all the time to customers but never heard this. But I dont doubt it, and interesting info. In 2015-18 hdmi over ethernet was trending, starting to level off with so much wifi vs cat6 lines.
Nice video, I wasn’t aware that there were so many options. I use the optical HDMI cable myself. I did have one HDMI input burn out due to my cable box(at least this is what Marantz said the problem was especially with Comcast) which was a long run as well. I went with the optical cable from my receiver to my tv and projector because it was a long run and I noticed that my Apple TV would give me an error message every time I tried to set it up to produce Dolby vision. The message said something about connection capability and all my cables were supposed to be 4K and HDR compatible. After switching the cable , no more problems and all images improved.
I’ve worked with this technology for a while now! I absolutely love HDMI over Cat5e/6/7!
Anthony, question. i did that with the HDMi over Ethernet (running from by IT Rack "Receiver" to my "Projector" about 50 ft, the colors are washed when using the HDMI over Ethernet. Had you overcome that with your setup?
Just want to say thank you, your video has helped me get back on track. The CAT 6 w the hdmi worked perfect to me, especially the distance I had to travel from receiver to projector. Thanks again
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing your success story and I'm so glad it worked out.
Even in the middle of the video, I can see that you did a very good research. Thumb up for you man.
ALL of Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Surf City, CA
I am a member of a Home Theater group about 5k members. I wrote a post about the problem you were having. No one has vet gad this happen to them . Some are running 75’ to 125’ HDMI cables. That doesn’t necessarily mean it can’t happen but you would think with all those people someone would encounter it. Good luck and hope you have a fix.
Great video! And cool project. Thank you so much for taking the time to produce it.
I already got a 50ft passive HDMI cable (Amazon Basics ) and it is amazing. I considered the wireless option, but was afraid of the speed. the value i got for the money was optimum. Thank you for the other options and comparing the 4 options, that is quite neat and informative
This was helpful in my decision on what to do for 30 and 50ft runs of cable to my TVs from my network rack. Thanks!
4K hdr is a very tricky thing. If you are trying to run anything to one location that is over 25-30 feet it’s hard to choose between cable hdmi or extenders. My extenders are a crap shoot with my av rev. It works when it wants to and doesn’t when it feels like. Just keep playing around until u find the best fit for u.
Just subscribed. Appreciate the options you mentioned for long runs.
Hey Nils! Happy to help, yes you can see the red optical light come out of the ends. :)
Seriously? I got it wrong. I watched a bunch of videos where showing it connected to a receiver or blu-ray but it looked like there was no light. Very cool that it's actually there! And again, thanks for saving the day, Seth.
Excellent explanation, wiring my basement now BBC and this was exactly what I was looking for!
i cant thank you enough for your explanation. i have spent a lot of $$$ on cables and joiners and endless headache as i always thought that my receiver is the culprit. i just couldnt accept that my flagship receiver kept dropping the signal over 30+ metres cables... i even got a replacement hdmi board for the receiver and it was still the same... until i came across your video and realised that ces spec cable length is only about 5m...
Great video, I too like the Ethernet option. I REALLY wish when I did my setup when building the house I put 2" conduit to certain rooms, PITA now of course,
Thank you! This video saved my Christmas. Had an active 15m hdmi cabel and had connect it wrong. A shift then there was signal! Halleluja ❤ Have a Merry Christmas and a fantastic new year 🙏⭐🎅
Wish I had found this months ago. Have a 50’ hdmi run from closet to tv and it kept killing the cable box (plugged a small tv in with different cord and still didn’t work). Also could only get 1080 signal. Went through three boxes over two years, finally switched over and 4K works now as a bonus.
great vid! helped me a lot setting up my church video system. thanks!!
thank you for all the great information, well appreciated !!! I have another idea that may work also with out all the cables & that would be to connect one of my JOEYS from dish network to the projector, I know, not everyone has JOEYS but your info is just great as I may not always have that option. Thanks again.
A very talented presenter. So clear in your explanations
Thank you! Very kind of you to leave that comment.
The lighting in your home is incredible it looks like a show room
Thanks! When I finished the basement, I installed can lights every few feet. Some folks thought it was way overkill but it's all on dimmers and the basement doesn't feel so "basement-y" :)
Fiber optic and/or HDBaseT are recommended extensions if there is any uncertainty about if there are different grounds/phases. Plan HDMI cables and SDI coax may be dangerous if there are different phase or ground at the output. (Perhaps the roof installation is running on the lamps power circuit, so there is different power up there).
Great video, I too like the Ethernet option. Thanks
Thanks man, this has stumped me! Active one the way from Amazon.
OMG.... finally an answer to what has happened to my two Denon av receivers! I’ve been searching for a video like this on and off for almost two years and I find it while searching for hdmi switches as a work around. You just got a new subscriber. THANK YOU!!!
Play burn down a Marantz and two different Denon receivers and now a Sony 30 inch monitor playing with this idiotic badly designed interface system I’m going back to Stereo
This was a good video. I appreciate this kind of info. I don't work with AV much, but I do work with network equipment daily. The one thing I would be weary about is that media converters are usually the first point of failure in a system when things stop working. Seeing asbhow you chose a media converter for your setup you may want to get a backup media converter or prep yourself to buy an upgraded media converter in the next year or so. The optical HDMI probably would have been my choice since you only need 1 cable in this situation.
That's exactly what l thought HDMI Optical would of been easier
Thanks for the home work done!
Thanks! Great input.
Thank you so much! Glad i watched your video
When we were building our house 5 years ago I tried to get someone in to set up all the rooms so that all the sources were in one location. When I contacted my local tech guys it the cost would have started at $5k just to run the cable. That wasn't in the budget. In the short amount of time I had to figure it and the tech that was available to me at the time I decided to run coax, cat5 and HDMI to cover all the bases at 20% the cost of the tech guys. Four rooms have 100ft runs, one has 50ft. :-/ Five years later, still going strong on the HDMI. The only thing that burned out so far was the original HDMI switch which I upgraded when I swapped it out. I wish I had discovered your option #4 back then, it would have saved time, effort and the stress of the HDMI getting stolen or having a screw pierce it during the house build. It also would have eliminated the need for extra lines for the infrared repeaters.
That's a long way to say that I never had a problem with my HDMI at 100ft but appreciate your video and learning about option #4 (8:15) if I need it in the future.
Thanks. Great information.
This info is gold. Thank you!
Great video about options for extension of HDMI. This solution will clearly work and for people wanting to send 4K video I am told it is a good solution. However, your problem was not getting the video signal to run over the cable, it was getting the driver to last. Why not use one of your splitters to drive the cable directly? Then it it burns out you are out $15. Or get an amplifier if you can find one.
The option I just used was to put my Chromecast right at the projector with an audio extractor inline. Then I ran the audio back to the amp over SPDIF-coax. You could have put your Apple TV at the projector and run the audio back.
And I imagine your audio and video become out of sync?
@@d.cannaboom9769 I have not noticed any delay in the audio. We have used this for months.
Great video! I've got some long runs in my house and have had the best luck using HDMI over ethernet as well... Keep up the great content!
Just my own personal experience on this issue. I damaged two hdmi boards on two different Sony AVR receivers (never anything Sony again) with long 50ft. hdmi cable runs. I did use the top gauge hdmi cables I could get from Monoprice at the time of the installation in 2009. I did as much research as I could on this issue, then I switched the layout the media center room around (very low WAF) and finally moved the 65" Panasonic plasma display closer to the media center switched to a Denon AVR in 2013 with max hdmi cable length of 12ft. No problems at all for the last 5 years.
Great video!!! Very informative!!
For those saying a hdmi cable won't fry an AV receiver or projector, you don't know what you are saying. Yes the cable itself won't, but the impact of the projector recieving the 5v single will as the signal continuously drops so the equipment cycles and continuosly looks for the signal. In time the internals short. I too have gone through 2 recieverss and a projector due to using a 10 meter (32 ft) hdmi cable. Changed to a 5 meter and all fine with no picture spiking
nice video. im impressed you do this on your own. i wouldve thought all those royalty checks from NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP would find you hiring an install team.
Very helpful. I never knew about these options until I watched (and subscribed) your post
Thanks buddy you solved my issue
I recommended your video on my Facebook page
doing the same. Tried the passive (ethernet) version as well but the active version is jsut working way better.
Hi Thanks brother I think I am going to do that good job all the way from South Africa thanks again.
Hi, great video! I was wondering, you stated, and i know that active hdmi is a 1 way direction cable. At the connectors of the optical hdmi there is also printed input and output, does this automatically mean that optical hdmi is not bi directional?
Thank you. Excellent presentation.
This is one of the best videos I have watched to help me set up my home theatre. Thank you!
Big thanks for clearing my doubts
Sir, thanks for sharing the technique to swap HDMI lines. Now, I can upgrade the existing HDMI to 4k HDMI.
Very well composed and great video! Thanks for sharing. Fyi, I am pretty sure it wasn't your cables that burned out your receiver.
Awesome selection, I've been using HDMI over Ethernet for a while, I'd always recommend going with Cat6 or 6a at a minimum also do two shots between the devices. Good to have a backup, or some require two runs of Ethernet.
Something i overlooked when buying 4k projector was the cables. I use a standard 2.0 50ft cable now and my 1080p was flawless once i hooked 4k up i had color artifacts, text not clean, and colors were off. direct hooked a 6ft to my apple tv box all problems fixed so opted for the ethernet boxes suppose to arrive tomorrow, here's hoping for the best. Thanks for the help.
I am your subscriber , thank you for sharing your experience
Incredibly helpful!🎉
Small update for anyone watching in 2022:
Fiber optic HDMI is the only way for HDMI 2.1
HDMI 2.1 uses 48gbps which no Ethernet cable can accomplish (probably never will). The tech caps out around 10gbps.
HDMI 2.1 is needed for 4k120hz and 8k.
this does not make electronic sense. the amp is not a fuse, it will output a voltage that will propagate out the wire.
If the wire is long, that means the signal at the other end will not be as strong as the source due to resistance in the wire. The higher the resistance, the receiver will reduce its output, not increase it.
I have been running hundreds of projectors in halls all over Ontario and all have at least 100 feet cable.. the oldest is now hitting 15 years. I would say your problem is not the length of your cable, but a short in your projector input.
Sorry but that is 45 years of Electronic Tech Experience saying your wrong.
Sam, add 'Heat Shrink' to the list please.
scamin sam He is just trying to sell his Snake Oil! Idiot!
Thats not how that works.
Long cables can cause a voltage drop which increases current draw. This puts stress on the ampifiers output and will cause damage over time.
You are wrong, resistance can overload a power source and it drops in voltage which stresses components inside the receiver. You need to go back to school. Next, you will tell me it is fine to send 30 amps down a 18 AWG wire for 500 feet or something insane.
Just a tech though. I have worked in manufacturing and engineering and know you are focused incorrectly. It like when you inspect a house. I can always tell what the GC did versus an electrician or plumber. The GC's are always short cutting, breaking code and generally F'g up. Unless you can explain a Zener diode's specificity without googling it then shut up!
Great video! I had a problem where my projector image was cycling off and on and after watching this realized my hdmi cable could be the problem. I hooked up a shorter cable from a different source and the projector was fine, i'm still deciding which option to use but you potentially saved me from frying my reciever. Thanks
I am having a similar issue. My old receivers would work just fine on a 50'+ high quality HMDI but when I went to upgrade to a new receiver, I would get intermittent black screens and sometimes loose audio as well. The first new received completely stopped working within minutes of installing it the equipment rack. The new replacement would at least work sometimes but immediately started going to black screen. Finally, the 3rd new Integra receiver was doing the same thing - [but when I put my 8 year old Integra back in the system, it would work fine] and numerous tech calls - I finally reached a tech support manager that informed me the new HDMI standards are only made to run 15' max and this was the cause of my issues & why the old receiver would work.
As a retired AV tech/designer/owner, I had no idea the new protocol was like this. Switching to CAT Baluns has solved the issue completely.
Unlike some of the haters below, I think he's on the right track and not trying to scam anyone into buying an item that he'd maybe make a $1 on...
HDMI output levels are quite low and the electrical components used in that section of the receiver are also fairly sensitive.
I have a 40M HDMI cable and all I did was power inject with a 5$ HDMI splitter in 4K. I see you do go over it in the vid but not enough considering how cheap it is. love your vids.
Use the HDMI cable with redmere tech built in; works great. Anything longer than 35ft, use a fiber HDMI and I recommend the RUIPRO brand, works great.
Awesome mate, i didnt know for all those option that you’ve explained, and i agree with you - that 4. option is great and i will use it also in my case. Cheers!
Thanks for the video. Any idea if I could use this with an older receiver that doesn't have an HDMI input I'm not sure if that is what you meant in your "options"? I know that there are some adapters out there but from what I understand they are limited to 1180. Also how were you getting audio out of your receiver?
I chose the HDMI over Cat6
Excellent explenation
I dont know how i got to this video, im drunk and dont need hdmi help, yet i am watching this
Very useful information
Huge Thanks!! Really glad I'm doing my homework and found your vid. Subscribed. I am doing a Security Camera System update and the Monitor is now to be in another room about 50+ feet away. The new NVR is a much more expensive unit this time.
many thanks for this very good sharing
Thanks for a great video! I wish I had seen it before I went wireless HDMI. I have two iogear wireless HDMI transmitter / receiver pairs, and they're both worthless now -- working intermittently and generally making it really frustrating to watch or play anything. I would definitely NOT suggest going this route, and especially NOT with iogear. I contacted them and they basically said 'buy a new one' which was obviously not what I wanted to hear after almost $500 in investment just a few years ago. I decided to try active HDMI 30 ft cables from Monoprice, and I'm going to run it through the wall. Wish me luck!
Maybe a tad off topic but optical hdmi sounds amazing... But what about lag... And usb... I'm thinking about virtual reality headsets, where latency is of utmost importance. Thanks for the video. Certainly getting a thumbs up. I use a repeater with mixed results.
Very Cool!!!
Guys, I don't know how you could listen to him with that STATIC SOUND IN THE BACKGROUND!!!
never had a problem ! been running long HDMI cables for 50 years now
your idiot HDMI hasnt not been around for 50 years lol
Lol
You keep mentioning Ethernet on your video as though it is interchangeable with cat5/6/7, they aren’t the same thing! Ethernet is a networking protocol that can run on cat5 cabling but cat5 cabling doesn’t exclusively carry Ethernet. This may cause confusion with ethernet(network) switches with people thinking they will work to route/duplicate the signal but they won’t in most cases- not hours anyway as you recommend hdbaset protocol which is fine! But different...
The cable is called ‘twisted pair’ and cat5/6 etc are the standards for the cable based on the internal makeup, thickness twists etc
Hope this helps avoid confusion!!
Good clip 👍
What do you recommend for two TVs connected to one cable box/source?
Thanks for the video... I've been dealing with some audio issues (over HDMI) with a pair of Onkyo receivers (which notoriously had HDMI handshake issues). Thought the HDMI cable length (25 feet) might have been the issue, but none of the things I tried worked. What brands were the receivers you tried?
Since I'm on the topic... wireless HDMI is garbage (at the sub $250 price range that I chose to spend). Interference issues, cutting out, bad picture, you name it. I returned the item before I even had it a full 30 days. Gotta love amazon.
After several different brands of wireless hdmi, 2 RMA's to Onkyo on the receivers, and more headaches than any one issue is worth, I decided since I was going to have to spend a decent amount of money anyways I might as well try a mid-level Denon receiver.... low and behold I haven't had any issue since!
I would like to specifically say thanks for the info about OPTICAL HDMI. I didn't even know that existed... more research is needed (by me) for sure!!! Thumbs up.
just curious, did you ever solve the problem with the Onkyo receiver or just settle for the Denon. I am having the same problem, it works for a monitor on a short run but not for the projector on about a 25 ft, i also have an HDMI switch inline to choose between the monitor or projector. I was going to opt for an active HDMI cable, my reciever was purchased refurbished so I don't have the option to return it.
Cool thanks HDMI over Ethernet
Thanks!
Do you use an HDMI hub to connect your gaming system the same way?
We have YMMV problems with active HDMI cable. Definitely problems specific to different HDMI out ports. It works great with some computers, somewhat with some, and not at all with some computers. So I have ordered a powered fiber HDMI cable, you can add additional power from USB if your computers HDMI port is too weak to power the fiber transmitter.
HDMI over Ethernet is a great solution.
Yeah, it was designed from the beginning to handle higher signal strengths then HDMI, which made PPOE, etc. much easy to adopt into it.
I feel like your video helped me dodge a bullet. I was simply curious about options other than long hdmi even though I had managed to snag a $20 50 foot cable on a huge discount btu it would have been passive. It was going to run from my expensive pc gpu to a tv across the room until I saw your video. So when you talked about your 3 fried receivers I immediately canceled the order. Instead I looked around on amazon and thanks lightning striking twice for huge discounts I just found a 50 foot optical hdmi cable with loads of good reviews for only $23 and $5 shipping
What is the actual length of your video cable run? As commented by others, I strongly suspect that the cable distance was probably not the cause of the video output card failure.
FYI, the Plug is the male end (not "head" or "jack") and the female end is the socket ("jack"). Or you could just say cable "end"
Great video. Well done. A lots info. Greatings from México.
how long were your cable(s)/ that fried the receivers? I'm using 10m/33ft and starting to worry if its too 'long'
I have been running a 10m (30ft) cable on the same Yamaha receiver for the last 5 years and never had an issue. Your projector might be the problem.
Me too, but mine is one year younger that yours.
I do use cat6 hdmi to switch a receiver between basement projector and outdoor tv. Every tv in my house seems to have 25+ feet to receiver. I’d love a 8x8 hdbaset but they are 2k
Hi, i need to extend hdmi signal from hdmi splitter (after set top box) to my TV (approx 25m)... please advise whether to use long hdmi cable (since using splitter) OR just long cat5e cable with rj45-hdmi converter at both end.
HDMI through SDI converters we use it at our church works flawlessly. Power at each end one BNC coax cable in between.
I use these to, but they won't work with HDCP (content protection on Blu Ray etc) souce material. Great for camcorders though.
I think to agree with this video because two of my AV receiver HDMI board died as I am using 15 meters HDMI cable to connect to the projector.
As a pro installer this is my experience..
Your cable most likely did not damage your receiver. Here are my basic guidelines, I use Yamaha receivers with high quality HDMI cables up to about 40', after that distance I go HDbaseT, I have countless systems out there working perfectly. I have encountered systems installed by others that have HDMI runs over 50' working fine. I have also seen freezing and glitching at longer distances which is why I don't risk it. Cheers and good luck.
What do you think was damaging the receivers?
@@RexyFan not sure tbh, but I can tell you HDMI is VERY fragile, it only runs at 5v...you can easily induce a higher voltage into the circuit several ways thus causing damage. I just shipped out a Yamaha Aventage for repair under warranty due to no HDMI video out...peace
@@poserwanabe is the optical hdmi can run smoothly even if it is 50m? I need your help :> pls
@@davepontillas5275 no I wouldn't go that distance, it might work yes but I would use baluns because they will GUARANTEED work 👍 peace
I do custom installation for 10+ years and have never had this problem
How does any of these handle HDCP protocols?? I don't have a long cable run, but for the PS3, PS4, & cable box comes up with a HDCP error or for the PS4 it doesn't boot when turned on (just a white light not the blue ... but change out the cable for a short one and it boots and shows on the screen with no issues)
@@john_thorpe i have had good results with a aurum branded cables sold on ebay for cheap. Some cables are just too cheap or use really thin wires even with hdr technology this are good also there are now several hdmi versions as of now 2.1 is the latest
See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
For more info.
@@john_thorpe Pass-through
Have a 100ft cable and really want 1-50ft. And 2-25ft.
Can I splice these down?
Me neither I think he made this to promote something
How do you get the cable through the conduit the first time?
I have a uverse box that I have a 100ft hdmi to and it's been running great for 12 years nothing has happened and the pic looks great to
on what resolution and fps ?
idk how i got on this one vid. but i went through similar at a house i lived at. i ended up spending 100$ on a 50ft hdmi cable and it def fixed the problems i was having like you. frying recivers and other cables. couldnt have the pc at time near the tv but now i have a machine next to tv to use for different media options and only using a 5ft cable lol. BUT i still have that hdmi cable and gonna use it again soon. BUT i talked with a few GPU companies for video cards and many of them said max of 10ft cable on their video cards. but asus said their equipment should work fine at 30ft on a decent cable but anything longer then said use a high quality cable. but its cause of voltage drop. over that distance it loses voltage. so when you have the distance the send side pushes harder then needs and if you dont keep it cool its gonna fry for sure.
but i been using a no name 1gb video card that some how worked fine with win 10 also lol. but i figured ill use it until it fry the video card. that was 10 yrs ago. that stupid card still works flawless today lol. shrugs. i paid 30$ new at best buy for this card and its been great since. a gigbyte 1gb low profile gpu. but whats cool about this card is that it works fine in most all games still today. BUT its drivers do run in win 7 mode. and yes it stops at dx11. but it was a dx10 card. so idk if its actually running the dx11 architecture. thats area i starts to get lil stumped cause i have some old HIS hd 5750 cards. dx11 run on win 7 8 and 10. it is a card that just dont make sense why it works so well also like that low profile card.
but moral of all that story is this. seems video cards do better then other receivers. i think cause the fan and air circulation. as most gpu monitor temps and kick up fan speed or throttles the processor on the gpu so it cools down. but what im getting at is if you can use a older pc and make it into a media tower and use that instead of your 1000$ home ent system. if you have to install a console system 50ft from the tv then you have one huge tv lol.
i have a gaming pc and a smart tv but my smart tv is a little far away from my pc. Would bluetooth work best for connectivity?. mind that both are in separate rooms
My local audio company tried to sell me a $1500 hdmi cable. A $3500 outdoor hdtv. I laughed and walked out. I can buy 8 decent televisions and seal them if it lasts one year i can toss it buy a new one. I need a much longer run. Thanks for making this video. I'm still looking at my options.
I have a Yamaha receiver with multiple HDMI input and a single output. My projector is approx. 20ft away and will not handshake. Can I use the ethernet extender on the output side of the receiver and still maintain the switching ability between inputs?
I have a 10m HDMI cable and it fried 2 out of the 3 ports on my HDMI switcher. Not sure if it is because its a cheap switcher or cheap cable or just what happens over long HDMI cables.